Talk:Lapis Lazuli/@comment-5780397-20171109030326/@comment-5956954-20171110010134

Martialmaniac wrote:

Pearl, who was not made to fight, is strong enough to kick away rubble thrown around by Sugilite, and durable enough to withstand many of her attacks. She would be much weaker if it were not for Steven's encouragement, which can be an ability all itself. I just wonder how it can be added if it has not been already. Martialmaniac wrote:

Steven is stronger than Rhodonite and the Rutile twins despite being much, much smaller (less massive). We do not know the purpose of Rhodonites (maybe? I forgot.), so they could be weaker than Quartz Gems, which Steven is along with being half-human. Mass would not relate in this case. You can argue that this point can benefit Lapis since "an ant can lift 10x its body weight." If Lapis showed an effort to lift rubble on top of herself, then the rest of her strength is not far off. Martialmaniac wrote:

Peridot is noted to be durable, but so are many other Gems. Peridot did say they are tougher than they look and was confirmed to be true. Lapis' flashback in "Same Old World" showed she was punched in the back once by a Bismuth and poofed, which led to someone stomping on her Gem and cracking it. It is shown then that Lapis is not very durable. Hmm, fair point, honestly. Their durability seems more akin to a human being, which is not standard to Gems. What needs to be done is Lapis facing a similar form of attack at the present time. Then it wouldn't be based on speculation. Hopefully, that can happen. I might look for a way to add it to the article or another. Thanks for the reminder. Martialmaniac wrote:

We can't tell if she's more du[r]able than Jasper; as you said yourself. Points upward ^ Martialmaniac wrote:

She [Lapis] can fight very effectively, even though that's not her main purpose, just like that of Peridots is not being thrown around to test their durability. That Lapis has had less screen time is an equally valid reason to clarify how much we know - or don't - about her abilities. Rather than use her anatomical prowess, Lapis uses the environment's physical properties to fight off enemies effectively through the use of long-range attacks performed by hydrokinesis. Given the liquid around her is to her enemies' disadvantage, her capabilities as a terraformer is a strength and also a weakness.

If the affinities are against her, then Quartz Gems like Jasper can easily fight more effectively than Lapis ever could in the given situation. It proves Gems are intelligent enough to go beyond what they are supposed to do, but they cannot adopt new skillsets to help improve their chances of succeeding in situations not for them. Overall, it means Lapis being on Earth was just a lucky place to be. She is otherwise predictable with her intended capabilities.

As with Peridot, I recall them being technicians. This would mean they have to be durable so they can survive or deal with malfunctioning environments. This along with their vulnerability due to a lack of abilities as an Era 2 Gem, leads to the speculation that Peridots were intended to be durable to serve as effective maintenance Gems. The proof is how they are fine with building robots out of garbage to fight Pearl's bot but somehow cannot catch a wild corrupt Gem and even shows fatigue and frustration from trying to carry out such a task. Just speculation, though.

Overall, fair points. I just don't see how it can be integrated into the article under your wording. Again, I'll see what I can do in the future. Martialmaniac wrote:

she's [Sapphire] not a fighting Gem either, yet she too has demonstrated super strength. Was that during the baseball game in Hit The Diamond? I don't remember them having the strength that goes beyond the standard enhanced conditioning Gems have. Martialmaniac wrote:

Zircon too was said to possess "standard Gem abilities"; yet she never displayed super strength, durability or athletic abilities, all of which are implied by her possessing "standard Gem abilities", despite these varying greatly from Gem to Gem, and not only due to the Gem's intended function. The intended function of a Gem and is not how they carry out their tasks but also their defenses to common problems, like Quartzes with battle damage and Peridots for maintenance fatigue or technical malfunctions, such considerations earning their varied passive abilities.

Overall, what is being used right now is the "if" factor, We don't know their true capabilities, etc., so it justifies speculatory mentions in the articles, to which I say no. It is heavily supported, however, so that is when the opinion draws a line that goes between controversy. I might look for a way to add some of these details to the article, then. I might discuss with people about it on the wiki's Discord. What I need especially, however, is people favoring the additions, including staff and other users than us.

That will be seen to by yourself if I fail to find a way to integrate the information.