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  • It occured to me, when rewatching a few episodes, that Smoky Quartz had never existed before. Now, due to the limited information on how gem kindergartening works, how long it takes, and how long it took for Amethyst to find the Crystal Gems (or for them to find her), it's possible Rose only met Amethyst a few years before. However, she had clearly fused with Garnet and Pearl before, and the Crystal Gems never went inactive, going on missions at least monthly, likely more! However, Smoky did not know her name, while Rainbow and Sunstone did. And Rose was not opposed to fusing for personal pleasure, as shown with Rainbow's first appearance. To me, this feels insulting to Amethyst in a way, like "You didn't exist to fight for our cause. You aren't like the other Crystal Gems. You don't get the privledge of fusing with your leader." Of course, I may be misinterpreting this. What do you guys think?

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    • I don't think Rose fused with Garnet, otherwise the Sunstone fusion of Steven and Garnet would have been called or known as Sunstone 2.0.

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    • Wouldn't that also be the same with Obsidian? Wouldn't Obsidian be Obsidian 2.0?

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    • It could go either way I suppose. Something that suggests that perhaps "Rose" and Amethyst did fuse at some point in the past is when Smokey first forms in the "Earthlings" episode and is wondering what to call herself. She says "I feel like Amethyst knows the answer to this". It's nothing conclusive but does suggest the possibility of a past fusion.

      Also, I don't think we can read too much into the "2.0" suffix. We already knew what a PD/Pearl fusion looked like and called itself (as ha Steven via Greg's video), where as we had never seen the Sunstone or Obsidian fusion (except for a weathered and broken statue). I think the "2.0" is just the writers having a little fun.

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    • Oldasdirt, Steven seems to transfer control to Amethyst when he say that line, but she still doesn't immediately know what she's called. She doesn't say "I feel like me and you make a... Smoky Quartz!" What she does say is "I feel like an Amethyst... and a Rose Quartz... make a... Smoky Quartz!" This implies she never fused, nor (if any Crystal Gems {unlikely} managed to survive the intial corruption blast and were later shattered) saw her fuse with any Amethysts.

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    • obsidian was formed to save william dewey's ship, that has been confirmed

      the "2.0" thing is a goofy nickname rainbow quartz gave himself, it has no significance

      smoky and sunstone with rose may or may not have been formed, we don't really know, but it's fun to speculate on how they may have looked

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    • SnailofKale wrote:
      Oldasdirt, Steven seems to transfer control to Amethyst when he say that line, but she still doesn't immediately know what she's called. She doesn't say "I feel like me and you make a... Smoky Quartz!" What she does say is "I feel like an Amethyst... and a Rose Quartz... make a... Smoky Quartz!" This implies she never fused, nor (if any Crystal Gems {unlikely} managed to survive the intial corruption blast and were later shattered) saw her fuse with any Amethysts.

      Not trying to be salty or anything, but the real quote is "I think a Rose Quartz and an Amethyst make a...Smoky Quartz!"

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    • Feel its a bit unfair to think that Rose and Amethyst possibly never fusing just equates to Rose going "Ew I don't wanna fuse with you". Maybe Amethyst just never asked, or feel she wasn't worth it. Though technically, they have fused if we count the 1st Obsidian

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    • I think Amethyst emerged after The Diamond blast, because of this line in the movie "I came out late and a lone'

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    • 235210b wrote:
      I think Amethyst emerged after The Diamond blast, because of this line in the movie "I came out late and a lone'

      Yeah, because Amethyst wasn't part of the rebellion. Otherwise Rose would've saved her from the corruption blast too

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    • 235210b wrote:
      I think Amethyst emerged after The Diamond blast, because of this line in the movie "I came out late and a lone'

      also just because steven does not know the name of a fusion does not mean it did not happen 

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    • 235210b wrote:
      I think Amethyst emerged after The Diamond blast, because of this line in the movie "I came out late and a lone'

      this isnt really a matter of "i think", its her confirmed backstory

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    • Neither Steven nor Amethyst knew the name of the fusion.

      The reason I find it a bit... odd that (assuming Amethyst never fused with Rose) they never fused is that the Crystal Gems were very much active, catching corrupted gems and the like. Even with the power of a diamond on their side, they were bound to run into ones they couldn't quite catch. In such a situation, they would certainly consider fusion. It feels as though, going with my theory, Rose never considered anything that could be done with a fusion between herself and Amethyst. She thought, "I have my (Rainbow 1.0's weapon) and my (Sunstone 1.0's weapon), why should I need a (Smoky 1.0's possible weapon) or a (Smoky 1.0's possible weapon)?"

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    • It would be a bit strange if a Rose version of Smoky Quartz didn't exist, since we know Obsidian did.

      As for the naming. Steven had already seen the original Rainbow Quartz via Greg's home video, so Rainbow 2.0 formed with both his components knowing who they would form. Assuming Rose Quartz's version of Sunstone fusion existed, Garnet would have known who Sunstone was, but Steven wouldn't (unless someone told him about her off-screen), so she just calls herself Sunstone.

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    • Wouldn't it be the same for Amethyst?

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    • SnailofKale wrote: Wouldn't it be the same for Amethyst?

      Good point. Smoky Quartz did say Amethyst might know their name.

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    • But what confuses me is that Amethyst didn't know their name. Garnet clearly did, and so did Pearl (obviously, we've seen Rainbow v1 before). Now, of course, Amethyst might have worded it like this for dramatic effect. But then again, why would she? She could've said something else! Something like "Well, of course!" 

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    • yeah it seems pretty likely that amethyst and rose never fused individually

      however, "i feel like amethyst knows this" could also be rationalized as steven being the one controlling the fusion in that particular moment, as they had just fused

      but yeah, not exactly clear

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    • Steven was the one "controlling" the fusion at that moment, or at least Smoky was controlling herself. Control was then transferred to Amethyst, who didn't know the name of the fusion. I rewatched a few episodes, and Amethyst said she was 5,000 years old in... one of them. The one right after Garnet split and right before Ruby was a cowboy. I think this indicates she was "born" right after the corruption blast, in terms of gem time. What Smoky 1.0, if you will, never forming indicates about Rose and Amethyst's relationship, we'll never know unless Future gives us more insight into Rose's past (which it's given us quite a bit already!)

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