Talk:Your Mother and Mine/@comment-5406733-20180411181530/@comment-3225961-20180412163058

The issue I have with your clues is that they are ambiguous, but you state your conclusion as though it is fact. You conclude Pink Diamond not is shattered, yet I could just as easily conclude that someone else shattered Pink Diamond. This is what was acknowledged during the trial. Also Steven brought up the "empathy" thing, and Garnet concluded that doesn't prove she's alive.

Additionally, when you mention Garnet lying about the story, you're not taking into account that she did not witness the exchange firsthand, which is why I said Rose most likely told her this. Hence Rose is the one who suggested that Pink Diamond laughed maniacally. It's not a matter of her consciously injecting her own prejudices into the story.

As far as the Zoo is concerned, I made a rather lengthy post on Pink Diamond's page

The most important point here is actually your one about dogs. If you recall in Greg the Babysitter, '''Rose gushes to Greg about how humans have the ability to grow, change, and decide who they want to be. Those humans in the zoo do not have that choice''', giving Rose all the more reason to disapprove of Pink Diamond's Zoo.

Allaedelia

I'm not talking about theories here, I'm talking about ShadowBeast presenting theories and opinions as facts. Phrases like "it's obvious" mean there is no doubt in his statements. More appropriate words are "likely", "suggest", "probably", "perhaps", etc... because they indicate some level of uncertainty. You can't disprove a theory with another theory. Pink Diamond being sympathetic is a theory, and it's only "obvious" that Garnet's statements are false if the former is true.

Also, we don't know for a fact that Blue Diamond did not treat Pink Diamond as an equal. In fact, Blue Diamond thought they were "very close". Additionally, while the Diamond's personalities are "more complicated", neither Blue nor Yellow show any regard for humanity. Blue thought Greg deserved to be saved from the Cluster, but every other human would be left to die. Not to mention her primary goal was to preserve Pink's legacy.

As for Diamond personalities, Rebecca Sugar hinted in a Podcast that Gems of a particular court have personalities that mimic their Diamond's. We can look at Pink Diamond's subjects then, and predict who she might've been.

As for possibilities, some have more support from canon, and these are the possibilities that should be given more weight than others. If Rose was buddy-buddy with Pink Diamond, why didn't she tell the Crystal Gems? Why would she let them believe that she shattered Pink Diamond? And you also don't know why Pink manufactured a human zoo. If you don't want to believe Garnet's reason for the Zoo, that's fine, but your reasoning shouldn't be given more weight than what was suggested in canon.