Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26208943-20150224183255/@comment-25725945-20150410133653

Walkinmanz wrote: Ok. First off, it seems a lot of people are either ignoring or flat out omitting some of the info the show has given us so far in their theories. Now for my take.

It's been stated previously here numerous times and continually ignored but Rose has never been confirmed splitting in half, ever! All she said was that she and Steven COULD NOT EXIST AT THE SAME TIME, and that SHE would become half OF STEVEN, not that half of her would become half of Steven, or that she split her consiousness from her body and possess some other form(which if Gems could do, there would be no need to retreat to their gems to regenerate). As far as we know, and as far as logic is concerned, giving up her physical form(her human construct) and forming Steven(who has her Gem-her very being) means that All of Rose became half OF STEVEN, the other half of STEVEN, being Greg's DNA(his humanity).

Also worth noting is the fact that just because the other Gems didn't know Rose had a lion doesn't mean Rose is Lion. The whole point of the episode Rose's Scabbard was to show that Rose kept secrets from the other Gems rather easily and successfully, INCLUDING PEARL. The only reason Pearl knew of Rose's secret armory was because Rose CHOSE to tell her. It is VERY plausible that Rose could have had Lion as a pet for quite some time without the Gems knowing, even Pearl.

It is very possible that Lion could be a creation/pet/artifact of Roses' just like her Sword, Scabbard, Light Cannons, her room, and maybe even a more sophisticated hollow. Yes, Lion's pink, and he obviously has a connection to Rose. I mean, only Steven can access Lion's mane, just like only Steven can open Rose's room and operate her secret armory. Does this mean Rose's room, Sword, Scabbard and Cannons are all Rose too!? Obviously not. The fact that Lion is connected to Rose is not enough to substantiate the belief that he is Rose.

Another factor is that Lion does not have a gem, and Gems can only exist when physically connected their Gems. We have literally seen every part of Lion's body and he does not a Gem. Even if Lion did, in fact, have a gem it would only disprove the idea that Lion=Rose because he'd be his own separate Gem entity. Gems don't have multiple Gemstones unless they are fusions and even in the case of Fusions the separate Fusion gems are connected to the body and are different from each/characteristic of the individual Gems that formed the Fusion.

Not to mention one thing that people seem to be ignoring is the fact that Lion and Rose have differing personalities, behavior, and abilities. Lion only does what he wants, when he wants. He choses to be Steven's guardian but still completely ignores him and his commands unless it's something important(and even then he does things his own way). Lion shows no empathy or concern for the other Gems whatsoever. Aside from the scenes where Lion shows frustration with Pearl and her behavior it doesn't seem like he could care any less about the Crystal Gems. He's allowed Steven to be some rather dangerous situations. He even just sat and watched as the Gems were handily defeated. Garnet's human construct was even DESTROYED and Lion didn't do a thing. He was on the beach with them, just a little farther back. He could've helped. But he didn't. Whether or not is was becuase he felt they could handle it(even though Garnet basically died and Pearl and Amethyst were beaten) or not isn't the case. If Rose's "soul/will" was possessing this Lion she would've come to their help. And she did. In the form of Steven. Lion's abilities are also completely unique to him. Rose was never mentioned with the ability to run on water, teleport at will, hold another dimension in her hair, or have sonic roars. Rose wouldn't have such a blatant disregard for "her closest friends" the only Gems she managed to save in that war 5,000 years ago as Lion does.

Recap: 1. All of Rose = Half of Steven; the other half, Steven's humanity, is Greg's DNA

2. Rose has been very successful at keeping secrets from the Gems, and probably has kept secrets from even Pearl!! She kept Lion a secret, not that hard if she can keep an entire armory secret.

3. Lion could possibly a creation of Rose's, like her Sword, Scabbard, Light Cannons, etc. but that doesn't make him, or any of Rose's objects, Rose. Plus he doesn't even have Gem(and if he did, that would make him his own entity)

4. Lion's personality and abilities are completely different from Rose's. If her "soul/will" was implanted in Lion then it'd be unlikely for Lion to act the way he does and even watch, idly, as the Crystal Gems are getting utterly defeated.

Sorry for the long post, but I just scrolled through all of these posts today and got a little frustrated. Wanted to add some more facts and insight into the conversation. Agree, don't agree, that's fine. But don't completely dismiss vital pieces of information just because you don't agree with it. That explains too much.