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  • CrystalMomSquad
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    Oppose wins (Vote voided)
    00:39, May 20, 2020

    Current Quote:

    I'm Lapis Lazuli, and you can't keep me trapped here anymore!

    —"Mirror Gem"

    Proposed Quote:

    ♫ Ooo-ooo-oooh, Why so bluuu-uu-uuue,
    So many shades of sorrow got mixed into my hue.
    And each new moment just astounds me. So much I wanna do.
    I finally feel my colors shining through. ♫

    —"Why So Blue?"

    In my opinion, Lapis's current quote doesn't represent her current personality and character, it represents the old Lapis, consumed by her trauma and bad experiences. The proposed quote represents Lapis's character development, motivations, and overall, her entire character as of Steven Universe Future. Vote Symbol support vote Support if you agree with the quote change, and vote Symbol oppose vote Oppose if you disagree with the quote change.



    Symbol support vote Support - 1

    Symbol oppose vote Oppose - 7

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    • Symbol strong support vote Strongly support, that's a given.

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose I SAID before in my last thread, the quote should be logical and appropriate, and this is none of those things. Please rethink what you feel should be a quote, as I highly doubt this will be a successful on on your part.

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose Quote is too long, it's kind of nicer to keep it as a throwback, perhaps for people visiting while still watching the show.

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose - too long

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    • CrystalMomSquad wrote: Symbol oppose vote Oppose Quote is too long, it's kind of nicer to keep it as a throwback, perhaps for people visiting while still watching the show.

      Again with the “long quote excuse”. Steven, Peridot, Bismuth, Connie, Ruby, Sapphire, Peedee, Ronaldo, Greg, Yellow Diamond, and Nanefua all have quote-on-quote “long” quotes that are SHORTER than this, yet there’s no opposition to those being included due to their longevity. This is because they represent the character’s motivations and personality of the character (excluding Steven and Yellow Diamond’s quotes, which aren’t very representative of their current character, but still), just as this proposed quote does. And keeping it simply for visitors still watching the show, that’s completely nonsensical. Quotes aren’t supposed to be throwbacks to appeal to certain viewers’s current watching time, they’re supposed to be representative of a character’s arc, development, and personality. None of those can be said for the current Lapis quote.

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    • ignored once again bc u are infatuated w arguing w crystalmomsquash

      this right here might make a girl cry

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose I mean, it could work, but...it's kind of hard to explain. Other character quotes sum up the characters perfectly. I don't think this quite sums Lapis up. The current one still applies to her character.

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose

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    • Piierogii wrote: Symbol oppose vote Oppose I SAID before in my last thread, the quote should be logical and appropriate, and this is none of those things. Please rethink what you feel should be a quote, as I highly doubt this will be a successful on on your part.

      How is this not logical or appropriate? It's a clear representation of Lapis's arc and character development in the Steven Universe franchise, and her current personality. Is it because it's a song, because if so, that's not a good reason as other character's quotes are songs, but no opposition is given to those.

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    • Piierogii wrote: ignored once again bc u are infatuated w arguing w crystalmomsquash

      this right here might make a girl cry

      No. Just NO. If I don't respond to you, it's either by accident or I couldn't think of a good response and got overshadowed by other stuff. I'm not ignoring you. Don't assume people's intentions because of what you see, there's stuff going on behind the scenes that you don't see that contributes to a situation's outcome. And I'm not infatuated with arguing with Crystal, I do it a lot because of our regular opposing viewpoints, but I don't enjoy it. And it's certainly not the reason behind not responding to you. Again, don't assume.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Symbol oppose vote Oppose I mean, it could work, but...it's kind of hard to explain. Other character quotes sum up the characters perfectly. I don't think this quite sums Lapis up. The current one still applies to her character.

      How does this not sum up Lapis's character? It addresses her tragic and dark feelings of that past, and her development past that and her newfound joy and wonder. And more questiongly, how does the current quote, showing none of Lapis's development or motivations in the movie or Future, still a good fit?

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose I don't think the proposed does the character Justice (heh). Personaly I think if we're going to use a Future quote it should be this:

      Listen to me, Steven. You can’t run away from yourself. Wherever you go, you’ll be there. Trust me, I know.

      —"The Future"


      Also Katch, calm down. You are literally getting worked up over nothing.

      EDIT: I also agree with this

      Misunderstood Human wrote:
      Symbol oppose vote Oppose I'm not exactly okay with having the line from a song being a character's main quote for their page.

      (and yes, I'm aware other characters have songs in their quotes but that doesn't mean I like it)

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    • TheNinjaOnTheTop wrote: Symbol oppose vote Oppose Personaly I think if we're going to use a Future quote it should be this:

      Listen to me, Steven. You can’t run away from yourself. Wherever you go, you’ll be there. Trust me, I know.

      —"The Future"


      Also Katch, calm down. You are literally getting worked up over nothing.

      Eh, I don't know, Justice. I'll admit it does represent her past experiences, but I think the quote should also show her growth and development, something that one doesn't really do, in my opinion.

      And, yeah, maybe I am getting a little worked up. I'm just trying to convince people of the importance of the proposed quote and how their arguments of why the current quote is a better fit don't hold up. It's getting kinda frustrating seeing the community disagree with my votes without any actual solid arguments that make sense over and over again.

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose Seems too long and I'm not exactly okay with having the line from a song being a character's main quote for their page.

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    • Katch K. wrote:
      It's getting kinda frustrating seeing the community disagree with my votes without any actual solid arguments that make sense over and over again.

      Pictogram voting comment Comment Fun fact: opinions tend not to have solid arguments. Why? Because they're opinions; they are how a person naturally feels towards something. For example, I don't like tomatoes, but I can't explain why I don't like tomatoes other than "taste weird".

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    • TheNinjaOnTheTop wrote:

      Katch K. wrote:
      It's getting kinda frustrating seeing the community disagree with my votes without any actual solid arguments that make sense over and over again.

      Pictogram voting comment Comment Fun fact: opinions tend not to have solid arguments. Why? Because they're opinions; they are how a person naturally feels towards something. For example, I don't like tomatoes, but I can't explain why I don't like tomatoes other than "taste weird".

      Yeah, an opinion doesn't necessarily have to have a solid argument, but there's a big difference between your opinion on the taste of a tomato and your opinion on another person's vote. When you disagree with somebody's idea and want to be taken seriously, you don't just say 'I don't like it' or 'It's feels weird to me', you need to have a substantial argument that makes sense. I'm fine with you disagreeing with me (not really, but I can accept it), but when you give me dumb excuses like "it's too long", that's when I get frustrated and question your judgement. How you feel about a food and how you feel about a vote on a wiki are too dissimilar to be compared, you don't need to make good points about why you don't like a food, nobody cares about that, but you do if you disagree with somebody's vote to change something, you need to make sense to be taken seriously.

      (BTW, I feel the same way about tomatoes, just wanted to mention that)

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    • Misunderstood Human wrote: Symbol oppose vote Oppose Seems too long and I'm not exactly okay with having the line from a song being a character's main quote for their page.

      Please don't use the "long quote" excuse, there are other characters whose quotes could be considered "long" but are kept due to their significance to the character and how they represent the character's arc, motivations, and personality. Plus, this one isn't even long, it's only 4 lines.

      For your song argument, though, I get that. Having a song as a character's quote isn't exactly the most ideal scenario. But for characters such as Garnet and Amethyst, those song quotes represent the character too well to pass them by due to them being a song, and I think the same should be the case for Lapis.

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose.

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    • Honestly, I prefer Justice's proposed quote, I think it fits.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Honestly, I prefer Justice's proposed quote, I think it fits.

      Sure, it represents Lapis's past experiences and struggles really well, but I doesn't exactly highlight how she's moved on past that and her current personality of more cheerfulness and openness, while still acknowledging those past struggles as the proposed quote does.

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    • Katch K. wrote: It's getting kinda frustrating seeing the community disagree with my votes without any actual solid arguments that make sense over and over again.

      Katch K. wrote: Please don't use the "long quote" excuse

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      Idk what to tell you man, your ideas for quotes are....not great. If this is how raw it has to be said for you to realise, then so be it. You're physically incapable of taking any criticism, claiming its invalid, so therefore any vote you make, no matter how nonsensical, will always be opposed for the "wrong reasons", or reasons which aren't valid in your eyes, simply because we aren't all gagging to support you. Saying its too long is a valid a reason as any, as well as it being a competent argument. Maybe the arguments are coming up over and over again because you aren't learning from your mistakes?? Maybe try listening to others.

      Katch K. wrote: No. Just NO. If I don't respond to you, it's either by accident or I couldn't think of a good response and got overshadowed by other stuff. I'm not ignoring you. Don't assume people's intentions because of what you see, there's stuff going on behind the scenes that you don't see that contributes to a situation's outcome. And I'm not infatuated with arguing with Crystal, I do it a lot because of our regular opposing viewpoints, but I don't enjoy it. And it's certainly not the reason behind not responding to you. Again, don't assume.

      See I'd believe that if it was the first time it had happened. You can't really get one over on me; I've seen it all.

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    • Symbol oppose vote oversat Strong oppose This quote don't rappresent Lapis.

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    • Piierogii wrote:

      Katch K. wrote: It's getting kinda frustrating seeing the community disagree with my votes without any actual solid arguments that make sense over and over again.

      Katch K. wrote: Please don't use the "long quote" excuse

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      Idk what to tell you man, your ideas for quotes are....not great. If this is how raw it has to be said for you to realise, then so be it. You're physically incapable of taking any criticism, claiming its invalid, so therefore any vote you make, no matter how nonsensical, will always be opposed for the "wrong reasons", or reasons which aren't valid in your eyes, simply because we aren't all gagging to support you. Saying its too long is a valid a reason as any, as well as it being a competent argument. Maybe the arguments are coming up over and over again because you aren't learning from your mistakes?? Maybe try listening to others.

      Katch K. wrote: No. Just NO. If I don't respond to you, it's either by accident or I couldn't think of a good response and got overshadowed by other stuff. I'm not ignoring you. Don't assume people's intentions because of what you see, there's stuff going on behind the scenes that you don't see that contributes to a situation's outcome. And I'm not infatuated with arguing with Crystal, I do it a lot because of our regular opposing viewpoints, but I don't enjoy it. And it's certainly not the reason behind not responding to you. Again, don't assume.

      See I'd believe that if it was the first time it had happened. You can't really get one over on me; I've seen it all.

      How are none of my quote change ideas great? The vote for Steven's quote being changed to "Be the Steven you want to see in the world" is admittedly not good, I was reaching too far to find meaning and significance to Steven's character with that one, but everything else? The Future vote's proposed quote was a clear representation of the themes, moral, and overall message of the episode. It was long, yes, but, as I explained in that vote, plenty of episodes already have "long" quotes that were kept because of significance to the story and themes of the episode, yet this one is the exception. What sense does that make?

      The second Steven vote's quote represents Steven's arc in Steven Universe Future very well, not only explaining his motivations for leaving Beach City and exploring the world, but describing his journey overall. I even tried to make the situation more acceptable my to people by moving the movie quote to a more appropriate place in the personality section, so it can represent that point Steven's arc and life. I don't see how this isn't a win-win situation. Most of the opposes amounted to the movie quote being better (and, yeah, I like it more, but it's not a good representation of Steven's arc or development in Future), and there already being a vote for Steven's quotes to be changed (despite being against the rules by any stretch of the imagination), and no matter times I tried to reinforce my points, most people's minds couldn't be changed, and I lost.

      In what way are my quote change votes nonsensical? They are all representative the episode or character, whether be the episode's themes or the character's arc/personality. And I'm not saying their reasons are wrong or invalid because they don't support me. Of course, I don't want anybody to oppose me, who does? But if you do, at least you could gave me ACTUAL valid and understandable points, and not excuses that can be easily disproven like "it's too long" or "it's a song". That way we can either respectfully disagree or agree thanks to your points being true. Saying that the quote is too long isn't a valid argument because MANY characters and episodes have long quotes, and those are greatly representative of whatever article their on. Longevity shouldn't be the one deciding factor among a million other good reasons, it doesn't make sense. And for the most part, I didn't make mistakes with my quote change votes. Except for my first Steven quote vote, I still stand behind my other quote votes because I made legitemately good points that the majority ignored for bad reasons. It doesn't mean I won't listen to others, that's happened before, but when you don't give me good reasons for why you're opposing what I view as a necessary and beneficial change, I'd wish you'd have an argument that couldn't be easily disproven and isn't an excuse.

      I'm not trying to pull one over on you. I'm saying the truth behind why the two times I didn't respond to you but I did for Crystal, what's unbelievable about the reasons I gave you?

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    • Male Lapis Lazuli wrote: Symbol oppose vote oversat Strong oppose This quote don't rappresent Lapis.

      The song quote represents Lapis's bad experiences and struggles through "shades of sorrow" and her character development beyond those and her current cheerfulness and contentment with "And each new moment just astounds me. So much I wanna do. I finally feel my colors shining through,". The current "I'm Lapis Lazuli, and you can't keep me trapped her anymore" doesn't show any of that growth or newfound happy personality, in my opinion.

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    • Symbol oppose vote oversat Strongly oppose Her current quote is more than suitable, and the proposed is too long.

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    • I think this'll be strong evidence as to why we should ban discussions of votes on voting threads. You either support or oppose.

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    • Katch K. wrote:

      CrystalMomSquad wrote: Symbol oppose vote Oppose Quote is too long, it's kind of nicer to keep it as a throwback, perhaps for people visiting while still watching the show.

      Again with the “long quote excuse”. Steven, Peridot, Bismuth, Connie, and Yellow Diamond all have quote-on-quote “long” quotes that are SHORTER than this, yet there’s no opposition to those being included due to their longevity.

      I checked these pages and found that Steven's quote is a reach. However, all these other page's quotes are within two lines, which is perfectly fine. You are proposing four.

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    • Treesmasherftw wrote: Symbol oppose vote oversat Strongly oppose Her current quote is more than suitable, and the proposed is too long.

      The current quote doesn't represent Lapis's growth past her trauma of being inside the mirror and all her other struggles. A good Lapis quote should acknowledge those bad experiences Lapis endured, while also showing her development, character arc, and current personality. And, aside from the invalid argument that is "the quote is long", the proposed quote is not long, it's four lines of song. Compare that to Steven, Peridot, Bismuth, Connie, and Yellow Diamond's quotes that actually have longevity, and this proposed quote isn't long at all.

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    • Symbol oppose vote Oppose too long

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    • CrystalMomSquad wrote: I think this'll be strong evidence as to why we should ban discussions of votes on voting threads. You either support or oppose.

      People's minds can be changed on voting threads if you can convince in a way they can understand and can agree with, it's happened before. That's what I try to achieve by responding to the community's opposes, to try to get my point across so they can hopefully change their mind. Banning voting thread discussions would remove that possibility entirely, plus any comments on voting threads would just not happen, and that's some intresting stuff that could be significant to the vote overall. Don't ban this, it wouldn't be a change for the better.

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    • Katch K. wrote:

      CrystalMomSquad wrote: I think this'll be strong evidence as to why we should ban discussions of votes on voting threads. You either support or oppose.

      People's minds can be changed on voting threads if you can convince in a way they can understand and can agree with, it's happened before. That's what I try to achieve by responding to the community's opposes, to try to get my point across so they can hopefully change their mind. Banning voting thread discussions would remove that possibility entirely, plus any comments on voting threads would just not happen, and that's some intresting stuff that could be significant to the vote overall. Don't ban this, it wouldn't be a change for the better.

      You will be allowed to make an arugment, but people have an opinion and it's not up to anyone to attempt to convince them otherwise.

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    • Apollo C Vermouth wrote: Symbol oppose vote Oppose too long

      (deep nose inhale and exhale)

      How many times do I have to repeat myself before people understand? The proposed quote is not long, it's literally four lines of song. In comparison to quotes from Steven, Peridot, Bismuth, and Yellow Diamond's articles that actually have longevity, this is pretty short. The longevity of a quote doesn't make sense to be a deciding factor for whether or not it should be added. If that "long" quote is representative or significant to a character's arc, personality, and motivations, then it's longevity shouldn't matter. That's what's happened with many other character's quotes, so why is Lapis an exception to this? What makes her case any different, especially since her proposed quote isn't even long.

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    • I am voiding this vote. This thread has spiralled out of control and the likelihood of a support win is small anyway.

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