Steven Universe Wiki:Chat/Logs/7 Jun 2017

 [00:15:27] [JOIN] VictorianFlorist has warped into the Crystal Palace [00:20:06] [JOIN] Cheeseskates has warped into the Crystal Palace [00:29:04] [CHAT] Sophiedp: o/ [00:43:59] [QUIT] VictorianFlorist has warped out [01:00:17] [JOIN] SchnoodleDoodle has warped into the Crystal Palace [01:01:26] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: hi there [01:01:32] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Hey. [01:01:46] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: are you here all by yourself? :P [01:02:08] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: /me looks at user rail to the right. [01:02:14] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Yes. [01:02:43] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: well I guess I&#039;ll keep you company [01:02:59] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: after I wash my hands, brb [01:03:12] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Ehh, I like it quiet [01:04:25] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: lol [01:05:16] [CHAT] Sophiedp: subtle cheese [01:05:36] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: is he saying he doesn&#039;t want to talk to me? [01:05:47] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: I bad with taking hints [01:06:38] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: I literally mean, &quot;I like it quiet.&quot; [01:06:54] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: It makes me available for other things to do. [01:08:09] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: what else ya doing? [01:08:27] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: School work. [01:08:43] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Writing an essay about the character Prince Hamlet. [01:08:57] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: I never read Hamlet [01:09:08] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: just Romeo and Juliet and the merchant of Venice [01:09:24] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Hamlet is considered to be Shakespeare&#039;s best work. [01:09:30] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: so yeah. recommend it. [01:09:43] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: the best, really? [01:09:51] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: would have thought it was Romeo and Juliet [01:10:43] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Nah. [01:10:54] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: That&#039;s just the most parodied. [01:11:05] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: whereas Hamlet is the most performed and referenced. [01:11:36] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: &quot;To be or not to be&quot; is also from Hamlet. [01:11:46] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: that is parodied a lot lol [01:11:54] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: where he is talking to a skull [01:12:19] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Yorick&#039;s skull. [01:13:37] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: which is a symbol for physical death. [01:13:53] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: is that quote about death [01:14:00] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: It is indeed. [01:14:17] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: but it talks about death from all angles. [01:14:39] [JOIN] Famethyst4life has warped into the Crystal Palace [01:14:51] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: He asks if it is nobler to suffer life than to end one&#039;s to end suffering and pain. [01:15:13] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: he compares death to sleep. &quot;to die-to sleep. to sleep-perchance to dream.&quot; [01:15:37] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: the dreamscape being erratic and unpredictable, a similarity found in theorizing the concept of the afterlife. [01:15:44] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: and how it is the unknown [01:16:03] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: hmm [01:16:21] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: I guess death is a more interesting topic than love [01:16:22] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: so using that, Hamlet would say that people would gladly take their own life if they were certain a better afterlife exists. [01:16:23] [JOIN] Nicholas Blaschke has warped into the Crystal Palace [01:16:23] [CHAT] Nicholas Blaschke: Hi [01:16:24] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: but less pleasant [01:16:34] [CHAT] Nicholas Blaschke: lapislazuli [01:16:38] [CHAT] Nicholas Blaschke: (heart) [01:16:42] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: but since people are uncertain, as death can lead to somwhere else [01:16:51] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: they choose to bear the pain of life [01:17:12] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: well, according to the Christian Bible, suicide is punishable by eternity in hell [01:17:34] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: so they could not take their own lives and expect to go to paradise [01:17:41] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: which is just a belief [01:17:46] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: they needed to prove their worth by suffering on earth [01:17:49] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: I know [01:17:49] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: but a belief Hamlet considers regardless [01:18:00] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: but it&#039;s what most people in Europe believed at the time [01:18:31] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Except King Hamlet is dammed to hell. [01:18:34] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: I don&#039;t know [01:18:42] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: I would rather suffer than not exist at all [01:18:47] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: so that line of thinking is a dead end in Sakespeare&#039;s fiction. [01:19:11] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: despite his death being an assassination. [01:19:20] [QUIT] Famethyst4life has warped out [01:19:39] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: and yeah, you would want that [01:19:40] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: is Hamlet the one where his uncle kills his father and casts him out [01:20:13] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Hamlet is the one where the uncle kills the father of Hamlet and is the end to Prince Hamlet&#039;s revenge, yes. [01:20:28] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: all detailed by a ghost, though. [01:20:32] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: the ghost of the dead father [01:20:37] [CHAT] Nicholas Blaschke: (amethyst) [01:20:38] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: that reminds me of the lion king [01:20:43] [CHAT] Nicholas Blaschke: (heart) [01:20:50] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: sort of. [01:21:04] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: though Hamlet is already tempted since the beginning [01:21:17] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: to kill himself? [01:21:23] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: he just delays his actions because his own rationality and logic holds himback from &quot;drinking hot blood.&quot; [01:21:26] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: why doesn&#039;t he just kill the uncle [01:21:30] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: no, to kill the uncle. [01:21:38] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: does he do it? [01:21:43] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: he does at the very end [01:22:10] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: because he would then proceed to be irrational and violent [01:22:17] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: (not spoiling too much) [01:22:39] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: well in medieval times it would be rational to kill the uncle [01:22:44] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: but during the play, he would rather delay his attacks to gather more knowledge on the event and more insight. [01:22:57] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: because if he didn&#039;t he would probably be hunted down so he doesn&#039;t claim the throne of his father [01:23:07] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: otherwise, it cannot be determined if retribution should be left to God or if it is justified for Hamlet. [01:23:28] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: because the thing is, the ghost tells him that the uncle assassinated him [01:23:42] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: and back in the time setting, ghosts were believed to be evil [01:23:53] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: oh [01:24:06] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: so it wasn&#039;t an angel or anything [01:24:07] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: they could be visual representations of the devil in disguise to tempt one to seek the flames of hell [01:24:18] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Hamlet questions this because of such a belief [01:24:34] [JOIN] WhiteTanooki5 has warped into the Crystal Palace [01:24:42] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: is the ghost beholding the truth, flat-out lying, distorting the truth unintentionally, or is the ghost deluded themself? [01:25:50] [QUIT] WhiteTanooki5 has warped out [01:25:54] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: These questions are presented in Hamlet and are important motifs considering how the play talks about how words can be an extremely useful tool [01:25:57] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: and weapon [01:26:17] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: is there any justifications for murder in christianity [01:26:29] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: should leave retribution to God. [01:26:34] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: so probably not. [01:26:50] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: hmm [01:27:04] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: but it&#039;s a thin line being explored [01:27:05] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: I guess it depends how you interpret it [01:27:16] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: that is the case for all of Shakespear&#039;s works, dude. [01:27:23] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: shakespeare* [01:27:36] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: good writer. [01:27:58] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Hamlet is one of the most analyzed and yet, it is still unclear Hamlet&#039;s true intentions and feelings. [01:28:21] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: yeah, a lot of his stories are used as archetypes for modern films/books/stories [01:28:27] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: The entire play is most famous and loved by the central character and how his character is the pure epitome of fictional human psychology. [01:28:29] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: though if he himself invented them idk [01:28:36] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: maybe he just took ideas from older stories [01:28:46] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: ones that were not recorded or lost [01:28:55] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Hamlet was made at the time wherepsychology as a concept wasn&#039;t made. [01:29:09] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: so it is a beautiful feat to achieve when he does it perfectly in a work of fiction. [01:29:38] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: Also, it is generally accepted Shakespeare wrote all his plays. [01:30:27] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: All arguments otherwise are baseless. [01:30:40] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: I know he did [01:30:53] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: but what I meant is maybe he took inspiration from older, similar stories [01:31:03] [CHAT] SchnoodleDoodle: ones we don&#039;t know about anymore because they are lost in time [01:31:25] [CHAT] Cheeseskates: He took inspiration from his time period and the royal family, to put it shortly.