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<p>Aquamarine used to be somebody important. She was high ranking and elite. Plus, she was admired for bringing the traitor, "Rose Quartz" back to Homeworld.
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Then, suddenly, all that was gone. She is no longer loved and admired for being an Aquamarine. The Diamonds used to think very highly of her and give her important missions. Now they listen to Steven instead. Now she's no longer a big deal just because she's an Aquamarine. Now she's ordinary. </p><p>
And she does not like that one bit. She hates Steven because she blames him for taking away her status and importance and the admiration she used to receive. </p>
Then, suddenly, all that was gone. She is no longer loved and admired for being an Aquamarine. The Diamonds used to think very highly of her and give her important missions. Now they listen to Steven instead. Now she's no longer a big deal just because she's an Aquamarine. Now she's ordinary. </p><p>
And she does not like that one bit. She hates Steven because she blames him for taking away her status and importance and the admiration she used to receive. </p>
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<p>Just out of curiosity, where did you hear about the names of the songs? I’d really like to check it out for myself.
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</p><p>When Blue Diamond talks of "taking away" Pinks pearl in Change Your Mind, I think she means the Crystal Gems Pearl and not Pink Pearl as many have assumed. From the event described by Blue it happened after Pink was given her colony, which means Crystal Gems Pearl was her pearl at the time.
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<p>It didn’t happen after Pink was given her colony. The rainbow worm was a pet from a kyanite colony. Kyanite is a type of gem, and Earth wasn’t a kyanite colony, as the first gems produced there weren’t kyanites—-they were Amethysts, which were quartzes. </p>
<p>It didn’t happen after Pink was given her colony. The rainbow worm was a pet from a kyanite colony. Kyanite is a type of gem, and Earth wasn’t a kyanite colony, as the first gems produced there weren’t kyanites—-they were Amethysts, which were quartzes. </p>
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<p>TheOffColors wrote:
She's just a Jasper. Just the standard type. If she wwere a Noreena Jasper, then she'd be referred to as "Noreena" by other gems.
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<p>But in the zoo arc, Amethyst says, “Skinny’s a jasper!” Amethyst doesn’t call her a Noreena. And none of the other Jaspers at the zoo are explicitly called “Noreena”, either. </p>
<p>But in the zoo arc, Amethyst says, “Skinny’s a jasper!” Amethyst doesn’t call her a Noreena. And none of the other Jaspers at the zoo are explicitly called “Noreena”, either. </p>
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<p>Well, considering that Pink spent millennia going, “Being a Diamond is really boring. I’d much rather live as Rose Quartz. Plus, humans are awesome because, unlike gems, they don’t have a built in purpose” I can’t really see her telling Steven he has to be a monarch.
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Many people are saying Yellow Diamond and her court are the more militaristic types but that might only be as a technological standpoint. I feel Pink Diamond's gems were truly bred as warriors. Yellow Diamond's gems might take on a more high technological military but Pink Diamond's gems seem to cultivate a more warrior like culture. But they also seem more rebellious than any other gems as well which makes them seem more like vikings than knights of a kingdom. <p>Pink Diamond's gems </p><p>Amethysts: Amethysts as shown are a very rough tough lot and seem to be used as foot soldiers of the gem society many of them having a robust V shaped build. </p><p>Rose Quartz: Only judging by Steven's mother, they seem to prefer the sword and shield combo and are considered incredible hand to hand fighters rivalling Jasper. Not only that Rose Quartz's abilities are Pink Diamond's abilities which would imply Pink Diamond fights a lot more like a warrior than standing back shooting lightning or lasers. </p><p>Jasper: Probably the best example of why Pink Diamond's court is more warrior oriented. Jasper revels in fighting and war and to be the best. So far she seems to possess the most skill in hand to hand combat with great strength to match and she knows this. It took a fusion to beat her in hand to hand combat like Garnet, Stevonnie or Smokey Quartz. What's interesting about Jasper is despite how rebellious and bloodthirsty she was she still had steadfast loyalty to Pink Diamond and respected her. Even under command of Yellow Diamond, one would think she would swear allegiance toward a Diamond with such a headstrong attitude towards conquest, Jasper never really gave her the same allegiance as she does with Pink in fact she was already ready to ignore her orders and go looking for Rose Quartz. </p><p>
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Yellow Diamond's gems </p><p>Topaz: Doesn't really seem to possess any hand to hand skill and would just fuse over people to capture them mostly used as sort of a trap vessel. Personality wise she doesn't seem to have a very warrior like sense and merely takes orders. </p><p>Peridot: She seems more like an engineer or pilot than a warrior caring more about technological details than engaging in combat. She doesn't seem to have much skill in combat unless aided by high technological weaponry. </p> </i></div>
<p>Are you assuming that each type of gem was only made specifically for each diamond (aside from pearls)? </p> </div> <p>In fact, we’ve actually seen one gem type—-Nephrite—-who was part of Yellow and Pink’s courts. Yellow Diamond was speaking to Nephrite XJ Cut 763 and Centipeetle, Nephrite Facet 413 Cabochon 12, belonged to Pink Diamond. </p>
Many people are saying Yellow Diamond and her court are the more militaristic types but that might only be as a technological standpoint. I feel Pink Diamond's gems were truly bred as warriors. Yellow Diamond's gems might take on a more high technological military but Pink Diamond's gems seem to cultivate a more warrior like culture. But they also seem more rebellious than any other gems as well which makes them seem more like vikings than knights of a kingdom. <p>Pink Diamond's gems </p><p>Amethysts: Amethysts as shown are a very rough tough lot and seem to be used as foot soldiers of the gem society many of them having a robust V shaped build. </p><p>Rose Quartz: Only judging by Steven's mother, they seem to prefer the sword and shield combo and are considered incredible hand to hand fighters rivalling Jasper. Not only that Rose Quartz's abilities are Pink Diamond's abilities which would imply Pink Diamond fights a lot more like a warrior than standing back shooting lightning or lasers. </p><p>Jasper: Probably the best example of why Pink Diamond's court is more warrior oriented. Jasper revels in fighting and war and to be the best. So far she seems to possess the most skill in hand to hand combat with great strength to match and she knows this. It took a fusion to beat her in hand to hand combat like Garnet, Stevonnie or Smokey Quartz. What's interesting about Jasper is despite how rebellious and bloodthirsty she was she still had steadfast loyalty to Pink Diamond and respected her. Even under command of Yellow Diamond, one would think she would swear allegiance toward a Diamond with such a headstrong attitude towards conquest, Jasper never really gave her the same allegiance as she does with Pink in fact she was already ready to ignore her orders and go looking for Rose Quartz. </p><p>
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Yellow Diamond's gems </p><p>Topaz: Doesn't really seem to possess any hand to hand skill and would just fuse over people to capture them mostly used as sort of a trap vessel. Personality wise she doesn't seem to have a very warrior like sense and merely takes orders. </p><p>Peridot: She seems more like an engineer or pilot than a warrior caring more about technological details than engaging in combat. She doesn't seem to have much skill in combat unless aided by high technological weaponry. </p> </i></div>
<p>Are you assuming that each type of gem was only made specifically for each diamond (aside from pearls)? </p> </div> <p>In fact, we’ve actually seen one gem type—-Nephrite—-who was part of Yellow and Pink’s courts. Yellow Diamond was speaking to Nephrite XJ Cut 763 and Centipeetle, Nephrite Facet 413 Cabochon 12, belonged to Pink Diamond. </p>
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<p>The closest we’ll probably get to seeing an episode from Garnet’s POV would be if Garnet told Steven a story about something that happened when he wasn’t there.
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<p>Everything is seen from Steven’s point of view. The only way we get things that Steven doesn’t experience is when someone tells Steven what happened.
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<p>Yes, both of those are true.
</p><p>But we know that the shattering was faked. So I’m not sure why that would mean that Bismuth made the sword before the rebellion. After all, the rebellion went on for about a thousand years before Pink Diamond was shattered. In fact, her shattering is what leads to the end of the rebellion since it, according to Garnet, is what causes the other Diamonds to unleash the corruption attack.
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<p>But the sword wasn’t made before the rebellion. Before the rebellion, Bismuth was on Earth making the various types of structures that the Homeworld elites used. She then met Rose, decided to rebel and forge weapons for the rebellion, including Rose’s sword.
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<p>It was a reference to Disney’s Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs. Doc was the leader of the dwarfs, just like Ruby Doc is the leader of the rubies.
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<p>Each of the Crystal Gems had their own idea of what Baby Steven was. Amethyst thought he was Rose shapeshifting, Garnet thought he was a fusion, and Pearl thought he was a human baby that was preventing Rose from reforming.
</p><p>When a gem is trapped in an object, it can’t reform. For example, Lapis and the mirror. Since Rose had a baby around her, she couldn’t reform. But if Pearl pulled out Rose’s gem, then she’d be able to reform.
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<p>And why is a Ruby, who was fooled by a shapeshifted Gem, the star witness? Why not the Gems from her entourage?
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<p>Because Eyeball was not there to testify that Rose Quartz shattered Pink Diamond. Eyeball was there to testify that Steven and Rose Quartz were the same person. Remember, Zircon called Eyeball as a witness because “this thing doesn’t look like a Rose Quartz” and then Eyeball testified that Steven told her he was Rose Quartz. </p>
<p>Because Eyeball was not there to testify that Rose Quartz shattered Pink Diamond. Eyeball was there to testify that Steven and Rose Quartz were the same person. Remember, Zircon called Eyeball as a witness because “this thing doesn’t look like a Rose Quartz” and then Eyeball testified that Steven told her he was Rose Quartz. </p>
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<p>Ed486 wrote:
You assume every character has to learn these things. Forcing Steven to deal with the fact that he can't change everyone is more important than Peridot Redemption Arc 2.0.
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I agree, like we've discussed before, you can't redeem everyone no matter how much the fandom wants it, Steven can't save eyeball, he couldn't save bismuth, and he certainly can't save Jasper, it's too late for those three. </div> <p>But why can't he save them? Why can't they be helped? He tried to help each of them exactly one time. Granted, that failed, but it was only once. Lapis herself refused his help at least twice -- during Ocean Gem, Steven, at the bottom of the tower, offered to help her. She screamed "no!", ordered him to leave her alone, and then attacked the Crystal Gems. Did Steven give up? No. He found a way to her, and healed her. Then, during Chille Tid, Lapis told him that she didn't want his help. Did he listen to her then? No. Thanks to his help, the Crystal Gems were able to separate Malachite. </p><p>Not to mention his constant concern for Peridot when she was running around the planet, trying to kill the Crystal Gems and get off the Earth before it exploded. </p><p>But somehow Jasper only gets one try, and it's too late for her? She's doomed to be corrupted and bubbled for all eternity? That's supposed to teach him that he can't save everybody? </p><p>Peridot took forever to change her ways, and she still has some Homeworld biases, such as believing that Amethyst was superior to Jasper because she came from the better Kindergarten. Steven didn't give her one half-hearted attempt at changing her ways and then give up. He stuck with her. But, so far, the only thing even remotely close to Steven even thinking that Jasper could change was when Stevonnie ordered Jasper to apologize. But Jasper's supposed to be the proof that some people can't change? </p><p>No. </p>
I agree, like we've discussed before, you can't redeem everyone no matter how much the fandom wants it, Steven can't save eyeball, he couldn't save bismuth, and he certainly can't save Jasper, it's too late for those three. </div> <p>But why can't he save them? Why can't they be helped? He tried to help each of them exactly one time. Granted, that failed, but it was only once. Lapis herself refused his help at least twice -- during Ocean Gem, Steven, at the bottom of the tower, offered to help her. She screamed "no!", ordered him to leave her alone, and then attacked the Crystal Gems. Did Steven give up? No. He found a way to her, and healed her. Then, during Chille Tid, Lapis told him that she didn't want his help. Did he listen to her then? No. Thanks to his help, the Crystal Gems were able to separate Malachite. </p><p>Not to mention his constant concern for Peridot when she was running around the planet, trying to kill the Crystal Gems and get off the Earth before it exploded. </p><p>But somehow Jasper only gets one try, and it's too late for her? She's doomed to be corrupted and bubbled for all eternity? That's supposed to teach him that he can't save everybody? </p><p>Peridot took forever to change her ways, and she still has some Homeworld biases, such as believing that Amethyst was superior to Jasper because she came from the better Kindergarten. Steven didn't give her one half-hearted attempt at changing her ways and then give up. He stuck with her. But, so far, the only thing even remotely close to Steven even thinking that Jasper could change was when Stevonnie ordered Jasper to apologize. But Jasper's supposed to be the proof that some people can't change? </p><p>No. </p>
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<p>Ed486 wrote:
Her getting corrupted was the payoff for her completed story. She's a tragic villain.
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<p>You're not making any sense. Rebecca and Crewniverse aren't going to waste a character like that. </p> </div> <p>It would only be a waste if they invalidated her complete story arc by bringing her back for no reason. </p> </div> <p>But she hasn't had a complete story arc. <i>Her</i> arc has barely even begun. She has been a part of the arcs of other characters, such as Lapis and Amethyst, however. </p><p>Jasper hasn't learned love. She hasn't learned respect. She hasn't learned that she can be more than just a Quartz soldier. She has so much more to do, and that can't happen if she's corrupted and bubbled. </p>
<p>You're not making any sense. Rebecca and Crewniverse aren't going to waste a character like that. </p> </div> <p>It would only be a waste if they invalidated her complete story arc by bringing her back for no reason. </p> </div> <p>But she hasn't had a complete story arc. <i>Her</i> arc has barely even begun. She has been a part of the arcs of other characters, such as Lapis and Amethyst, however. </p><p>Jasper hasn't learned love. She hasn't learned respect. She hasn't learned that she can be more than just a Quartz soldier. She has so much more to do, and that can't happen if she's corrupted and bubbled. </p>
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<p>Well, unlike humans, a baby couldn't just happen. She had to shapeshift the necessary organs, including a uterus and umbilical cord. But if she wanted to just make love, a uterus would not have been necessary for that.
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<p>MPHopcroft1 wrote:
I view Jasper as a monster, especially in the moral sense. Her attempt to convince Lapis to resume being Malachite sounded very much like the attempts of an abusive partner to win back her victim -- so she could dominate her again
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<p>But that makes no sense. Jasper wasn't the abusive partner in Malachite. Lapis was. Lapis was the one who dragged Jasper into the sea to she could have her own prisoner. ("I'm done being everyone's prisoner! Now you're my prisoner and I'm never letting you go!" Lapis was the one in complete control of thefusion up until <i>Super Watermelon Island</i> and even then Jasper never dominated Lapis, but instead <i>asked</i> Lapis to work with her. Lapis was the one who said that she <i>liked</i> "taking everything out on" Jasper. Lapis confessed that she enjoyed abusing Jasper, using her as a scapegoat for everything that Lapis had been through, including things, such as being poofed, put in the mirror, interrogated, left on Earth, stuck in Pearl's gem, finding out that Homeworld had changed, and Peridot bringing her back to Earth, that Jasper had absolutely nothing to do with. So how in the world could anybody reasonably conclude that Lapis is the victim, and Jasper the abuser? </p>
<p>But that makes no sense. Jasper wasn't the abusive partner in Malachite. Lapis was. Lapis was the one who dragged Jasper into the sea to she could have her own prisoner. ("I'm done being everyone's prisoner! Now you're my prisoner and I'm never letting you go!" Lapis was the one in complete control of thefusion up until <i>Super Watermelon Island</i> and even then Jasper never dominated Lapis, but instead <i>asked</i> Lapis to work with her. Lapis was the one who said that she <i>liked</i> "taking everything out on" Jasper. Lapis confessed that she enjoyed abusing Jasper, using her as a scapegoat for everything that Lapis had been through, including things, such as being poofed, put in the mirror, interrogated, left on Earth, stuck in Pearl's gem, finding out that Homeworld had changed, and Peridot bringing her back to Earth, that Jasper had absolutely nothing to do with. So how in the world could anybody reasonably conclude that Lapis is the victim, and Jasper the abuser? </p>
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<p>Diamonds may be hard, but they also have planes of cleavage they can easily fracture along. Hardness simply refers to how easy it is for a substance to be scratched, and has nothing to do with how easy it is for the substance to be broken. My personal headcanon is that Rose struck Pink Diamond in the exact right way to shatter her. In other words, if she had been a zillionth of a millimeter off, she would have failed.
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<div class="quote">Sedorna wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>Dinoboygreen wrote: FINALLY! Someone else gets it! Look, people around here can make the argument that Lapis and Peridot <i>technically </i>did worse than her, but here's my conundrum: While that may be the case, both Peridot and Lapis gave me a reason to like them. </p><p>Peridot was enjoyably quirky, and actually wants to learn more about things beyond the Homeworld dogma. </p><p>Lapis was just a technical civilian framed by her own kind and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. And besides, she proved herself to not be a malicious being. </p><p>Jasper, on the other hand, has given me NO reason to like her at any point thus far. She's arrogant, ignorant, self-centered, has a voice that sounds like if Effie from Fire Emblem smoked a 4 packs of cigarettes a day, and clearly only cares about being a destructive, hateful brute. Heck, she openly admitted to BEING one! </p><p>Rebecca said recently that her reasoning is that she feels she doesn't deserve help. Well, all due respect to Rebecca, I'm glad SHE sees that, but me, I see Denethor from Lord of the Rings meets Eva from Total Drama. </p><p>And frankly, I don't see much of a reason for people to like, love, or even love to hate her! She was a bad seed since her inception, and I get the feeling she'll stay that way. </p><p>In short, she's a horrid excuse for a warrior, she's just like the corrupted beasts she collected, and deserves her fate as a poofed, desheveled mess! </p> </i></div>
<p>Hmmmm...I don't think it's right to say that Lapis was <i>framed</i> by Homeworld, since we don't know why Homeworld assumed that she was a Crystal Gem. It may be that they had a genuine reason for assuming that she was. </p><p>And Lapis, though she is growing and developing, has been malicious. At least, I'd consider torturing somebody for months for the sins of others ("I took everything out on you") to be rather malicious. Yes, I will admit that she had been through a lot, and was in pain, but that doesn't make her actions any less malicious. </p><p>And Peridot did not show any desire to learn more about anything outside of Homeworld dogma until she was forced to work with the Crystal Gems to save her own ass. And even during that time, she was still adamantly pro Homeworld. Heck, she and Lapis both still miss Homeworld. </p><p>Both Peridot and Lapis have been given a chance to change, to grow and develop, to better themselves. Jasper -- who constantly asks why, who knows Rose Quartz as the person who shattered her Diamond, and who may have been literally fighting for her life since the second she was born -- hasn't. To look at Jasper, and decide she's innately bad and evil, is wrong. </p> </div> <p>No offense, pal, but I have a REAL hard time believing that. If both Blue and Yellow Diamond are of ANY indication; what with them acting highly irrationally over new info that could potentially help them, denouncing any opinion that's not theirs as inferior, and killing anyone who thinks differently, I frankly am in NO mood to hear those genocidal monsters out. </p>
<div class="quote"> <p>Dinoboygreen wrote: FINALLY! Someone else gets it! Look, people around here can make the argument that Lapis and Peridot <i>technically </i>did worse than her, but here's my conundrum: While that may be the case, both Peridot and Lapis gave me a reason to like them. </p><p>Peridot was enjoyably quirky, and actually wants to learn more about things beyond the Homeworld dogma. </p><p>Lapis was just a technical civilian framed by her own kind and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. And besides, she proved herself to not be a malicious being. </p><p>Jasper, on the other hand, has given me NO reason to like her at any point thus far. She's arrogant, ignorant, self-centered, has a voice that sounds like if Effie from Fire Emblem smoked a 4 packs of cigarettes a day, and clearly only cares about being a destructive, hateful brute. Heck, she openly admitted to BEING one! </p><p>Rebecca said recently that her reasoning is that she feels she doesn't deserve help. Well, all due respect to Rebecca, I'm glad SHE sees that, but me, I see Denethor from Lord of the Rings meets Eva from Total Drama. </p><p>And frankly, I don't see much of a reason for people to like, love, or even love to hate her! She was a bad seed since her inception, and I get the feeling she'll stay that way. </p><p>In short, she's a horrid excuse for a warrior, she's just like the corrupted beasts she collected, and deserves her fate as a poofed, desheveled mess! </p> </i></div>
<p>Hmmmm...I don't think it's right to say that Lapis was <i>framed</i> by Homeworld, since we don't know why Homeworld assumed that she was a Crystal Gem. It may be that they had a genuine reason for assuming that she was. </p><p>And Lapis, though she is growing and developing, has been malicious. At least, I'd consider torturing somebody for months for the sins of others ("I took everything out on you") to be rather malicious. Yes, I will admit that she had been through a lot, and was in pain, but that doesn't make her actions any less malicious. </p><p>And Peridot did not show any desire to learn more about anything outside of Homeworld dogma until she was forced to work with the Crystal Gems to save her own ass. And even during that time, she was still adamantly pro Homeworld. Heck, she and Lapis both still miss Homeworld. </p><p>Both Peridot and Lapis have been given a chance to change, to grow and develop, to better themselves. Jasper -- who constantly asks why, who knows Rose Quartz as the person who shattered her Diamond, and who may have been literally fighting for her life since the second she was born -- hasn't. To look at Jasper, and decide she's innately bad and evil, is wrong. </p> </div> <p>No offense, pal, but I have a REAL hard time believing that. If both Blue and Yellow Diamond are of ANY indication; what with them acting highly irrationally over new info that could potentially help them, denouncing any opinion that's not theirs as inferior, and killing anyone who thinks differently, I frankly am in NO mood to hear those genocidal monsters out. </p>
<div class="quote"> <p>Dinoboygreen wrote: FINALLY! Someone else gets it! Look, people around here can make the argument that Lapis and Peridot <i>technically </i>did worse than her, but here's my conundrum: While that may be the case, both Peridot and Lapis gave me a reason to like them. </p><p>Peridot was enjoyably quirky, and actually wants to learn more about things beyond the Homeworld dogma. </p><p>Lapis was just a technical civilian framed by her own kind and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. And besides, she proved herself to not be a malicious being. </p><p>Jasper, on the other hand, has given me NO reason to like her at any point thus far. She's arrogant, ignorant, self-centered, has a voice that sounds like if Effie from Fire Emblem smoked a 4 packs of cigarettes a day, and clearly only cares about being a destructive, hateful brute. Heck, she openly admitted to BEING one! </p><p>Rebecca said recently that her reasoning is that she feels she doesn't deserve help. Well, all due respect to Rebecca, I'm glad SHE sees that, but me, I see Denethor from Lord of the Rings meets Eva from Total Drama. </p><p>And frankly, I don't see much of a reason for people to like, love, or even love to hate her! She was a bad seed since her inception, and I get the feeling she'll stay that way. </p><p>In short, she's a horrid excuse for a warrior, she's just like the corrupted beasts she collected, and deserves her fate as a poofed, desheveled mess! </p> </i></div>
<p>Hmmmm...I don't think it's right to say that Lapis was <i>framed</i> by Homeworld, since we don't know why Homeworld assumed that she was a Crystal Gem. It may be that they had a genuine reason for assuming that she was. </p><p>And Lapis, though she is growing and developing, has been malicious. At least, I'd consider torturing somebody for months for the sins of others ("I took everything out on you") to be rather malicious. Yes, I will admit that she had been through a lot, and was in pain, but that doesn't make her actions any less malicious. </p><p>And Peridot did not show any desire to learn more about anything outside of Homeworld dogma until she was forced to work with the Crystal Gems to save her own ass. And even during that time, she was still adamantly pro Homeworld. Heck, she and Lapis both still miss Homeworld. </p><p>Both Peridot and Lapis have been given a chance to change, to grow and develop, to better themselves. Jasper -- who constantly asks why, who knows Rose Quartz as the person who shattered her Diamond, and who may have been literally fighting for her life since the second she was born -- hasn't. To look at Jasper, and decide she's innately bad and evil, is wrong. </p> </div> <p>No offense, pal, but I have a REAL hard time believing that. If both Blue and Yellow Diamond are of ANY indication; what with them acting highly irrationally over new info that could potentially help them, denouncing any opinion that's not theirs as inferior, and killing anyone who thinks differently, I frankly am in NO mood to hear those genocidal monsters out. </p>
- ahem* May I remind you that such was due to the actions of a bigoted, prejudiced warmonger who can't see past the horrendous actions of her superiors? She was being a martyr for Steven, not a malicious demon. Now, I will grant you that you CAN make that argument for pre-The Return (Ocean and Mirror Gem weren't exactly her finest moments), but what you're saying doesn't make Jasper any less of a maligned fool.
<div class="quote"> <p>Dinoboygreen wrote: FINALLY! Someone else gets it! Look, people around here can make the argument that Lapis and Peridot <i>technically </i>did worse than her, but here's my conundrum: While that may be the case, both Peridot and Lapis gave me a reason to like them. </p><p>Peridot was enjoyably quirky, and actually wants to learn more about things beyond the Homeworld dogma. </p><p>Lapis was just a technical civilian framed by her own kind and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. And besides, she proved herself to not be a malicious being. </p><p>Jasper, on the other hand, has given me NO reason to like her at any point thus far. She's arrogant, ignorant, self-centered, has a voice that sounds like if Effie from Fire Emblem smoked a 4 packs of cigarettes a day, and clearly only cares about being a destructive, hateful brute. Heck, she openly admitted to BEING one! </p><p>Rebecca said recently that her reasoning is that she feels she doesn't deserve help. Well, all due respect to Rebecca, I'm glad SHE sees that, but me, I see Denethor from Lord of the Rings meets Eva from Total Drama. </p><p>And frankly, I don't see much of a reason for people to like, love, or even love to hate her! She was a bad seed since her inception, and I get the feeling she'll stay that way. </p><p>In short, she's a horrid excuse for a warrior, she's just like the corrupted beasts she collected, and deserves her fate as a poofed, desheveled mess! </p> </i></div>
<p>Hmmmm...I don't think it's right to say that Lapis was <i>framed</i> by Homeworld, since we don't know why Homeworld assumed that she was a Crystal Gem. It may be that they had a genuine reason for assuming that she was. </p><p>And Lapis, though she is growing and developing, has been malicious. At least, I'd consider torturing somebody for months for the sins of others ("I took everything out on you") to be rather malicious. Yes, I will admit that she had been through a lot, and was in pain, but that doesn't make her actions any less malicious. </p><p>And Peridot did not show any desire to learn more about anything outside of Homeworld dogma until she was forced to work with the Crystal Gems to save her own ass. And even during that time, she was still adamantly pro Homeworld. Heck, she and Lapis both still miss Homeworld. </p><p>Both Peridot and Lapis have been given a chance to change, to grow and develop, to better themselves. Jasper -- who constantly asks why, who knows Rose Quartz as the person who shattered her Diamond, and who may have been literally fighting for her life since the second she was born -- hasn't. To look at Jasper, and decide she's innately bad and evil, is wrong. </p> </div> <p>No offense, pal, but I have a REAL hard time believing that. If both Blue and Yellow Diamond are of ANY indication; what with them acting highly irrationally over new info that could potentially help them, denouncing any opinion that's not theirs as inferior, and killing anyone who thinks differently, I frankly am in NO mood to hear those genocidal monsters out. </p>
- ahem* May I remind you that such was due to the actions of a bigoted, prejudiced warmonger who can't see past the horrendous actions of her superiors? She was being a martyr for Steven, not a malicious demon. Now, I will grant you that you CAN make that argument for pre-The Return (Ocean and Mirror Gem weren't exactly her finest moments), but what you're saying doesn't make Jasper any less of a maligned fool.
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<p>Dinoboygreen wrote:
FINALLY! Someone else gets it! Look, people around here can make the argument that Lapis and Peridot <i>technically </i>did worse than her, but here's my conundrum: While that may be the case, both Peridot and Lapis gave me a reason to like them.
</p><p>Peridot was enjoyably quirky, and actually wants to learn more about things beyond the Homeworld dogma.
</p><p>Lapis was just a technical civilian framed by her own kind and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. And besides, she proved herself to not be a malicious being.
</p><p>Jasper, on the other hand, has given me NO reason to like her at any point thus far. She's arrogant, ignorant, self-centered, has a voice that sounds like if Effie from Fire Emblem smoked a 4 packs of cigarettes a day, and clearly only cares about being a destructive, hateful brute. Heck, she openly admitted to BEING one!
</p><p>Rebecca said recently that her reasoning is that she feels she doesn't deserve help. Well, all due respect to Rebecca, I'm glad SHE sees that, but me, I see Denethor from Lord of the Rings meets Eva from Total Drama.
</p><p>And frankly, I don't see much of a reason for people to like, love, or even love to hate her! She was a bad seed since her inception, and I get the feeling she'll stay that way.
</p><p>In short, she's a horrid excuse for a warrior, she's just like the corrupted beasts she collected, and deserves her fate as a poofed, desheveled mess!
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<p>Hmmmm...I don't think it's right to say that Lapis was <i>framed</i> by Homeworld, since we don't know why Homeworld assumed that she was a Crystal Gem. It may be that they had a genuine reason for assuming that she was. </p><p>And Lapis, though she is growing and developing, has been malicious. At least, I'd consider torturing somebody for months for the sins of others ("I took everything out on you") to be rather malicious. Yes, I will admit that she had been through a lot, and was in pain, but that doesn't make her actions any less malicious. </p><p>And Peridot did not show any desire to learn more about anything outside of Homeworld dogma until she was forced to work with the Crystal Gems to save her own ass. And even during that time, she was still adamantly pro Homeworld. Heck, she and Lapis both still miss Homeworld. </p><p>Both Peridot and Lapis have been given a chance to change, to grow and develop, to better themselves. Jasper -- who constantly asks why, who knows Rose Quartz as the person who shattered her Diamond, and who may have been literally fighting for her life since the second she was born -- hasn't. To look at Jasper, and decide she's innately bad and evil, is wrong. </p>
<p>Hmmmm...I don't think it's right to say that Lapis was <i>framed</i> by Homeworld, since we don't know why Homeworld assumed that she was a Crystal Gem. It may be that they had a genuine reason for assuming that she was. </p><p>And Lapis, though she is growing and developing, has been malicious. At least, I'd consider torturing somebody for months for the sins of others ("I took everything out on you") to be rather malicious. Yes, I will admit that she had been through a lot, and was in pain, but that doesn't make her actions any less malicious. </p><p>And Peridot did not show any desire to learn more about anything outside of Homeworld dogma until she was forced to work with the Crystal Gems to save her own ass. And even during that time, she was still adamantly pro Homeworld. Heck, she and Lapis both still miss Homeworld. </p><p>Both Peridot and Lapis have been given a chance to change, to grow and develop, to better themselves. Jasper -- who constantly asks why, who knows Rose Quartz as the person who shattered her Diamond, and who may have been literally fighting for her life since the second she was born -- hasn't. To look at Jasper, and decide she's innately bad and evil, is wrong. </p>
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