Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26233810-20150109184716/@comment-3560963-20150202165344

Moonrabbit1 wrote: Dinoboygreen wrote: Opal4Life wrote: Moonrabbit1 wrote: Dinoboygreen wrote: Moonrabbit1 wrote: Dinoboygreen wrote: Moonrabbit1 wrote: Dinoboygreen wrote: Moonrabbit1 wrote: Dinoboygreen wrote: Moonrabbit1 wrote: Dinoboygreen wrote: Moonrabbit1 wrote: Dinoboygreen wrote: Oi... Again with this?! This one's even less credible than the last time I saw this bull!

First off, I think you should rewatch a few of the episodes, because brother, you're WAY off with the implications on the Crystal Gems and their motives in protecting Earth. They make it clear that they care deeply for its life and nature, most notably with the late Rose Quartz. It's also made clear (albeit through implications) that Earth was once a battleground for other Gems; most likely over resources. The Crystal Gems are merely trying to protect the Earth from another war, which'd explain their dislike of the idea of more Gems returning to the Warp Pads. Implying that they're fugitives? In Peridot's eyes, perhaps, but it's better to be a fugitive in the eyes of warmongers than a group of monsters to Earth's inhabitants!

And once again, I must reiterate that because of the aforementioned above, this is WAY out of character for virtually every main character in the show! Seriously, under what half-baked circumstance would this go through with ANY of the Crystal Gems?!

Also, really? You're going to test your theory on Five Nights at Freddy's? I understand gaining an idea on implications, but using something that's completely different than the show at hand? That's just desperation.

Speaking of desperate things, you're seriously going to believe Ronaldo? The guy that's the CN equivalent of a young, conspiracy spewing crackpot?! Pal, you REALLY need to check your facts!

But before everyone calls me a hypocrite, I have my own theory on the matter:

'''Several thousands of years ago, back when Gems used to colonize the Earth, a violent war broke out for control of the Earth; most likely lead in the charge by Peridot and Lapis if the murals in Serious Steven are of any indication. The only ones who could stand up to them were the Crystal Gems; Rose Quartz, Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl. All four fought valiantly and in the end won the war, and now must protect the Earth so that another war doesn't break out.''' I agree with somethings but I do think what Ronaldo said had some great deal of hints. I thought the others used the fact that Ronaldo was a conspiracist to lay a giant c clue so that it would kinda be hidden in sights making it obvious but not at the same time. What hints?! They make it perfectly clear that the shmuck's flipped his lid. Hell, the first time he sees Amethyst's crater, he thought it was the work of SNAKE PEOPLE! I think that makes one lose one's credibility! The only reason he came to the conclusion of "The Great Diamond Authority" was because of Peedee; and even then that was so Ronaldo wouldn't be depressed in the duration of his life. thats my point. the writters could have used that as an advantage to state the facts but not as obvious as I had state. sentient rocks? shape into anything? Diamond Authority? Hollowing out the earth?(which could be a reason to have war *cough* *cough*). sounds like gems to me I mean sentient rocks are what they are from and they shapshift into things. Even though Pete had to show him to make him happier he probally also used the fact of the gems and steven to form his new theory. He was probally right and we will see so. But I think the Crystal Gems are good not the bad guys. Pure coincidence! Besides, for all we know, Ronaldo was just doing his usual spitballing of the facts. Again, SNAKE PEOPLE! Why should I under any circumstances take his drivel seriously? Plus, even if he, by some bizarre miracle was right about the "Diamond Authority" and "hollowing out the Earth", then why is there no indication of the Earth being hollowed out? You'd think scientists with all their advanced technology, via Gem interference or otherwise would have found out about the Earth being hollow! And don't tell me it's because the Crystal Gems block people's perceptions with magic, because:

A. They hardly use said magic (and don't say weapons count, they're melee weapons for Estelle's sake!)

B. It's not really magic if it's a norm for Gems to use their weapons/powers. Once again the snake people bit was a thing to probally make it harder to believe Ronaldos theory making its an OBVIOUS clue BUT NOT at the same time. for A. as in magic I said SHAPSHIFTING not magic in general ( I would never use the excuse to block out perceptions of people) and amytheyst shapeshifts all the time and steven shaped shift is fingers to cats in one episode or the fact that Pearl transportted stuff like the mirror with her gem or them bubbling stuff. And for scientists they havent ever mentioned the gems whatso ever so they probally dont care I dont want to belief it since its magic and no way to trully explain it. B. Magic isnt something that is just suprising( well it is surprisiing) its a certain ability to things without real scientific proof they do use magic it doesnt just whisk away or called normal human things if they do it for awhile its an ability. and Ronaldo never said that he said that the hollewed the earth or got a bit. He said they are TRYING to hollow it meaning that they wanted and tried but the Crystal Gems stopped them from it happening since they loved earth. So you've proven my point: the we shouldn't believe Ronaldo's stories of the "Diamond Authority" or otherwise because he's a crackpot! Also, I reiterate: It's not magic if it's the norm for the species! For Gems (and to an extent, Steven), Fusion and Shapeshifting come naturally. What magic they DO have is just to enhance their natural abilities.

Also, don't care? Really? They don't care about what would be to them a scientific breakthrough? Any scientist in the world would try dissecting them if word spread to Washington! In fact, the more I think about it, that's probably why they were further afraid of more Gems going through the warp pads; so they wouldn't become experiments to the paranoid governments of the world.

I appreciate that you're taking my side on the Crystal Gems being not evil, but at this point, I'm starting to think you're grasping at straws. How do I even "proove you point" really your the one grasping at straws since I said it was a bit to make it hard to see the GIANT CLUE IN YOUR FACE. When have I ever even said that we shouldn't believe the Diamond Authority  I said that that the writers wrote the snake part only to make you THINK not to trust it but it is real. It can't be a simple coincidence of the theory because its way to close to the gems. In episode Warp Tour and Serious STeven it also gives evidence to something that had happenend and is real (since there was definatly a war against gems to hollow the earth) and also if you look at the board of Ronaldo's theories it had newspaper clippings of what the gems did making it even harder to be a "coincidence". And it is magic to the people not to gems but to people is what Im meaning. to us it is magic. Sceintists if they really cared would have done it already remember the gems were on earth for THOUSANDS of years. I have alot of evidence to cover my theory of it being true so Im not graping at straws. Me grasping at straws?! Said the guy who thinks some almighty diamond authority is the reason that the Crystal Gems are on Earth! Seriously, I say this again and again: IT WAS MADE UP BY RONALDO! As in NOT REAL EVEN BY THE SHOW'S STANDARDS! He got the idea from a frigging dollar bill that coincidentally had a diamond on it! HOW IS THAT A CREDIBLE SOURCE?! *ahem*

I apologize for the outburst; this is not how I normally argue my case. I just get a little peeved when someone's so stubborn to hold on to something that for all we know isn't even an actual plot point. Now before you call me a hypocrite, note: I won't deny that something happened that caused a war between the Crystal Gems and other Gems; as that's most likely why they want to protect both the Earth and Steven at all costs. All I'm saying is that we should be looking to the actual Crystal Gems for the info and not to a conspiracy spewing fry vendor.

Also, so what? Just because it's magic to HUMANS doesn't make it magic to GEMS. There's a difference between magic and traits that a species (yes, as far as we know Gems are technically a species) gain over their maturity.

And finally, while true, stop and think about human history for a moment. What the Crystal Gems can do is considered super-human feats, right? And thinking back to most mythologies by the Greeks, Romans, Celts and so many other countries, I propose a theory as to why scientists haven't gone after the Crystal Gems all this time; it's not that they didn't care; it's that they always assumed they were gods. Or in the apparent case of every Gem so far except Steven, goddesses.

Or at the very least, demigods. Now hear me out on this one: with what I said about Gems having what one would consider super-human strength, it's not hard to assume that they've been labeled as gods, goddesses or demigods as a result since, well, humans back then didn't know what to make of otherworldly things. If that's the case, we can assume that most of the higher-ups just shrugged them off as myths and legends until Rose Quartz and the othe Crystal Gems entered the picture. After that, they most likely went under scrutiny by the governments of the world until they demonstrated their power in the aforementioned war. *inhale* And to make a long story short, they went into hiding since there wasn't much reason for them to travel the Earth anymore until Gem Monsters started to show up. By this point, Rose Quartz gave up her physical form to become Steven and, well the rest is history. First of all its hilarous how you're calling me stubborn when I have my facts to prove Ronaldo is RIGHT. You really just say oh its coincidence but it doesnt seem like a coincidence at this point. Ronaldo only used the diamond dollar bill as one thing to add to it the rest of his theory was formed by the newsclippings of what the gems did. It is very by the shows standards for the show does hint to wars and such and has a deeper meaning than oh gems fight for fun lol. There has to be a reason to cause a war in the first place. WHy would gems who conceder humans lower than them want a place like earth? Unless they would like something such as the Earth's core to possibly create more gems since you know gems dont mate where else would more appear? If the writters just wanted to have a random theory at the end then they wouldn't have said things that represented Gems to an exact since it takes thought to make a clue like it. When I said the scientist dont care I meant in a way that they either considered them higher and just went on in life. I dont think the gems would ever go hiding due to the fact they protect earth and if gov. tried to hurt them they can easily beat them being much stronger than humans. It also showed a picture of the crystal gems sailing very long ago in ep Too many Birthdays. If you want to disproof the fact that ronaldo's theory is correct then you have to have alot more evidence then "oh hes a crack pot" or "just a coincidence". Well, sounds like someone's being a hypocrite. All I'm seeing is alogations to that which was so obviously made up by Ronaldo. I mean honestly, again, you'd think there'd be some form of evidence of Gems "hollowing out the Earth". I'll buy that Gems battled over Earth's resources, yes, but frankly the idea of Gems harnessing crystals to make more Gems is not only disturbing, but also reeks of suspicion. If Rose Quartz was of any indication, Gems reproduction usually results the mother giving up their pysical form.

And furthermore, your facts, as you put it, are mere shots in the dark to the truth no doubt revealed by the end of the season. Your resorting to coincidences made by a conspiracy theorist, and sorry, but I just. don't. think. he. knows. what. he's. talking. ABOUT!

Now, I'm not saying there was no reason for the Gem War, what I AM saying is that we need more evidence before we start bowing to this "Diamond Authority" Ok first off how am I a hypocrite. And again you saying coincidence so is everything a coincidence to you? To you I bet Rose dying was a coincidence or gems having powers a coincidence. Also I do know gems are passed down to when given birth but how is that orginally gem created hmm? I mean there billions of gems but if its all passed down how is that gem created in the first place. There must of been a time when there was only 1 gem so how can billions grow from it since its always passed down in birth. They had to harvest gems someway and it also gives a good reason for them being WAY stronger when born. Dont give me bullcrap of the gems splitting because if a gem cracks the gem dies and doesnt give birth. And my facts are all prove from other episodes only 1 was my own theory. Also if every theory is wrong how would life evolve. People at first thought the world was flat for god's sake but someone made a theory that it was round and PROVED it. ALl you say is coincidence this coincidence that  everthing is a coincidence to you. *facepalm* You are either very stubborn or very naive. And I pray to Rose Quartz that it's the former! You are clearly mistaking what I call a coincidence for continuity. First of all, when under ANY of this conversation did I say that Gems having powers was a coincidence? Or Rose Quartz's death for that matter!

Also, I have had yet to see this so-called proof you have for Ronaldo being right. At leat I'm looking at the facts as they were presented in the show, while YOU are following a fry-haired nutcase into headcannon country!

The point I'm trying to make in all of this is that if you want the truth to be revealed, have the ACUTAL Gems tell you as oppose to someone who thought craters were made by SNAKE PEOPLE!

First of all do you know what an example is? because I was giving them. I never said that you said that Im just giving examples to what you probally would call a "coincidence". Also a show can only hold your hand so much. There not going to tell you everything you need to look at closely or the plot twists are already revealed. The writers arent going to spell it out for you and I also have been giving facts. You must be skipping it but read again my facts are from episodes scattered around. As I said once before Ill say it again writers used ronaldo as a way to drop a GIANT clue. And you know coincidence if repeated over time all the time (aka continuity) is not what I mean. If there are some coincidence fine but when almost everything is a coincidence its as if there was no story in the show. The Gems gave clues with their dialogues but I doubt they would tell steven or us since they want to protect them. I mean the Gems didnt even tell that they fight other gems all the time till they had to. Im just saying I have my evidence and now only time can reveal if its true or not. Okay, so I was right! You ARE stubborn! Yes, the show won't spell everything out. And that's great! I'm all for the show not spoonfeeding us. My problem's that you're putting your faith of hints in the hands of a nutball that for all we know got it wrong AGAIN.

What I meant by letting the Gems tell us is that we should wait til the Crystal Gems tell us the situation as oppose to Ronaldo.

Now, I apologize if I've gone on a rambling tangent (In fact, I see our arguments take up most of the comment section XD), but is frustrates me to think that fans are putting their faith in someone who wasn't even the war the Crystal Gems were in.