Talk:Padparadscha/@comment-26618197-20170608161802/@comment-31509668-20170612040821

@Twizz

Lars' kissing of Sadie was an act culminating a days to weeks long descent into depression and emotional breakdown brought about by Sadie stranding him on Mask Island against his will. The instant Sadie hid that warp pad to keep Lars on that island she crossed the line into criminality and abuse. She then ignored Lars' increasing physical and emotional deterioration and distress knowing full well she could have ended his pain at any time. You would think basic empathy would have caused Sadie to conclude that this plan was not worth the obvious agony Lars was going through. It was only the appearance of an actual threat that caused Sadie to drop her ruse. And when Lars learned of Sadie's deception and was justifiably horrified and angry with her for her violation of his agency, Sadie's only response was to beat him.

The show "We Bare Bears" used this exact plot in the episode "The Island". The bears wash up on an island where a man, Dave, and a woman, Karla, had been stranded for some time. Karla was depressed and losing hope that they would ever be rescued. It was later discovered that Dave had been concealing a box of supplies that included an inflatable raft that could have gotten them off the island at any time. Dave had been keeping Karla trapped on the island until she fell in love with him. Needless to say the episode presented Dave as a total villain and so does the WBB fandom. When Karla and the bears left the island they didn't bring Dave with them. If Dave had gotten as far with Karla as Sadie got with Lars, Dave would be guilty of attempted rape by deception which is a legally recognized form of rape and the internet would have been aflame with rage.

As for Lars lying to Sadie to get out of work, he didn't do anything different from anyone who has ever taken a sick day when they weren't sick. Lars hates his job. He was given the opportunity to leave for the day and he took it. Lars would have done that if I were his boss. His boss being Sadie had nothing to do with it. And as Lars' boss Sadie had numerous appropriate and legal ways to deal with him. She could counsel him. She could write him up. She could fire him. Instead she serves him a poisoned doughnut with the openly stated intention of hurting him.

As for justifications for Sadie hitting Lars, there are no justifications. I don't care how big a jerk Lars decides to be, no one has the right to hit him just because they don't like him. That's bullying. What Sadie is doing is assault and battery. That gets you jail time in most jurisdictions. Sadie can get as angry and frustrated at Lars as she wants but until he raises a hand against her she has no choice but to keep her fists to herself. I don't understand the confusion here. Nobody has the right to hit other people without lawful provocation. Period. Assault and battery are crimes for a reason. There is no "well he...", "he's a jerk", "he lied to me", "but I love him", or any other excuse. You hit someone without lawful justification you need to call a lawyer and prepare your case because you will be telling it to the judge.

As for Lars feelings for Sadie, did everyone just miss the line in "The New Lars" where he tells Steven he and Sadie "...aren't getting married.  We aren't even dating.  And if she thinks we are, that's her problem". Can anything Lars says about his own feelings be believed? In the "Steven Universe" timeline "The New Lars" takes place over a year after "Joking Victim" and "Island Adventure". Lars and Sadie have had no romantic interactions for that entire period and Lars seems just fine with that. He'd rather be off playing with his friends. When Steven, as Lars, tells Sadie "I love you" she gets furious and throws him out of her house. She says the only reason Lars would say that was to hurt her. That means that Lars himself has never sincerely told Sadie that he loves her and this is a year or more on from "Joking Victim" and "Island Adventure". I'm just not seeing a relationship developing here.