Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26208943-20150224183255/@comment-26217701-20150501041225

@Kass McK

[Disclaimer: Apologize in advance if you think I'm calling you out/being rude or mean/starting arguments for no reason because that isn't the case. I'm also very sarcastic to the point of being caustic so don't take it personal. I'm just here to have intellectual discussions/arguments with others because this show is way more complex than it seems and understanding it from people's points of view is intriguing to me somehow. Tear me apart if you want, I'm game.]

1. RE: Lion's gender:  "Some lionesses have manes. Sexual dichotomy is not the perfect binary y'all would like it to be. Nature is messy." That doesn't really change anything. Is a Lioness with a mane considered a Lion? Is a Lion without a mane considered a Lioness? No. A Lioness with a mane = Lioness. Lion without a mane = Lion. A hen that crows and has a wattle = still a hen. The gems usage of male pronouns is important because literally only they (which really means the crewniverse of course) knows/can decide whether or not Lion is male or otherwise. Only they can make that disctinction and they have. For all we know sexual dichotomy could be flawless in the SU universe. And obiviously 'Lion is a magical creature and doesn't care about your arbitrary gender rules.' Fun fact: Lion is a fictional creature in a fictional universe. We can literally ascribe whatever personal beliefs we have on him and it literally wouldn't matter a wink. We literally couldn't hurt his/her/its/their/feelings because they don't actually exist.

2. RE: Rose == Lion. You literally restated what people have said except in a more convoluted way. You could've summed up in one sentence what you wrote just about two paragraphs for with: 'The entirety of Rose's being is a part of Steven.' I will agree with you though that '[Rose] was shown to be a lover and a student of Life in many forms.' But never was it stated that Rose could create life from thin air/nothing. She could mold plants into what she wanted but couldn't create it from nothing. And I will again agree with you that it is possible 'Lion's body could have once belonged to Rose, but now it belongs to Lion.' But there is also a problem with that. 'Gem-flesh' as you call it doesn't exist outside/seperate from a gem. If a part of a gem is cut/blown off then it ceases to exist. A gem also can't control their hardlight forms when retreating into their gems regardless of why they're being forced to retreat (as far as we know, which means you could still be completely right). Pearl, Garnet, and more recently Amethyst have all had to retreat into their gems. If they had total control over their hardlight forms then they wouldn't need to retreat at all/ could prolong the process and could do whatever they wanted with their forms They would also be able to duplicate themselves if they wanted/needed to. But they can't. If Rose was in the process of giving herself up for Steven then she wouldn't have control over anything at all, let alone her body. And the process of creating a lifeform from scrath sounds extremely complex and requiring a lot of concentration. She probably would've been in a comatose-like state and unable to do anything.