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<p>I thought it was odd that this reveal (an expected one, but news nonetheless) came at the end of an interview about a vinyl release, of all things. </p><p>It was almost overshadowed by SDCC soon after. I don't think Jasper or Bismuth came up even once during the panel... Oh wait, aside from, well, I'm too lazy to check the spoilers policy here. But yes, if you saw it you'd know. </p><p>Still, it's wonderful to hear this from Sugar herself. Especially for her feelings on Jasper, given that she has quite the hatebase in the fandom. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>XxGaiaXx wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Toucanox wrote:
This is mighty relevant to the thread - looking back at the color wheel with a bit more clarity, in part thanks to R.Sugar herself: <p>http://toucanox.tumblr.com/post/147378474623/if-you-wrap-around-the-visible-light-spectrum-and </p><p>SU is shaping up to be <i>Opposites Attract: The Animated Series</i> </p> </i></div>
<p>I saw that. I love your posts on Tumblr. </p><p>Yeah. Ruby and Sapphire are oppisites in personality and color, same with Steven and Connie. And Peridot and Amethyst too. Rupphire and Stevonnie have been confirmed in some way. </p> </div> <p>Thanks! They're infrequent but I try. And a quick thanks to Pearlen too who also comes to this thread, for reblogging it. </p><p>High hopes for <i>Too Short To Ride</i> getting the ball (heh) moving between Peri and Amethyst </p>

<p>This is mighty relevant to the thread - looking back at the color wheel with a bit more clarity, in part thanks to R.Sugar herself: </p><p>http://toucanox.tumblr.com/post/147378474623/if-you-wrap-around-the-visible-light-spectrum-and </p><p>SU is shaping up to be <i>Opposites Attract: The Animated Series</i> </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>XxGaiaXx wrote: Also </p><p>http://toucanox.tumblr.com/post/144901292838/amedot-as-noticed-by-professional-reviewers </p><p>http://christiantimes.com/article/steven-universe-season-3-ruby-and-sapphire-episode-takes-on-lgbt-vibes-an-early-life-lesson-on-acceptance-of-wider-sphere-of-sexuality/56925.htm </p><p>Even the media/professinal reviewers notice something going on between them. </p> </i></div>
<p>That's right! There are even MORE review sites that pointed out Amedot undertones that I didn't even add to that list yet..if I can dig them up again anyway </p><p>I haven't seen any of them say such things about Barn Mates (not hating, just stating) </p>

But there is no upcoming episode called "Jasper's Redemption" let alone "Jaspa's Redemption" lol

<div class="quote"><i> <p>UrieIsLife wrote: True, thanks for clearing that up. Any thoughts on where she did end up? *no spoilers* ~only speculation plz~ </p> </i></div>
<p>I think she fell right into ocean, Mask Island was rocking on the waves after all </p>

<p>Same, so even the rare and unlikely ships can get moments. No one loses! </p>

What if no ships became canon and they just kept teasing them instead

<p>If Amedot doesn't happen, then I'm thinkin no peri or amethyst ship will </p>

<p>With all my heart. </p><p>(how cheesy) </p>

Now do Jasper

<div class="quote"><i> <p>LionGuy97 wrote: </p> <div class="quote">Toucanox wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>Sedorna wrote: </p><p>
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</p> <div class="quote"> <p>LionGuy97 wrote: Guys, I honestly believe that Jasper will not be getting a redemption. She is , for lack of better terms, "too far gone" to be redeemed. She was there during the original Gem Rebellion War, and was on Homeworld's side then, so she isn't gonna change her mind all of a sudden. Her loyalty lies with YD and Homeworld. She whole-heartedly believes that Homeworld is in the right. </p> </i></div>
This could just as easily be a description of Lapis Lazuli. Even though Homeworld trapped her in the mirror, believed she was a Crystal Gem and tried to use her to find the location of the Crystal Gems' base, and then abandoned her on Earth, Lapis still completely supported Homeworld, and believed they were in the right. As did Peridot, before and even during her redemption arc. <p>But both Lapis and Peridot found reasons to turn away from Homeworld. For Lapis, it was that Homeworld had changed too much for it to be familiar, and for Peridot, it was that Yellow Diamond was behaving illogically. If two of the Homeworld gems can wholeheartedly believe that Homeworld is in the right and then change their opinion, there is literally no reason why the third can't as well. </p> </div>Lapis was <i>still</i> literally about to fly to Homeworld in <i>Same Old World</i>, but she came right back when she realized they'd probably find out about what she "did to Jasper".</div> <p>Lapis still doesn't really like Earth. She had to be convinced to stay. Lapis has by no means joined the CGs. She only likes Steven and does things in his best interest. Peridot was a little more easy to sway. She can't fight in the way Jasper can thus had no choice but listen to reason, (not to mention having to work together to stop the cluster for the sake of all their lives) otherwise, she probably wouldn't be staying either. Jasper on the other hand is different. She was defeated and insulted by Garnet in combat, she was trapped in a fusion by Lapis, Was in the first gem war and fought against Rose and has a personal vendetta with her. There is no way she'll just change sides  simply by "seeing the beauty in Earth". Jasper is out for blood unlike the others... I mean really, look at her in "Chille Tid". I would love to see the crewniverse work some magic and make her suddenly want to work side by side with them. I would want it to hapen just as much as the rest of you, but be realistic. I would be amazed to see this happen. </p> </div> <p>Lapis' only option is Earth, yeah. At least she won't get accused of war crimes and get shattered there. She is far from being a CG for sure. </p><p>And you're right, Peridot has always been weaker much than all the other gems which is why they threw their weight around so much. Jasper is made of 100% tough stuff, but she's still outnumbered (now with the ocean-stealing, tenacious fusion-forcer Lapis who'd surely go against up her if Steven willed it). </p><p>One big thing that makes Jasper different from all of the other Homeworld gems we've seen (save for Lapis, but she's old-school Homeworld which may be very different) is her show of independent thinking. Peridot has shown unwavering loyalty to Yellow Diamond up until she got to see her foolish/illogical emotional side that wouldn't listen to reason. Now, Jasper on the other hand... We already saw her disobey a direct order from Yellow Diamond. She abandoned the cluster mission for her personal agenda of bringing "Rose" back to YD. That says anything but "unwavering loyalty" to me. That's selfish stuff, speaking of a "personal vendetta" as you had said. </p><p>And as for how Jasper acted in <i>Chille Tid</i>, another way to interpret her actions besides pure rage is <i>desperation</i>. She couldn't even stand up thanks to the unyieldingly willful Lapis. This kind of oppression must've been new and perturbing to someone as fiercely independent as Jasper. It seems she only adjusted to the conditions of the toxic fusion by the time <i>Super Watermelon Island</i> rolled around- months later. </p><p>Alright now to more directly address the topic at hand, there are also still unknown locations in Beach City. I remember at least two locations marked with question marks on an official map from one of the official books. The perfect Jasper base may very well be one of these </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Lourdy4675 wrote: Perhaps Opal and Garnet fusing doesn't make Alexandrite, so he deleted it cause it was false. Or perhaps there's some other reason as to why he did. </p> </i></div>
<p>He sometimes deletes stuff for seemingly no reason. </p><p>OP, while I don't have a screencap of the actual tweet, it was pretty much "backed up" here on Reddit by TweetPoster https://www.reddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/3eczzk/matt_burnett_confirms_if_amethyst_were_to_fuse/ctdqe2z </p><p>"If Amethyst fused w/ Sardonyx, or Pearl w/ Sugilite, does that make Alexandrite or a new gem? </p><p>Still Alexandrite. 1+1+1=3 and 1+2=3" </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Sedorna wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>LionGuy97 wrote: Guys, I honestly believe that Jasper will not be getting a redemption. She is , for lack of better terms, "too far gone" to be redeemed. She was there during the original Gem Rebellion War, and was on Homeworld's side then, so she isn't gonna change her mind all of a sudden. Her loyalty lies with YD and Homeworld. She whole-heartedly believes that Homeworld is in the right. </p> </i></div>
<p>This could just as easily be a description of Lapis Lazuli. Even though Homeworld trapped her in the mirror, believed she was a Crystal Gem and tried to use her to find the location of the Crystal Gems' base, and then abandoned her on Earth, Lapis still completely supported Homeworld, and believed they were in the right. As did Peridot, before and even during her redemption arc. </p><p>But both Lapis and Peridot found reasons to turn away from Homeworld. For Lapis, it was that Homeworld had changed too much for it to be familiar, and for Peridot, it was that Yellow Diamond was behaving illogically. If two of the Homeworld gems can wholeheartedly believe that Homeworld is in the right and then change their opinion, there is literally no reason why the third can't as well. </p> </div> <p>Lapis was <i>still</i> literally about to fly to Homeworld in <i>Same Old World</i>, but she came right back when she realized they'd probably find out about what she "did to Jasper". </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>HarringtonLittle wrote: I can see both Lapis, Peridot and if Jasper joins moving to the temple eventually when they decided to build them a room... We know there's a room they can revamp in terms of the Testing Chamber which Peridot Lapis and others can live in </p> </i></div>
<p>Even before the barn came into the picture, many always thought new rooms in the temple would the way to go. What makes me wonder if that's even feasible, though, is the fact that Steven hadn't even mentioned the possibility to Peridot at the start of <i>Same Old World.</i> He offered her the bathroom (which she gave her very understandable reasons of rejecting) and that's it. </p><p>As for extra rooms, what episode does the testing chamber appear again? </p>

<p>Yeah, can't just shove Jasper in the barn with them off the bat. I suspect that the heavy reconciliation and amends Jasper and Lapis are going to have to work out (with the ever believin' Steven's help) will be a plot unto itself. Lapis did give Peridot a hard time as you said, but think of it this way: she was pretty much fresh out of a long toxic fusion but still managed to reach the point of being alright with rooming with Peridot in just a day. Lapis hopefully will try and carry Steven's words with her from <i>Barn Mates</i>, <i>"You should have at least gotten to know her before you decided you don't like her!".</i> As far as we know, Jasper and Lapis were complete strangers before boarding the handship for the earth mission. </p><p>Not to get too ahead of myself there, we're a long ways off from Jasper developing as a person and being cool enough with the CGs to get to the point of being worthy of any degree of Lapis' trust (can't forget it was a war setting, too, where all of this transpired). And vice versa - Lapis is also guilty for deceiving and forcibly trapping her in that fusion for so long. We also don't know what happened behind the scenes. People suspected in the past that Jasper was Lapis' interrogator, but <i>Barn Mates</i> has shown us that's not the case (it was actually Peridot). That just goes to show not to be so quick to judge. </p><p>I like the idea of the united Homeworld Trio in one place eventually very much, but anything can happen really. In the meantime before that's even conceivable, Jasper can roam. Just around the area, wherever she feels like it - she'll get dosages of essential Steven-time, and get used to the other gems step-by-step. This reminds me, there was a part in <i>Same Old World</i> that caught my eye. Steven takes an orange leaf (he even pointed out its color) and places it over Lapis' nose, seemingly evoking the image of Jasper's gem while he talks about how the earth changes (could just be a coincidence of course). People change, people grow here on earth - Jasper included. </p><p>But her wandering around ought to be indefinite, because it's important she's with the others for defense (Lapis' water powers are slow, and Peridot is weak overall until she gets a gem weapon or helpful gadget) and be ready on-call for missions that likely require warp pad access and definitely some degree of intel. Assuming Homeworld doesn't crack down by then and shake everything up, anyway... </p><p>Oh yeah, there's also the lighthouse! That's not too far from the temple for warp pad usage. Just gotta kick Ronaldo out. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Stateofdreaming wrote: Lots of text. TL;DR at the bottom, but I do recommend reading this entirely. </p><p>One thing that might separate Amedot is the fact that it almost seems (I say almost because we don't know for sure yet) that they are trying to separate the new CGs from the old. One team fights more for Rose and the other fights more for Steven. </p><p>The next few episodes might be crucial in seeing how far (and if at all) the boundaries are set. </p><p>For example, does Too Far particularly stick out amongst the other "Peri bonds with the Crystal Gems" episodes? Not including Steven of course, he's very separate and this is where I make my point. </p><p>It goes like this: </p><p>Peridot does something reflective of her past homeworld ideology (racism / classism, defectiveness, and negatives on fusion). This upsets the gem in question, and Peridot eventually realizes what she did to upset them. They have a heart to heart, and Peridot lets go of that ideology. She was meant to show how backwards homeworld was to the gems. </p><p>Of course, the episodes are more complex than that and are 'engineered' to the specific characters and their interactions, but they are all very similar. Too Far just doesn't really... stand out to me, y'know? </p><p>Not that this really disconfirms Amedot. It just feels like the original 3 are a unit, and mostly grouped together. This is just a quirk of mine I guess, I like identifying things and finding patterns to break it down.  </p><p>TL;DR The original three Crystal Gems are more of a unit (with evidence from the Peri bonding episodes), one that Amedot would break away at and not really make sense with. A weaker argument, but a narrative trope to keep in mind. </p> </i></div>
<p>I know what you mean about the Peridot/CG bonding episode pattern. I'd say those episodes (<i>Back to the Barn, Too Far, Log Date</i>) did double duty. Yes, they established and at least begun to rectify some progress-impeding Homeworld-bred issues as brought on by Peridot (respecting Pearls, feelings, understanding fusion), but I feel they also established the general tone of Peridot's relationships with each of these gems from then on. </p><p>As they ended up in <i>Back To The Barn</i>, Pearl and Peridot took on more of a co-worker type relationship. Then there's Garnet in <i>Log Date</i> who was almost guiding Peridot through the episode with her initially mystifying thumbs-up gesture. Garnet was watching out for her the whole time; we ended up at a scene in which she offers her to fuse. Remember, Garnet has future vision - she had known before she had even asked that Peridot wouldn't go through with it. And as we know, the experience was not fruitless. Peridot was just a bit more primed for fusion than she was before, and it allowed for the dialog that made Garnet's permafusing finally <i>click</i> for her to take place: Ruby and Sapphire are Percy and Pierre. This was an important development Peridot, and for the friendship between her and Garnet. </p><p>I feel like Chille Tid was spot-on in the roles Steven dreamed the other gems to be in relation to him. Garnet is the cool older friend, experienced and full of sound advice on life. Amethyst is the spunky big sis that gets on the maternal yet high-strung Pearl's nerves. Then there's Connie mentioned in name only, clearly a friend from school to Steven. Lapis appears in her place at the door, suggesting her to be a non-family member. This fits in with the idea of the Homeworld Trio not being family in regards to the CGs, but more neighbors/friends. </p><p>This is further compounded way back in <i>Maximum Capacity</i> with the fantastically foreshadow-y Lil' Butler segment. Amethyst remarks <i>"Season 3 is when it really starts getting good!"</i> The uptight neighbors move in, she says, and they're a real riot. As the story goes on, this is more and more clearly intended to foreshadow Lapis, Peridot, and eventually Jasper making their stay nearby at the barn. I don't feel the gems being divvied up into two teams helps or hinders any potential ship. There's a warp pad near the barn that leads right into the temple, for one. </p><p><i>Now</i> to address what <i>Too Far</i> meant for Peridot and Amethyst. I will start by saying the Crewniverse are a very clever bunch, keen on parallels, symbolism and... anime references, haha. I feel confident that they know full-well the message that one scene in the episode would give off. It is all three of the aforementioned things: it is a parallel to Steven saving Connie in <i>Bubble Buddies</i>, it is symbolic of newfound strength (compare her leash-snapping fearlessness with how she struggled and failed to pull a panel off the wall in <i>When It Rains</i>), and yes, it is totally a nonspecific anime reference. This trope has often been used to thrust two characters into a suggestive moment typically before either of them are ready to go anywhere with it - what it does set out to do is suggest the possibility of the two characters diverging from simple friendship. The Crewniverse could have gone about in any number of ways to make the scene not so suggestive of the two having something more than friendship down the line. But they didn't; on top of bonding with each other for the majority of the episode, I think that's very telling. As an aside: I believe Peridot was the first to make Amethyst snort from laughing so hard! That's gotta be some kind of an achievement </p><p>I stand by the scene of Peridot saving Amethsyt as being the biggest noncanon/yet-to-be-canon shiptease in the entirety of SU. Airing the fairytale romance that was <i>The Answer</i> right after, in which Ruby also saves Sapphire with a push, only serves to drive that point further. Former executive-producer Ian JQ stated on a forum that the crew hadn't anticipated a hiatus between <i>Too Far</i> and <i>The Answer</i> when they were working on them. Yeah. </p><p><i>TL;DR while there is a basic pattern in the Peridot bonding episodes, the one Peridot had with Amethyst does indeed stand out.</i> </p><p>I'll pipe down about this whole thing only if we're ever presented with a shiptease - involving Peridot or Amethyst with anyone else - even half as profound. That's when it'll become clear the Crew is just messing around. But all of these episodes later, nothing surpasses it yet~ </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Toucanox wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>XxGaiaXx wrote: I read this on Tumblr but someone claimed when Peridot looked at Amethyst while telling her story, she gets distracted and clears her throat. I don't consider it a hint, because she probably didn't know what happened with Steven and The Cluster. </p> </i></div>
<p>The thing about that scene when, peridot doesn't look at amethyst once. But when she does after the shot show's Amethyst's cute face, that's when she begins to fumble on her words and stares a bit until she clears her throat and regains composure. Then she starts up talking again, to just amethyst this time (watch her eye movements the whole time), saying stuff like "you should've been there!"... So if it's confirmed Peri indeed has a crush, I would look back on this as evidence. </p><p>Also someone mentioned that the drill she built could only fit Steven and Amethyst in with herself, heh </p> </div> <p>^So I posted this a few weeks ago. </p><p>Earlier today I realized how this scene can be a parallel to Steven/Connie, so I saw fit to make a tumblr post expanding on it. Basically Steven does the same foot-in-the-air thing as Amethyst did with Peridot as Connie gushes about her book, among some little extra things </p><p>http://toucanox.tumblr.com/post/146154941968/ive-seen-people-point-out-the-pose-amethyst-makes </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>CoolGirlPeri wrote: Um..... just because Lapis controls water doesn't mean Peri can't be good at water stuff, I mean, we've seen how Percy and Paulette look like, Paulette is obvy Lapis and Percy is obvy Peridot, so I don't get what you're talking about, Pierre is obvy AMETHYST!!! </p> </i></div>
<p>That would be some pretty misleading foreshadowing. Why bother emphasizing Percy's water affinity (aquatic sports, lung capacity, diving to the bottom of the lake) if you're trying to represent Peridot, a character with zero association with swimming? </p><p>Percy's "retrieving Paulette's friendship bracelet at the bottom of the lake" has been suspected to mean Lapis finding Peridot's limb enhancers somewhere in the ocean (as a token of friendship; I mean Lapis did break her tape recorder.) And while Amethyst and Peridot have indeed been shown being good pals, we haven't seen them together in a fight or in any competition yet. Percy and Pierre's teamwork was greatly emphasized by Peridot. Also the usage of the phrase "destroy the camp" is suspect. </p><p><i>The TV portion opens a whole 'nother can of worms...</i> </p><p>-Percy is voiced by Amethyst's VA, Paulette by Pearl's VA = Pearlmethyst </p><p>-Paulette's teardrop scarf distinctly associating her with Lapis, Percy's looks possibly bringing Peridot to mind = Lapidot </p><p>-Paulette as Lapis once again, Percy looking Jasperlike (stern eyes and the way his hair falls on the side of his face, also YD insignia not unlike Peri) = Jaspis </p><p>-emphasis on blue color VS yellow color actually mattering = Blue Diamond x Yellow Diamond </p><p>...And those are just some interpretations I've seen flying around. There's nothing truly obvious when it comes to CPH I'd say </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>SpinDizzy1 wrote: The current situation reminds me of Camp Pining Hearts - although many people have thought Pierre represented Jasper, we never actually saw that character. I wonder if Pierre is actually Amethyst. Currently Peridot (Percy) is doing everything to get Lapis' (Paulette) attention in an attempt to befriend her, but in reality the perfect pair who complement each other is Peridot and Amethyst. </p><p>A lot of people thought Pierre was Jasper because he was a "force to be reckoned with" on land and good at sports, but Peridot has already commented that Amethyst can do whatever a normal Quartz could do (Too Far). </p><p>I do think that there are more signs that point towards a budding romance between Amethyst and Peridot than between any of the other Crystal Gems (Garnet is already a relationship). I know a lot of people place Lapis Lazuli with Peridot, but I think Lapis Lazuli's story will be focusing more on healing the wounds of her trauma. Peridot is the main focus of her anger, but Lapis does have issues with the other Crystal Gems (watch out Pearl!) </p> </i></div>
<p>I have also thought that Pierre sounds like Amethyst. As described in Peridot's rant, Pierre is brutish, a force to be reckoned with on land, is prone to pranks as the very last words talk about hanging underwear from a tree suggest (this doesn't suit Jasper's personality from what we've seen so far, whereas pranks are totally up Amethyst's ally), and works well with Percy (who we would say is Peridot here). </p><p>These descriptors all can apply to Amethyst, though it disrupts the whole Homeworld Trio association by excluding Jasper. And then there's the fact that Percy (Peridot) is described as being good at water sports and has "the largest lung capacity", when all we've seen Peridot do related to water is float on a tube in a smaller than average lake. Lapis, on the otherhand, has her whole motif based around water. The single most flawless interpretation of this CPH business has to do with Lapis, Jasper, Peridot, and Malachite. I could explain, but it doesn't involve Amethyst so it's not really relevant to the thread. </p><p>Also, lol yeah, watch out Pearl indeed. </p>