Thread:Cheeseskates/@comment-5782071-20171125043735/@comment-5956954-20171125080602

"Alright, if you were to replace my addition (which I still stand by, by the way), how exactly would you write it? Simply writing whatever "the consequences of self-interest and one-eyed goals embracing the comprehension of incompatibility and blindness to empathy" means (your wording was a bit confusing) doesn't strike me as something worth adding to the Trivia."

What I intend to write is a more appropriate conclusion by working around what you have entered while also bringing up a different point. I will get to it as I mentioned before. Perhaps it does not necessarily need to be in the trivia but rather a personality trait. We will know (mostly me) when we decide to write something.

By the way, to break down my sentence:
 * the consequences of self-interest and one-eyed goals: Jasper only wants power and to reclaim her lost pride after her defeat to Garnet so she can continue to be the soldier that does not fail. Therefore, to fuse and defeat the Crystal Gems would be the appropriate goal set in mind, and Jasper focuses so heavily on this goal due to her self-interest, she disregards the means used to achieve what she wants, which leads to her incompatibility with anything that can have her become a fusion in the first place.
 * embracing the comprehension of incompatibility and blindness to empathy: Since no one "wants to stay" by Jasper's words, it shows to her that while she is a powerful soldier, she is ultimately outdated when compared to the foes she faces on Earth, such as the Crystal Gems and fusion, and will stay that way. This is because, again, Jasper does not understand the key requirement for a fusion to work: the care for another. She failed with Lapis and failed with a beast because she lacks the empathy needed to have one care for her and embrace the fusion.

"In fact, a good deal of your wording confuses me (though whether that's my fault or yours, I can't say) in each of your replies. "I could understand if Steven Universe bordered on being for the 15+ audience and if it was not only shown how it is now but have the message convince people it is a bad thing not just because force can tame a beast." being one example."

It would be my fault. I was lacking necessary antecedents in your example sentence. Here is a rewrite:


 * "I could understand your keeping the allegory if Steven Universe bordered on being for the 15+ (age) audience and if such audience understands the actions by Jasper are a bad thing for these hidden reasons and not just because force (animal abuse) can tame a beast."

Hope that helps, though I would avoid making an argumentum ad hominem. What I am implying is the current message is too cryptic and far-fetched if I am to consider the "STI" abbreviation because such a message being presented to children on a kids show is abnormal.

"Since the show has a history of allegories, what allegory to a specific real world situation would you compare Jasper's contraction of corruption to?"

I see none that are related. Considering the "STI" abbreviation, One would be considered a human to be an animal (dehumanization) to the point it is bestiality. If "S" was taken out to be "TI", I would consider it more frightening the person to the point they react as a feral to you (making them act like an animal), and they will pass on an infection by biting, scratching, ripping certain areas, etc. That would make more sense, but it's slightly fickle considering the corrupted Gem wanted to escape, so they don't connect completely.

"The Cluster itself can be an allegory for rape (forced fusion, Garnet's explicity statement of the Gems not being asked permission to be fused with another Gem)"

I disagree. I see the Cluster and Cluster Gems more resembling the defects in circuses that participate in "freak shows." Fictional stories that I am aware of, like an arc in the Black Butler series, have circuses where augmentations and other forms of equipment are stitched onto human beings as they otherwise have accidents and cannot retire to proper healthcare due to the ringmaster denying such and telling participants to "keep the dark secret." I recall it being a common theme to base a horror story on, but while I have seen examples countless times, I never figured out their names to reference them. Sad.

"Corruption also doubles as a potential allegory for PTSD or mental illness in general."

I agree as both can be spontaneous. That is what I want to focus on specifically in relation to Jasper's failures in these "different relationships."