1) The CG hate Jasper (In The Return Jasper insult them by calling Pearl a defective and Amethyst a overcooked gem plus told Steven that Garnet is a fusion by killing her)
2) Steven don't like Jasper anymore (In Earthlings Steven was about to healed Jasper in her half-Corrupted form but got rejected because Jasper really HATE him and never understand that he not rose which it made Steven realized that Jasper never CARE will never understand him)
3) Peridot and Jasper has a bad relonship (In Jail Break we see that Jasper and Peridot don't get along very well and they don't care about eachother plus later on in Earthlings Peridot was explaining at Jasper why Earth is a nice place but Jasper rejected her)
4) She would get bubbled again if she got cured form her corrupted form (The CG were trying to find and KILL jasper so they can bubble her for good)
5) Jasper is just a heartless careless jerk like Kevin (She only care about Killing Steven/Rose, Destroy Earth, Shatter the CG and stay as Malachite with Lapis dead and nonething else)
So yeah that all the reasons why Jasper CAN'T be redeemed plus it will never happended GET OVER IT and tell me what do you think about this and is there more reasons why Jasper won't get redeemed
Wandering Weirdo wrote: I'll throw my hat into the ring, I guess!
So we've seen it happen twice now with Lapis and then Peridot; Gems of questionable allegiances turning sides and becoming Crystal Gems! While it's certainly far from a graceful ordeal, the fact remains that Gems, by nature, appear to want to be free from the normal machinations of their minds caused by Homeworld's propaganda and brainwashing.
That being said, let's look at the evidence:
Jasper did not seek to return to Homeworld as promptly as possible. She, in fact, stayed on Earth, choosing to become a thorn in Rose's side as much as possible, forsaking the fact that she was supposed to report to Yellow Diamond as promptly as possible, yet she'd been sunken for months under the ocean and didn't even so much as attempt to contact Homeworld once she was free.
This means that Jasper, as far as villains go, is more like a neutral party currently, or is at least acting as one, or was until she was poofed. That's pretty telling, considering both Lapis and Peridot had to reach this point before their conversions. We've also seen that Jasper was indeed mentally unstable, and also, what about her comments after fusing with the corrupted Gem?
"Why does everyone always leave?"
"MY Diamond! Pink Diamond!"
And the whole shpeil about how she had failed and essentially deserved to be shattered.
Did not Steven sympathize with her? Did he not attempt to get through to her? And, for just a moment, didn't she pause and almost seem to consider his words? There's much, much more going on here than we know currently. Who left before? Certainly she wasn't just talking about Lapis, they didn't even know each other very long. What's with her feelings over Pink Diamond? If it was such a big deal for her, could she feel responsible, or were they closer than a simple soldier/leader relationship?
Basically, what I'm going to say is that Cheese seems to be very spot-on with the analysis comparing Jasper to Vegeta. While their motivations are different and certainly their personalities are somewhat different, Jasper still seems to be following the formula of a rival antagonist, only this time, it appears to be to Amethyst, not Steven.
Why, praytell, did Amethyst refer to her as "sis", if she didn't actually feel some deeper connection to Jasper? They were born on the same planet, albeit in different Kindergartens, but they were born at the same time - and they're BOTH abnormal to their specific Kindergartens, in Amethyst's case, she's a runt, in Jasper's case, she's "perfect". However, Amethyst was far less typical for Alpha, as was Jasper far less typical for Beta. There's definitely a formula for Get-Alonginess in there.
Maybe some Forgive-Ability or Fam-Doodliness.
I believe Jasper will indeed get her chance for redemption, perhaps once everything is revealed behind the plot between Rose and Pink Diamond. Perhaps there is some sort of, hmmmmmm, misunderstandingggg?
What if Rose shattered PD because she was going to shatter all of her own soldiers, holding them hostage to force Rose to surrender? What if that meant JASPER would be shattered by the very Gem she's idolized?
Wandering Weirdo wrote:
I'll throw my hat into the ring, I guess!
So we've seen it happen twice now with Lapis and then Peridot; Gems of questionable allegiances turning sides and becoming Crystal Gems! While it's certainly far from a graceful ordeal, the fact remains that Gems, by nature, appear to want to be free from the normal machinations of their minds caused by Homeworld's propaganda and brainwashing.
That being said, let's look at the evidence:
Jasper did not seek to return to Homeworld as promptly as possible. She, in fact, stayed on Earth, choosing to become a thorn in Rose's side as much as possible, forsaking the fact that she was supposed to report to Yellow Diamond as promptly as possible, yet she'd been sunken for months under the ocean and didn't even so much as attempt to contact Homeworld once she was free.
This means that Jasper, as far as villains go, is more like a neutral party currently, or is at least acting as one, or was until she was poofed. That's pretty telling, considering both Lapis and Peridot had to reach this point before their conversions. We've also seen that Jasper was indeed mentally unstable, and also, what about her comments after fusing with the corrupted Gem?
"Why does everyone always leave?"
"MY Diamond! Pink Diamond!"
And the whole shpeil about how she had failed and essentially deserved to be shattered.
Did not Steven sympathize with her? Did he not attempt to get through to her? And, for just a moment, didn't she pause and almost seem to consider his words? There's much, much more going on here than we know currently. Who left before? Certainly she wasn't just talking about Lapis, they didn't even know each other very long. What's with her feelings over Pink Diamond? If it was such a big deal for her, could she feel responsible, or were they closer than a simple soldier/leader relationship?
Basically, what I'm going to say is that Cheese seems to be very spot-on with the analysis comparing Jasper to Vegeta. While their motivations are different and certainly their personalities are somewhat different, Jasper still seems to be following the formula of a rival antagonist, only this time, it appears to be to Amethyst, not Steven.
Why, praytell, did Amethyst refer to her as "sis", if she didn't actually feel some deeper connection to Jasper? They were born on the same planet, albeit in different Kindergartens, but they were born at the same time - and they're BOTH abnormal to their specific Kindergartens, in Amethyst's case, she's a runt, in Jasper's case, she's "perfect". However, Amethyst was far less typical for Alpha, as was Jasper far less typical for Beta. There's definitely a formula for Get-Alonginess in there.
Maybe some Forgive-Ability or Fam-Doodliness.
I believe Jasper will indeed get her chance for redemption, perhaps once everything is revealed behind the plot between Rose and Pink Diamond. Perhaps there is some sort of, hmmmmmm, misunderstandingggg?
What if Rose shattered PD because she was going to shatter all of her own soldiers, holding them hostage to force Rose to surrender? What if that meant JASPER would be shattered by the very Gem she's idolized?
Point is we don't know yet but don't rule it out.
Oh, that last part with Pink Diamond sounds SO COOL! I'll be sourly disappointed when they don't go that route, but I LOVE THAT IDEA! Thanks, Wander!
Wandering Weirdo wrote: I'll throw my hat into the ring, I guess!
So we've seen it happen twice now with Lapis and then Peridot; Gems of questionable allegiances turning sides and becoming Crystal Gems! While it's certainly far from a graceful ordeal, the fact remains that Gems, by nature, appear to want to be free from the normal machinations of their minds caused by Homeworld's propaganda and brainwashing.
That being said, let's look at the evidence:
Jasper did not seek to return to Homeworld as promptly as possible. She, in fact, stayed on Earth, choosing to become a thorn in Rose's side as much as possible, forsaking the fact that she was supposed to report to Yellow Diamond as promptly as possible, yet she'd been sunken for months under the ocean and didn't even so much as attempt to contact Homeworld once she was free.
This means that Jasper, as far as villains go, is more like a neutral party currently, or is at least acting as one, or was until she was poofed. That's pretty telling, considering both Lapis and Peridot had to reach this point before their conversions. We've also seen that Jasper was indeed mentally unstable, and also, what about her comments after fusing with the corrupted Gem?
"Why does everyone always leave?"
"MY Diamond! Pink Diamond!"
And the whole shpeil about how she had failed and essentially deserved to be shattered.
Did not Steven sympathize with her? Did he not attempt to get through to her? And, for just a moment, didn't she pause and almost seem to consider his words? There's much, much more going on here than we know currently. Who left before? Certainly she wasn't just talking about Lapis, they didn't even know each other very long. What's with her feelings over Pink Diamond? If it was such a big deal for her, could she feel responsible, or were they closer than a simple soldier/leader relationship?
Basically, what I'm going to say is that Cheese seems to be very spot-on with the analysis comparing Jasper to Vegeta. While their motivations are different and certainly their personalities are somewhat different, Jasper still seems to be following the formula of a rival antagonist, only this time, it appears to be to Amethyst, not Steven.
Why, praytell, did Amethyst refer to her as "sis", if she didn't actually feel some deeper connection to Jasper? They were born on the same planet, albeit in different Kindergartens, but they were born at the same time - and they're BOTH abnormal to their specific Kindergartens, in Amethyst's case, she's a runt, in Jasper's case, she's "perfect". However, Amethyst was far less typical for Alpha, as was Jasper far less typical for Beta. There's definitely a formula for Get-Alonginess in there.
Maybe some Forgive-Ability or Fam-Doodliness.
I believe Jasper will indeed get her chance for redemption, perhaps once everything is revealed behind the plot between Rose and Pink Diamond. Perhaps there is some sort of, hmmmmmm, misunderstandingggg?
What if Rose shattered PD because she was going to shatter all of her own soldiers, holding them hostage to force Rose to surrender? What if that meant JASPER would be shattered by the very Gem she's idolized?
Point is we don't know yet but don't rule it out.
Huh, apprently Wander's more insightful than he looks. By the way, how's Sylvia since the untimely cancellation?
Wandering Weirdo wrote: I'll throw my hat into the ring, I guess!
So we've seen it happen twice now with Lapis and then Peridot; Gems of questionable allegiances turning sides and becoming Crystal Gems! While it's certainly far from a graceful ordeal, the fact remains that Gems, by nature, appear to want to be free from the normal machinations of their minds caused by Homeworld's propaganda and brainwashing.
That being said, let's look at the evidence:
Jasper did not seek to return to Homeworld as promptly as possible. She, in fact, stayed on Earth, choosing to become a thorn in Rose's side as much as possible, forsaking the fact that she was supposed to report to Yellow Diamond as promptly as possible, yet she'd been sunken for months under the ocean and didn't even so much as attempt to contact Homeworld once she was free.
This means that Jasper, as far as villains go, is more like a neutral party currently, or is at least acting as one, or was until she was poofed. That's pretty telling, considering both Lapis and Peridot had to reach this point before their conversions. We've also seen that Jasper was indeed mentally unstable, and also, what about her comments after fusing with the corrupted Gem?
"Why does everyone always leave?"
"MY Diamond! Pink Diamond!"
And the whole shpeil about how she had failed and essentially deserved to be shattered.
Did not Steven sympathize with her? Did he not attempt to get through to her? And, for just a moment, didn't she pause and almost seem to consider his words? There's much, much more going on here than we know currently. Who left before? Certainly she wasn't just talking about Lapis, they didn't even know each other very long. What's with her feelings over Pink Diamond? If it was such a big deal for her, could she feel responsible, or were they closer than a simple soldier/leader relationship?
Basically, what I'm going to say is that Cheese seems to be very spot-on with the analysis comparing Jasper to Vegeta. While their motivations are different and certainly their personalities are somewhat different, Jasper still seems to be following the formula of a rival antagonist, only this time, it appears to be to Amethyst, not Steven.
Why, praytell, did Amethyst refer to her as "sis", if she didn't actually feel some deeper connection to Jasper? They were born on the same planet, albeit in different Kindergartens, but they were born at the same time - and they're BOTH abnormal to their specific Kindergartens, in Amethyst's case, she's a runt, in Jasper's case, she's "perfect". However, Amethyst was far less typical for Alpha, as was Jasper far less typical for Beta. There's definitely a formula for Get-Alonginess in there.
Maybe some Forgive-Ability or Fam-Doodliness.
I believe Jasper will indeed get her chance for redemption, perhaps once everything is revealed behind the plot between Rose and Pink Diamond. Perhaps there is some sort of, hmmmmmm, misunderstandingggg?
What if Rose shattered PD because she was going to shatter all of her own soldiers, holding them hostage to force Rose to surrender? What if that meant JASPER would be shattered by the very Gem she's idolized?
Point is we don't know yet but don't rule it out.
Huh, apprently Wander's more insightful than he looks. By the way, how's Sylvia since the untimely cancellation?
Well, Wander is WAY smarter and more clever than he lets on- he's just very optimistic and has a heart that's probably even greater than Steven's. But that's besides the point. What I like about this is that it would send Jasper into an existential crisis, and would probably allow her the ability to let herself reform willingly ( 'cause let's face it- the best she'll be able to do now would be to uncorrupt, skulk away and go live alone in the desert since she's not going back to Homeworld after this, and there's no way she'll allow herself to stay in the custody of Rose Quartz...)
Care to elaborate? because character wise, she's one of the best written antagonists I've EVER seen. in terms of who she is as a person... maybe, but one could easily see her as an anti-hero under the right contexts. I fail to see why she's a "bad" character. especially when questionable aspects of certain characters are glossed over like they're not a problem(Like Garnet and Lapis's ex machina powers, or Connie's overall lack of meaningful flaws). technically speaking, Jasper is very solid.
Even though jasper may be a bad character, Jasper just needs to kno something that the crystal gems need to do. Think about Peridot, I thought she was never going to be the friend of steven until "YOU NEED ME! BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THE-" and poof. Then When popped ,"THE CLUSTER" and then something in the nature of crazy dirty clods. Maybe jasper knows something that the crystal gems don't. Either...
1: Corrupted gems are going to dominate.
2: Something underwater was seen as malachite that lapis doesn't want to reveal
3: Homeworld's plan B for making crystal gems go bye bye.
Any of these are probably not going to happen but it is possible.
Care to elaborate? because character wise, she's one of the best written antagonists I've EVER seen. in terms of who she is as a person... maybe, but one could easily see her as an anti-hero under the right contexts. I fail to see why she's a "bad" character. especially when questionable aspects of certain characters are glossed over like they're not a problem(Like Garnet and Lapis's ex machina powers, or Connie's overall lack of meaningful flaws). technically speaking, Jasper is very solid.
The only credit I will give to Jasper is that she doesn't have a redemption arc, making her "death" a lot more fitting. But her character in attitude and style as being an over the top anime villain just doesn't work with SU. Of course, thats probably the fault of the writers over all.
Care to elaborate? because character wise, she's one of the best written antagonists I've EVER seen. in terms of who she is as a person... maybe, but one could easily see her as an anti-hero under the right contexts. I fail to see why she's a "bad" character. especially when questionable aspects of certain characters are glossed over like they're not a problem(Like Garnet and Lapis's ex machina powers, or Connie's overall lack of meaningful flaws). technically speaking, Jasper is very solid.
The only credit I will give to Jasper is that she doesn't have a redemption arc, making her "death" a lot more fitting. But her character in attitude and style as being an over the top anime villain just doesn't work with SU. Of course, thats probably the fault of the writers over all.
Its more like how jasper wants power. Fusion, numbers, items, anything. If the crystal gems prevent jasper from getting that power, she will either have to call a truce or just try to take them down. Jasper even resorted to fusing with a corrupted gem(WORST DECISION EVER!).
MikeOfWind wrote: Well I don't want steven universe to become the new dragon Ball so no
Too late it's is and always WAS a mix of DBZ and Sailor Moon, the show is not becoming anything it was not originally, and I see no problem with it as these are both considered classics as I'm sure SU will be in the future.