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Jey8000·2/6/2016 in General

Are Gems super-über-advance A.I./robots?

I started to get into the show just recently, but Gems as a species don't seem to be capable of being created by completely natural and random events as our form of life was. The Gems need to be manufactured in order to make more of themselves, they may have concepts of romantic relationships among other 'high level' feelings, but procreation isn't one of the end results and I can't find a good explanation (yeah there is the example of Steven, but I have a theory that he isn't necessary part-Gem) as to why they would have those feelings if creating offsping didn't lead them to uniting in those strong bonds, so what are they for?

I feel one of two possibilities could have lead to them: 1.) They are the result of a "Post-Singularity" species. That is a species that was once fully organic or something similar to this concept, but eventually made themselves part-robotic then eventually reached a point that they stopped being 'organic'. 2.) The "Terminator" scenario. Robotic beings that killed their creators long ago. This could explain their war-like nature and disliking of other species that were 'naturally born'.

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Jey8000·2/11/2016

Aptos wrote: Well, natural as in occurring without man making it. Exotic matter is matter having different properties than the matter we have, and a tipler cylinder is a tunnel in spacetime that has infinite length with endpoints of exotic matter, matter with specifically the proper properties to function as this. This would justify this limitless energy supply

A tipler tunnel seems to require negative energy and it wouldn't just be length wise huge but also width and height would be significantly huge relatively speaking. Gems just having this property would be nearly improbable but it could supply them with lots of energy, energy so far that seems not to able to be lost over time. I don't think with your evidence they could exist without being design to do so, entropy should be their enemy, but it isn't as for example Lapis had her gem cracked and was somewhat unstable, yet still pretty much functional heck even the Gem fusions/mutants are still able to make a form of some type even after millennia of being damaged even if this form is uncontrolled and irrational, savage-like; not even pulverizing a gem stops them from working, it just hinders them a heck of a lot. All this sounds intended or at least unintentionally intended in a similar way to how we created plastic to last for a long time, well even with photodegradation, microscopic pieces of plastic still exist and will exist for an unknown amount of time.

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Aptos·2/12/2016

But the endpoints of the tipler cylinder could allow such energy transferrance, and negative mass matter as perfect fluid fits classical physics. As for entropy, the concept of this asymmetrical entropy increase over time is generally limited by a time travel mechanism, so a tipler cylinder could solve this.

As for the partial conciousness and shards, that would seem to imply partial growth systems within these gems. For example, the gems could really be just cells with crystalline cell walls. Organelles could include a processing nucleus, a light projection organelle, energy recieving organelle, and an organelle for storage of energy. A nucleus is within most cells, light projection from a crystalline structure is fairly common given an energy source and specific electromagnetic interaction could allow for hardened light, both of which can come from unique chemical structures available in high pressures. The only issue is the exotic matter required for endpoints of the tipler cylinder. Development of unique bacteria within high pressure environments could allow such an organism.

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Steven watcher·2/13/2016

Indiesongwriter wrote: I think the Gems have consciousness and free will which is generally not ascribed to robots, even intelligent robots. I think they are being presented as inorganic life, which is a different category of being altogether. But I do think that they might have originally been created by another race. There are different options here:
1. They were originally created for something peaceful (creativity, emotional bonding, science, or eternal life)
2. They were originally created to be warriors
3. They were created for a variety of purposes, both peaceful and war-oriented
4. They destroyed their creators out of self defense
5. They destroyed their creators out of lust for power
6. They watched their creators destroy themselves due to war
7. They watched their creators destroy themselves due to pollution
8. They escaped from their creators and are still trying to evade them
9. They escaped from their creators and are still trying to hunt them down
10. They escaped from their creators and are indifferent to them now as too much time has passed

I believe that their origin story is going to explain why the Diamond Authority is so fear-based and hell bent on colonizing other worlds to survive and expand. Also why they don't care for organic life. I think all of the Diamonds were created by an alien race that didn't fully agree on their purpose. Some wanted to use them as a war machine, others for more peaceful purposes. But either way the Diamonds were prisoners which they resented. The world experienced a famine and wars broke out and the Diamonds were used as weapons. The Diamonds refused to fight one another and banded together to escape from this world and begin their own society. They vowed to create a society that would never go to war with itself and never allow themselves run out of the resources they need. Due to their experience, they see organic life as chaotic and self destructive and desire order and conformity to counter this.

What about the character in A.I

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Democritos·2/13/2016

i hate when people try to explain fiction shows using non-fiction science. Its a hype killer.

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Steven watcher·2/13/2016

Stevenismyuniverse wrote: i hate when people try to explain fiction shows using non-fiction science. Its a hype killer.

we can pretend a.i is real then apply that as a substitute for real logic

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Democritos·2/13/2016

just another piece of proof that hiatus is killing fandom...

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Steven watcher·2/13/2016

Aptos wrote: But the endpoints of the tipler cylinder could allow such energy transferrance, and negative mass matter as perfect fluid fits classical physics. As for entropy, the concept of this asymmetrical entropy increase over time is generally limited by a time travel mechanism, so a tipler cylinder could solve this.
As for the partial conciousness and shards, that would seem to imply partial growth systems within these gems. For example, the gems could really be just cells with crystalline cell walls. Organelles could include a processing nucleus, a light projection organelle, energy recieving organelle, and an organelle for storage of energy. A nucleus is within most cells, light projection from a crystalline structure is fairly common given an energy source and specific electromagnetic interaction could allow for hardened light, both of which can come from unique chemical structures available in high pressures. The only issue is the exotic matter required for endpoints of the tipler cylinder. Development of unique bacteria within high pressure environments could allow such an organism.

Or just A.I

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Aptos·2/13/2016

Stevenismyuniverse wrote: i hate when people try to explain fiction shows using non-fiction science. Its a hype killer.

I feel the opposite way. It adds a concept of realism to the show.

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Tomas i.s.d.·2/16/2016

Aptos wrote:

Stevenismyuniverse wrote: i hate when people try to explain fiction shows using non-fiction science. Its a hype killer.

I feel the opposite way. It adds a concept of realism to the show.

You killed the hype. The hype is officially dead now.

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Aptos·2/16/2016

Tom Topaz wrote:

Aptos wrote:

Stevenismyuniverse wrote: i hate when people try to explain fiction shows using non-fiction science. Its a hype killer.

I feel the opposite way. It adds a concept of realism to the show.

You killed the hype. The hype is officially dead now.

Nay nay. Its just that things died down after that big event the other day on the wiki.

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What do you think?