Thread:Iudexkoo/@comment-3560963-20150209015620/@comment-3560963-20150209185358

'' You do realize you are equally shortsighted? You are sick of people having their own opinions on matters that don't coincide with yours. The sword cuts both ways. You're tired of the tired cliche that the CGs are evil, but another tired cliche is the apparent extraterrestrial saviours are good and will do no harm. Mind you, I see that the Homeworld gems are evil but I also see the view of the homeworld gem's views on the CG. I look at both side of the coins. You only like to look at one because looking past the shadow of a doubt is too far to try to understand. I took the stand to defend the Homeworld Gems because you weren't giving them a chance to actually fully show their true colors, you are judging them by their short appearances and events that could be justified. ''

No, I'm sick of people using a cliche that's been done to death and needs to die. And..no. Just...just no. The sword doesn't cut both ways if the sword's owned by beings such as the Homeworld Gems. I repeat: THEY'RE ASSHOLES! Who cares what they think of the Gems that actually care about perserving life?! And for the record, I don't NEED to see full-on appearences to know that they're monsters in their own right. From what the show's given us, both through dialogue of the Gems and the subtle hints that the show's given us, we can easily assume that they care little for other forms of life due to their immortality and near indestructible bodies. And frankly, I'll take those who are evil in the eyes of a callous race over those who are evil for their own personal gain.

'' Technically, yes he is, in a world where good is bad and bad is good, CP would be considered evil. Also considering he isn't from another planet but from earth, there isn't really anyone who deems him as evil as most of the villains of the show are from the same planet as him. Also, your analogy is sorely lacking points. Here's what's wrong with your analogy, Captain Planet is from earth, he saves the earth from harm, CP's people (humans) see him as a hero; the Crystal Gems aren't from earth (save maybe Amethyst) but they save the earth, the inhabitants of earth see them as heroes but what about amongst their people (Gems)? Are they still considered heroes? ''

What's your point? My analogy is that the Crystal Gems save the Earth and its life while the Homeworld Gems potentially destroy both Earth and most likely other planets for their resources. What dare I ask is so evil about that? So...by your logic, we should have aliens that wish to destroy our planet for its resources tell us what Earth does and doesn't need? Gimme a break...

'' The key here is self-preservation. Your whole argument revolves around how the people of earth see the Gems. For all we know the Gems could be a dying race and needed to gather some resources from other planets. Lapis did all those things because she wanted to go home. She said herself "I never believed in this place", this would indicate that Lapis was sent to do something on earth, protect maybe? And was ultimately trapped inside the mirror for glob knows who, for eons maybe, and was left alone all that time and only used as a tool. She was also broken, when Amethyst gem was broken there were times when she actually looked like she was in pain, now imagine how Lapis felt having her gem broken for years and years with no one to help her fix it, mind you, Rose was still alive at this point. And when Steven talked to her atop the water elevator she actually showed emotion no "megalomaniac" would show. She felt sadness, hurt, betrayal, and regret. And when Steven healed Lapis, she actually said thank you and left. If she wanted, she could've destroyed the earth in an instant because even when she was broken she easily defeated the CGs and had total control of the vast majority of the ocean, what now if she was fully healed? In Peridot's case, a compromise of a system is a big deal. How could she left her  robots  for dead when they weren't even alive or showed any sentience outside from being programmed tasks? She could've gathered all of them and cleaned them manually but a compromise is a big deal, she didn't take any type of risk that could potentially be a threat to her people. ''

Really? Because by the looks of On the Run, the Homeworld Gems seem to be thriving just fine! If this is what they did to one canyon on Earth, imagine how many times that has happened on other planets. Yeah, a REAL dying race!

And to quote Phoenix Wright: "OBJECTION!" Lapis gave no indication that she was sent to Earth to do ANYTHING. If anything, she sounded like she despised the idea of Earth. The only time that wasn't the case was when she was with Steven. And even then, he can bring out the best in anyone! My best guess is that Lapis was a rebel even by Gem standards and was not only exiled, but sealed in the mirror as punishment for an as of yet unknown crime. And the cracking of her Gem was no doubt because she tried to escape said punishment.

And as for Peridot, notice how one of said robots hounded on her leg like a dog. Indicating that they love her to some capacity, otherwise why would the writers put that in? Besides, am I seriously the only one who's pro-robot around here? If Star Wars and Futurama can have robots worth caring about (Star Wars in particular comes to mind as inspiration for the show itself), why can't this? And lastly, what compromise? The stickers Steven put on the Warp Pad? What kind of compromise is that?

And if you STILL don't believe my side of the story that the Homeworld Gems are equally as evil, note that it took them THIS LONG to try repairing the Warp Pad for Earth.

'' The natural world is a harsh environment. Our  laws don't affect the homeworld gems and  their  laws don't affect us but they have the upper hand. It all a bilogical arms race, it's an eat or be eaten universe. They see humans as inferior (even Pearl agrees) in the same boat that we see them as monsters. It's not a law to destroy planets but if it's a need, then it's an entirely different matter. In Avatar, the military's cause was good but their means weren't. ''

So that gives Homeworld Gems the right to potentially disrupt the balance the Earth for their own gain? My problem's not that it's the law for them (though I SINCERELY doubt it's some backwards law), my problem is that it's no excuse for what they did.

'' Finally, as I've said I see the Homeworld Gems as borderline bad. They have yet to show their true colors. And if they do infact reveal as pure evil, then I will accept that. I won't cling to a theory that's already been concretely debunked. And you keep fighting off the people who see the Crystal gems as evil because in your eyes they are good, and people who think otherwise are wrong. What ever happened to the saying "Innocent until proven guilty"? ''

Frankly, what the Homeworld Gems have done is anything BUT innocent! See the aforementioned paragraphs above for proof of that. And note that I said that they were jerks and a-holes, not outright evil. They just a little Steven Universe-style persuasion to have them see things differently. And for the record, I will CONTINUE to see the Crystal Gems as good for not only protecting the Earth, but also showing that not all Gems are insensitive towards other beings!