<div class="quote"><i>HarringtonLittle wrote:
Not sure if someone has said this but... Can we all take a moment to realise Steven survived being smashed into a wall, by Bismuth who rivals Garnet in Strength, and also was able to beat her... Steven is the first Gem to poof another fully Sentient Gem in this show (shown in episodes Ep1-100etc) on his own! Yes there was Peridot but she was a 4 on 1 Scenario...</i></div>
<p>Yes, but to be fair, he ALSO went toe-to-toe with Jasper and lived to tell about it. Granted, he was Stevonnie at that point, but his mindset was still there.
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<div class="quote"><i>Sarasvato: <p>Anyway, speaking of Peridot, do you think she can use the Forge with her new metal power? </p> </i></div>
<p>Probably not since she can't pick up metal dust with those powers and would probably burn to death in the lava </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Yoshimickster wrote:
<div class="quote">Quauntonaut wrote:
rip steven's flip flop <p>never forget </p> <figure class="article-thumb tleft show-info-icon" style="width: 251px"> <figcaption> </figcaption></figure></i></div>
Maybe now he'll buy some flippin' shoes like a REAL man. Flip flops are the coward's way out, and should only be used in medical emergencies. Feet should be naked, or completely covered, there is no in between. </div> <p>Well, I hope Steven never happens to be a "REAL man" in the classical sense because that's why I love him so much.  </p><p>Turning into a "macho species", a classic straight white cis and sexist being would just kill the character. </p>

<p>If Bismuth met Lapis, Peridot and/or Jasper. :OOO </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Kotoritachi wrote:
Why can't they introduce a gem that <i>doesn't</i> have a problem...?</i></div>
<p>Because a character without struggles and internal problems is not a very interessting character in a show ? Also in real life all people have problems, ways of thinking differents than others and psychological issues in some areas, so why a cartoon character should be different : perfect, with only logical reason to act and a perfectly balanced personality ? :P
</p><p>I think the problem with Rose and the other gems is that... even if they wanted to separate themselves as far as possible from that they were supposed to be... it's not entierly possible. Rose was a very motherly and protective gems at the core, and I think she couldn't change this part of her. And maybe her defaults come from this motherly personnality, all the lies she told, all the shady business she have done... She didn't say anything to the other Crystal Gems to protect them, in this case because she didn't want Garnet and Pearl to think of their old friends as a merciless killer but as a hero of war. </p><p>That is the difference between her and Steven. Steven want to protect everything like his mom, but he also have learned that she can't... and she doesn't have to protect the people around him from some truth, even if this truth can hurt them. </p><p>
</p><p>... Concerning Bizmuth... She has her reason to act like that, there was some truth in that she says but... Bizmuth is the embodiment of : "The end justify the means" which is a very dangerous and wrong at core idea. Rose, Steven and all of the Crystal Gems wanted a war based upon a pacifist point of view, a war to change the mentality of Homeworld but not with pure violence and murder, but with words and by showing gems how they could live as they wish. Destroying gems who just follow orders is wrong, especially when gems can be taken down by poofing them and bubbling them and even if Bizmuth ideas came from the sincerest place, what she wanted to do was something very dark and brutal. </p><p>I think we will see her again sometimes in the future, maybe when Steven and the Crystal Gems will find a way to show her a better way to do things... But... Maybe it will be after the war end, at a time when there will be no need for the Point Break and a time when she will be free to be herself... Maybe before... For the moment I think it's best the CG keep her bubbled and think at a way to try to change a little bit her mind. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>ZelProd wrote:
<div class="quote">Kotoritachi wrote:
Why can't they introduce a gem that <i>doesn't</i> have a problem...?</i></div>
Because a character without struggles and internal problems is not a very interessting character in a show ? Also in real life all people have problems, ways of thinking differents than others and psychological issues in some areas, so why a cartoon character should be different : perfect, with only logical reason to act and a perfectly balanced personality ? :P
<p>I think the problem with Rose and the other gems is that... even if they wanted to separate themselves as far as possible from that they were supposed to be... it's not entierly possible. Rose was a very motherly and protective gems at the core, and I think she couldn't change this part of her. And maybe her defaults come from this motherly personnality, all the lies she told, all the shady business she have done... She didn't say anything to the other Crystal Gems to protect them, in this case because she didn't want Garnet and Pearl to think of their old friends as a merciless killer but as a hero of war. </p><p>That is the difference between her and Steven. Steven want to protect everything like his mom, but he also have learned that she can't... and she doesn't have to protect the people around him from some truth, even if this truth can hurt them. </p><p>
</p><p>... Concerning Bizmuth... She has her reason to act like that, there was some truth in that she says but... Bizmuth is the embodiment of : "The end justify the means" which is a very dangerous and wrong at core idea. Rose, Steven and all of the Crystal Gems wanted a war based upon a pacifist point of view, a war to change the mentality of Homeworld but not with pure violence and murder, but with words and by showing gems how they could live as they wish. Destroying gems who just follow orders is wrong, especially when gems can be taken down by poofing them and bubbling them and even if Bizmuth ideas came from the sincerest place, what she wanted to do was something very dark and brutal. </p><p>I think we will see her again sometimes in the future, maybe when Steven and the Crystal Gems will find a way to show her a better way to do things... But... Maybe it will be after the war end, at a time when there will be no need for the Point Break and a time when she will be free to be herself... Maybe before... For the moment I think it's best the CG keep her bubbled and think at a way to try to change a little bit her mind. </p> </div> <p>
I agree. If a gem is perfect, then what else is there to achieve for her? She would be less interesting to the show. Look at Pearl, Garnet, Amethyst and Steven. Pearls are meant to obey a Diamond's every order yet, Pearl is independent and belongs to no one. Garnet is Ruby and Sapphire in a fusion and fusions are most likely to be used temporarily yet, Ruby and Sapphire love each other so much that their fusion, Garnet is unusually long-lasting. Amethyst was not created from the Homeworld, she came out of the earth in the Kindergarten. According to Peridot, (from the episode "Too Far") Amethyst is oddly smaller than a normal amethyst should be, but Rose told her that even if she isn't perfect, she can be whatever she wants. (just like the fish in Courage's Bathtub: "With your imperfections, you can do anything.") And lastly, Steven, the only existing half-human and half-gem. With it, he has every ability Rose had, and at the same time, live like a human should and fuse with other humans such as Connie. </p><p>Bismuth's specialty is also similar to the interesting parts of Peridot and Lapis. Peridot lost her Limb Enhancers, stuck on earth and is considered a criminial due to betraying Yellow Diamond. Lapis struggled so long her entire life: she was poofed during the Gem War (possibly Bismuth poofed her based on Lapis' memory scene), she was trapped in a mirror as her gem was damaged, she kept Jasper imprisoned underwater in order to protect Steven. Even after all of what they faced, they still ended up having a good life. </p><p>Bismuth's struggle is understanding that enemies need mercy too, so this gives us SU Fans a new opportunity to study and know more about her.    </p>

<div class="quote"><i>ZelProd wrote:
Concerning Bizmuth... She has her reason to act like that, there was some truth in that she says but... Bizmuth is the embodiment of : "The end justify the means" which is a very dangerous and wrong at core idea. Rose, Steven and all of the Crystal Gems wanted a war based upon a pacifist point of view, a war to change the mentality of Homeworld but not with pure violence and murder, but with words and by showing gems how they could live as they wish. Destroying gems who just follow orders is wrong, especially when gems can be taken down by poofing them and bubbling them and even if Bizmuth ideas came from the sincerest place, what she wanted to do was something very dark and brutal. <p>I think we will see her again sometimes in the future, maybe when Steven and the Crystal Gems will find a way to show her a better way to do things... But... Maybe it will be after the war end, at a time when there will be no need for the Point Break and a time when she will be free to be herself... Maybe before... For the moment I think it's best the CG keep her bubbled and think at a way to try to change a little bit her mind. </p> </i></div>
<p>Well put. Though personally, I feel she was at least somewhat in the right in her idea. After all, the Diamonds truly do seem too stubborn to see possibility in anything new that could potentially help their dying species (and it's clear that they are as confirmed by Peridot in Too Short to Ride), and if they won't change, it's only fair that someone changes the authority.
</p><p>The problem is that Bismuth's going about it all wrong; willing to slaughter even her own Crystal kin (cough, the final scene before she gets poofed, cough) if it means seeing her way. Of all things, Linkara from Atop the Fourth Wall said it best in 2013: </p><p>"All you're doing is threatening people if you don't get your way. And in the end, that doesn't make you a hero, that makes you a bully." The parallels go on with this, "Oh, we'll win them over eventually. We'll win hearts and minds. We <i>convince</i> people we're right, we don't <i>force</i> them to say we're right! And we sure as hell don't point a gun to their head and say 'accept it or die'!" </p><p>So with this in mind, you're probably asking, "Dino, you handsome devil, if you agree that's the case, then why are you saying she went about her plan all wrong?" Simple: The Breaking Point would be essential...if used properly. From the way she put it, she was willing to destroy anything or anyone to have her dream of a Diamond-free universe come true. </p><p>And that's never a good thing, as one wrong move could kill one of her friends if they don't agree with her decision. However, there IS a way to use it in a way so that such a thing doesn't happen: Save the Breaking Point as a very last resort. </p><p>If all else fails, the Diamonds fail to heed Steven's words, and still feel dead-set on destroying all things that aren't themselves, THEN you give them this ultimatum of a dentist drill. But even then, ONLY as that very last resort; otherwise there's way too many bad implications with such a device being used on anything other than them. </p><p>In short, it's probably for the best that Bismuth is now poofed and away from the Forge. But I wouldn't count her out just yet, after all, the Diamonds are due to arrive any season (especially if next week's episode block is to be believed), and this could be the breaking point needed (pun intended) to give Earth the fighting chance it needs against the Homeworld hoards. </p><p>Or maybe these are just the ramblings of a morning doofus. YOU DECIDE! </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Dinoboygreen wrote: </p> <div class="quote">ZelProd wrote:
Concerning Bizmuth... She has her reason to act like that, there was some truth in that she says but... Bizmuth is the embodiment of : "The end justify the means" which is a very dangerous and wrong at core idea. Rose, Steven and all of the Crystal Gems wanted a war based upon a pacifist point of view, a war to change the mentality of Homeworld but not with pure violence and murder, but with words and by showing gems how they could live as they wish. Destroying gems who just follow orders is wrong, especially when gems can be taken down by poofing them and bubbling them and even if Bizmuth ideas came from the sincerest place, what she wanted to do was something very dark and brutal. <p>I think we will see her again sometimes in the future, maybe when Steven and the Crystal Gems will find a way to show her a better way to do things... But... Maybe it will be after the war end, at a time when there will be no need for the Point Break and a time when she will be free to be herself... Maybe before... For the moment I think it's best the CG keep her bubbled and think at a way to try to change a little bit her mind. </p> </i></div>
<p>Well put. Though personally, I feel she was at least somewhat in the right in her idea. After all, the Diamonds truly do seem too stubborn to see possibility in anything new that could potentially help their dying species (and it's clear that they are as confirmed by Peridot in Too Short to Ride), and if they won't change, it's only fair that someone changes the authority.
</p><p>The problem is that Bismuth's going about it all wrong; willing to slaughter even her own Crystal kin (cough, the final scene before she gets poofed, cough) if it means seeing her way. Of all things, Linkara from Atop the Fourth Wall said it best in 2013: </p><p>"All you're doing is threatening people if you don't get your way. And in the end, that doesn't make you a hero, that makes you a bully." The parallels go on with this, "Oh, we'll win them over eventually. We'll win hearts and minds. We <i>convince</i> people we're right, we don't <i>force</i> them to say we're right! And we sure as hell don't point a gun to their head and say 'accept it or die'!" </p><p>So with this in mind, you're probably asking, "Dino, you handsome devil, if you agree that's the case, then why are you saying she went about her plan all wrong?" Simple: The Breaking Point would be essential...if used properly. From the way she put it, she was willing to destroy anything or anyone to have her dream of a Diamond-free universe come true. </p><p>And that's never a good thing, as one wrong move could kill one of her friends if they don't agree with her decision. However, there IS a way to use it in a way so that such a thing doesn't happen: Save the Breaking Point as a very last resort. </p><p>If all else fails, the Diamonds fail to heed Steven's words, and still feel dead-set on destroying all things that aren't themselves, THEN you give them this ultimatum of a dentist drill. But even then, ONLY as that very last resort; otherwise there's way too many bad implications with such a device being used on anything other than them. </p><p>In short, it's probably for the best that Bismuth is now poofed and away from the Forge. But I wouldn't count her out just yet, after all, the Diamonds are due to arrive any season (especially if next week's episode block is to be believed), and this could be the breaking point needed (pun intended) to give Earth the fighting chance it needs against the Homeworld hoards. </p><p>Or maybe these are just the ramblings of a morning doofus. YOU DECIDE! </p> </div> <p>I agree,the breaking point as a last resort doesnt sound like a bad idea.There are some people which are iredeemable and the diamonds might be those kind of people.However i belive it is unlikely the diamonds will be shattered/not redeemed since this show is about redemption anyway. </p><p>Bismuth might be needed sometime. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Another one of those fans wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>Dinoboygreen wrote: </p> <div class="quote">ZelProd wrote:
Concerning Bizmuth... She has her reason to act like that, there was some truth in that she says but... Bizmuth is the embodiment of : "The end justify the means" which is a very dangerous and wrong at core idea. Rose, Steven and all of the Crystal Gems wanted a war based upon a pacifist point of view, a war to change the mentality of Homeworld but not with pure violence and murder, but with words and by showing gems how they could live as they wish. Destroying gems who just follow orders is wrong, especially when gems can be taken down by poofing them and bubbling them and even if Bizmuth ideas came from the sincerest place, what she wanted to do was something very dark and brutal. <p>I think we will see her again sometimes in the future, maybe when Steven and the Crystal Gems will find a way to show her a better way to do things... But... Maybe it will be after the war end, at a time when there will be no need for the Point Break and a time when she will be free to be herself... Maybe before... For the moment I think it's best the CG keep her bubbled and think at a way to try to change a little bit her mind. </p> </i></div>
Well put. Though personally, I feel she was at least somewhat in the right in her idea. After all, the Diamonds truly do seem too stubborn to see possibility in anything new that could potentially help their dying species (and it's clear that they are as confirmed by Peridot in Too Short to Ride), and if they won't change, it's only fair that someone changes the authority.
<p>The problem is that Bismuth's going about it all wrong; willing to slaughter even her own Crystal kin (cough, the final scene before she gets poofed, cough) if it means seeing her way. Of all things, Linkara from Atop the Fourth Wall said it best in 2013: </p><p>"All you're doing is threatening people if you don't get your way. And in the end, that doesn't make you a hero, that makes you a bully." The parallels go on with this, "Oh, we'll win them over eventually. We'll win hearts and minds. We <i>convince</i> people we're right, we don't <i>force</i> them to say we're right! And we sure as hell don't point a gun to their head and say 'accept it or die'!" </p><p>So with this in mind, you're probably asking, "Dino, you handsome devil, if you agree that's the case, then why are you saying she went about her plan all wrong?" Simple: The Breaking Point would be essential...if used properly. From the way she put it, she was willing to destroy anything or anyone to have her dream of a Diamond-free universe come true. </p><p>And that's never a good thing, as one wrong move could kill one of her friends if they don't agree with her decision. However, there IS a way to use it in a way so that such a thing doesn't happen: Save the Breaking Point as a very last resort. </p><p>If all else fails, the Diamonds fail to heed Steven's words, and still feel dead-set on destroying all things that aren't themselves, THEN you give them this ultimatum of a dentist drill. But even then, ONLY as that very last resort; otherwise there's way too many bad implications with such a device being used on anything other than them. </p><p>In short, it's probably for the best that Bismuth is now poofed and away from the Forge. But I wouldn't count her out just yet, after all, the Diamonds are due to arrive any season (especially if next week's episode block is to be believed), and this could be the breaking point needed (pun intended) to give Earth the fighting chance it needs against the Homeworld hoards. </p><p>Or maybe these are just the ramblings of a morning doofus. YOU DECIDE! </p> </div>I agree,the breaking point as a last resort doesnt sound like a bad idea.There are some people which are iredeemable and the diamonds might be those kind of people.However i belive it is unlikely the diamonds will be shattered/not redeemed since this show is about redemption anyway. <p>Bismuth might be needed sometime. </p> </div> <p>
Agreed, though I don't hold my breath in the Diamond's case. Peridot I can believe as redeemable (even before her redemption), Lapis I could believe (she technically wasn't evil, just misguided), I could EVEN believe Jasper could reform (since, as much as I love to chastise her Ahab-like behavior, she isn't too beyond hope, and doesn't have much else to lose at this point, say for her dignity. And even then, I think THAT went out the window last week with Alone at Sea). </p><p>But the Diamonds? These are the same Diamonds that refused to listen to Rose Quartz, insisted on killing off Earth's life in exchange for their own (as for their resource issues, that's THEIR fault for poor decision-making), made some kind of secret weapon (presumably on the moon, as the next week's title indicates) that corrupts Gems through some apparent song as Steven put it, didn't even bother to make sure their own troops weren't still on Earth when this went on, and gave Earth a bonus 'up yours' courtesy of the Cluster. Oh, and did I forget to mention that according to the staff, it's highly likely that they've done this to countless other worlds across the galaxy, if not the universe? </p><p>In short, they're too set in their ways to think differently. Well, okay, we MIGHT get something decent from Blue Diamond/White Diamond, but the head honcho of Yellow Diamond wouldn't compromise if her life depended on it. </p>

<p>Why didn't they tell bismuth about the big corruption thing that happened on the final day of the war? You know, the big flashing light and possibly song that the diamonds used to corrupt all remaining gems on earth as a last resort? That seems like a crucial detail, and if homeworld was retreating, that really was the only reason THAT many crystal gems "dissapeared" at the end of the war. In other words, saying to bismuth "they wiped us out", is actually a lie, seeing as how a bunch of crystal gems were obviously corrupted and therefore, still alive in a different form. </p>