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    • This Q brings up an interesting topic that is less covered in SU fandom: the alternate Earth timeline. What is different about this Earth and why is that important to the story?  I have a theory that racism, classicism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia don't exist in the same way or same intensity that they do in our timeline.  It's not to say that this SU Earth doesn't have it's own issues but it's a more accepting, progressive planet.  The 'other' in SU therefore becomes the Gems (or I suppose, when the Homeworld Gems try to colonize earth the gems are the oppressors and the humans are the 'other;), which then act as a stand-in for the actual otherness in our world (race, class, homophobia, etc).  It just seems like a lot of these parts of the characters' identities in Beach City are widely accepted to the point where it is assumed.  I think it is why Steven, a gender queer boy who is fat, is loved by all with no bullying about these traits by anyone.  I could definitely be wrong about this (case in point, Kevin creeping on Stevonnie in Alone Together, which was objectifying/dehumanizing) but it's a thought as to why there was no WWII and I would guess there was no WWI.  I think it's overall a less warlike, prejudiced Earth timeline and that humans in general are kinder, though not w/o their quirks and selfish behavior too (ahem! Lars).  This is, again, to set up the main oonflict as between Homeworld and Earth (an idealized Earth) so the conflict is not between groups of people on Earth AND between Earth and Homeworld.  The people on this world are more united in a way and it makes you kind of get behind the fictional planet more, as opposed to if Steven was being bullied for his wearing drag or if Greg was looked down on for living in a van.  Those issues would distract from the overall story which focuses on The Gems and creates the planet Earth as a more pure protagosnist world.  The show is using fiction to isolate the problems of Earth completely in a fantasy trope. 

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    • if World War I still happened, it means that this series has probably Nazi Germany.

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    • I think it is why Steven, a gender queer boy...


      Hell no. Do not bring you ideology into this.

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    • Nieznajomy43 wrote:
      if World War I still happened, it means that this series has probably Nazi Germany.


      Or maybe they left Earth... 

      ...and built a secret base on the MOON, secretly controlling the Earth using their snake people to hypnotize everybody?!?!!111!


      Eeehh, I highly doubt the show would dwell on that anyway...

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    • Fudgecreep wrote:


      .... Eeehh, I highly doubt the show would dwell on that anyway...

      I think so too, but still it's a bit ridiculous to think that Steven Universe has Nazis. ;)

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      I had the definition of gender queer wrong
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    • Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      I think it is why Steven, a gender queer boy...

      Hell no. Do not bring you ideology into this.

      Gender queer was the wrong term.  I should have used the word gender-noncomforming.  The point being that Steven is not traditionally masculine, he's an emotionally expressive protector who follows the lead of others and will dress in drag when the occasion suits him. That none of this is questioned or judged in Beach City points to this Earth being a generally more tolerant place than our Earth timeline.  

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    • Your joking right?

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    • I would say it is hard to guess at the changes that occurred because it is not like the POD (Point of Divergence) between SU Earth and real Earth happened in say the 19th century or later.  We are talking about Gems being on Earth possibly before humans even left the Neolithic period so all of human history as we know it would be completely disrupted. That is not evening counting the deformation of landmasses, Russian history without the Siberian region would be very different from the real timeline.  I would love to see an episode or book on human history in the SU timeline, but in the end I think the team wanted an Earth just different enough to have aliens running around without people so much as raising an eyebrow but still be basically recognizable to audiences.

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    • Indiesongwriter wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      I think it is why Steven, a gender queer boy...

      Hell no. Do not bring you ideology into this.

      Gender queer was the wrong term.  I should have used the word gender-noncomforming.  The point being that Steven is not traditionally masculine, he's an emotionally expressive protector who follows the lead of others and will dress in drag when the occasion suits him. That none of this is questioned or judged in Beach City points to this Earth being a generally more tolerant place than our Earth timeline.  

      He was dressing that way because Sadie was suppose to be up there. 

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    • OKay this is a theory i made up i think has you guys said world war 1 might have happened and all of your theories that nazi germany Might have exist maybe in steven universe Nazi germany is still running as the leading government of germany 


      and remember russia during 1917 a revolution started because of world war 1 so maybe russia is a large superpower like the former country of the sovet union 

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    • Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      Indiesongwriter wrote:
      Gray Pea Shooter wrote:
      I think it is why Steven, a gender queer boy...Hell no. Do not bring you ideology into this.
      Gender queer was the wrong term.  I should have used the word gender-noncomforming.  The point being that Steven is not traditionally masculine, he's an emotionally expressive protector who follows the lead of others and will dress in drag when the occasion suits him. That none of this is questioned or judged in Beach City points to this Earth being a generally more tolerant place than our Earth timeline.  
      He was dressing that way because Sadie was suppose to be up there. 

      Rebecca Sugar has said in interviews that challenging gender politics is part of the show so this is not 'my ideology' but the ideology of the show's creator.  A male character dressing in drag and not having it being treated like a joke is a perfect example of that.  

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    • Holiday does not exists maybe for a political reason or for a cultural reasons (humans tends to detach from any supernatural event, so maybe they're less influenced by religions, superstision etc...).

      According to Mayor Dewey in "Shirt Club", there are conflicts in the Middle-Eastern area like in our world.

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    • Wait, does religion exist in this world?

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    • Maplestrip wrote:
      Wait, does religion exist in this world?

      Seems unlikely. Though, Rose might have her own. But still, unlikely.

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    • Taking into account that Christmas and Halloween doesn't exist as such in Steven's Universe, it is quite probable that Christianism never surged and/or spreaded across the world and that people (at least people from Western Culture countries) still celebrate the ancient holidays of Yule and Samhain. I believe that if any kind of religion is presented, it will be based on an ancient Gem worshipping cult or something. (Considering that it is also possible that Gem language influenced human, it wouldn't be such an stretch to assume that they influenced arts and religion too)

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    • Tom Topaz 
      

      on the banknotes appears the image of a gem. :)

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    • Tom Topaz wrote:
      Taking into account that Christmas and Halloween doesn't exist as such in Steven's Universe, it is quite probable that Christianism never surged and/or spreaded across the world and that people (at least people from Western Culture countries) still celebrate the ancient holidays of Yule and Samhain. I believe that if any kind of religion is presented, it will be based on an ancient Gem worshipping cult or something. (Considering that it is also possible that Gem language influenced human, it wouldn't be such an stretch to assume that they influenced arts and religion too)

      Hold your horses. Christmas isn't as christian as you might think. It was moved to the 25th december, because all the pegans celebrated "the birthday of the Unconquered Sun" or something like that. Christians had nothing to do with halloween until the 7th century. Even the tiniest deviation in history could have a major impact so it isn't neccesary that Christianism doesn't exist in order to make Christmas and Halloween not exist.

      I think the fact people don't do pilgrimages to Beach City suggests that they have always tried to keep a low profile throughout history(, unless someone was about to drown).

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:

      Tom Topaz wrote:
      Taking into account that Christmas and Halloween doesn't exist as such in Steven's Universe, it is quite probable that Christianism never surged and/or spreaded across the world and that people (at least people from Western Culture countries) still celebrate the ancient holidays of Yule and Samhain. I believe that if any kind of religion is presented, it will be based on an ancient Gem worshipping cult or something. (Considering that it is also possible that Gem language influenced human, it wouldn't be such an stretch to assume that they influenced arts and religion too)

      Hold your horses. Christmas isn't as christian as you might think. It was moved to the 25th december, because all the pegans celebrated "the birthday of the Unconquered Sun" or something like that. Christians had nothing to do with halloween until the 7th century. Even the tiniest deviation in history could have a major impact so it isn't neccesary that Christianism doesn't exist in order to make Christmas and Halloween not exist.

      I think the fact people don't do pilgrimages to Beach City suggests that they have always tried to keep a low profile throughout history(, unless someone was about to drown).

      1. Seriously? I mean, ¿Christmas is not christian?. It is the holiday for the birth of Jesus Christ, it does not matter which date it is, it is the same celebration. What does matter is that the actual ancient celebration it was merged with (Winter Solstice) may have lived on.
      2. The "Sol Invictus" was not celebrated by the pagans, but by the Romans. And considering that Christians were the minority during those times, then they were the pagans.
      3. Almost all cultures in the world have a holiday around the time of the winter solstice and the harvest. I just used Yule and Samhain because they are their names in the Wiccan religion and they are also very used in fiction, so I considered that they would make a good example of an alternative to Christmas and Halloween.
      4. Still, even the name Halloween derives from Christian influence ("All Hallows' Eve"). Just the fact that the name is different is proof enough that Christianism did not developed in the same way that it did in our world (this does apply to Christmas too. Heck, it applies more to Christmas than it does to Hallowee)
      5. Take into account that this takes place in North America, so, judging by our world's calendar, only events from 15th Century and earlier should be taken as "recent". Halloween was already an established holiday 700 years before the "discovery" of the American continent. And Pearl said that William's Dewey arrival happened 200 years ago...
      6. Citing dates in our calendar is an unreliable proof, considering that Steven's universe may have a different one. This is specially true if we assume that Christianism either never surged or didn't spread among the Roman nobility and Emperors, because our calendar was reset based on the Christian religion, with the First Century and Year One coinciding with Jesus birthdate.
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    • 1. Jehovah's Witnesses are christians and they don't celebrate Christmas or Christmachrist if one christ isn't enough for you.

      2. It doesn't matter whether Pagans or Roman neither were really christians.

      The point is that there are a thousands of possible reasons why they don't celebrate Christmas or Halloween. And most important, the non existens of Christianity would cause a ton of other deviations of far greater scale than the non existens Christmas or Halloween. You are taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut, by using this explanation.

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    • JairoHanson wrote:
      OKay this is a theory i made up i think has you guys said world war 1 might have happened and all of your theories that nazi germany Might have exist maybe in steven universe Nazi germany is still running as the leading government of germany 


      and remember russia during 1917 a revolution started because of world war 1 so maybe russia is a large superpower like the former country of the sovet union 

      Or they Germany got their head on straight after WW1 and Hitler was never elected. Maybe Someone else started WW1 in this universe (the story of how WW1 started is quite confusing), so Germany didn't had to pay that much reparations.

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    • Fudgecreep wrote:
      Maplestrip wrote:
      Wait, does religion exist in this world?
      Seems unlikely. Though, Rose might have her own. But still, unlikely.

      Cuz rebecca is an atheist.

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    • If ww1 and 2 never happened in Su, the human milktary in Su would resemble militaries seen in Pre-ww1, you know like horse cavalries, steam powered battleships and whatnot. Clearly the crewniveree never goes to http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/


      They removed all this stuff so steven doesnt see the horrors of war and realize that humanity is just as evil as homeworld.

      Humanity in Su is atheist because rebecca sugar and the entirety of the US is atheist and its set up so that after the crystal gems stop a second homeworld invasion (which would produce a post apocalyptic earth) steven gets worshipped by a despersate and hopeless humanity as a living god in a future episode and a religion gets formed around him. And thus the world rebuilds with his blessings.

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    • Benjohn132 wrote:
      If ww1 and 2 never happened in Su, the human milktary in Su would resemble militaries seen in Pre-ww1, you know like horse cavalries, steam powered battleships and whatnot. Clearly the crewniveree never goes to http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/

      They removed all this stuff so steven doesnt see the horrors of war and realize that humanity is just as evil as homeworld.

      Humanity in Su is atheist because rebecca sugar and the entirety of the US is atheist and its set up so that after the crystal gems stop a second homeworld invasion (which would produce a post apocalyptic earth) steven gets worshipped by a despersate and hopeless humanity as a living god in a future episode and a religion gets formed around him. And thus the world rebuilds with his blessings.

      Talking about Hitler in a family show is simply tedious, that is simply a good reason to decouple there. Saying the whole world is atheistic in order to explain why there is no chirstmas and was not WW2 is like  taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

      And if WW2 never happend why should militaries stick to their WW1 armaments? Military didn't stop evolving after WW2 and there is not reason to assume that WW1 was the last war in human history.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:

      Benjohn132 wrote:
      If ww1 and 2 never happened in Su, the human milktary in Su would resemble militaries seen in Pre-ww1, you know like horse cavalries, steam powered battleships and whatnot. Clearly the crewniveree never goes to http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/

      They removed all this stuff so steven doesnt see the horrors of war and realize that humanity is just as evil as homeworld.

      Humanity in Su is atheist because rebecca sugar and the entirety of the US is atheist and its set up so that after the crystal gems stop a second homeworld invasion (which would produce a post apocalyptic earth) steven gets worshipped by a despersate and hopeless humanity as a living god in a future episode and a religion gets formed around him. And thus the world rebuilds with his blessings.

      Talking about Hitler in a family show is simply tedious, that is simply a good reason to decouple there. Saying the whole world is atheistic in order to explain why there is no chirstmas and was not WW2 is like  taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

      And if WW2 never happend why should militaries stick to their WW1 armaments? Military didn't stop evolving after WW2 and there is not reason to assume that WW1 was the last war in human history.

      Saying that the world is not mainly christian isn't the same as affirming that it is atheist. There are lots of other religions. And as I said, Christmas would not exist as Christmas, but as another Winter Solstice holiday that took its place. The same applies to Halloween. You are the one with the sledgehammer, as you are assuming that by saying that christianism never surged/spreaded then it means that the world is Atheist.

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    • Tom Topaz wrote:

      Snowball where are my wrote:

      Benjohn132 wrote:
      If ww1 and 2 never happened in Su, the human milktary in Su would resemble militaries seen in Pre-ww1, you know like horse cavalries, steam powered battleships and whatnot. Clearly the crewniveree never goes to http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/

      They removed all this stuff so steven doesnt see the horrors of war and realize that humanity is just as evil as homeworld.

      Humanity in Su is atheist because rebecca sugar and the entirety of the US is atheist and its set up so that after the crystal gems stop a second homeworld invasion (which would produce a post apocalyptic earth) steven gets worshipped by a despersate and hopeless humanity as a living god in a future episode and a religion gets formed around him. And thus the world rebuilds with his blessings.

      Talking about Hitler in a family show is simply tedious, that is simply a good reason to decouple there. Saying the whole world is atheistic in order to explain why there is no chirstmas and was not WW2 is like  taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

      And if WW2 never happend why should militaries stick to their WW1 armaments? Military didn't stop evolving after WW2 and there is not reason to assume that WW1 was the last war in human history.

      Saying that the world is not mainly christian isn't the same as affirming that it is atheist. There are lots of other religions. And as I said, Christmas would not exist as Christmas, but as another Winter Solstice holiday that took its place. The same applies to Halloween. You are the one with the sledgehammer, as you are assuming that by saying that christianism never surged/spreaded then it means that the world is Atheist.

      Ok, but assuming that christianism never spread in order to explain why they don't have Christmas and WW2 is still like taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut, since it would change the entire course of western civilization.

      There are christians, which don't celebarate christmas, so it is entirely possible that christianism has spread and christmas doesn't exist for other reasons.

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