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    04:51, May 2, 2015

    before you comment "BUT ROSE IS A GIRL"

    1: gems are genderless

    2: lion gender not confirmed

    now lets analysis why rose is lion:

    both pink.

    both connection with steven

    he summons rose's sword

    soo....

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    • Oh, so that means Lion is Rose's pet.

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    • I actually have a theory that Rose wanted to find a way for gems to reproduce naturally and Lion was the byproduct of an experiment of sorts. Like testing chemicals on rats.

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    • Tim68 wrote:
      Oh, so that means Lion is Rose's pet.


      or the REAL rose

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    • We definitely know that Lion is somehow related to Rose Quartz but as of now the relationship is still a mystery.

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    • I Think You Guys Are Right....

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    • rose became steven shes not lion but maybe he was her pet or somthing also roses sword just means she owned it like how pearl owned all the battle axes

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    • If I hear this one more time....

      Do I need to pull out Lion 3: Straight to video?

      "I'LL BE INSIDE YOU" She says

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    • Well that escalated @Renee

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    • Well, as you may know, there is an upcoming episode called "Rose's Scabbard ", apparently a scabbard is like a thing to hold a sword, so a theory I've heard is that Lion is the embodiment of Rose's Scabbard. He does hold her sword in his head and has a connection with Rose's gem... so, yeah

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    • Tuckyd wrote:
      Well that escalated @Renee

      Rather Quickly I'd say

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    • Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.

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    • Gnx486 wrote:
      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.

      Thank you, it isn't even the fact that Rose is a girl, as he says people say, but Rose is no longer roaming the earth, she is apart of Steven. So does that mean Lion is steven too? No

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    • Reneelovesanime wrote:
      Gnx486 wrote:
      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.
      Thank you, it isn't even the fact that Rose is a girl, as he says people say, but Rose is no longer roaming the earth, she is apart of Steven. So does that mean Lion is steven too? No

      Exactly. Besides, I don't think Rose had a whole world in her hair like lion did in his mane.

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    • Gnx486 wrote:
      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.

      rose is not dead, she ABANDON HER PHSYCHICAL FORM to make steven born

      and her new form is lion. possible

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Gnx486 wrote:
      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.
      rose is not dead, she ABANDON HER PHSYCHICAL FORM to make steven born

      and her new form is lion. possible

      You're forgetting one thing. The fricking tape. No offense but Lion would have to be apart of Steven to make this theory in the least credible.

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    • Reneelovesanime wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Gnx486 wrote:
      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.
      rose is not dead, she ABANDON HER PHSYCHICAL FORM to make steven born

      and her new form is lion. possible

      You're forgetting one thing. The fricking tape. No offense but Lion would have to be apart of Steven to make this theory in the least credible.


      soo, how steven enter in lion's mane?

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    • Lion is related to rose in someway but he's not her. 

      Lion, is a special animal, but's it's a male.

      Oh wait. Gems are genderless.

      But Lion is a guy

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    • Reneelovesanime wrote:
      Lion is related to rose in someway but he's not her. 

      Lion, is a special animal, but's it's a male.

      Oh wait. Gems are genderless.

      But Lion is a guy

      1 proof?

      2 NOT CONFIRMED

      3 yep

      4 NOT CONFIRMED ²

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    • Lion isn't Rose.

      I'll be inside you, when you feel joy, that's me.

      How can she be Lion and inside him at the same time?

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    • Reneelovesanime wrote:
      Lion isn't Rose.

      I'll be inside you, when you feel joy, that's me.

      How can she be Lion and inside him at the same time?

      MAGIC.

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    • You and I can't exist at the same time.

      How is she Lion if they can't exist at the same time? Where is her gem then?

      Steven's Gem is a big as his mothers

      It's couldn't have split in have and then here Lion you take this half, I'll give the rest to my son.

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    • Reneelovesanime wrote:
      You and I can't exist at the same time.

      How is she Lion if they can't exist at the same time? Where is her gem then?

      Steven's Gem is a big as his mothers

      It's couldn't have split in have and then here Lion you take this half, I'll give the rest to my son.

      is just a theory

      also, is possible that rose's gem is in lion's stomach never showed.

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    • The best to assume is Lion is Steven's protector, because that's logical, Purplecoal's theory holds water, it holds weight. Lion is the same color as Rose, sure I get it. So you can assume that Lion is related to Rose somehow.  Lion's mane kept his mother's things like a safe. 

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    • since rose's things is in lion mane, lts keep it theory

      if its belly is showed and have a gem, IS ROSE

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    • Also Rose never had claws or a tail.

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    • Lion has a mane which indicates him being male, Lion won't have a gem on his stomach because Steven has Rose's gem. The fact that Steven was able to enter Lion's mane isn't proof that Lion is Rose as we don't know if anyone is incapable of entering his mane, and Rose could've used Lion's dimension as a way of keeping things precious to her safe as she (presumably) trusted Lion.

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    • Gnx486 wrote:
      Also Rose never had claws or a tail.


      in other psychical form

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:
      Lion has a mane which indicates him being male, Lion won't have a gem on his stomach because Steven has Rose's gem. The fact that Steven was able to enter Lion's mane isn't proof that Lion is Rose as we don't know if anyone is incapable of entering his mane, and Rose could've used Lion's dimension as a way of keeping things precious to her safe as she (presumably) trusted Lion.

      gems dont have gender.

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    • I think this as well. There's a lot of evidence, but an equal amount of counter arguements, so we can't say for sure. Either way, I'm going to think the theory is true until it's proven false.

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    • LikeBrony wrote:

      Son of Nemesis34 wrote:
      Lion has a mane which indicates him being male, Lion won't have a gem on his stomach because Steven has Rose's gem. The fact that Steven was able to enter Lion's mane isn't proof that Lion is Rose as we don't know if anyone is incapable of entering his mane, and Rose could've used Lion's dimension as a way of keeping things precious to her safe as she (presumably) trusted Lion.

      gems dont have gender.

      Lion isn't confirmed as a gem and there isn't any definite proof of him being one

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote:

      Son of Nemesis34 wrote:
      Lion has a mane which indicates him being male, Lion won't have a gem on his stomach because Steven has Rose's gem. The fact that Steven was able to enter Lion's mane isn't proof that Lion is Rose as we don't know if anyone is incapable of entering his mane, and Rose could've used Lion's dimension as a way of keeping things precious to her safe as she (presumably) trusted Lion.
      gems dont have gender.
      Lion isn't confirmed as a gem and there isn't any definite proof of him being one

      yes, but have a CONNECTION to one.

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    • I'm not saying that couldn't be true, in fact it's kind of implied that Lion has a connection to Rose. I just don't agree with people saying that Lion IS Rose.

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    • If Lion was Rose his name would be Rose not Lion.

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    • Gnx486 wrote:
      If Lion was Rose his name would be Rose not Lion.

      who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

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    • LikeBrony wrote: who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

      Very true

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    • Tuckyd wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote: who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

      Very true

      His name was Lion because that's what he is. Rose is not named Lion because she is not a lion.

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    • I can't wait till Rose's scabbard airs in a few weeks and we find out that NONE of these theories are right and that the relationship between Rose and Lion is something no one would've predicted. (No offense to these theories)

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    • Spacepirateklix wrote:
      I can't wait till Rose's scabbard airs in a few weeks and we find out that NONE of these theories are right and that the relationship between Rose and Lion is something no one would've predicted. (No offense to these theories)
      • sniff* *snort* K
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    • Yeah, it's a theory. In that case you should be able to accept the fallacies in it, and respect the arguments against it, rather than trying to point out that your theory is true. It is very unlikely that Lion is Rose. It is indeed a theory though, even if I can't find any proof or evidence to support it anywhere...

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    • Gnx486 wrote:

      Tuckyd wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote: who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

      Very true

      His name was Lion because that's what he is. Rose is not named Lion because she is not a lion.

      again, lion is not its official name.

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    • ReasonAndPearls wrote:
      Yeah, it's a theory. In that case you should be able to accept the fallacies in it, and respect the arguments against it, rather than trying to point out that your theory is true. It is very unlikely that Lion is Rose. It is indeed a theory though, even if I can't find any proof or evidence to support it anywhere...

      If there is no evidence or support then it hardly can be considered a theory. It'd be more akin to a simple assumption. An assumption would be an idea thought to be true, this doesn't need a lot of evidence. A hypothesis, to put it simply, is just a scientific guess which can be tested. A theory is a set of principles proven nearly to be true but not quite and is supported by hard evidence. A fact has been repeatedly confirmed and is, in all purposes, is considered true. An opinion is what a person believes in and may not be the same nor will it coincide with others' opinions.


      Ok, just to sum up everyones arguments:

      Argument: Rose is genderless, therefore can be Lion, who may or may not be male.

      Counter-argument: Lion's gender has never been announced but seeing that real life lions display sexual dimorphism, in which male lions have a mane compared to females who do not, we can infer that Lion has a high chance of being a male.

      Argument: Lion is pink and has a connection to Steven, therefore Lion is Rose.

      Counter-argument:

      ಠ_ಠ

      Obviously Lion has a connection to Rose but to what extent is unknown. Just because it's pink doesn't necessarily mean it has to be Rose. The Centippetle Mother and The Gem Cave Creature, were two gems that could make creatuers that had the same color palette as them. So the easiest assumption would be that Rose made Lion to be a guardian of sorts to the things she held dear, like Steven.

      Argument: Lion can summon Rose's sword.

      Counter-argument: We have never seen Lion summon Rose's sword by himself. We could say that Lion himself is just a medium in which Rose's sword can be pulled out by others.

      Argument: Rose is not dead, she gave up her physical form to give birth to Steven and her new form is Lion.

      Counter-argument: Yep, technically Rose is not dead but is inside her gem. She did give up her physical form for Steven. But she did not make a new physical construct in the form of Lion. The Gem's physical constructs are just an extension of their gems, and where do you think Rose's gem is? With Steven ofc.  But what about the pink whale inside her room with her voice? What about it? Steven was inside the room, it would indirectly place Rose in the room as well, via her gem. She could've easily manipulated the room to ask Steven in the form of a whale.

      Also, why would Rose mold herself in the form of a lion who can't speak? If she can project herself outside of her gem, then what's stopping her from doing a form closer to her real appearance and was actually able to communicate, it would've been more practical.

      Argument: How'd Steven enter Lion's mane?

      Counter-argument: Through portals, durh. Rose was never implied to have the power to teleport nor open portals. This would indicate that Lion is a separate entity that has his own unique abilities.

      Argument: Lion's gem is inside his stomach and is never shown.

      Counter-argument: This argument just made your assumption have less water than it already had. If Lion's gem is indeed inside his stomach, it would mean that he's another separate gem and not Rose.

      Argument: Since Rose's things is in Lion's mane, the theory holds.

      Counter-argument: By that logic, each of the Gems' rooms would be them as well, as the rooms of the Gems hold their things.

      Argument: If Lion's belly is shown and has gem, he would be Rose.

      Counter-argument: Serious question, have you seen the episode "Lion 3: Straight to Video" because if you have. You'd now that Lion's belly has been shown multiple times.



      Will continue in the morning, it's 12:20 AM here and I am sleepy.

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    • Judgekoo wrote:
      ReasonAndPearls wrote:
      Yeah, it's a theory. In that case you should be able to accept the fallacies in it, and respect the arguments against it, rather than trying to point out that your theory is true. It is very unlikely that Lion is Rose. It is indeed a theory though, even if I can't find any proof or evidence to support it anywhere...
      If there is no evidence or support then it hardly can be considered a theory. It'd be more akin to a simple assumption. An assumption would be an idea thought to be true, this doesn't need a lot of evidence. A hypothesis, to put it simply, is just a scientific guess which can be tested. A theory is a set of principles proven nearly to be true but not quite and is supported by hard evidence. A fact has been repeatedly confirmed and is, in all purposes, is considered true. An opinion is what a person believes in and may not be the same nor will it coincide with others' opinions.


      Ok, just to sum up everyones arguments:

      Argument: Rose is genderless, therefore can be Lion, who may or may not be male.

      Counter-argument: Lion's gender has never been announced but seeing that real life lions display sexual dimorphism, in which male lions have a mane compared to females who do not, we can infer that Lion has a high chance of being a male.

      Argument: Lion is pink and has a connection to Steven, therefore Lion is Rose.

      Counter-argument:

      ಠ_ಠ

      Obviously Lion has a connection to Rose but to what extent is unknown. Just because it's pink doesn't necessarily mean it has to be Rose. The Centippetle Mother and The Gem Cave Creature, were two gems that could make creatuers that had the same color palette as them. So the easiest assumption would be that Rose made Lion to be a guardian of sorts to the things she held dear, like Steven.

      Argument: Lion can summon Rose's sword.

      Counter-argument: We have never seen Lion summon Rose's sword by himself. We could say that Lion himself is just a medium in which Rose's sword can be pulled out by others.

      Argument: Rose is not dead, she gave up her physical form to give birth to Steven and her new form is Lion.

      Counter-argument: Yep, technically Rose is not dead but is inside her gem. She did give up her physical form for Steven. But she did not make a new physical construct in the form of Lion. The Gem's physical constructs are just an extension of their gems, and where do you think Rose's gem is? With Steven ofc.  But what about the pink whale inside her room with her voice? What about it? Steven was inside the room, it would indirectly place Rose in the room as well, via her gem. She could've easily manipulated the room to ask Steven in the form of a whale.

      Also, why would Rose mold herself in the form of a lion who can't speak? If she can project herself outside of her gem, then what's stopping her from doing a form closer to her real appearance and was actually able to communicate, it would've been more practical.

      Argument: How'd Steven enter Lion's mane?

      Counter-argument: Through portals, durh. Rose was never implied to have the power to teleport nor open portals. This would indicate that Lion is a separate entity that has his own unique abilities.

      Argument: Lion's gem is inside his stomach and is never shown.

      Counter-argument: This argument just made your assumption have less water than it already had. If Lion's gem is indeed inside his stomach, it would mean that he's another separate gem and not Rose.

      Argument: Since Rose's things is in Lion's mane, the theory holds.

      Counter-argument: By that logic, each of the Gems' rooms would be them as well, as the rooms of the Gems hold their things.

      Argument: If Lion's belly is shown and has gem, he would be Rose.

      Counter-argument: Serious question, have you seen the episode "Lion 3: Straight to Video" because if you have. You'd now that Lion's belly has been shown multiple times.



      Will continue in the morning, it's 12:20 AM here and I am sleepy.


      I never see lion belly showed

      also, the fur can hide the gem.

      and he summoned the rose sword

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    • Since gems are genderless, that could be an easy explanation as to why lion has a mane.

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    • Biesaga wrote:
      Since gems are genderless, that could be an easy explanation as to why lion has a mane.

      Not really.

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    • I buy Biesaga's logic.

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    • Dashmiere? :I

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    • Lion isn't Rose Quartz (my opinion)

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    • LikeBrony wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:

      Tuckyd wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote: who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

      Very true

      His name was Lion because that's what he is. Rose is not named Lion because she is not a lion.

      again, lion is not its official name.

      When Steven says Lion, Lion responds, ergo his name is Lion. When Greg said Rose, Rose responded, because Rose was her name, not Lion.

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    • Gnx486 wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:

      Tuckyd wrote:


      LikeBrony wrote: who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

      Very true
      His name was Lion because that's what he is. Rose is not named Lion because she is not a lion.
      again, lion is not its official name.
      When Steven says Lion, Lion responds, ergo his name is Lion. When Greg said Rose, Rose responded, because Rose was her name, not Lion.

      How can you be so ignorant?

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    • Rose is Steven.

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    • Biesaga wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:

      Tuckyd wrote:


      LikeBrony wrote: who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

      Very true
      His name was Lion because that's what he is. Rose is not named Lion because she is not a lion.
      again, lion is not its official name.
      When Steven says Lion, Lion responds, ergo his name is Lion. When Greg said Rose, Rose responded, because Rose was her name, not Lion.

      How can you be so ignorant?

      Well, seeing as how everything I just said happened in the show, ignorant is the opposite of what I am, so I unfortunately do not know how to answer your question :\

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    • Gnx486 wrote:

      Biesaga wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote:


      Gnx486 wrote:

      Tuckyd wrote:


      LikeBrony wrote: who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

      Very true
      His name was Lion because that's what he is. Rose is not named Lion because she is not a lion.
      again, lion is not its official name.
      When Steven says Lion, Lion responds, ergo his name is Lion. When Greg said Rose, Rose responded, because Rose was her name, not Lion.
      How can you be so ignorant?
      Well, seeing as how everything I just said happened in the show, ignorant is the opposite of what I am. :\

      Ignorant as in you seem as though you can't understand what LikeBrony is saying.

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    • Biesaga wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:

      Biesaga wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote:


      Gnx486 wrote:

      Tuckyd wrote:


      LikeBrony wrote: who said his ORIGINAL/REAL name is lion? steven give this name to him, is not a real name.

      Very true
      His name was Lion because that's what he is. Rose is not named Lion because she is not a lion.
      again, lion is not its official name.
      When Steven says Lion, Lion responds, ergo his name is Lion. When Greg said Rose, Rose responded, because Rose was her name, not Lion.
      How can you be so ignorant?
      Well, seeing as how everything I just said happened in the show, ignorant is the opposite of what I am. :\

      Ignorant as in you seem as though you can't understand what LikeBrony is saying.

      The word you're thinking of is "illiterate" and I've demonstrated that I am not by virtue of the fact that I'm acknowledging and responding to posts in this thread.

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    • I see no evidence to support this theory.

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    • Rose is not Lion, but ahe is DEFINITELY related to Lion in some way. The only thing that backs up this theory is the fact that Amethyst Pearl and Garnet had never met Lion until the episode he was introduced. So he couldnt have been Roses pet.

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    • Sticks the Badger wrote:
      I see no evidence to support this theory.

      pink fur, rose sword...

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    • Imroflo wrote:
      Rose is not Lion, but ahe is DEFINITELY related to Lion in some way. The only thing that backs up this theory is the fact that Amethyst Pearl and Garnet had never met Lion until the episode he was introduced. So he couldnt have been Roses pet.

      if lion is related to rose, why the crystal gems never met lion until the episode? :>

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Imroflo wrote:
      Rose is not Lion, but ahe is DEFINITELY related to Lion in some way. The only thing that backs up this theory is the fact that Amethyst Pearl and Garnet had never met Lion until the episode he was introduced. So he couldnt have been Roses pet.
      if lion is related to rose, why the crystal gems never met lion until the episode? :>

      Because Rose kept Lion a secret form the other Gems (from everybody). For when the time comes that she had to give up her physical form and gem to Steven, there would be someone whom Rose could trust to watch over her son.

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    • Judgekoo wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Imroflo wrote:
      Rose is not Lion, but ahe is DEFINITELY related to Lion in some way. The only thing that backs up this theory is the fact that Amethyst Pearl and Garnet had never met Lion until the episode he was introduced. So he couldnt have been Roses pet.
      if lion is related to rose, why the crystal gems never met lion until the episode? :>
      Because Rose kept Lion a secret form the other Gems (from everybody). For when the time comes that she had to give up her physical form and gem to Steven, there would be someone whom Rose could trust to watch over her son.

      rose hide somethinf from crystal gems? naaah

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Judgekoo wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Imroflo wrote:
      Rose is not Lion, but ahe is DEFINITELY related to Lion in some way. The only thing that backs up this theory is the fact that Amethyst Pearl and Garnet had never met Lion until the episode he was introduced. So he couldnt have been Roses pet.
      if lion is related to rose, why the crystal gems never met lion until the episode? :>
      Because Rose kept Lion a secret form the other Gems (from everybody). For when the time comes that she had to give up her physical form and gem to Steven, there would be someone whom Rose could trust to watch over her son.
      rose hide somethinf from crystal gems? naaah

      Now you're just being arrogant. It's one thing to adamantly stick to your own views but now you're just denying the views of others without even looking at the possibilities of it actually occuring.

      It is still quite possible that Gems have their own secrets. Though they may be a team, each of them is still an individual.

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    • Judgekoo wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Judgekoo wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Imroflo wrote:
      Rose is not Lion, but ahe is DEFINITELY related to Lion in some way. The only thing that backs up this theory is the fact that Amethyst Pearl and Garnet had never met Lion until the episode he was introduced. So he couldnt have been Roses pet.
      if lion is related to rose, why the crystal gems never met lion until the episode? :>
      Because Rose kept Lion a secret form the other Gems (from everybody). For when the time comes that she had to give up her physical form and gem to Steven, there would be someone whom Rose could trust to watch over her son.
      rose hide somethinf from crystal gems? naaah
      Now you're just being arrogant. It's one thing to adamantly stick to your own views but now you're just denying the views of others without even looking at the possibilities of it actually occuring.

      It is still quite possible that Gems have their own secrets. Though they may be a team, each of them is still an individual.

      ikr, gems have their own secrets but would be hard rose hide something. put is possible.

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Judgekoo wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Judgekoo wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Imroflo wrote:
      Rose is not Lion, but ahe is DEFINITELY related to Lion in some way. The only thing that backs up this theory is the fact that Amethyst Pearl and Garnet had never met Lion until the episode he was introduced. So he couldnt have been Roses pet.
      if lion is related to rose, why the crystal gems never met lion until the episode? :>
      Because Rose kept Lion a secret form the other Gems (from everybody). For when the time comes that she had to give up her physical form and gem to Steven, there would be someone whom Rose could trust to watch over her son.
      rose hide somethinf from crystal gems? naaah
      Now you're just being arrogant. It's one thing to adamantly stick to your own views but now you're just denying the views of others without even looking at the possibilities of it actually occuring.

      It is still quite possible that Gems have their own secrets. Though they may be a team, each of them is still an individual.

      ikr, gems have their own secrets but would be hard rose hide something. put is possible.

      It wouldn't really be that hard, as keeping the secret of Lion's existence isn't hurting, or at the very least affecting, anyone. So it wouldn't have went against Rose's moral guidelines. And as for hiding Lion, Lion has the ability to teleport, so Rose could've said to Lion to hide someplace where the Gems can't find him and stay there until the time was right. Keeping a secret =/= Lying.

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    • Rose is Steven.

      Lion was probably kept a secret.

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    • To borrow a quote from The Simpsons, "Unlikely, sir. They spell and pronounce their names differently."

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    • lets wait for rose scabbard.

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    • Gnx486 wrote:
      To borrow a quote from The Simpsons, "Unlikely, sir. They spell and pronounce their names differently."

      To who is that directed? Lion 3 is all the evidence I need.

      Funny though.

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    • Gnx486 wrote:
      To borrow a quote from The Simpsons, "Unlikely, sir. They spell and pronounce their names differently."

      Hmm... you know Steven named Lion as Lion, right? Like a pet, it responds to the name given by its owner. I also don't think Lion is Rose, but your argument of different names makes no sense to me.

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    • I thought Lion was Rose too (y'know same color, pink) but now I doubt it. Sure Lion has some sort of connection with Rose having her stuff and all but Rose in her video she's a part of him now loving him.

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    • I cant wait for the episode,

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    • Rose gave up her physical form to make Steven and so, her gem was given to her son. Lion can't be Rose because he has not Rose's gem anywhere on his body. I think it's pretty obvious. If you use your common sense and pay attention to the show, you'd understand it perfectly.

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    • According to Rose's Scabbard, Lion is not Rose.

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    • Why is this thread still here?

      Rose is Steven! Go and watch Lion 3 again!

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    • Tim68 wrote: According to Rose's Scabbard, Lion is not Rose.

      It's like I've been saying, Lion is not named Rose, Lion is named Lion hence they can't be the same.

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    • Gnx486 wrote:

      It's like I've been saying, Lion is not named Rose, Lion is named Lion hence they can't be the same.

      That is still bad reasoning! I have no idea how you think that works!

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    • And still, people's mind is shrouded by God only knows what. A gem, including the Crystal Gems, can't live or stand on their feet without having a gemstone, or any possible relationship with one, in their body for it to be a gem. Lion is not Rose because HE HAS NOT ROSE'S GEM. Go and watch "Lion 3: Straight to Video" and you'll see how his stomach is shown and he has not Rose's gem. Who has Rose's Gem? Steven Quartz Universe. Have you seen his stomach? YES, he has a pink gemstone in HIS stomach which activates each time it wants and summons her mother's shield and other magical stuff. Have you payed attention to what just Pearl said in "Rose's Scabbard"? NO, because she asked Steven if he, because he has his MOTHER'S GEM, could somehow remember that place up in that floating piece of earth where she was sitting on. Adding to that, Rose is not Steven neither. The fact of him having that his mother's gem in his body doesn't transform him in Rose. They have different personalities and besides,  the ep of today explained so many things and people still ask the same thing over and over. I think the show specifically gives you anything you need to make a good theory  or to wonder about something logical because it's self-evident. But well. 

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    • Biesaga wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:

      It's like I've been saying, Lion is not named Rose, Lion is named Lion hence they can't be the same.

      That is still bad reasoning! I have no idea how you think that works!

      I don't, I'm just messing around. They're really probably not the same, though.

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    • For the 3rd time close this thread. It's been disproven by Lion 3: Straight to Video in two ways.

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    • TheBoomerCow wrote:
      For the 3rd time close this thread. It's been disproven by Lion 3: Straight to Video in two ways.

      whatever, seomeone close this.

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    • Remember on how Rose said half of her would become steven, I think Lion is that other half or maybe an imperfect clone that found it's way to Steven on it's own that may explain the connection.

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    • IblisTheEternalSunGod wrote:
      Remember on how Rose said half of her would become steven, I think Lion is that other half or maybe an imperfect clone that found it's way to Steven on it's own that may explain the connection.


      Rose never said half of her would be Steven. She said she would be half of Steven. That is, 100% of Rose is 50% of Steven.

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    • !! this is a really cool theory! id also like to point out the scene in rose's scabbard where pearl was incredibly stiff on how she was saying rose didn't have a lion! it's possible rose never had a lion, but became the lion afterwards! and maybe when lion took steven to the armory, it was like a mother/son hand-me-down or "this is your birthright"  sorta thing? 

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    • while i dont belive rose is lion i belive rose used her gem magic on regular lion to make him the lion we know known so after she was gone lion would watch her son

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    • I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

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    • No, I'm not sure when this qustion was posed but they wouldn't have had an entire episode devoted to lion trying to get Steven to see a video of Rose actually explaining to Steven what was going to happen and about her actually being a part of him to go "lol Rose was lion all along." I'm assuming this question was posed long before that episode but if it was open to debate before it was closed when that episode aired.

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    • Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      The analogy with Lapis and her mirror with Rose and Lion is kinda off. I also believe that Lion is not Rose but has a connection with her and Lion may just be an extension of Rose's conciousness (or probably an etirely different entity). My problem with the analogy is in Lapis' case, her gemstone was in direct contact with the mirror she was in, albeit bound. Her personality could've easily manifested in the mirror, as the mirror itself was acting as a proxy body for Lapis. In Rose's case, her gem is with Steven and not in direct contact (or any contact for that matter) with Lion.

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    • I like the theory I saw some time back of Lion being made in Rose's room which is why he's pink like the tiny floating whale

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    • Yes, let's close this thread. Rose's Scabbard, proved this theory debunked, which all of us have been saying, so.

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    • Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      If that's the case, Lion would be somewhat like Holo-Pearl. He's not. Rose's Scabbard even tries to tell us this by the constant "Rose had her secrets". If Lion wasn't in the ep., the theme wouldn't have been as relevant.

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    • I'm sorry here's a theory

      Rose rescued Lion and lion had this honor complex and swore to protect her instincitvely, then for some reason Rose hid Lion from the rest of the Gems. On a mission between Rose and Lion, Rose nearly sunk in a sand dune but Lion saved her then ended up sinking. Rose presumed he was dead after attempting to get him out of the sand, and returned to the temple, now not needing to keep her secret. Lion ended up surviving and sensed that Steven was the same gem as Rose Quartz, so he kept his promise when he met Steven, and continues to today.

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    • wait, dont lock the thread!

      maybe rose hided lion from the crystal gems because she know that she will need give her psychical form to make steven, soo she possesed lion.

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      wait, dont lock the thread!

      maybe rose hided lion from the crystal gems because she know that she will need give her psychical form to make steven, soo she possesed lion.

      Likebrony wrote:
      psychical form

      So Rose gave up her mind? õ_Ô

      Jokes aside, I think that if Lion was Rose, Lion would act more like Rose

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    • Tim68 wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      wait, dont lock the thread!

      maybe rose hided lion from the crystal gems because she know that she will need give her psychical form to make steven, soo she possesed lion.

      Likebrony wrote:
      psychical form
      So Rose gave up her mind? õ_Ô

      Jokes aside, I think that if Lion was Rose, Lion would act more like Rose

      no, just the body.

      well, lion found rose's sword thing in rose scabbard...

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    • Gnx486 wrote: Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead. Reneelovesanime wrote : Thank you, it isn't even the fact that Rose is a girl, as he says people say, but Rose is no longer roaming the earth, she is apart of Steven. So does that mean Lion is steven too? No

      well rose gave steven her gem this doesn't mean she is steven and at the end of roses scabbard lions eyes are seen glowing leading to a connection possibly leading to the assumption that he could be rose.

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    • Mysteryman555 wrote:
      Gnx486 wrote:

      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead. Reneelovesanime wrote : Thank you, it isn't even the fact that Rose is a girl, as he says people say, but Rose is no longer roaming the earth, she is apart of Steven. So does that mean Lion is steven too? No well rose gave steven her gem this doesn't mean she is steven and at the end of roses scabbard lions eyes are seen glowing leading to a connection possibly leading to the assumption that he could be rose.

      He probably just reacts to that gem.

      Watch the episodes over again.

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    • earlier in the episode pearl asks steven if he can remember anything rose did and if rose could see through his eyes then later seeing lions eyes glowing and made me think he could be rose

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    • Fusion Theory!

      Steven Universe + Lion = ROSE QUARTZ!

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    • With a show like Steven Universe, you just don't know what will happen.

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    • Judgekoo wrote:

      Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      The analogy with Lapis and her mirror with Rose and Lion is kinda off. I also believe that Lion is not Rose but has a connection with her and Lion may just be an extension of Rose's conciousness (or probably an etirely different entity). My problem with the analogy is in Lapis' case, her gemstone was in direct contact with the mirror she was in, albeit bound. Her personality could've easily manifested in the mirror, as the mirror itself was acting as a proxy body for Lapis. In Rose's case, her gem is with Steven and not in direct contact (or any contact for that matter) with Lion.

      I definitely understand where you are coming from with Lapis' gem connected to the mirror while Lion is not attached to Steven. That's a good point. Perhaps a better analogy could be Holo-Pearl? Rose could have altered the appearance to be a lion and given it much higher intelligence than Halo-Pearl had. She was so connected to life and nature that it makes sense that she could make a holo more lifelike than Pearl could.

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    • TheBoomerCow wrote:

      Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      If that's the case, Lion would be somewhat like Holo-Pearl. He's not. Rose's Scabbard even tries to tell us this by the constant "Rose had her secrets". If Lion wasn't in the ep., the theme wouldn't have been as relevant.

      I'm not quite comprehending how the whole "Rose had her secrets." quote makes my theory debunked? Actually, the connection to Holo-Pearl is a much analogy than Lapis' mirror. If Lion was a holo, that could explain how he just appears whenever Steven needs him most.

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    • Samus Fan101 wrote:

      TheBoomerCow wrote:

      Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      If that's the case, Lion would be somewhat like Holo-Pearl. He's not. Rose's Scabbard even tries to tell us this by the constant "Rose had her secrets". If Lion wasn't in the ep., the theme wouldn't have been as relevant.
      I'm not quite comprehending how the whole "Rose had her secrets." quote makes my theory debunked? Actually, the connection to Holo-Pearl is a much analogy than Lapis' mirror. If Lion was a holo, that could explain how he just appears whenever Steven needs him most.

      Yeah, but holo's have blank eyes and aren't physical.

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    • Biesaga wrote:
      Samus Fan101 wrote:

      TheBoomerCow wrote:


      Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      If that's the case, Lion would be somewhat like Holo-Pearl. He's not. Rose's Scabbard even tries to tell us this by the constant "Rose had her secrets". If Lion wasn't in the ep., the theme wouldn't have been as relevant.
      I'm not quite comprehending how the whole "Rose had her secrets." quote makes my theory debunked? Actually, the connection to Holo-Pearl is a much analogy than Lapis' mirror. If Lion was a holo, that could explain how he just appears whenever Steven needs him most.
      Yeah, but holo's have blank eyes and aren't physical.

      Wait, I just remembered that Lion siometimes gets blank, glowing eyes.

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    • Biesaga wrote:

      Biesaga wrote:
      Samus Fan101 wrote:

      TheBoomerCow wrote:


      Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      If that's the case, Lion would be somewhat like Holo-Pearl. He's not. Rose's Scabbard even tries to tell us this by the constant "Rose had her secrets". If Lion wasn't in the ep., the theme wouldn't have been as relevant.
      I'm not quite comprehending how the whole "Rose had her secrets." quote makes my theory debunked? Actually, the connection to Holo-Pearl is a much analogy than Lapis' mirror. If Lion was a holo, that could explain how he just appears whenever Steven needs him most.
      Yeah, but holo's have blank eyes and aren't physical.

      Wait, I just remembered that Lion siometimes gets blank, glowing eyes.

      Rose could have also been much better at creating Holo's than Pearl is. After all, Holo-Pearl is our only frame of reference at this time and Holo's could possibly have the ability to possess much higher intelligence should it be needed.

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    • I think Lion is a part of Rose. In "Marble Madness", Connie mentions the book series "The UnFamiliar Familiar" which I'm almost certain is a reference to the "His Dark Materials" trilogy by Phillip Pullman.

      For those unfamiliar, the books follow the adventures of a girl named Lyra, who comes from a world where every human has a spirit animal(daemon) that is a reflection of their personality.  The concept is based on the "Catholic" idea of the body, the soul, and the spirit, with daemons being a physical manifestation of the spirit.  Daemons are almost always the opposite gender of their humans, as they reflect another apsect of our own consciousness (as we've addressed, Lion being male, and Rose technically being female.)

      In her video tape, Rose mentioned how HALF of her would become Steven, and I've always wondered what the other half was.  Clearly she gave up her physical form, and I believe her soul resides within the gem and Steven, leaving Lion as the spirit.  It would explain why Pearl and the others never knew of Lion - he didn't physically exist until Rose "died."

      Also, I'd like to point out that "Rose's Scabbard" didn't debunk any theories about who, what, or how Steven, Lion and Rose are connected.  Until we have an episode with a proper origin story for Lion, it's anyone's guess. I'm hoping that Season 2's "Say Uncle" will clear things up though. 

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    • Howdoyoudo90 wrote: I think Lion is a part of Rose. In "Marble Madness", Connie mentions the book series "The UnFamiliar Familiar" which I'm almost certain is a reference to the "His Dark Materials" trilogy by Phillip Pullman.

      For those unfamiliar, the books follow the adventures of a girl named Lyra, who comes from a world where every human has a spirit animal(daemon) that is a reflection of their personality.  The concept is based on the "Catholic" idea of the body, the soul, and the spirit, with daemons being a physical manifestation of the spirit.  Daemons are almost always the opposite gender of their humans, as they reflect another apsect of our own consciousness (as we've addressed, Lion being male, and Rose technically being female.)

      In her video tape, Rose mentioned how HALF of her would become Steven, and I've always wondered what the other half was.  Clearly she gave up her physical form, and I believe her soul resides within the gem and Steven, leaving Lion as the spirit.  It would explain why Pearl and the others never knew of Lion - he didn't physically exist until Rose "died."

      Rose didn't say half of her would become Steven, she said that she would become half of him. all of Rose = half of Steven

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    • Samus Fan101 wrote:

      TheBoomerCow wrote:

      Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      If that's the case, Lion would be somewhat like Holo-Pearl. He's not. Rose's Scabbard even tries to tell us this by the constant "Rose had her secrets". If Lion wasn't in the ep., the theme wouldn't have been as relevant.
      I'm not quite comprehending how the whole "Rose had her secrets." quote makes my theory debunked? Actually, the connection to Holo-Pearl is a much analogy than Lapis' mirror. If Lion was a holo, that could explain how he just appears whenever Steven needs him most.

      The theme of Rose's Scabbard was Rose having secrets, even from Pearl. Lion reminded Pearl that secrets were kept from her too, all throughout the episode. It seemed like the episode was trying to tell us that only Rose knew about Lion, even while she wasn't Steven (dead?). It doesn't debunk your theory, it just makes it not as plausible. You could still be right.

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    • well, lion was problably and secret from everyone because rose know she would give her psychical for to make steven, soo she hided lion to posses it when steven borns.

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      well, lion was problably and secret from everyone because rose know she would give her psychical for to make steven, soo she hided lion to posses it when steven borns.

      Well, before you make theories, please take an elementary school lesson on typing. Geez, people on this wiki type like babies after Jalapeno Thursdays. Do you even pay attention in class, or are you just obsessing over your lord and savior, Steven?

      Anyways, this theory is obviously wrong. We need to remember Steven is still part human. Rose is still probably possessing Steven's gem, in order to power it. If you read The Red Pyramid (Well, you're all watching a show about a kid who eats McDonalds for every meal who is hallucinating about adventures with magical ladies. You wouldn't know good literature if it hit you in the balls), you know that Carter and Sadie were powered up by the gods. When the gods left them, they had A LOT less power.

      Let's look at this. Steven was able to block a beam that would've caused a MILITARY GRADE EXPLOSION (a reference to the Red Pyramid's sequel, Throne of Fire). We know that he is a beginning gem, just learning to master his powers. We knoew that this modern gemtech is EXTREMELY advanced. At the very least, Steven's shield would've cracked. We have seen Pearl's spear broken multiple times by much less force. We know that Rose is more powerful than Pearl.

      Basically, Shrek is love, Shrek is life Rose is inside Steven's gem.

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    • DoubleTake8 wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      well, lion was problably and secret from everyone because rose know she would give her psychical for to make steven, soo she hided lion to posses it when steven borns.
      Well, before you make theories, please take an elementary school lesson on typing.

      Im brazilian and my grammar is bad

      see what the people are before comment of it.

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    • DoubleTake8 wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote:
      well, lion was problably and secret from everyone because rose know she would give her psychical for to make steven, soo she hided lion to posses it when steven borns.

      Well, before you make theories, please take an elementary school lesson on typing. Geez, people on this wiki type like babies after Jalapeno Thursdays. Do you even pay attention in class, or are you just obsessing over your lord and savior, Steven?

      Anyways, this theory is obviously wrong. We need to remember Steven is still part human. Rose is still probably possessing Steven's gem, in order to power it. If you read The Red Pyramid (Well, you're all watching a show about a kid who eats McDonalds for every meal who is hallucinating about adventures with magical ladies. You wouldn't know good literature if it hit you in the balls), you know that Carter and Sadie were powered up by the gods. When the gods left them, they had A LOT less power.

      Let's look at this. Steven was able to block a beam that would've caused a MILITARY GRADE EXPLOSION (a reference to the Red Pyramid's sequel, Throne of Fire). We know that he is a beginning gem, just learning to master his powers. We knoew that this modern gemtech is EXTREMELY advanced. At the very least, Steven's shield would've cracked. We have seen Pearl's spear broken multiple times by much less force. We know that Rose is more powerful than Pearl.

      Basically, Shrek is love, Shrek is life Rose is inside Steven's gem.

      there's no reason to be so harsh in LikeBrony, he doesn't know English as well as us. p.s. I watch this show and have also read the kane chronicles, I don't see the reason for you bagging the show

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      Well Pearl and the rest never seeing Lion before would make sense. Though it would have to be half of Rose. Half is part of Steven too.

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      before you comment "BUT ROSE IS A GIRL"

      1: gems are genderless

      2: lion gender not confirmed

      now lets analysis why rose is lion:

      both pink.

      both connection with steven

      he summons rose's sword

      soo....

      Saying that lion IS rose because hes pink is a very unstable argument.  It's like saying the tiny whale is rose. 

      Lion has a connection with Steven because he had the same connection with Rose.  In that he was Rose's pet.

      He only summoned Rose's sword through his pocket dimension.  Much like Pearl summoned the mirror Lapis, or the roll of police tape. 

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    • i still think that before rose passed on to make steven she created lion 

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    • Octopussoup wrote:

       

      Well Pearl and the rest never seeing Lion before would make sense. Though it would have to be half of Rose. Half is part of Steven too.

      rose didn't split in half

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    • Kapadie wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      before you comment "BUT ROSE IS A GIRL"

      1: gems are genderless

      2: lion gender not confirmed

      now lets analysis why rose is lion:

      both pink.

      both connection with steven

      he summons rose's sword

      soo....

      Saying that lion IS rose because hes pink is a very unstable argument.  It's like saying the tiny whale is rose. 

      tiny whale have same voice actors.

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    • rose has a lion?!

      jk, lol

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    • TheBoomerCow wrote:

      Samus Fan101 wrote:

      TheBoomerCow wrote:

      Samus Fan101 wrote:
      I might as well contribute... In my opinion, based on Lion 3 and Rose's Scabbard, it is obvious that Lion is not Rose. Rose's gemstone is with Steven now. I believe that Rose's consciousness within her gemstone is acting under the same principle that Lapis Lazuli had with the mirror. That is, the actual Rose, her consciousness and essence, is locked away within her gemstone in order to allow Steven to exist. We know from Rose's Scabbard that Pearl, who claims to know all of Rose's secrets, didn't know about Lion before his initial appearance, exclaiming "Rose never had a lion." So I think Lion is an extension of Rose's consciousness being projected from the Rose Quartz gem. Lion isn't Rose or a separate entity, but merely on the same level as Lapis' mirror. A device used by gems locked away within their gemstone to communicate with the outside world.

      This is completely my opinion as based on the evidence provided from the episodes aired thus far. Feel free to agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, I would love to know why, perhaps I have overlooked or missed something in my analysis of the situation.

      If that's the case, Lion would be somewhat like Holo-Pearl. He's not. Rose's Scabbard even tries to tell us this by the constant "Rose had her secrets". If Lion wasn't in the ep., the theme wouldn't have been as relevant.
      I'm not quite comprehending how the whole "Rose had her secrets." quote makes my theory debunked? Actually, the connection to Holo-Pearl is a much analogy than Lapis' mirror. If Lion was a holo, that could explain how he just appears whenever Steven needs him most.

      The theme of Rose's Scabbard was Rose having secrets, even from Pearl. Lion reminded Pearl that secrets were kept from her too, all throughout the episode. It seemed like the episode was trying to tell us that only Rose knew about Lion, even while she wasn't Steven (dead?). It doesn't debunk your theory, it just makes it not as plausible. You could still be right.

      Ah okay, I see your point! That is an interesting interpretation of the themes of that episode. Actually, once again, you've given me insight to expand my theory! Even if Rose had kept Lion secret, that doesn't mean he isn't a holo created by Rose Quartz to protect Steven. Since we know that she knew she would have to give up her physical form for Steven, perhaps she created him in secret so that the other gems and Greg wouldn't know that they were about to lose Rose forever.

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    • DoubleTake8 wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      well, lion was problably and secret from everyone because rose know she would give her psychical for to make steven, soo she hided lion to posses it when steven borns.
      Well, before you make theories, please take an elementary school lesson on typing. Geez, people on this wiki type like babies after Jalapeno Thursdays. Do you even pay attention in class, or are you just obsessing over your lord and savior, Steven?

      Anyways, this theory is obviously wrong. We need to remember Steven is still part human. Rose is still probably possessing Steven's gem, in order to power it. If you read The Red Pyramid (Well, you're all watching a show about a kid who eats McDonalds for every meal who is hallucinating about adventures with magical ladies. You wouldn't know good literature if it hit you in the balls), you know that Carter and Sadie were powered up by the gods. When the gods left them, they had A LOT less power.

      Let's look at this. Steven was able to block a beam that would've caused a MILITARY GRADE EXPLOSION (a reference to the Red Pyramid's sequel, Throne of Fire). We know that he is a beginning gem, just learning to master his powers. We knoew that this modern gemtech is EXTREMELY advanced. At the very least, Steven's shield would've cracked. We have seen Pearl's spear broken multiple times by much less force. We know that Rose is more powerful than Pearl.

      Basically, Shrek is love, Shrek is life Rose is inside Steven's gem.

      Lol, really? You've got a couple grammar and spelling mistakes in there. AND you're referring to a children's series with basic writing as literature?

      I hope this was all poorly delivered sarcasam, for your sake. Also - McDonalds? How does that at all come into play? Are you making fun of the fact that Steven's overweight? Because if so, you're missing the point. One of the themes of the show is the idea of the underdog being just as good as anyone else, how they're perfect, flaws and all just as they are. Hence the Crystal Gems being a bunch of weirdos (from a gem perspective) - a permanent fusion, "a defective Pearl," and "an over cooked runt" with a half human, half gem "abomination." 

      And just in case your incredible literary skills fail to interpret this message, the point of this post is that you should never pick on anyone - especially not because of some percieved weakness, and certainly not over your own ill conceived sense of pseudo superiority. 

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    • I always thought there was some symbolism in the fact that Rose was the leader of the crystal gems while a lion is the symbol for the regality aka  "the king of beasts".

      1.Rose did not die, she simply gave up physical form so steven could be born. Steven has Rose's inactivated body, her gem while lion has her soul.

      2. Lion is probably a male lion mostly for the benefit of the viewers since without his mane, it would simply look like a Puma or any other overgrown cat.

      3. Although this only raises a question, Why doesn't lion help Steven in any way against Jasper and Peridot despite appearing in The Return to bring Steven back to Beach City to face them and at the end of Jailbreak to welcome him back? Even though, Lion has been shown to have some protective insinct toward Steven and some combat capability.

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    • Painite wrote: I always thought there was some symbolism in the fact that Rose was the leader of the crystal gems while a lion is the symbol for the regality aka  "the king of beasts".

      1.Rose did not die, she simply gave up physical form so steven could be born. Steven has Rose's inactivated body, her gem while lion has her soul.

      2. Lion is probably a male lion mostly for the benefit of the viewers since without his mane, it would simply look like a Puma or any other overgrown cat.

      3. Although this only raises a question, Why doesn't lion help Steven in any way against Jasper and Peridot despite appearing in The Return to bring Steven back to Beach City to face them and at the end of Jailbreak to welcome him back? Even though, Lion has been shown to have some protective insinct toward Steven and some combat capability.

      Steven told him to stay with Greg so that might have had something to do with him staying

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    • Steven normally has a  hard time controlling lion who generally generally does whatever it wants which usually is to protect Steve in some way (i.e. in the episode, Rose's Scabbard, Lion did not even respond to Steve calling it by name) so one of the few times, it actually does listen to Steve is when he tells it to stay behind even though it puts Steven in semi-mortal danger. The only plausible explanations are like you said it chose that moment to listen to Steven (despite Garnet and the other gems being defeated and, Steven being knocked unconscious then abducted right in front of Lion) or it believed that Steven matured to the point that gems like Jasper and Peridot were not a true threat. Lion generally acts in a way that protects Steven while at the same time fostering his growth and maturity kinda like a mother ;P.

      That said 3. in my last comment was just a side tangent that had nothing to do with my belief that Steven's gem is Rose's body while Lion is her soul.

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    • I have also liked to think this was the case because I assumed, when Steven was created, half of his essence came from Greg and half came from Rose.

      Rose Quartz is a very old and extremely powerful, skilled, charismatic gem so I can't imagine, if Steven were holding the entirety of Rose in himself, that his human side would stand a chance of manifesting itself; His humanity would be overwhelmed by the force of the full Rose Quartz presence. 

      Additionally, Steven is a manifestation of the love shared between Rose and Greg so I think Rose would want Steven to be equal parts Greg and her. As we've recently learned, when two gems love each other, they will give up the whole of themselves to fuse with the whole of their partner to form a completely new being that is stronger than either but equal parts both of them. Conversely, a very, very basic approach to the concept of human reproduction is that a child is formed through the union of half of each parent's DNA into a full person. Therefore, since Greg is biologically limited to only being able to provide half of himself, Rose would have to match Greg and only contribute half of herself for Steven to be an equal union of the two.

      So, if this is the case, Lion could simply be the byproduct of this human-gem fusion process. He could be just the excess parts of Rose that didn't go into Steven, which could also serve to explain Lion's inconsistent behaviour. If Lion is the manifestation of excess Rose then he wouldn't be a complete being and wouldn't have many of the full personality traits of Rose.

      ... But, this is all just my personal theory. It pleases me to think this way and I thought it was a decent enough theory to share but I'm not married to the idea and would just as easily accept others if and when they are demonstrated in the series.


      I just want to end off with one little notion that occurred to me as I was writing this. If Steven is equal parts Greg and Rose then he would be even-steven~ ;P 

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    • Haruko-chan wrote:

      Additionally, Steven is a manifestation of the love shared between Rose and Greg so I think Rose would want Steven to be equal parts Greg and her. As we've recently learned, when two gems love each other, they will give up the whole of themselves to fuse with the whole of their partner to form a completely new being that is stronger than either but equal parts both of them. Conversely, a very, very basic approach to the concept of human reproduction is that a child is formed through the union of half of each parent's DNA into a full person. Therefore, since Greg is biologically limited to only being able to provide half of himself, Rose would have to match Greg and only contribute half of herself for Steven to be an equal union of the two.

      So, if this is the case, Lion could simply be the byproduct of this human-gem fusion process. He could be just the excess parts of Rose that didn't go into Steven, which could also serve to explain Lion's inconsistent behaviour. If Lion is the manifestation of excess Rose then he wouldn't be a complete being and wouldn't have many of the full personality traits of Rose.

      ... But, this is all just my personal theory. It pleases me to think this way and I thought it was a decent enough theory to share but I'm not married to the idea and would just as easily accept others if and when they are demonstrated in the series.


      I just want to end off with one little notion that occurred to me as I was writing this. If Steven is equal parts Greg and Rose then he would be even-steven~ ;P 

      I like your theory, a lot. If I'm wrong in my theory, I hope canon is close to yours. 

      You make a good point about human reproduction. Really good. I think that I'd like to say that Steven probably isn't equal parts Greg and Rose. Because Rose is from a species that can compact their entire selves into a relatively small amount of space. And so, I think Steven has 100% of Rose's gem, but Rose's gem does not play into Steven's genetic makeup. 

      But then that raises a lot of questions, yes I know. It's just fun to think about. I just don't take it too seriously. :)

      Lion is possibly Rose's familiar, I think. Lion is part of Rose's estate maybe. Everything that was hers now belongs to Steven, including magical big cats. I think that Rose probably created Lion with science, like Goliad from Adventure Time. Except Lion isn't evil. We'll probably find out about Lion's origins later. I'm not worried :)

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    • Actually, I'm also thinking Lion is a part of Rose. Maybe not Rose specifically but more like something that's holding onto the part of her that didn't create Steven. During "Rose's Scabbard", Pearl repeated multiple times that Rose never had a lion. It seems like Rose creates a lot of different items and creatures, even though her main weapon is a shield. She's created light canons, an armory, a room that creates desires (like the tiny floating whale), and many other things. She even brought plants to life and used them for battle.

      I wouldn't be surprised if she created a totem (Lion) to hold her essence when Steven is born/formed. After all, Rose said "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you". Where did the other half go? I'm wondering if the situation is similar to Garnet's situation (from "Jailbreak"). Garnet can't exist if Ruby and Sapphire exist. Ruby and Sapphire can't exist if Garnet exists. Garnet even hinted (in "Alone Together") that "You are not one person and you are not two" when Steven and Connie fused to create Steveonnie. I'm wondering if this is true for Steven and Lion. When they exist, Rose doesn't. When Rose exists, Steven and Lion don't. Might also work in another way too, where if Rose comes back, then Lion holds onto what remains of Steven until Rose 'leaves'. Just a guess though. 

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    • Dude, I couldn't read a thing you said.

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    • Neko Setsuka wrote: Actually, I'm also thinking Lion is a part of Rose. Maybe not Rose specifically but more like something that's holding onto the part of her that didn't create Steven. During "Rose's Scabbard", Pearl repeated multiple times that Rose never had a lion. It seems like Rose creates a lot of different items and creatures, even though her main weapon is a shield. She's created light canons, an armory, a room that creates desires (like the tiny floating whale), and many other things. She even brought plants to life and used them for battle. I wouldn't be surprised if she created a totem (Lion) to hold her essence when Steven is born/formed. After all, Rose said "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you". Where did the other half go? I'm wondering if the situation is similar to Garnet's situation (from "Jailbreak"). Garnet can't exist if Ruby and Sapphire exist. Ruby and Sapphire can't exist if Garnet exists. Garnet even hinted (in "Alone Together") that "You are not one person and you are not two" when Steven and Connie fused to create Steveonnie. I'm wondering if this is true for Steven and Lion. When they exist, Rose doesn't. When Rose exists, Steven and Lion don't. Might also work in another way too, where if Rose comes back, then Lion holds onto what remains of Steven until Rose 'leaves'. Just a guess though. 

      I can't believe how times I've said this, Rose didn't split in half and half of her isn't floating around somewhere

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:

      Neko Setsuka wrote: Actually, I'm also thinking Lion is a part of Rose. Maybe not Rose specifically but more like something that's holding onto the part of her that didn't create Steven. During "Rose's Scabbard", Pearl repeated multiple times that Rose never had a lion. It seems like Rose creates a lot of different items and creatures, even though her main weapon is a shield. She's created light canons, an armory, a room that creates desires (like the tiny floating whale), and many other things. She even brought plants to life and used them for battle. I wouldn't be surprised if she created a totem (Lion) to hold her essence when Steven is born/formed. After all, Rose said "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you". Where did the other half go? I'm wondering if the situation is similar to Garnet's situation (from "Jailbreak"). Garnet can't exist if Ruby and Sapphire exist. Ruby and Sapphire can't exist if Garnet exists. Garnet even hinted (in "Alone Together") that "You are not one person and you are not two" when Steven and Connie fused to create Steveonnie. I'm wondering if this is true for Steven and Lion. When they exist, Rose doesn't. When Rose exists, Steven and Lion don't. Might also work in another way too, where if Rose comes back, then Lion holds onto what remains of Steven until Rose 'leaves'. Just a guess though. 

      I can't believe how times I've said this, Rose didn't split in half and half of her isn't floating around somewhere

      It's just a theory. It could be true. It could also not be. I'm just basing this off of what I've seen so far and mostly because Pearl seemed so sure that Rose never had a Lion. Its true Rose could have kept Pearl in the dark but something about what Pearl said seemed like a hint from the writers. Again. Its just a theory though.

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    • it's just that people keep thinking "I'm going to become half of you" means "I'm going to split in half"

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    • all of rose became half of steven the other half is gregs dna not rose split in half

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    • Yes

      I'm pretty sure Rose is not Lion at this point; i'm quite frankly certain, even though I know there is a connection between the two. But heck, I was wrong about the Garnet fusion. The creators might do this to me too.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      before you comment "BUT ROSE IS A GIRL"

      1: gems are genderless

      2: lion gender not confirmed

      now lets analysis why rose is lion:

      both pink.

      both connection with steven

      he summons rose's sword

      soo....

      Lion is half of Rose, the other half is Steven. That being said, it might be possible(with the help of Steven) for Rose to return from Lion.

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    • wait...poke holes in this if you want. Mendel Discovered that when 2 things breed, the offspring gets half of the traits of his parents. Steven was the offspring of Greg Universe and Rose Quartz. He is half human/half gem. Gems cant survive without there gem. Hlaf of rose is in lion. Theory is that powers and aesthetics were given to steven but again her soul. Steven could very well be a reincarnation of rose (i.e. Avatar: the last aribender) But mye the human half is kepping him live and the soul is in lion. Just a theory. Do what ever you want with this post. I would like feedback.

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      • Gregor Mendel: Father of genetics, Red flower and white flower make pink flower.
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    • Donath2000 wrote:
      * Gregor Mendel: Father of genetics, Red flower and white flower make pink flower.

      That's Darwin, Mendel studied peas.

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    • Judgekoo wrote:
      Donath2000 wrote:
      * Gregor Mendel: Father of genetics, Red flower and white flower make pink flower.
      That's Darwin, Mendel studied peas.

      darwin: theory of evolution

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    • If Lion was Rose, I'd think it would be more helpful to Steven.

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    • NekoShonen236 wrote:
      If Lion was Rose, I'd think it would be more helpful to Steven.

      what if she was teaching steven to be strong and independent

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    • Donath2000 wrote:
      Judgekoo wrote:
      Donath2000 wrote:
      * Gregor Mendel: Father of genetics, Red flower and white flower make pink flower.
      That's Darwin, Mendel studied peas.
      darwin: theory of evolution

      Darwin is the father of evolution. One of his studies was with the flower "snapdragons", he studied the co-dominance exhibited by the flowers, crossing a red snap dragon and a white snapdragon causes to produce pink progeny.

      Mendel is the father of genetics. He most notably studied peas and their inheritance from one generation to the other and how genetics came into play. He crossed peas of different phenotypes and genotypes, to see which ones were dominant and which ones were recessive. He also used snapdragons, so I apologise for that.

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    • Rose is a watermelon.

      Lion is a watermelon.

      Four letters in both names.

      Four letters in four.

      Four letters in name.

      Therefore Rose must be Yellow Diamond! Another victory for science and logic!

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    • Evtini200 wrote:
      Rose is a watermelon.

      Lion is a watermelon.

      Four letters in both names.

      Four letters in four.

      Four letters in name.

      Therefore Rose must be Yellow Diamond! Another victory for science and logic!

      Quite! Now, let's splash hot tea in our face for being so smart and fancy. :3 *sizzle*

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    • Biesaga wrote:

      Evtini200 wrote:
      Rose is a watermelon. Lion is a watermelon. Four letters in both names. Four letters in four. Four letters in name. Therefore Rose must be Yellow Diamond! Another victory for science and logic!

      Quite! Now, let's splash hot tea in our face for being so smart and fancy. :3 *sizzle*


      That's the hardest I've ever laughed at any comment on anything ever.


      Wait!  Don't forget to use the napkin!  Wait a second, are napkins made of napping kin of random old people?

      Three Days Later:


      Breaking News:  Everyone in the world is rioting the Napkin Co. Facilities.  They are doing this by throwing explosives made of $100 dollar bills and duct tape.

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    • Nightshade1712 wrote:

      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      before you comment "BUT ROSE IS A GIRL"

      1: gems are genderless

      2: lion gender not confirmed

      now lets analysis why rose is lion:

      both pink.

      both connection with steven

      he summons rose's sword

      soo....

      Lion is half of Rose, the other half is Steven. That being said, it might be possible(with the help of Steven) for Rose to return from Lion.

      OH COME ON!

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    • Lion has a mane... so yeah... that basically confirms his gender as lionesses lack manes.

      It could be possible that it is something Rose simply created with her gem that lived on due to Steven having the Rose Quartz gem. Then again, this would all be speculation until we actually find out. I don't quite particularly agree that Lion is Rose, but I feel there is something deeper than that theory.

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    • Omega Clone wrote:
      Lion has a mane... so yeah... that basically confirms his gender as lionesses lack manes.

      It could be possible that it is something Rose simply created with her gem that lived on due to Steven having the Rose Quartz gem. Then again, this would all be speculation until we actually find out. I don't quite particularly agree that Lion is Rose, but I feel there is something deeper than that theory.

      well, if have connection to rose, could be genderless

      also, all the crystal gems (without steven) are "female" for having female appearence and voice. female pronun. maybe lion pronun is male.

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    • Aha... Let's pull a connection here.

      Rebecca stated that Steven is the first 'male' gem.

      Lion has a male appearance.

      With that said, Lion's not a gem. He's some other magical being.

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    • ReasonAndPearls wrote:
      Aha... Let's pull a connection here.

      Rebecca stated that Steven is the first 'male' gem.

      Lion has a male appearance.

      With that said, Lion's not a gem. He's some other magical being.

      or sexless gem. like the others

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Reneelovesanime wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Gnx486 wrote:
      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.
      rose is not dead, she ABANDON HER PHSYCHICAL FORM to make steven born
      and her new form is lion. possible
      You're forgetting one thing. The fricking tape. No offense but Lion would have to be apart of Steven to make this theory in the least credible.

      soo, how steven enter in lion's mane?

      Pearl can enter lions mane

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    • Ammolite1 wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Reneelovesanime wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Gnx486 wrote:
      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.
      rose is not dead, she ABANDON HER PHSYCHICAL FORM to make steven born
      and her new form is lion. possible
      You're forgetting one thing. The fricking tape. No offense but Lion would have to be apart of Steven to make this theory in the least credible.

      soo, how steven enter in lion's mane?
      Pearl can enter lions mane

      no she can't

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Omega Clone wrote:
      Lion has a mane... so yeah... that basically confirms his gender as lionesses lack manes.

      It could be possible that it is something Rose simply created with her gem that lived on due to Steven having the Rose Quartz gem. Then again, this would all be speculation until we actually find out. I don't quite particularly agree that Lion is Rose, but I feel there is something deeper than that theory.

      well, if have connection to rose, could be genderless

      also, all the crystal gems (without steven) are "female" for having female appearence and voice. female pronun. maybe lion pronun is male.

      What does a connection to Rose have to do with Lion's gender? It really doesn't add much other than speculation. Lion can't be Rose because Rose part of steven. The gem that makes her physical form is part of Steven. Lion is not a gem. Visibly there is no signs of any gem on Lion.

      As for the connections, we know he is related to Rose, Amethyst and Pearl see the connection. But Rose? No Lion isn't Rose. The significance of Lion is clearly much bigger than Rose being Lion. I still say that Lion is connected to Steven/Rose in a much greater way. He clearly exists with a purpose, and is obviously one of Rose's secrets. We can't say that he is Rose because there isn't enough evidence to back that up.

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    • Gems can't survive without their gems (obvious) but steven is half human and  half gem. Modern Genetics say that when an offspring is born, it has half of the traits from each parent are inherited to the offspring. Gems are made up of the soul and powers. Mabye the human half of steven is keeping him alive, he "Inherited" the powers from his mother, and her soul was formed into a lion. the mane is their becuase it looks like roses hair all bushy and big. just a theory

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    • Been creeping on this thread so I decided to get in on it. Proof that Lion is not Rose:

      1. Gems are genderless but Lion is as of yet not confirmed to be a gem. A gem has never been shown on his body as of yet and we can take this to mean that he can't be Rose as he doesn't possess Rose's gem (Why? Because it is a part of Steven). As that is the current case we can assume that Lion is not a gem and may have a gender as Steven and some of the gems refer to Lion as "he/him". This serves to prove that Lion is male.

      2. Pink fur/coloration does not automatically mean that Lion or anything that is pink (i.e. Whale in Rose's room) could be Rose. This only serves to confirm the fact that there is a connection between the two (i.e Garnet and her gauntlets/Amethyst and her whip/Pearl and her spear/Lapis and her wings/Peridot and her Holo-screen thing/Jasper and her helmet)

      3. He doesn't summon Rose's sword per se. He carries it within him and when Steven needs it brings it forth for him to use. He seems to almost act as a safe place for Rose to put the most meaningful of her possessions in. (i.e Sword (scabbard probably lost during hence why it wasn't there), Flag, Treasure chest (yet to be opened), picture of her with Greg, Greg's shirt, Steven's Tape, and weird bubbled Gem/Unidentified Item.)

      4. Rose did not split in half as stated multiple times. Rather 100% of Rose was condensed into her gem and passed on to Steven and the other half was composed of Greg's human DNA. ALL of Rose (meaning her Physical and Spiritual parts) are all within Steven ((Rose sais and I quote: We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you."(Lion 3: Straight to Video confirms this.) Rose would also be unable to possess another creature regardless of whether or not she created it/was more in tune with nature/whatever you want because her consciousness and all that makes her resides with Steven. Her consciousness can't transfer. If that were the case then Gems would be able to jump from host to host if their gems were damaged. This doesn't seem very plausible.

      5. Rose kept Lion a secret from all of the gems. Pearl herself stated the Rose kept many things hidden from the CGs save her as she was (as she believed) Rose's rock and only confidant. Though given her reaction to Lion's possible connection to Rose and something she was not privy it is possible that even though Rose confided in Pearl more than she did with the other CG members there were still things she kept to herself to "protect" Pearl as Steven pointed out. The whole theme of "Rose's Scabbard" backs this up because it centers around Rose keeping certain things to herself/secret.

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    • I was just wondering if maybe Lion is indeed a projection from Rose. Pearl projected Holo-Pearl and it became a solid, programmed being, but only a holographic projection of something else. Maybe Rose encountered a lion on one of her missions, and projected her own form of a lion, because she saw the beauty of it and wanted one of her own, perhaps knowing it would be useful in the future. Maybe lion was projected from Rose just before she gave birth to Steven. Maybe lion was made soley for protecting her son. 

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    • ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      snip

      1. Just say "Rose's Scabbard" and Lion 3" and the point gets across.

      2. When's your book coming out?

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    • I think rose made lion from her room beacause she wanted somthing to love and care for like a pet but all the life on earth is delicate and dont live long as gems so she made lion but then she had steven lion left 

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    • TheBoomerCow wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      snip
      1. Just say "Rose's Scabbard" and Lion 3" and the point gets across.

      2. When's your book coming out?

      1. True. Should havejust left it at that.

      2. Comes out 04/05/2025

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    • I'll be the first to buy it!

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    • TheBoomerCow wrote:
      I'll be the first to buy it!

      I'll make sure you get the first autographed copy.

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    • Lgb111 wrote: rose became steven shes not lion but maybe he was her pet or somthing also roses sword just means she owned it like how pearl owned all the battle axes

      If Rose had a pet Pearl would most likely know because Rose tells Pearl everything.

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    • Reneelovesanime wrote: If I hear this one more time....

      Do I need to pull out Lion 3: Straight to video?

      "I'LL BE INSIDE YOU" She says

      So if Rose is inside of Steven then where did Lion come from? If Lion was actually Rose's pet then we would've known from Pearl since Rose tells Pearl everything. So wherever Lion came from it would have to be somewhere that involves Rose, because Lion has her sword. Then again, half of Rose could be in Steven and the other half could be in Lion, because in one of the episodes when Lion kept laying on Stevens head, Lion was trying to show

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    • Pearl0723 wrote:

      Reneelovesanime wrote: If I hear this one more time....

      Do I need to pull out Lion 3: Straight to video?

      "I'LL BE INSIDE YOU" She says

      So if Rose is inside of Steven then where did Lion come from? If Lion was actually Rose's pet then we would've known from Pearl since Rose tells Pearl everything. So wherever Lion came from it would have to be somewhere that involves Rose, because Lion has her sword. Then again, half of Rose could be in Steven and the other half could be in Lion, because in one of the episodes when Lion kept laying on Stevens head, Lion was trying to show

      Steven that some of Roses stuff was in his/her mane. So, who knows?

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:

      Gnx486 wrote:
      Lion can't be Rose because, unlike Rose, he isn't dead.

      rose is not dead, she ABANDON HER PHSYCHICAL FORM to make steven born

      and her new form is lion. possible

      If she abandoned her physical form then why didn't she just go into her gem or something?

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    • I facepalmed several dozen times while reading this thread.

      1. It seems this bears repeating: Rose did not split in half. She became half of Steven, meaning her entire being is part of him. She even said, "We can't both exist...I'm going to become half of you." (Lion 3: Straight to Video)

      2. There is a connection between Rose and Lion. As Garnet stated, "It's a little obvious." (Rose's Scabbard) However, a connection does not mean they are the same thing.

      3. There is little to no evidence supporting this theory, yet plenty of evidence to debunk it. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means it's highly improbable.

      Others of you have said this far better than I. Reiteration just seemed like a good idea.

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    • Waterlover445 wrote: I facepalmed several dozen times while reading this thread.

      1. It seems this bears repeating: Rose did not split in half. She became half of Steven, meaning her entire being is part of him. She even said, "We can't both exist...I'm going to become half of you." (Lion 3: Straight to Video)

      2. There is a connection between Rose and Lion. As Garnet stated, "It's a little obvious." (Rose's Scabbard) However, a connection does not mean they are the same thing.

      3. There is little to no evidence supporting this theory, yet plenty of evidence to debunk it. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means it's highly improbable.

      Others of you have said this far better than I. Reiteration just seemed like a good idea.

      The point I was trying to get across is where did Lion come from and why does Lion and Rose have a connection. Like did Rose make Lion to be a guardian towards Steven?

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    • Pearl0723 wrote:

      Waterlover445 wrote: I facepalmed several dozen times while reading this thread.

      1. It seems this bears repeating: Rose did not split in half. She became half of Steven, meaning her entire being is part of him. She even said, "We can't both exist...I'm going to become half of you." (Lion 3: Straight to Video)

      2. There is a connection between Rose and Lion. As Garnet stated, "It's a little obvious." (Rose's Scabbard) However, a connection does not mean they are the same thing.

      3. There is little to no evidence supporting this theory, yet plenty of evidence to debunk it. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means it's highly improbable.

      Others of you have said this far better than I. Reiteration just seemed like a good idea.

      The point I was trying to get across is where did Lion come from and why does Lion and Rose have a connection. Like did Rose make Lion to be a guardian towards Steven?

      I apologize, as at the time of my post I hadn't seen any of yours. It's possible Rose did create Lion or something along those lines. As for why Pearl was unaware of Lion's existence, the point of the episode was showing her relationship with Rose. While Rose did confide in Pearl more than the others, Pearl said herself that the mark of a great leader is knowing what to keep hidden from those you love most (something similar to that, at least). Rose clearly had her reasons for keeping Lion a secret from everyone, including Pearl. Those reasons have yet to be revealed, but, in time, they will. All we can do is wait and see.

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    • Waterlover445 wrote:

      Pearl0723 wrote:

      Waterlover445 wrote: I facepalmed several dozen times while reading this thread.

      1. It seems this bears repeating: Rose did not split in half. She became half of Steven, meaning her entire being is part of him. She even said, "We can't both exist...I'm going to become half of you." (Lion 3: Straight to Video)

      2. There is a connection between Rose and Lion. As Garnet stated, "It's a little obvious." (Rose's Scabbard) However, a connection does not mean they are the same thing.

      3. There is little to no evidence supporting this theory, yet plenty of evidence to debunk it. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means it's highly improbable.

      Others of you have said this far better than I. Reiteration just seemed like a good idea.

      The point I was trying to get across is where did Lion come from and why does Lion and Rose have a connection. Like did Rose make Lion to be a guardian towards Steven?

      I apologize, as at the time of my post I hadn't seen any of yours. It's possible Rose did create Lion or something along those lines. As for why Pearl was unaware of Lion's existence, the point of the episode was showing her relationship with Rose. While Rose did confide in Pearl more than the others, Pearl said herself that the mark of a great leader is knowing what to keep hidden from those you love most (something similar to that, at least). Rose clearly had her reasons for keeping Lion a secret from everyone, including Pearl. Those reasons have yet to be revealed, but, in time, they will. All we can do is wait and see.

      It's okay, and you make some really good points btw

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    • Haruko-chan wrote:

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      I agree that Rose would certainly want for Steven to be equal parts she and Greg. Furthermore, being likely one of the most wise of individuals from an extremely advanced and ancient race of sentient magical gem people, I expect Rose is very deliberate in her speech and would not have used the specific word 'half' in saying "Steven, I'm going to become half of you" if she did not literally mean it (She could have said "I'm going to become part of you" or "I am going to become you" or any other phrases to the same effect if they had been more accurate of a description). 

      However, I do not agree that in order for Steven to be equal halves Rose and Greg that Rose would have to leave half of herself out of his formation.

      As you pointed out, natural human reproduction essentially consists of the combination of two DNA strands, one from each of two parents. But given the artificial means (either through advanced technology or "magic"), a unique individual could theoretically be formed from a single parent. A diploid cell of one person could be split into haploid cells and then rejoined in a different configuration. The resultant individual would have the same genetic make up of the single parent but they would be expressed differently and thus would be physically unique. 

      If in whatever process was undertaken to make Steven, something along these lines occurred with Greg's DNA, then there would be a whole person with which Rose could fuse and thus she would constitute half of the resultant Steven.


      And yet, despite my belief that the whole of Rose is within Steven, I could still be persuaded to accept that an aspect of Rose exists within Steven. In "Watermelon Steven", not only did Steven give sentience to the watermelons but they also grew to mimic Steven's physical shape. I think that this serves to indicate that some form of imprinting or transference of self occurred when he animated the plants. Although the reactions of the other gems indicates that Rose never created Rose-shaped plants, the method Rose used to animate plants may have been the same. So, if Rose created Lion, then there is a possibility some imprint or aspect of Rose exists within Lion.

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    • Hey guys. I'm new to the wiki, but only in membership. I've followed all the discussions and commentary for a long time. All of your theories and what not are amazing. I'm glad I finally decided to contribute so here goes nothing. This theory goes somewhere I promise. It's already been theorized that Rose's will is within Steven, Lion, and her room. She has had a strong influence on everyone and I know that she's been highlighted as kind hearted and sincere, but she's also powerful. She has a sword, who do you think trained Pearl how to use one? That's probably in part why she idolizes her so much in a knightly manner. Rose was her master. Pearl is extremely strict, probably also something she got from Rose. I'm sure when Rose trained Pearl, she did not go easy on her at all. A leader has to be stern at times, especially when training. So, not only does Rose have a loving side, she also has the stern stability that a leader and mother often needs. It can also come off as cruel. Rose knew that the Gems would mother Steven, and that Greg isn't exactly the stern type, so she left Lion and the room to be the more "cruel" parent of the bunch. That will took over when Cloud Connie forced Steven to express himself. It was a motherly action. Steven needs independence but he also needs a guide here and there, which is what Lion Is for, but what mother is going to just let her son hide his emotions especially someone as enlightened as Rose? She acted and showed her leadership, forcing Steven to grow up a little. She did the same back in Rose's Room where she made Steven face the dangers of a fantasy world. She understands what Connie means to him and that she has an overwhelming personality. Connie will wield Rose's sword I'm sure of it, and Steven will wield the shield, but neither can overpower the other. So Rose made Steven be up front. I think it's what any good leader/mother would do.

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    • Tuckyd wrote:
      We definitely know that Lion is somehow related to Rose Quartz but as of now the relationship is still a mystery.

      I'm coming down on the side of Lion is Rose's devolved/corrupted form. Like other gems turned into centipedes and various bugs, when Rose 'gave up her physical form' she actually turned into Lion.

      Question if I am right is: Is there a way to turn Lion back into Rose Quartz and have her and Steven exist at the same time?

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    • Lerianis wrote:
      Tuckyd wrote:
      We definitely know that Lion is somehow related to Rose Quartz but as of now the relationship is still a mystery.
      I'm coming down on the side of Lion is Rose's devolved/corrupted form. Like other gems turned into centipedes and various bugs, when Rose 'gave up her physical form' she actually turned into Lion.

      Question if I am right is: Is there a way to turn Lion back into Rose Quartz and have her and Steven exist at the same time?

      You kinda killed your own theory there mate. That can't be her"devolved/corrupted" form because:

      1. That would require Lion having Roses' Rose Quartz gem (something that ONLY STEVEN HAS).

      2. Lion is not corrupted because that requires a gem (Roses to bemore specific) to be corrupted and he'd be hostile towards the Crystal Gems.

      3. She can't give up her physical form and then have a physical form as another creature y'know. That kinda defeats tthe purpose of giving up your physical form.

      To answer your question: No, I don't think so because:

      1. Lion probably isn't Rose.

      2. (Going with the assumption that Lion is Rose) That would require her Rose Quartz gem, something that Steven has and probably needs to survive. Hence why they 'can't both exist'.

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    • ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Lerianis wrote:
      Tuckyd wrote:
      We definitely know that Lion is somehow related to Rose Quartz but as of now the relationship is still a mystery.
      I'm coming down on the side of Lion is Rose's devolved/corrupted form. Like other gems turned into centipedes and various bugs, when Rose 'gave up her physical form' she actually turned into Lion.

      Question if I am right is: Is there a way to turn Lion back into Rose Quartz and have her and Steven exist at the same time?

      You kinda killed your own theory there mate. That can't be her"devolved/corrupted" form because:

      1. That would require Lion having Roses' Rose Quartz gem (something that ONLY STEVEN HAS).

      2. Lion is not corrupted because that requires a gem (Roses to bemore specific) to be corrupted and he'd be hostile towards the Crystal Gems.

      3. She can't give up her physical form and then have a physical form as another creature y'know. That kinda defeats tthe purpose of giving up your physical form.

      To answer your question: No, I don't think so because:

      1. Lion probably isn't Rose.

      2. (Going with the assumption that Lion is Rose) That would require her Rose Quartz gem, something that Steven has and probably needs to survive. Hence why they 'can't both exist'.

      That being said, you know Lion, though not Rose, might hold the other half of Rose. Rose did say she would become half of Steven and the other half is simply not talked about. Its possible that she left that other half with Lion.

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    • Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Lerianis wrote:
      Tuckyd wrote:
      We definitely know that Lion is somehow related to Rose Quartz but as of now the relationship is still a mystery.
      I'm coming down on the side of Lion is Rose's devolved/corrupted form. Like other gems turned into centipedes and various bugs, when Rose 'gave up her physical form' she actually turned into Lion.

      Question if I am right is: Is there a way to turn Lion back into Rose Quartz and have her and Steven exist at the same time?

      You kinda killed your own theory there mate. That can't be her"devolved/corrupted" form because:

      1. That would require Lion having Roses' Rose Quartz gem (something that ONLY STEVEN HAS).

      2. Lion is not corrupted because that requires a gem (Roses to bemore specific) to be corrupted and he'd be hostile towards the Crystal Gems.

      3. She can't give up her physical form and then have a physical form as another creature y'know. That kinda defeats tthe purpose of giving up your physical form.

      To answer your question: No, I don't think so because:

      1. Lion probably isn't Rose.

      2. (Going with the assumption that Lion is Rose) That would require her Rose Quartz gem, something that Steven has and probably needs to survive. Hence why they 'can't both exist'.

      That being said, you know Lion, though not Rose, might hold the other half of Rose. Rose did say she would become half of Steven and the other half is simply not talked about. Its possible that she left that other half with Lion.

      All of Rose=Half of Steven

      not half of rose

      have you even followed this thread until now

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    • TheBoomerCow wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Lerianis wrote:
      Tuckyd wrote:
      We definitely know that Lion is somehow related to Rose Quartz but as of now the relationship is still a mystery.
      I'm coming down on the side of Lion is Rose's devolved/corrupted form. Like other gems turned into centipedes and various bugs, when Rose 'gave up her physical form' she actually turned into Lion.

      Question if I am right is: Is there a way to turn Lion back into Rose Quartz and have her and Steven exist at the same time?

      You kinda killed your own theory there mate. That can't be her"devolved/corrupted" form because:

      1. That would require Lion having Roses' Rose Quartz gem (something that ONLY STEVEN HAS).

      2. Lion is not corrupted because that requires a gem (Roses to bemore specific) to be corrupted and he'd be hostile towards the Crystal Gems.

      3. She can't give up her physical form and then have a physical form as another creature y'know. That kinda defeats tthe purpose of giving up your physical form.

      To answer your question: No, I don't think so because:

      1. Lion probably isn't Rose.

      2. (Going with the assumption that Lion is Rose) That would require her Rose Quartz gem, something that Steven has and probably needs to survive. Hence why they 'can't both exist'.

      That being said, you know Lion, though not Rose, might hold the other half of Rose. Rose did say she would become half of Steven and the other half is simply not talked about. Its possible that she left that other half with Lion.
      All of Rose=Half of Steven

      not half of rose

      have you even followed this thread until now

      I have, but Rose never said that all of what she was would become Steven. He curtainly doesn't have her memories on anything of that nature.

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    • Nightshade1712 wrote:
      TheBoomerCow wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Lerianis wrote:
      Tuckyd wrote:
      We definitely know that Lion is somehow related to Rose Quartz but as of now the relationship is still a mystery.
      I'm coming down on the side of Lion is Rose's devolved/corrupted form. Like other gems turned into centipedes and various bugs, when Rose 'gave up her physical form' she actually turned into Lion.

      Question if I am right is: Is there a way to turn Lion back into Rose Quartz and have her and Steven exist at the same time?

      You kinda killed your own theory there mate. That can't be her"devolved/corrupted" form because:

      1. That would require Lion having Roses' Rose Quartz gem (something that ONLY STEVEN HAS).

      2. Lion is not corrupted because that requires a gem (Roses to bemore specific) to be corrupted and he'd be hostile towards the Crystal Gems.

      3. She can't give up her physical form and then have a physical form as another creature y'know. That kinda defeats tthe purpose of giving up your physical form.

      To answer your question: No, I don't think so because:

      1. Lion probably isn't Rose.

      2. (Going with the assumption that Lion is Rose) That would require her Rose Quartz gem, something that Steven has and probably needs to survive. Hence why they 'can't both exist'.

      That being said, you know Lion, though not Rose, might hold the other half of Rose. Rose did say she would become half of Steven and the other half is simply not talked about. Its possible that she left that other half with Lion.
      All of Rose=Half of Steven

      not half of rose

      have you even followed this thread until now

      I have, but Rose never said that all of what she was would become Steven. He curtainly doesn't have her memories on anything of that nature.

      She didn't say all of her would be Steven, but she didn't say half of her would be Steven neither. She just said she would become half of Steven, meaning Steven is 50% Rose and 50% Greg's dna.

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    • Tim68 wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      TheBoomerCow wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Lerianis wrote:
      Tuckyd wrote:
      snip

      While that is true, that is normal for a kid to be that way. I thnk it had more meaning then just that.

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    • Nightshade1712 wrote:
      Tim68 wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      TheBoomerCow wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Lerianis wrote:
      Tuckyd wrote:
      snip

      Rose meant what she said exactly as she said it. If she wanted to say half of her would be Steven and the other half would be something else then she would have.

      She said and I quote "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you." Going by this we can assume all of her is part of Steven because he has her gem. Without her gem Rose does not exist.

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    • ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      Tim68 wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      TheBoomerCow wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Lerianis wrote:
      Tuckyd wrote:
      snip

      True.....but, you have to wonder, what she meant by half....Its almost as if she was saying that there was something else going on. I mean of course half of Steven Genetics are going to be from Rose and half from Greg. That is obvious Bioligy(sorry no matter how many times I tried respelling that I can't get it right.), but it left out alot of what she was talking about. I dont think we have heard the last of this by any means.

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    • ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:

      Rose meant what she said exactly as she said it. If she wanted to say half of her would be Steven and the other half would be something else then she would have.

      She said and I quote "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you." Going by this we can assume all of her is part of Steven because he has her gem. Without her gem Rose does not exist.


      Thanks

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    • Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Rose meant what she said exactly as she said it. If she wanted to say half of her would be Steven and the other half would be something else then she would have.
      She said and I quote "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you." Going by this we can assume all of her is part of Steven because he has her gem. Without her gem Rose does not exist.
      True.....but, you have to wonder, what she meant by half....Its almost as if she was saying that there was something else going on. I mean of course half of Steven Genetics are going to be from Rose and half from Greg. That is obvious Bioligy(sorry no matter how many times I tried respelling that I can't get it right.), but it left out alot of what she was talking about. I dont think we have heard the last of this by any means.


      I don't think there was any mystery in what she said. She could have said "I am going to become you" but she preferred "half of you" because she thought his human part would be as important as his gem part.

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    • Tim68 wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Rose meant what she said exactly as she said it. If she wanted to say half of her would be Steven and the other half would be something else then she would have.
      She said and I quote "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you." Going by this we can assume all of her is part of Steven because he has her gem. Without her gem Rose does not exist.
      True.....but, you have to wonder, what she meant by half....Its almost as if she was saying that there was something else going on. I mean of course half of Steven Genetics are going to be from Rose and half from Greg. That is obvious Bioligy(sorry no matter how many times I tried respelling that I can't get it right.), but it left out alot of what she was talking about. I dont think we have heard the last of this by any means.

      I don't think there was any mystery in what she said. She could have said "I am going to become you" but she preferred "half of you" because she thought his human part would be as important as his gem part.

      ^ Yup. No mystery. Tim's pretty much got it right

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    • ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Tim68 wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Rose meant what she said exactly as she said it. If she wanted to say half of her would be Steven and the other half would be something else then she would have.
      She said and I quote "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you." Going by this we can assume all of her is part of Steven because he has her gem. Without her gem Rose does not exist.
      True.....but, you have to wonder, what she meant by half....Its almost as if she was saying that there was something else going on. I mean of course half of Steven Genetics are going to be from Rose and half from Greg. That is obvious Bioligy(sorry no matter how many times I tried respelling that I can't get it right.), but it left out alot of what she was talking about. I dont think we have heard the last of this by any means.

      I don't think there was any mystery in what she said. She could have said "I am going to become you" but she preferred "half of you" because she thought his human part would be as important as his gem part.
      ^ Yup. No mystery. Tim's pretty much got it right

      What ever you say.....

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    • Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Tim68 wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Rose meant what she said exactly as she said it. If she wanted to say half of her would be Steven and the other half would be something else then she would have.
      She said and I quote "We can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you." Going by this we can assume all of her is part of Steven because he has her gem. Without her gem Rose does not exist.
      True.....but, you have to wonder, what she meant by half....Its almost as if she was saying that there was something else going on. I mean of course half of Steven Genetics are going to be from Rose and half from Greg. That is obvious Bioligy(sorry no matter how many times I tried respelling that I can't get it right.), but it left out alot of what she was talking about. I dont think we have heard the last of this by any means.

      I don't think there was any mystery in what she said. She could have said "I am going to become you" but she preferred "half of you" because she thought his human part would be as important as his gem part.
      ^ Yup. No mystery. Tim's pretty much got it right
      What ever you say.....

      No harm meant. Just stating my own personal opinion.

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    • ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      Tim68 wrote:
      Nightshade1712 wrote:
      ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
      snip
      snip

      I don't think there was any mystery in what she said. She could have said "I am going to become you" but she preferred "half of you" because she thought his human part would be as important as his gem part.
      ^ Yup. No mystery. Tim's pretty much got it right
      What ever you say.....
      No harm meant. Just stating my own personal opinion.

      No, no its fine its just....Well my family has sort of a thing for noticing things that point off and no matter how much I have read....Its not making the feeling go away, I have a feeling that we haven't heard the end of it, thats all.

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    • its an interesting question. it is very well possible that lion may have been a creation of rose's or her pet and friend. perhaps lion was born from a small piece of roses gemstone. like he is a piece of her she created to help protect steven. with that being said it could be her but rather a small piece of her and maybe she could use that piece to gain a new form later in the show. it is clear that lion was taught in some way to watch over and protect steven and guide him since rose is not there to do so. lion does seem to know a great deal more then he says and has many more secrets he has yet to share. perhaps rose confided her deepest most secrets to lion so that in her new form lion could teacher her secrets to steven and help him to learn his new powers and unlock the far greater powers he may have being half human. As we have already seen steven has done things rose was not able to do. i can't wait to see more of the story. i find myself deeply connected to rose as she is a great deal like me. i care alot about nature and have found that the plants reflect my kindness when i care for them. Growing larger and healthier and almost seeming to react to my thoughts. though it may likely be a coincidence...like with the weeds i dug up out of the lawn and planted in pots. i watered them and cared for them wanting in my heart to see their beauty. in a short time they grew beautiful flowers. the likes of which people in my area wished to know how i found them. rose imbodies that aspect of me. she learned to look deeper and see inner beauty and helped bring that inner beauty out. i feel alot like rose and wish i could do as much as she does. i know i prolly sound silly talking about doing things rose does. i can't work magic like she does but doing what i do i help things heal and restore and grow and help bring out inner beauty. i am sure rose was very godo with animals. they most likely did not even fear her, but rather apon seeing her could see how trust worthy she was. i have the same thing happen with animals. they do not fear me. rather they look at me and see how gentle and caring i am and want to be around me.

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    • I don't even remember commenting on this thread XD

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    • Gempup wrote:
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      May I remind you that Rose had [CENSORED] with an ugly mug who doesn't do anything right and only probably cared about her when she died and she wasn't around anymore to waste her life protecting him. And because of him, she got pregnant with a little parasite who eats McDonalds for every meal and screws up everything. Why would she let all of those training hours go to waste just so she could give birth to a little brat who only cares about himself and the girl he wants to [CENSORED] in the future. Seriously, Rose sucked.

       
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      • Maybe lion isn't Rose herself.

        Maybe he's just an amalgamation of what was leftover from Rose after Steven's creation.

        This is a being who knows its creator, knows who it must protect, but not what he is in the grand scheme of things.  My guess is that it took on a lion form from the first thing it saw, which was an open page from an animal picture book for toddlers.

        The one thing we have yet to see on the show is Lion actually entering Roses room.  I believe that two things would happen:

        1) Lion would appear to turn into Rose Quartz.  However, this would just be a vessel containing the memories that Rose had before the birthing process.  This figure would serve as a tutor for Steven to help him gain control of his powers as well as accurately teach him about Gem history and what his destiny will be.

        2) As an after-effect of the transformation, the room would become the subspace that could previously be accessed through his mane (albeit, with a more breathable atmosphere).  This would be adequete training grounds as well as a nursery for the fallen gems that Steven could tame and turn into helpful allies (like the Centipeetle from Monster Buddies).

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      • Jaydom Studios wrote:
        Gempup wrote:
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        May I remind you that Rose had [CENSORED] with an ugly mug who doesn't do anything right and only probably cared about her when she died and she wasn't around anymore to waste her life protecting him. And because of him, she got pregnant with a little parasite who eats McDonalds for every meal and screws up everything. Why would she let all of those training hours go to waste just so she could give birth to a little brat who only cares about himself and the girl he wants to [CENSORED] in the future. Seriously, Rose sucked.

        Ripped straight from the Encyclopedia Dramatica folks.

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      • Jaydom Studios wrote:

        May I remind you that Rose had [CENSORED] with an ugly mug who doesn't do anything right and only probably cared about her when she died and she wasn't around anymore to waste her life protecting him. And because of him, she got pregnant with a little parasite who eats McDonalds for every meal and screws up everything. Why would she let all of those training hours go to waste just so she could give birth to a little brat who only cares about himself and the girl he wants to [CENSORED] in the future. Seriously, Rose sucked.

        This is probably the stupidest thing I've heard. Where does this kind of childish hate come from? Is it out of stupidity, ignorance, or are you just that much of a hateful person? Get off your high horse and the internet.

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      • Personally, I think that the hipothesis that Lion is a physical hologram like Holo-Pearl is pretty persuasive, but there are some points to consider:

        - As often mentioned, Lion's characteristics severely differ from those of Holo-Pearl: he isn't translucid, his eyes are not always plain white.

        - We don't know if Rose was able to project holograms. As far as I remenber, only Pearl has been shown to have this particular ability with holograms. We know that all gems are able to constitute their physical bodies (Garnet refers to them as illusions) and weapons, but they differ in nature to a hologram. Pearl holograms are visualisations of the images in her mind, are projections, similar to cinema. Even thought we have seen Gems summon their weapons twice, we also saw that Gems keep armories, which may mean that they need the physical weapon in order to summon it, which in turn mean that the process of summoning is similar to one of teletransport (we know it is a technology the Gems master by the use of their warps, but we don't know how the warps work, if their effect can be mimic by a Gem herself [warps are depicted as crystal-like], if warps are necessary to teletransport with a not-that-accurate precision objects with small mass [warps can be used to transport human beings, a transport that requires cellular precision,while weapons are almost homogeneous, it's transport would allow a greater imprecision rate]).

        - Holograms function as simple programs, with determined simple algorithms. Holo-Pearl was unable to learn, and spoke aloud it's analisys (ranked Pearl's defence by studying her openings). Holo-Pearl had different levels of rational, in training level one only being able to fight in the parry-parry-thrust order. Lion has a complex, organic consciousness, what signifies that either Rose mastered computation enought to create an AI (may not be such a stretch taken Rose's known brilliance, but it would take practice, so some flashback would or will show her creating her own holograms), either he isn't a hologram.

        With this, I belive that the principle is correct, but only the principle. Lion may have been Rose's pet, and pets often are depicted as part of inventories in cartoons. This does fit with the point of "Rose's Scabbard". However, we must consider another version of a created being. We define one of Rose's powers as phytokinesis, but in "Watermelon Steven" Garnet mentiones that Rose's plants were sentient, but belligerant. If we assume this as at least as knowledge in elementary genetic engineering, we can also assume that this same knowledge can be applied to other life forms, such as animals. Then go forward to assume that phytokinesis can also have this progression, first simply in plants, then in all sorts of living beings.

        Anyway, this is getting too long, so, for now, farewell.

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      • ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
        Jaydom Studios wrote:

        May I remind you that Rose had [CENSORED] with an ugly mug who doesn't do anything right and only probably cared about her when she died and she wasn't around anymore to waste her life protecting him. And because of him, she got pregnant with a little parasite who eats McDonalds for every meal and screws up everything. Why would she let all of those training hours go to waste just so she could give birth to a little brat who only cares about himself and the girl he wants to [CENSORED] in the future. Seriously, Rose sucked.

        This is probably the stupidest thing I've heard. Where does this kind of childish hate come from? Is it out of stupidity, ignorance, or are you just that much of a hateful person? Get off your high horse and the internet.

        Don't take things so seriously.

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      • TheBoomerCow wrote:
        ThePhilosophunctolist wrote:
        Jaydom Studios wrote:

        May I remind you that Rose had [CENSORED] with an ugly mug who doesn't do anything right and only probably cared about her when she died and she wasn't around anymore to waste her life protecting him. And because of him, she got pregnant with a little parasite who eats McDonalds for every meal and screws up everything. Why would she let all of those training hours go to waste just so she could give birth to a little brat who only cares about himself and the girl he wants to [CENSORED] in the future. Seriously, Rose sucked.

        This is probably the stupidest thing I've heard. Where does this kind of childish hate come from? Is it out of stupidity, ignorance, or are you just that much of a hateful person? Get off your high horse and the internet.
        Don't take things so seriously.

        Alright one they didn't two she made a womb via shapeshift

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      • I believe that Rose Quartz before she gave up her physical form to bring Steven into the world she created Lion to look after Steven, explaining all the items that belonged to Rose and Greg on the hill in Lion's mane/deminsion. 

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      • MarooTheCat wrote:
        I believe that Rose Quartz before she gave up her physical form to bring Steven into the world she created Lion to look after Steven, explaining all the items that belonged to Rose and Greg on the hill in Lion's mane/deminsion. 

        Acceptable theory.

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      • That's what I saiiiiiid

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      • I hate seeing most of u saying that "Rose split in half" but actually,

        100% Rose = 50% Steven

        OKAY!

        I already facepalmed over hundred times reading this thread in 1 AM in the morning!

        JUST UNDERSTAND What ROSE said!

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      • let's see tomorrow if "Story for Steven" has evidences to completely debunk this theory!

        TBH I completely disagree with this theory even the Onion Theory is much better than this.

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      • Perlen297 wrote:
        let's see tomorrow if "Story for Steven" has evidences to completely debunk this theory!

        TBH I completely disagree with this theory even the Onion Theory is much better than this.

        What's the Onion theory?

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      • Biesaga wrote:
        Perlen297 wrote:
        let's see tomorrow if "Story for Steven" has evidences to completely debunk this theory!

        TBH I completely disagree with this theory even the Onion Theory is much better than this.

        What's the Onion theory?

        Some dumb theory about how Onion is either not human or one of the diamonds. Ignore it.

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      • Perlen297 wrote:
        I hate seeing most of u saying that "Rose split in half" but actually,

        100% Rose = 50% Steven

        OKAY!

        I already facepalmed over hundred times reading this thread in 1 AM in the morning!

        JUST UNDERSTAND What ROSE said!

        Everybody's said that. Oversuse of caps. 1 sm has nothing to do with facepalming. 

        Ew.

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      • Ok. First off, it seems a lot of people are either ignoring or flat out omitting some of the info the show has given us so far in their theories. Now for my take.

        It's been stated previously here numerous times and continually ignored but Rose has never been confirmed splitting in half, ever! All she said was that she and Steven COULD NOT EXIST AT THE SAME TIME, and that SHE would become half OF STEVEN, not that half of her would become half of Steven, or that she split her consiousness from her body and possess some other form(which if Gems could do, there would be no need to retreat to their gems to regenerate). As far as we know, and as far as logic is concerned, giving up her physical form(her human construct) and forming Steven(who has her Gem-her very being) means that All of Rose became half OF STEVEN, the other half of STEVEN, being Greg's DNA(his humanity).

          Also worth noting is the fact that just because the other Gems didn't know Rose had a lion doesn't mean Rose is Lion. The whole point of the episode Rose's Scabbard was to show that Rose kept secrets from the other Gems rather easily and successfully, INCLUDING PEARL. The only reason Pearl knew of Rose's secret armory was because Rose CHOSE to tell her. It is VERY plausible that Rose could have had Lion as a pet for quite some time without the Gems knowing, even Pearl.

          It is very possible that Lion could be a creation/pet/artifact of Roses' just like her Sword, Scabbard, Light Cannons, her room, and maybe even a more sophisticated hollow. Yes, Lion's pink, and he obviously has a connection to Rose. I mean, only Steven can access Lion's mane, just like only Steven can open Rose's room and operate her secret armory. Does this mean Rose's room, Sword, Scabbard and Cannons are all Rose too!? Obviously not. The fact that Lion is connected to Rose is not enough to substantiate the belief that he is Rose.

          Another factor is that Lion does not have a gem, and Gems can only exist when physically connected their Gems. We have literally seen every part of Lion's body and he does not a Gem. Even if Lion did, in fact, have a gem it would only disprove the idea that Lion=Rose because he'd be his own separate Gem entity. Gems don't have multiple Gemstones unless they are fusions and even in the case of Fusions the separate Fusion gems are connected to the body and are different from each/characteristic of the individual Gems that formed the Fusion. 

         Not to mention one thing that people seem to be ignoring is the fact that Lion and Rose have differing personalities, behavior, and abilities. Lion only does what he wants, when he wants. He choses to be Steven's guardian but still completely ignores him and his commands unless it's something important(and even then he does things his own way). Lion shows no empathy or concern for the other Gems whatsoever. Aside from the scenes where Lion shows frustration with Pearl and her behavior it doesn't seem like he could care any less about the Crystal Gems. He's allowed Steven to be some rather dangerous situations. He even just sat and watched as the Gems were handily defeated. Garnet's human construct was even DESTROYED and Lion didn't do a thing. He was on the beach with them, just a little farther back. He could've helped. But he didn't. Whether or not is was becuase he felt they could handle it(even though Garnet basically died and Pearl and Amethyst were beaten) or not isn't the case. If Rose's "soul/will" was possessing this Lion she would've come to their help. And she did. In the form of Steven. Lion's abilities are also completely unique to him. Rose was never mentioned with the ability to run on water, teleport at will, hold another dimension in her hair, or have sonic roars. Rose wouldn't have such a blatant disregard for "her closest friends" the only Gems she managed to save in that war 5,000 years ago as Lion does. 

        Recap: 1. All of Rose = Half of Steven; the other half, Steven's humanity, is Greg's DNA

        2. Rose has been very successful at keeping secrets from the Gems, and probably has kept secrets from even Pearl!! She kept Lion a secret, not that hard if she can keep an entire armory secret.

        3. Lion could possibly a creation of Rose's, like her Sword, Scabbard, Light Cannons, etc. but that doesn't make him, or any of Rose's objects, Rose. Plus he doesn't even have Gem(and if he did, that would make him his own entity)

        4. Lion's personality and abilities are completely different from Rose's. If her "soul/will" was implanted in Lion then it'd be unlikely for Lion to act the way he does and even watch, idly, as the Crystal Gems are getting utterly defeated.

        Sorry for the long post, but I just scrolled through all of these posts today and got a little frustrated. Wanted to add some more facts and insight into the conversation. Agree, don't agree, that's fine. But don't completely dismiss vital pieces of information just because you don't agree with it.

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      • ^This

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      • Walkinmanz wrote:
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        That explains too much. I used to think this theory was true, but after looking through this entire thread, I'm done believing.

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      • Lol! Now that I look over what I wrote I may as well have a written a mini-persuassive essay! XD I just think we need to change the name of the thread to something like "Lion's connection to Rose".

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      • this is spreading into a forrestfire...

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      • Jaydom Studios
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      • And now Jaydom wants us to vote if Rose is gay. What have this topic became?

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      • Tim68 wrote: And now Jaydom wants us to vote if Rose is gay. What have this topic became?

        What the HECK. I think this thread has run its course, someone please close it. And NO, I'm not voting on that horribly placed, "can only vote yes" poll.

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      • I think Rose could be half Steven and Half Lion even though Lion doesnt budge to help him the way he needs but Ruby was like that to Steven at first because most of Garnets memorys went to Sapphire...Oh ya they are a fusion..well I just hope lion's secrets are shown in the next few episodes ^-^

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      • I'm out. Unfollowed, unsubbed, unsupported on Patreon, disliked, dead to me.

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      • Lion couldn't be, as Rose is a part of Steven. She even said she gave up her PHYSICAL FORM to create Steven. So if her PHYSICAL form is gone, then how can Lion, a PHYSICAL being, exist?

        He's probably just a pet...

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      • So this discussion is done...

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      • ReasonAndPearls wrote:
        So this discussion is done...

        what do u mean done?

        that this theory is debunked, yes

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      • Maybe her physical form became Lion (It still counts as giving it up) and her gem form became part of Steven?

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      • TimmyBrock wrote: Maybe her physical form became Lion (It still counts as giving it up) and her gem form became part of Steven?

        what do you mean physical form and gem form?

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      • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:

        TimmyBrock wrote: Maybe her physical form became Lion (It still counts as giving it up) and her gem form became part of Steven?

        what do you mean physical form and gem form?

        Oh yeah. Same thing. Hmm...

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      • No. Lion is the only one on the show who isn't gay. If he's Rose, he is gay. NOOOOOO!!!

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      • Jaydom Studios wrote:
        No. Lion is the only one on the show who isn't gay. If he's Rose, he is gay. NOOOOOO!!!

        Makes sense.

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      • Jaydom Studios wrote: No. Lion is the only one on the show who isn't gay. If he's Rose, he is gay. NOOOOOO!!!

        what about the human characters? none of them are gay, or at least none have been hinted or stated to be gay

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      • Son of Nemesis34 wrote: what about the human characters? none of them are gay, or at least none have been hinted or stated to be gay

        Seriously? Jaydom would agree, Peedee is gay.

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      • Biesaga wrote:

        Son of Nemesis34 wrote: what about the human characters? none of them are gay, or at least none have been hinted or stated to be gay

        Seriously? Jaydom would agree, Peedee is gay.

        what makes you say that? it might just be me not noticing things

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      • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:

        Biesaga wrote:

        Son of Nemesis34 wrote: what about the human characters? none of them are gay, or at least none have been hinted or stated to be gay
        Seriously? Jaydom would agree, Peedee is gay.
        what makes you say that? it might just be me not noticing things

        You don't notice how happy he is?

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      • what the hell just happened to this thread?!

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      • Biesaga wrote:

        Son of Nemesis34 wrote:

        Biesaga wrote:

        Son of Nemesis34 wrote: what about the human characters? none of them are gay, or at least none have been hinted or stated to be gay
        Seriously? Jaydom would agree, Peedee is gay.
        what makes you say that? it might just be me not noticing things

        You don't notice how happy he is?

        -_- you meant that meaning of gay, seriously?

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      • Could someone lock this? I'm just about done with this thread.

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      • ReasonAndPearls wrote:
        Could someone lock this? I'm just about done with this thread.

        I second that.

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      • Perlen297 wrote:
        what the hell just happened to this thread?!

        LIFE.

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      • Okay so I feel like this off topic now but whatever. the whole argument that lion cant be male is invalid because the gems are nonbinaryand identify as female in their humanoid forms, Rose identified as female yes, but lion would be an entirely new form that could be projected as male.

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      • Lion could easily be either gender, I agree. Considering the appearence of Lion, it is actually rather likely that Lion is male. A female Lion actually doesn't generally have a mane and is called a Lioness, so it seems rather likely that Lion is male.

        If this theory is correct and Lion is actually some form of Rose, then it would imply that gems are genderless but take female humanoid forms most often. For instance, Amethyst and Garnet have morphed into Steven a fair amount of times, so it could be implied that they essentially changed gender (although one would argue that they never changed gender and merely appearance) although in actual fact it is very likely they never really had a gender to start off with. Seeing as Rose Quartz had to transform a womb in order to give birth to Steven, it seems very likely that gems do not actually have the reproductive organs to even identify as female. 

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      • Maybe we should change Lion's gender to Unknown and Gender pronouns to He/Him?

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      • He obviously is not a Gem. He has a male appearance; in this case it's acceptable to decide from appearance - male lions have manes. 

        I just say he's a magical lion being. Steven instinctively called lion a 'he', anyway, and he instinctively calls other Gems 'she'... what am I getting at here

        the bottom line is Lion is male okay

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      • Is it possible Steven created Lion subconsciously, I mean Steven wonders about his mom a lot and the gems don't have the answers he wants maybe his gem created Lion without him knowing and since it was Rose's gem her memories could have been transferred, but it may not explain how schle has Rose's things in her mane.

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      • If this theory is right and the gems find out lion is rose they would flip out.

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      • IblisTheEternalSunGod wrote:
        Is it possible Steven created Lion subconsciously, I mean Steven wonders about his mom a lot and the gems don't have the answers he wants maybe his gem created Lion without him knowing and since it was Rose's gem her memories could have been transferred, but it may not explain how schle has Rose's things in her mane.

        Maybe, but how would all of her physical things be within his mane? Im not sure steven could have put all of that there without knowing himself.

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      • If my theory is correct, Lion may have just found all of the items Rose hid from everyone else like a secret diary , but I'm not entirely sure on this.

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      • It can't be Rose Quartz herself, she gave up her physical form to bring Steven into the world. So let's be more on the track of "Lion is Rose's pet." But still, we don't know just yet if Lion is Rose's pet. In the episode Story for Steven, there was no sign of Lion in the story.

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      • Kittygalore123 wrote:
        It can't be Rose Quartz herself, she gave up her physical form to bring Steven into the world. So let's be more on the track of "Lion is Rose's pet." But still, we don't know just yet if Lion is Rose's pet. In the episode Story for Steven, there was no sign of Lion in the story.


        Lion was kept a secret from the gems, so even if Greg got to know about it, he wouldn't have seen it so soon as to the day he just met Rose.

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      • Hold on guys...


        maybe...


        perhaps maybe...


        just possibly...


        Lion and Rose knew each other, and Lion recognizes Steven's gem as being Rose's? He first appeared when Steven had his shirt over his head, showing his gem.

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      • Jay.fawcett.33 wrote:
        Hold on guys...


        maybe...


        perhaps maybe...


        just possibly...


        Lion and Rose knew each other, and Lion recognizes Steven's gem as being Rose's? He first appeared when Steven had his shirt over his head, showing his gem.

        That's some WILD speculation. Lion somehow being rose even 100% of Rose is 50% of Steven is much more tame.


        Sarcasm


        Sorry

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      • Rose is half of Steven. Rose did not put half of herself in Steven. End of story. There is no actual evidence whatsoever as to what exactly Lion is, only unverifiable evidence that he had some matter of strong connection to Rose, most likely as a utility, pet, loyal ally and close friend.

        Anything else said here is either wrong or just baseless speculation. This is not up for debate.

        This thread should have been closed long ago.

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      • I believe that Rose Quartz gave her half emotional half to and her physical half to Steven. The other halves were spread out to another space on earth. Clearly Steven gained more of the emotional half and les of the physical half and Lion got more of the physical half and less of the emotional half. However, Steven is human and has regenerative properties at a cellular level, and Lion is an incomplete version of Rose, maybe the more Lion and Steven touch the more regenerated lOtion gets until Lion turns onto Rose.But Steven will most likely have to give up his gem and it's powers in order for that to happen. I really hope that i am correct. P.S. sorry for bad grammar :-)

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      • NinJonicX wrote: I believe that Rose Quartz gave her half emotional half to and her physical half to Steven. The other halves were spread out to another space on earth. Clearly Steven gained more of the emotional half and les of the physical half and Lion got more of the physical half and less of the emotional half. However, Steven is human and has regenerative properties at a cellular level, and Lion is an incomplete version of Rose, maybe the more Lion and Steven touch the more regenerated lOtion gets until Lion turns onto Rose.But Steven will most likely have to give up his gem and it's powers in order for that to happen. I really hope that i am correct. P.S. sorry for bad grammar :-)

        there are no other halves, Rose didn't split in half

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      • What would Lion do if Steven got badly damaged? What would happen if Steven got badly damaged in the first place? Would he retreat to his gem? Would he have to go to the hospital? If he does retreat to his gem, what would come out? ROSE? All these questions and more shall be answered... Never!

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      • Biesaga wrote:
        What would Lion do if Steven got badly damaged? What would happen if Steven got badly damaged in the first place? Would he retreat to his gem? Would he have to go to the hospital? If he does retreat to his gem, what would come out? ROSE? All these questions and more shall be answered... Never!


        Actually, Steven was badly damaged in The Return/Jailbreak, when Jasper slammed her helmet into him. We didn't see whether he went into his gem, or just stayed plain injured.

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      • Jaydom Studios wrote:
        Biesaga wrote:
        What would Lion do if Steven got badly damaged? What would happen if Steven got badly damaged in the first place? Would he retreat to his gem? Would he have to go to the hospital? If he does retreat to his gem, what would come out? ROSE? All these questions and more shall be answered... Never!

        Actually, Steven was badly damaged in The Return/Jailbreak, when Jasper slammed her helmet into him. We didn't see whether he went into his gem, or just stayed plain injured.

        She didn't slam her hemet into his head, but if it was her helmet, he wouldn't have an eye anymore. But, having a black eye shouldn't make one retreat to their gem, it's not in the same ball park as getting impaled. If gems retreat t their gem because of black eye, then half the gem war would just be waiting for gems to come back.

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      • i am going to say somthing that will completly destroy this theory gems bodies are just extensions from their gems they are the gem steven has roses gem therefore rose does not equal lion

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      • Jaydom Studios wrote:
        Biesaga wrote:
        What would Lion do if Steven got badly damaged? What would happen if Steven got badly damaged in the first place? Would he retreat to his gem? Would he have to go to the hospital? If he does retreat to his gem, what would come out? ROSE? All these questions and more shall be answered... Never!

        Actually, Steven was badly damaged in The Return/Jailbreak, when Jasper slammed her helmet into him. We didn't see whether he went into his gem, or just stayed plain injured.

        If he had gone back into his gem it would've been obvious because he would've been healed from the damage to his eye.

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      • Lgb111 wrote:
        i am going to say somthing that will completly destroy this theory gems bodies are just extensions from their gems they are the gem steven has roses gem therefore rose does not equal lion

        ^

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      • Tim68 wrote:
        Oh, so that means Lion is Rose's pet.

        Well in the episodes they gave a huuuuugge hint that lion has something to do with rose. And the fans come to believe that it does. Which is probably true.

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      • trying to prove this theory true would be like trying to dig out diamonds from dirt. it has to many reasons why its not possible.

        personally i think rose made lion to teach him things she kept secert from the gems

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      • Lgb111 wrote:
        trying to prove this theory true would be like trying to dig out diamonds from dirt. it has to many reasons why its not possible.

        personally i think rose made lion to teach him things she kept secert from the gems

        That's what people said when I said Garnet was a fusion.

        EDIT: I said she was a fusion before "The Return" and "Jailbreak".

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      • TimmyBrock wrote:
        Lgb111 wrote:
        trying to prove this theory true would be like trying to dig out diamonds from dirt. it has to many reasons why its not possible.

        personally i think rose made lion to teach him things she kept secert from the gems

        That's what people said when I said Garnet was a fusion.

        EDIT: I said she was a fusion before "The Return" and "Jailbreak".

        the garnet fusion theory had more proof this theory on the other hand is easily disprovable it has more reasons why it cant be true then it has reasons why it can

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      • think about this guys remember when pearl got impaled and was forced to retreat to her gem even though she lost her physical form holo-pearl was still there and acting on its own will. so what if like pearl rose had a similar ability , well she does have the plant atribute but if she did make lion and gave up her physical form wouldn't lion still be able to move of his own free will.

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      • Amberite wrote:
        think about this guys remember when pearl got impaled and was forced to retreat to her gem even though she lost her physical form holo-pearl was still there and acting on its own will. so what if like pearl rose had a similar ability , well she does have the plant atribute but if she did make lion and gave up her physical form wouldn't lion still be able to move of his own free will.

        Interesting catch. That would be highly probable.

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      • Amberite wrote:
        think about this guys remember when pearl got impaled and was forced to retreat to her gem even though she lost her physical form holo-pearl was still there and acting on its own will. so what if like pearl rose had a similar ability , well she does have the plant atribute but if she did make lion and gave up her physical form wouldn't lion still be able to move of his own free will.

        now that there is a more solid theory

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      • the only real solid proof on why rose could be lion is that he summons roses sword.also gems take on a female form so wouldnt lion not have a mane if he looked female?

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      • rereading this thread pretty much every time solid proof has been given to why lion cant be rose it is blantley disregarded or a exuse is made to prove them wrong. How can you say that because lion is pink he is rose? the light cannons are pink are they rose to? the scabbard is pink is it rose? rose is inside steven she became him.

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      • Look at my theory to see what Lion is.

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      • Lgb111 wrote:

        the only real solid proof on why rose could be lion is that he summons roses sword.

        Yeah but even that doesn't hold water after Lion 3, when we learn that there's just a pocket dimension in Lion's mane with all kinds of stuff in it. Sure he can summon Rose's sword, but he can also summon Steven's bike, soda, a top hat, and a novelty trick handkerchief, so he's less Rose Quartz and more a hairy version of Greg's storage shed with legs.

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      • Personally, I think Lion is Steven's twin brother who inherited the other half of Rose Quartz powers. Mostly because I want the term "Lion-bro" to be said in the show at least once.

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      • Yoshimickster wrote: Personally, I think Lion is Steven's twin brother who inherited the other half of Rose Quartz powers. Mostly because I want the term "Lion-bro" to be said in the show at least once.

        lion-bro sounds awesome but what other half?

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      • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:

        Yoshimickster wrote: Personally, I think Lion is Steven's twin brother who inherited the other half of Rose Quartz powers. Mostly because I want the term "Lion-bro" to be said in the show at least once.

        lion-bro sounds awesome but what other half?

        um, he said steven

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      • Conflicted Bagel wrote:

        Son of Nemesis34 wrote:

        Yoshimickster wrote: Personally, I think Lion is Steven's twin brother who inherited the other half of Rose Quartz powers. Mostly because I want the term "Lion-bro" to be said in the show at least once.

        lion-bro sounds awesome but what other half?

        um, he said steven

        I know steven was mentioned, what do you mean?

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      • Dear lord all of these baseless assumptions from both sides of the argument

        RE: Lion's gender:

        Some lionesses have manes. Sexual dichotomy is not the perfect binary y'all would like it to be. Nature is messy. Aside from that, Lion is a magical animal, and earthly/human notions about gender and sex simply can't be assumed to apply here. The gems' usage of 'male' pronouns for Lion means nothing, because 'female' pronouns are used for the gems who are known to be genderless, despite taking on what most would consider female gender roles. Similarly, some humans IRL -- myself included -- use binary pronouns for simplicity. I have a beard, 'male' genetalia, and a 'male' name. I do not identify as a man. I use, and instruct others to use, male pronouns for myself because it is what I've always been referred to as, because I don't want to make a big deal out of it, and because they're the closest pronouns to how I identify without using weird non-standard pronouns.

        TL;DR: Lion could be male, female, genderless, genderqueer, whatever. Lion could be anything. Lion probably doesn't even have a concept of gender. Making any assumptions about Lion's gender/sex is ridiculous, because Lion is a magical creature and doesn't care about your arbitrary gender rules.

        RE: Rose == Lion

        Alright, next thing. Rose became half of Steven. Let's take a look at that. Rose. People keep making this more complicated than it needs to be. "Oh, it's half of Rose!" "No, it's 100% of Rose!" "No, it's Rose's soul!"

        Nah, bro. It's Rose. Just Rose. Specifically, Rose Quartz. Take it at face value. So, what does that mean? Rose Quartz, the Gem, the person, her self, became half of Steven, and gave up her physical form to do so. This only means that in order for Rose to become a constituent of Steven, she could no longer posess her own physical form -- this does not necessarily mean that her physical form became a part of Steven. We know for a fact that all that the Gems essentially are is... well, their gems. Similarly, are you, the conscious, thinking person, your body? Or do you exist inside of your body? I dunno man, that stuff's complicated, ask a neuroscientist or a philosopher. Gems are simple though. Gems are their gems. Steven has Rose Quartz's gem. Rose Quartz is a part of Steven. This is undeniable. (at least without some serious mental gymnastics)

        It is entirely possible, though, that Rose created Lion out of the physical mass of her body upon birthing Steven. She was shown to be a lover and a student of Life in many forms. She studied it, knew how it worked, how to guide and shape it, and she may have figured out a way to create independent life out of her own Gem-flesh. If this were the case, does this mean that Lion would be Rose? No. Lion would be of Rose. It's a subtle but important distinction.

        To conclude:

        Rose Quartz, the Gem Person, she, herself, is half of Steven. Half. Of. Steven. Do you see anywhere that it says "half of Rose?" No. Glad we're on the same page.

        This does not exclude Lion from somehow being made from what was once her physical body.

        What this does mean is that Rose Quartz herself is not Lion. If I lose a part of my body, that part is no longer me. It's just biomass now. I am still me, and I am not less of me for having lost it. The bodies of Gems are basically like their limbs. They're just parts. Who they really are is contained within their gem. Lion's body could have once belonged to Rose, but now it belongs to Lion.


        side note: As for why I put quotes around 'male' and 'female' in the first paragraph, I'll just quote notable comedian and ignore-er of the gender binary, Eddie Izzard: “They’re not women’s clothes. They’re my clothes. I bought them.” Similarly, when I say my pronouns are he/him, they're not men's pronouns. They're just my pronouns. Because I'm not a man. Also conflating gender and sex -- male to man, female to woman -- is super problematic. Like I mentioned above, nature is messy. There's not just two sexes and two genders. Intersex people exist. Transgender people exist. Lionesses with manes exist. Hens that crow and have big wattles like a rooster exist! I had one! It laid eggs! But it's the common usage of the vocabulary in this case, so I figured I'd just use it and explain down here.

        \*drops mic*

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      • Jesus me o-o Thats alot of typing!

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      • Amberite
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      • Kass McK wrote:

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        Quite possibly one of the more hilarious, if not insane, posts i've seen in this long, long chain. It kind of plays into my own theory about Lion being friendly to Steven because he recognizes his Gem. He was first introduced when Steven's gem was showing.


        On a side note, can we possbly find a way to equate A gem's Gem with it's genitalia kthanksbai.

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      • @Kass McK

        [Disclaimer: Apologize in advance if you think I'm calling you out/being rude or mean/starting arguments for no reason because that isn't the case. I'm also very sarcastic to the point of being caustic so don't take it personal. I'm just here to have intellectual discussions/arguments with others because this show is way more complex than it seems and understanding it from people's points of view is intriguing to me somehow. Tear me apart if you want, I'm game.]

        1. RE: Lion's gender:  "Some lionesses have manes. Sexual dichotomy is not the perfect binary y'all would like it to be. Nature is messy." That doesn't really change anything. Is a Lioness with a mane considered a Lion? Is a Lion without a mane considered a Lioness? No. A Lioness with a mane = Lioness. Lion without a mane = Lion . A hen that crows and has a wattle = still a hen. The gems usage of male pronouns is important because literally only they (which really means the crewniverse of course) knows/can decide whether or not Lion is male or otherwise. Only they can make that disctinction and they have. For all we know sexual dichotomy could be flawless in the SU universe. And obiviously 'Lion is a magical creature and doesn't care about your arbitrary gender rules.' Fun fact: Lion is a fictional creature in a fictional universe. We can literally ascribe whatever personal beliefs we have on him and it literally wouldn't matter a wink. We literally couldn't hurt his/her/its/their/feelings because they don't actually exist.

        2. RE: Rose == Lion. You literally restated what people have said except in a more convoluted way. You could've summed up in one sentence what you wrote just about two paragraphs for with: 'The entirety of Rose's being is a part of Steven.' I will agree with you though that '[Rose] was shown to be a lover and a student of Life in many forms.' But never was it stated that Rose could create life from thin air/nothing. She could mold plants into what she wanted but couldn't create it from nothing. And I will again agree with you that it is possible 'Lion's body could have once belonged to Rose, but now it belongs to Lion.' But there is also a problem with that. 'Gem-flesh' as you call it doesn't exist outside/seperate from a gem. If a part of a gem is cut/blown off then it ceases to exist. A gem also can't control their hardlight forms when retreating into their gems regardless of why they're being forced to retreat (as far as we know, which means you could still be completely right). Pearl, Garnet, and more recently Amethyst have all had to retreat into their gems. If they had total control over their hardlight forms then they wouldn't need to retreat at all/ could prolong the process and could do whatever they wanted with their forms They would also be able to duplicate themselves if they wanted/needed to. But they can't. If Rose was in the process of giving herself up for Steven then she wouldn't have control over anything at all, let alone her body. And the process of creating a lifeform from scrath sounds extremely complex and requiring a lot of concentration. She probably would've been in a comatose-like state and unable to do anything.

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      • I have to agree with Kass McK here. The main point we have to consider is that Lion does not appear to possess a gem, and as far as we know what's left of Rose Quartz is Steven's gem and half of steven's physical form while the other half is most likely the result of his father's sperm merging with Rose's projected form. Sometimes how writers or showrunners intend things to be isn't exactly true to the canon, and the only official account we've had sort of contradicts the facts we know thus far. Rose gave up her physical form to become half of Steven, which contradicts the idea that she "became a womb", which would also contradict the fact that Steven has her gem.

        It is still strongly possible that Lion was created by Rose in some form, but again, I have to remind you, that things like what Lion is, and how exactly he was created, is currently 100% speculatory. We simply don't have enough information. There's no point in continuing this conversation any further, so I beseech you all, stop trying to find answers that simply don't exist. Every possible theory has pretty much already been said by now, and some of them have even already been reiterated.

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      • one thing i just thought about. what if steven got hurt would his gem bring rose back so he can heal in "her" womb

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      • Let's wait for that to happen first.

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