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  • We've come so far in analyzing, agruing, debating, digging deep through the true extent of Steven and Connie's relationship, and the existence of romance within them...

    Yet, it still remains as a mystery, and may will ever be...

    After a short pause, we're back to explore through Steven and Connie's relationship in its deepest.

    For the final part of this series of discussion, the same question still remains:

    Do Steven and Connie have romantic feelings for each other?~

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    • For clarification, by "romantic feelings", it may be as romantic interest, crush, and romantic chemistry (unconscious romantic feelings).

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    • Before we could go deep with evidences stuff.

      Let's take a look with Connie's concept art... (which I literally just saw few hours ago)

      OM, She looks SO CUTE!!

      Oh wait... is that... Steven? Blushing while staring at awe? OM

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    • Also, Alex Hirsch ships it too!!

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      OM
      btw, credits to Goldmaker3245 for finding it

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    • But Alex hirsch and the GF crew like messing with people. The ending of GF sorta showed that, given the people searching for Bill's statue

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    • Aptos wrote:
      But Alex hirsch and the GF crew like messing with people. The ending of GF sorta showed that, given the people searching for Bill's statue

      When it comes to Gravity Falls, yes.

      But we don't know for sure if it's the same with other shows. He could be just yet another fan of Steven Universe, like us, and a shipper too. Oh, also, he and Rebecca Sugar already met multiple times. Which might have sparked several conspiracy theories between the two, and the two shows.


      tbh, when I saw that tweet, part of me wants to laugh, and the other part of me wants to squeal like a little girl.

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    • At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

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    • Rocky55 wrote:
      At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

      OH MY GO D

      I FELL ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING FOR 3 MINUTES STRAIGHT AAAAAAAAAAA

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    • Rocky55 wrote: At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

      I agree! This post is fantastic.

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    • Rocky55 wrote:
      At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

      Wow okay, I choked on the water I was drinking lmao!

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    • Rocky55 wrote: At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

      Pearl loves where this is going

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    • Rocky55 wrote: At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

      lol Brilliant. Just plain brilliant.

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    • Rocky55 wrote: At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

      I would once more like to politely ask of you to not comment if you do not wish to contribute to discussion. Your beliefs and opinions are not of the topic, and thus should not be present. Furthermore, this could be potentially insulting to either user by placing such implications. Once again, please do not post if you shall only remain derogatory and overall distracting from the topic area.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Rocky55 wrote: At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

      I would once more like to politely ask of you to not comment if you do not wish to contribute to discussion. Your beliefs and opinions are not of the topic, and thus should not be present. Furthermore, this could be potentially insulting to either user by placing such implications. Once again, please do not post if you shall only remain derogatory and overall distracting from the topic area.

      Someone can't take a joke.

      Salty sing
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    • Nah. I was simply annoyed. Because believe it or not, I want this done as much as the rest of y'all, and all the other distractions just make this take longer. And that's requiring work and time. Which I do not wish to expend unnecessarily.

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    • Aptos wrote: Nah. I was simply annoyed. Because believe it or not, I want this done as much as the rest of y'all, and all the other distractions just make this take longer. And that's requiring work and time. Which I do not wish to expend unnecessarily.

      Silly Aptos,

      arguements never end on the Internet!

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    • Surely eventually there can be led to a rational and logical conclusion, as there is a limited amount of evidence to the subject. I mean, everyone hear is reasonable, a debate should be able to be resolved.

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    • Aptos wrote: Surely eventually there can be led to a rational and logical conclusion, as there is a limited amount of evidence to the subject. I mean, everyone hear is reasonable, a debate should be able to be resolved.

      >reasonable

      >internet forum

      Hahaahah.

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    • I can't believe this topic has lasted this long. All because of Perlens love of Stevonnie and Aptos urge to refute everything. I'm honestly just amazed really.

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    • Poorle wrote: I can't believe this topic has lasted this long. All because of Perlens love of Stevonnie and Aptos urge to refute everything. I'm honestly just amazed really.

      ......this is a trap post for me to respond to.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Poorle wrote: I can't believe this topic has lasted this long. All because of Perlens love of Stevonnie and Aptos urge to refute everything. I'm honestly just amazed really.

      ......this is a trap post for me to respond to.

      Its a trap star wars
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    • Aptos wrote:

      Poorle wrote: I can't believe this topic has lasted this long. All because of Perlens love of Stevonnie and Aptos urge to refute everything. I'm honestly just amazed really.

      ......this is a trap post for me to respond to.

      I'm actually like serious for once, it's genuinely interesting. Although I think at this point you guys are running out of material till we get some new episodes down the road.

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    • Yea, but I really wanted to say that I do not have the urge to refute everything. Though the threads had a good run, and I should think as new episodes appear it will add either direct parallels for perlen if no connie or direct references to them being friends if connie is in the episode

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    • Rocky55 wrote:
      At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?

      Oh my god I snorted. HELP ME

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    • Amethystkitten wrote:

      Rocky55 wrote:
      At this point, I think we should be questioning whether Aptos and Perlen have romantic feelings for each other. The fact that they dragged this mundane and obvious topic for this long speaks volumes. This thread is just a front for your your newly blossoming romance right?
      Oh my god I snorted. HELP ME

      Snorted?

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    • Lol good times, good times. 

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    • In all honesty, it's actually  NOT my love for Stevonnie (although it motivates me) and Aptos' urge to refute everything that this thread made this far.

      It's because of, well, logic, justification and consideration. Aptos' words helped me discover it, that there's always different meanings, perspectives, and possibilities. Two words: who knows?

      I always take every opposing side's points into consideration, which lead to my latest claims.

      What we do here now is to determine which side holds the canon truth.

      But this discussion isn't made for that, I realized, but to discover.

      I discovered A LOT MORE things between Steven and Connie as the discussion continues. Examples of which are their interesting connection to Ruby and Sapphire, the special-unique type of romantic feelings they have for each other, and many many more...

      I haven't written down all those evidences prior to the creation of this discussion, I just discovered things as I went.


      Before you say anything like "who cares if they have romantic romantic for each other, just watch the show" or something like that, it's the same question for theorists. This whole thing is just plain curiousity.


      Before you all judge us, why not be part of this, act or think or atleast pretend like us, y'all understand.

      I didn't create this discussion just for two of us, but for the whole community to discuss about.


      (*saw everyone shipping me and Aptos* woah, nice crack ship you had there~)

      Ohkay, I just hope that no one will go off topic next time, this is supposed to be like a theory thread. Please take this seriously.

      And yes, Steven and Connie having romantic feelings for each other is still a theory, atleast for us.

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    • Oh also, Aptos, I think you should consider that they're young, romance and romantic feelings are expressed different on them. Although they know romance, but they never completely understood it.

      Just wait until they are a little older for them to meet your expectations of how you define romance.


      The Crewniverse, well, romanticizes them by touching down to their romantic undertones, but they never went further than that. For one reason: they're still young. It's hard to imagine kids going romantic all-the-way in a show like Steven Universe.



      Oh, again, by romantic feelings, it may be as a crush, romantic interest, or romantic chemistry (unconscious romantic feelings).

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    • How long are you gonna keep this up, damn like seriously

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    • Yo, when I debated with Aptos about this it was lliterally twice as long as this whole thread. He will not be swayed until they like kiss or something. Let's just move on. Trust me. There is no pulling him out of his corner of beliefs. It won't happen, Perlen. I agree with you on almost every single point that you're making, but it'll save you a lot of stress if you just let the plot prove either side (which is likely to be the side of stevonnie) right. I've already told Aptos that I will be handing out I Told You Sos once we find out, because the kid in me will actually feel better when I do. Maybe you'll enjoy it too, but if you just enjoy discourse, then by all means continue. I'm just saying it's pretty pointless.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: Oh also, Aptos, I think you should consider that they're young, romance and romantic feelings are expressed different on them. Although they know romance, but they never completely understood it.

      Just wait until they are a little older for them to meet your expectations of how you define romance.


      The Crewniverse, well, romanticizes them by touching down to their romantic undertones, but they never went further than that. For one reason: they're still young. It's hard to imagine kids going romantic all-the-way in a show like Steven Universe.



      Oh, again, by romantic feelings, it may be as a crush, romantic interest, or romantic chemistry (unconscious romantic feelings).

      Fair enough, but I feel like unconcious romantic feelings and romantic chemistry are potentially distinct. As for their expression, they act similarly to ruby and sapphire as they are romantic, isn't it more useful to claim there maturity?

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    • Nearhza wrote: Yo, when I debated with Aptos about this it was lliterally twice as long as this whole thread. He will not be swayed until they like kiss or something. Let's just move on. Trust me. There is no pulling him out of his corner of beliefs. It won't happen, Perlen. I agree with you on almost every single point that you're making, but it'll save you a lot of stress if you just let the plot prove either side (which is likely to be the side of stevonnie) right. I've already told Aptos that I will be handing out I Told You Sos once we find out, because the kid in me will actually feel better when I do. Maybe you'll enjoy it too, but if you just enjoy discourse, then by all means continue. I'm just saying it's pretty pointless.

      We have gone through three more threads after you quit. And believe it or not, I have swayed somewhat. I have submitted to parallels in the support-fighter relationship, for example. It was just that you did not present any arguments that would sway me, not that it couldnt be done.

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    • YES. I couldn't finally comfirm it until Steven's BIrthday, but YES. I do agree with your thing about the subconcious romantic feeling, as in neither is completly unsure whether or not they really like each other; but I personally have the same relationship with a boy I know, and I know that if I was in the same situation it would be like that. But, for at least Connie, SOMETHING is going on, and I can't wait unitl we get more Stevonnie. 

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    • Pearl is thirsty and Steven has harmons. End of story.

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    • I think the current status of Steven and Connies relationship can be classify as a romantic friendship. They don't really have any sexual attraction towards each other, but yet they still do some activities that can be perceive as romantic. 

      Now how romantic is this exactly I do not know, but it's definitely not as clear cut as it seems to be. I still very much like how it is right now though, just them being friends, having them being goofy as hell and having some romanticism is appealing to everyone. It's probally intentionally like this so it can attract both who want to ship Steven x Connie and people who want them to just be friends.

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    • Poorle wrote: I think the current status of Steven and Connies relationship can be classify as a romantic friendship. They don't really have any sexual attraction towards each other, but yet they still do some activities that can be perceive as romantic. 

      Now how romantic is this exactly I do not know, but it's definitely not as clear cut as it seems to be. I still very much like how it is right now though, just them being friends, having them being goofy as hell and having some romanticism is appealing to everyone. It's probally intentionally like this so it can attract both who want to ship Steven x Connie and people who want them to just be friends.

      So true. Tho romanticism is not quite romance so much as a complicated concept in art revival. But still totally agree

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    • Racy 2 wrote:
      How long are you gonna keep this up, damn like seriously

      I have my own ways, just wait and see ;)

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    • Poorle wrote:
      I think the current status of Steven and Connies relationship can be classify as a romantic friendship. They don't really have any sexual attraction towards each other, but yet they still do some activities that can be perceive as romantic. 

      Now how romantic is this exactly I do not know, but it's definitely not as clear cut as it seems to be. I still very much like how it is right now though, just them being friends, having them being goofy as hell and having some romanticism is appealing to everyone. It's probally intentionally like this so it can attract both who want to ship Steven x Connie and people who want them to just be friends.

      I totally agree.

      With that, and because of that, it splitted the fandom to half: those who believes that it's romance, and those who believes otherwise. Which is basically what is being settled in this discussion.

      And it also brought up some beliefs that Steven and Connie's relationship IS already romantic, in a not-so-traditional way, in a unique way. And not to mention those who believes that Steven and Connie are already boyfriend-girlfriend, which I hope just a conspiracy. Although this discussion is about the romantic feelings or atleast existence of romance, not their relationship as a whole


      PS that's what I urged to say throughout this whole discussion, you've said it better

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    • Aww, why this gotta be the finale. This discussion helps me get through the hiatus.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Poorle wrote:
      I think the current status of Steven and Connies relationship can be classify as a romantic friendship. They don't really have any sexual attraction towards each other, but yet they still do some activities that can be perceive as romantic. 

      Now how romantic is this exactly I do not know, but it's definitely not as clear cut as it seems to be. I still very much like how it is right now though, just them being friends, having them being goofy as hell and having some romanticism is appealing to everyone. It's probally intentionally like this so it can attract both who want to ship Steven x Connie and people who want them to just be friends.

      I totally agree.

      With that, and because of that, it splitted the fandom to half: those who believes that it's romance, and those who believes otherwise. Which is basically what is being settled in this discussion.

      And it also brought up some beliefs that Steven and Connie's relationship IS already romantic, in a not-so-traditional way, in a unique way. And not to mention those who believes that Steven and Connie are already boyfriend-girlfriend, which I hope just a conspiracy. Although this discussion is about the romantic feelings or atleast existence of romance, not their relationship as a whole


      PS that's what I urged to say throughout this whole discussion, you've said it better

      Hehe, you siad split in half. This is extremely less balanced, more like four to one.

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    • Steven and Connie's relationship looks like a brother-sister relationship in my eyes.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Hehe, you siad split in half. This is extremely less balanced, more like four to one.

      What's the four? what's the one?

      Steven and Connie, surprisingly, is the most shipped couple, based on several polls, especially after episodes An Indirect Kiss, Alone Together, and Steven's Birthday. Here's one of those polls. (RubyxSapphire ranked second)

      Within it, Many believe that they atleast have mutual crush and that they'll be together when they're older. Some believe that they are already boyfriend-girlfriend. Some already considered their ship as canon, thus feeling obligated to ship it.

      Only Few believe that there's no romance within them whatsover, some cuz of ship hate (from rival ships like Stevidot and Lapiven), and some like you, who never saw nor feel the existence of romance within them.


      You may never saw nor felt it perhaps since it's still a small spark. Just wait and see. Love takes time, love takes work. But in that love, there's always be a foundation.


      The romance within them, it's a development, existing from a small spark. Everytime the show touch down to their romantic undertones, that spark heats up, and in the future, a sight to behold, that spark will turn into a fire, it'll blossom into romance.


      My view on the fandom is based on my simple observation and some statistics as I trek the rocky mountains of the Steven Universe fandom.

      PS I supposed to post a full analysis on the SU fandom around the StevenxConnie shipping, from Bubble Buddies, instead, it turned out into this.

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    • Robyn Grayson wrote:
      Steven and Connie's relationship looks like a brother-sister relationship in my eyes.

      It's easy to say like that. Their relationship may look like a brother-sister relationship since it's actually quite common within friendships. Sibling relationships and friendships parallels at times.


      Also, we're talking about the existence of romantic feelings within them, not just their relationship as a whole.

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    • GoldyDragon wrote:
      Aww, why this gotta be the finale. This discussion helps me get through the hiatus.

      Same (this discussion helped me got through the previous hiatus)

      Finale because we can't just argue the same topic forever. I already got the ending planned, but I haven't finished writing them so it may take a while...

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    • Oh, okie.

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    • Yup. The ending should go well

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    • Well... they could be dating under our noses, who knows?

      Though it's mostly just some YouTube conspiracy.

      Also, this was disproven by Zach. But he's a VA, he might not know what are in the minds of the writers and the creator. Heck yeah, the writers might've already had planned that the character he portray will have some cheesy romantic moments with Connie (of course) beyond his knowledge.

      Although, he could be referring to at that time. Even Estelle already had an opinion that Steven and Connie will be together, which perhaps because it's pretty obvious or a future episode actually hold this fact.


      Despite of all I've said, I still believe that they haven't confessed nor even realized their existent feelings for each other, yet. But if they really do, just crushes.

      Because, if a future episode reveals that they've been secretly dating, it wouldn't be much surprising and shocking at the same time, cuz, well, they're just kids!

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    • Actually, in Steven's Birthday, there were atleast two moments that are obviously literally straight out from love stories.

      By two moments, these moments.

      Romance in those romantic-ish moments were signified by blushing, that heart-shaped cloud, supportive moms... oh not to mention RubyxSapphire moment parallels.

      And in that second one, that very moment, it felt like that Connie will confess her feelings (in an expressive way) or just like what Sapphire did, adding up to RxS parallels. But thanks to the moment killer, Steven's age powers, they scooted back to their "just friends" status quo.

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    • First of all, STEVONNIE IS OTP (& a fusion)

      Second, I've been reading every thread so far, and I still don't agree with Aptos's logic (Sorry Ap. Can I call you Ap?) Here's my evidence to which Steven and Connie have romantic feelings:

      -In "Bubble Buddies", Steven repeats to him self, "Hi, my name is Steven" in order to practice talking to Connie. It is a common trope in TV shows that a nervous man will repeat to himself to practice talking to a woman, mostly before a date.~

      -In "Steven's Birthday", Steven complains that he will become "1st Boy" when Connie becomes president. This not only implies he wants Connie to bcome president, but also to marry Connie. And I don't think that she would adopt Steven, even if Greg was dead, because the CG would still take care of him; Also, no one remembers Tad Lincoln as '1st Boy', now do they?~

      -In "Indirect Kiss", Connie obviously wasn't observing Steven's face. Not even the nerdiest of Human Anatologists do that in a moment like that. And even if she did, why did she CLOSE HER EYES and START BLUSHING? I was either 12 or 11 when I watched that, and I still recognized it as such.~ (Don't block me, I'm THIRTEEN now, don't worry.)

      -In "Open Book", Steven tries to remake A WHOLE BOOK just for Connie, just so he could be friends with her still. Also, Cloud Connie said "I know you like her, and I know you want her to like you!"~

      -In "Full Disclosure", Steven tries to ignore Connie and even tries to stop being her friend, all to protect her. He then cries that he still wants to be her friend, because he didn't want her to be alone again.

      -In "Alone Together", Steven and Connie fuse, and Garnet loves it (Ruby & Sapphire ship Stevonnie confirmed). Steven & Connie wish the other was there, even though they technically were there.

      And that's my info on Stevonnie. (I know I'm a Stevidot shipper, but I ship both the same)~

      I-Ship-Stevidot (talk) 14:13, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: First of all, STEVONNIE IS OTP (& a fusion)

      Second, I've been reading every thread so far, and I still don't agree with Aptos's logic (Sorry Ap. Can I call you Ap?) Here's my evidence to which Steven and Connie have romantic feelings:

      -In "Bubble Buddies", Steven repeats to him self, "Hi, my name is Steven" in order to practice talking to Connie. It is a common trope in TV shows that a nervous man will repeat to himself to practice talking to a woman, mostly before a date.~

      -In "Steven's Birthday", Steven complains that he will become "1st Boy" when Connie becomes president. This not only implies he wants Connie to bcome president, but also to marry Connie. And I don't think that she would adopt Steven, even if Greg was dead, because the CG would still take care of him; Also, no one remembers Tad Lincoln as '1st Boy', now do they?~

      -In "Indirect Kiss", Connie obviously wasn't observing Steven's face. Not even the nerdiest of Human Anatologists do that in a moment like that. And even if she did, why did she CLOSE HER EYES and START BLUSHING? I was either 12 or 11 when I watched that, and I still recognized it as such.~ (Don't block me, I'm THIRTEEN now, don't worry.)

      -In "Open Book", Steven tries to remake A WHOLE BOOK just for Connie, just so he could be friends with her still. Also, Cloud Connie said "I know you like her, and I know you want her to like you!"~

      -In "Full Disclosure", Steven tries to ignore Connie and even tries to stop being her friend, all to protect her. He then cries that he still wants to be her friend, because he didn't want her to be alone again.

      -In "Alone Together", Steven and Connie fuse, and Garnet loves it (Ruby & Sapphire ship Stevonnie confirmed). Steven & Connie wish the other was there, even though they technically were there.

      And that's my info on Stevonnie. (I know I'm a Stevidot shipper, but I ship both the same)~

      I-Ship-Stevidot (talk) 14:13, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

      Hello! Welcome to the debate!

      It is also frequent when one is nervous about anything to prepare, such as meeting a new friend. And even if it was the case, it wouldn't be love, because no love at first sight(Garnet)

      Well, would you suppose that in the future he was imagining the country allowed an eight year old to be married to the president? Which seems more far-fetched: pretending to be part of their family to spend time together, or the U.S. President being married to an eight year old? Both are pretty ridiculous, but only one might hurt the campaign...

      They weren't observing the face, they were drawing closer to build up emotional tension for her catharsis. As for blushing, she was embarassed of how she acted, but is pushing past that as she realizes she appreciates steven as a person. Big moment.

      I would remake a book for my friends. I frequently do so, writing tiny sequels to better add to the sense of closure. As for the I know you like her bit, the sample of self-concious people I asked agreed that they want want their friends to like them but dont understand why they would, and that they like their friends a lot, but as friends. Perfectly legitimate.

      That could just as much be used for close friendship.

      I do that with my friends when I go to parties alone, and stevonnie was doubly alone, doubly wanting their friend to be there. As for love fusion, friendship love is love.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: Actually, in Steven's Birthday, there were atleast two moments that are obviously literally straight out from love stories.

      By two moments, these moments.

      Romance in those romantic-ish moments were signified by blushing, that heart-shaped cloud, supportive moms... oh not to mention RubyxSapphire moment parallels.

      And in that second one, that very moment, it felt like that Connie will confess her feelings (in an expressive way) or just like what Sapphire did, adding up to RxS parallels. But thanks to the moment killer, Steven's age powers, they scooted back to their "just friends" status quo.

      Or they could have been going further into their relationship as friends. Not every time they move deeper forces them to become romantic.

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    • This show has lots of anime influence. Blushing is the most common and proven hint at romance in anime. In basically all cartoons about love, a boy and a girl don't blush that much around each other just because they're friends. Why do you think this show is different? That is unprecedented. All of the blushing is proof enough. Steven isn't shy, he doesn't have any problem talking to new people. Especially new alien threats like Peridot. Peridot was way more "enigmatic" than Connie, yet he wanted to meet her and befriend her since she first showed up and even after she proved to be a threat. Steven was different around Connie because he romantically likes her, Connie has every reason to like Connie and the evidence is there too. The plot is throwing their romance in our face in the not so subtle, awkward way that two kids who like each other would experience it. They love each other, and have every reason to. Connie was willing to throw away her life for Steven, and then Sworn to Sword was a complete parallel from Stevonnie and Rose and Pearl. Cloud Connie was evidence too. Connie was about to kiss Steven in indirect kiss. In We Need To Talk Steven was mesmerized by her overly romanticized (in that dancing scene) beauty and the blushing started again. They weren't nervous until their eyes met and they started smiling and blushing. It's romance. Could it be a friendship? Sure. Currently, it is, but that's because there has been no confession and they don't know what to do with those emotions.

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    • I for one, would like it if a popular show had an overweight half alien kid with nappy hair who has an interacial relationship with a nerdy, yet outspoken and charsimatic girl of indian descent. Wouldn't you all? Aptos, wouldn't you appreciate that as well?

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    • Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: First of all, STEVONNIE IS OTP (& a fusion)

      Second, I've been reading every thread so far, and I still don't agree with Aptos's logic (Sorry Ap. Can I call you Ap?) Here's my evidence to which Steven and Connie have romantic feelings:

      -In "Bubble Buddies", Steven repeats to him self, "Hi, my name is Steven" in order to practice talking to Connie. It is a common trope in TV shows that a nervous man will repeat to himself to practice talking to a woman, mostly before a date.~

      -In "Steven's Birthday", Steven complains that he will become "1st Boy" when Connie becomes president. This not only implies he wants Connie to bcome president, but also to marry Connie. And I don't think that she would adopt Steven, even if Greg was dead, because the CG would still take care of him; Also, no one remembers Tad Lincoln as '1st Boy', now do they?~

      -In "Indirect Kiss", Connie obviously wasn't observing Steven's face. Not even the nerdiest of Human Anatologists do that in a moment like that. And even if she did, why did she CLOSE HER EYES and START BLUSHING? I was either 12 or 11 when I watched that, and I still recognized it as such.~ (Don't block me, I'm THIRTEEN now, don't worry.)

      -In "Open Book", Steven tries to remake A WHOLE BOOK just for Connie, just so he could be friends with her still. Also, Cloud Connie said "I know you like her, and I know you want her to like you!"~

      -In "Full Disclosure", Steven tries to ignore Connie and even tries to stop being her friend, all to protect her. He then cries that he still wants to be her friend, because he didn't want her to be alone again.

      -In "Alone Together", Steven and Connie fuse, and Garnet loves it (Ruby & Sapphire ship Stevonnie confirmed). Steven & Connie wish the other was there, even though they technically were there.

      And that's my info on Stevonnie. (I know I'm a Stevidot shipper, but I ship both the same)~

      I-Ship-Stevidot (talk) 14:13, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

      Hello! Welcome to the debate!

      It is also frequent when one is nervous about anything to prepare, such as meeting a new friend. And even if it was the case, it wouldn't be love, because no love at first sight(Garnet)

      Well, would you suppose that in the future he was imagining the country allowed an eight year old to be married to the president? Which seems more far-fetched: pretending to be part of their family to spend time together, or the U.S. President being married to an eight year old? Both are pretty ridiculous, but only one might hurt the campaign...

      They weren't observing the face, they were drawing closer to build up emotional tension for her catharsis. As for blushing, she was embarassed of how she acted, but is pushing past that as she realizes she appreciates steven as a person. Big moment.

      I would remake a book for my friends. I frequently do so, writing tiny sequels to better add to the sense of closure. As for the I know you like her bit, the sample of self-concious people I asked agreed that they want want their friends to like them but dont understand why they would, and that they like their friends a lot, but as friends. Perfectly legitimate.

      That could just as much be used for close friendship.

      I do that with my friends when I go to parties alone, and stevonnie was doubly alone, doubly wanting their friend to be there. As for love fusion, friendship love is love.

      Thank you for noticing! (Also, you didn't answer my question. CAN I CALL YOU AAAAAAPPPPP?!?!?!?!?QD11111KJDSS!!/)

      1st. I just said it was a common trope. No 'love at 1st sight' here. Just something I call foreshadowing.~

      2nd. Unless Connie is a pedophile (Hebephile? I dunno), the marrying an 8 year old child seems more Pokemon #83 (see what I did there?). However, by his statement, it is implied that not only does he want Connie to become president, but also that he wants to marry her when/before she does, not that he wants her to adopt him, espcially since he was planning to be a man by then, and the CG could live forever. And if he wanted Connie to adopt him, that mans he expects his dad/the CG to be dead (Homicidal Steven confirmed!!111!! jk)  by then. And, once you get that he expected to be a man by then, adoption would be... strange.~? (My tilde is confused now)

      3rd. Firstly, who do you mean "they"? I wasn't talking about Steven backing up, or are you talking about the hypothetical Human Anatologists? Secondly, Just to let you know, catharsis means "the process of releasing, and thereby providing relief from, strong or repressed emotions." You could argue, then, that Steven was the one doing the catharsis, talking about his experience. And what emotions would she have released, if she was looking at his face, and closing her eyes? The unconcious love kind, of course.~

      4th. Firstly, I want on now, thanks alot ;). Also, I must've misread myself. I meant he LITERALLY CREATED A NEW VERSION OF A BOOK SERIES JUST FOR HER! He recreated EVERY SCENE IN REAL LIFE! Sorry, I got crazy there :P. Anyway, he did it all so Connie can have her own version of the book, feel like her, and so she would stay his friend. Also, she should already know by now Steven likes her as a friend. 

      5th. Except they weren't technically 'alone'. Steven was with Connie and vice versa, but they wantd to be together, and just that, physically separated. Also, notice how Steven and Connie dosen't say he wants to play with anyone else. Not their parents, not the CG, not Steven's other friends (Remember, in Full Disclosure, Connie states she has no other friends, and that was in Season 2), which may imply they want to play with eachother, and no one else (I am NOT implying they wanted to do, you know, 'that'. I may ship Stevidot, Stapis, and Blue Pearlven, but I am NOT messed up)

      Dear Diamond, I'm turning into Perlen. (Also, is it weird that when I read Aptos's posts, I read them in a British accent?)

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    • Nearhza wrote: I for one, would like it if a popular show had an overweight half alien kid with nappy hair who has an interacial relationship with a nerdy, yet outspoken and charsimatic girl of indian descent. Wouldn't you all? Aptos, wouldn't you appreciate that as well?

      Oh sure I would enjoy it. Unfortunately, I don't feel like that is the direction the canon is leading towards

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    • Nearhza wrote:
      This show has lots of anime influence. Blushing is the most common and proven hint at romance in anime. In basically all cartoons about love, a boy and a girl don't blush that much around each other just because they're friends. Why do you think this show is different? That is unprecedented. All of the blushing is proof enough. 

      Blushing isn't really definite proof that their in love. In anime they use blushing alot for embarrassment or some other extremely exaggerated emotion. Same goes for the show, they use it on almost every character and atleast one blush moment whenever Connie is in an episode. Here's a link to some of the ways anime uses it http://www.umich.edu/~anime/info_emotions.html

      Note: I shorten the quote out not because I want to strawman you, but because it was too long and  I only wanted to address your point about blushing being substantial proof of them being in love.

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    • For a second I thought this was a Roleplay... But, it wasn't.

      You guys seriously needed five threads with each of them having the limit of 500 posts on to find out whether or Steven and Connie are da best for eachother? That's like 2,000 posts..

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    • Poorle wrote:

      Nearhza wrote:
      This show has lots of anime influence. Blushing is the most common and proven hint at romance in anime. In basically all cartoons about love, a boy and a girl don't blush that much around each other just because they're friends. Why do you think this show is different? That is unprecedented. All of the blushing is proof enough. 

      Blushing isn't really definite proof that their in love. In anime they use blushing alot for embarrassment or some other extremely exaggerated emotion. Same goes for the show, they use it on almost every character and atleast one blush moment whenever Connie is in an episode. Here's a link to some of the ways anime uses it http://www.umich.edu/~anime/info_emotions.html

      Note: I shorten the quote out not because I want to strawman you, but because it was too long and  I only wanted to address your point about blushing being substantial proof of them being in love.

      I entirely agree.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: First of all, STEVONNIE IS OTP (& a fusion)

      Second, I've been reading every thread so far, and I still don't agree with Aptos's logic (Sorry Ap. Can I call you Ap?) Here's my evidence to which Steven and Connie have romantic feelings:

      -In "Bubble Buddies", Steven repeats to him self, "Hi, my name is Steven" in order to practice talking to Connie. It is a common trope in TV shows that a nervous man will repeat to himself to practice talking to a woman, mostly before a date.~

      -In "Steven's Birthday", Steven complains that he will become "1st Boy" when Connie becomes president. This not only implies he wants Connie to bcome president, but also to marry Connie. And I don't think that she would adopt Steven, even if Greg was dead, because the CG would still take care of him; Also, no one remembers Tad Lincoln as '1st Boy', now do they?~

      -In "Indirect Kiss", Connie obviously wasn't observing Steven's face. Not even the nerdiest of Human Anatologists do that in a moment like that. And even if she did, why did she CLOSE HER EYES and START BLUSHING? I was either 12 or 11 when I watched that, and I still recognized it as such.~ (Don't block me, I'm THIRTEEN now, don't worry.)

      -In "Open Book", Steven tries to remake A WHOLE BOOK just for Connie, just so he could be friends with her still. Also, Cloud Connie said "I know you like her, and I know you want her to like you!"~

      -In "Full Disclosure", Steven tries to ignore Connie and even tries to stop being her friend, all to protect her. He then cries that he still wants to be her friend, because he didn't want her to be alone again.

      -In "Alone Together", Steven and Connie fuse, and Garnet loves it (Ruby & Sapphire ship Stevonnie confirmed). Steven & Connie wish the other was there, even though they technically were there.

      And that's my info on Stevonnie. (I know I'm a Stevidot shipper, but I ship both the same)~

      I-Ship-Stevidot (talk) 14:13, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

      Hello! Welcome to the debate!

      It is also frequent when one is nervous about anything to prepare, such as meeting a new friend. And even if it was the case, it wouldn't be love, because no love at first sight(Garnet)

      Well, would you suppose that in the future he was imagining the country allowed an eight year old to be married to the president? Which seems more far-fetched: pretending to be part of their family to spend time together, or the U.S. President being married to an eight year old? Both are pretty ridiculous, but only one might hurt the campaign...

      They weren't observing the face, they were drawing closer to build up emotional tension for her catharsis. As for blushing, she was embarassed of how she acted, but is pushing past that as she realizes she appreciates steven as a person. Big moment.

      I would remake a book for my friends. I frequently do so, writing tiny sequels to better add to the sense of closure. As for the I know you like her bit, the sample of self-concious people I asked agreed that they want want their friends to like them but dont understand why they would, and that they like their friends a lot, but as friends. Perfectly legitimate.

      That could just as much be used for close friendship.

      I do that with my friends when I go to parties alone, and stevonnie was doubly alone, doubly wanting their friend to be there. As for love fusion, friendship love is love.

      Thank you for noticing! (Also, you didn't answer my question. CAN I CALL YOU AAAAAAPPPPP?!?!?!?!?QD11111KJDSS!!/)

      1st. I just said it was a common trope. No 'love at 1st sight' here. Just something I call foreshadowing.~

      2nd. Unless Connie is a pedophile (Hebephile? I dunno), the marrying an 8 year old child seems more Pokemon #83 (see what I did there?). However, by his statement, it is implied that not only does he want Connie to become president, but also that he wants to marry her when/before she does, not that he wants her to adopt him, espcially since he was planning to be a man by then, and the CG could live forever. And if he wanted Connie to adopt him, that mans he expects his dad/the CG to be dead (Homicidal Steven confirmed!!111!! jk)  by then. And, once you get that he expected to be a man by then, adoption would be... strange.~? (My tilde is confused now)

      3rd. Firstly, who do you mean "they"? I wasn't talking about Steven backing up, or are you talking about the hypothetical Human Anatologists? Secondly, Just to let you know, catharsis means "the process of releasing, and thereby providing relief from, strong or repressed emotions." You could argue, then, that Steven was the one doing the catharsis, talking about his experience. And what emotions would she have released, if she was looking at his face, and closing her eyes? The unconcious love kind, of course.~

      4th. Firstly, I want on now, thanks alot ;). Also, I must've misread myself. I meant he LITERALLY CREATED A NEW VERSION OF A BOOK SERIES JUST FOR HER! He recreated EVERY SCENE IN REAL LIFE! Sorry, I got crazy there :P. Anyway, he did it all so Connie can have her own version of the book, feel like her, and so she would stay his friend. Also, she should already know by now Steven likes her as a friend. 

      5th. Except they weren't technically 'alone'. Steven was with Connie and vice versa, but they wantd to be together, and just that, physically separated. Also, notice how Steven and Connie dosen't say he wants to play with anyone else. Not their parents, not the CG, not Steven's other friends (Remember, in Full Disclosure, Connie states she has no other friends, and that was in Season 2), which may imply they want to play with eachother, and no one else (I am NOT implying they wanted to do, you know, 'that'. I may ship Stevidot, Stapis, and Blue Pearlven, but I am NOT messed up)

      Dear Diamond, I'm turning into Perlen. (Also, is it weird that when I read Aptos's posts, I read them in a British accent?)

      I don't mind being called Ap or presumed british.

      It could be foreshadowing, it could be early character experimentation, expecting one hting, but finding something different, something.... Unique. Something that breaks through the barrier of tropes, and defies expectations. Isn't that what coming of age is all about?

      He was referring to what he would be called in the future if he was still a kid. So him being married to connie in the hypothetical would be pedophilic. The campaigns would fail, and he might not of thought of that, but that would prevent presidency. So if he did like her, he would need an excuse that would break through the paparazzi, so either dating or platonic pretending to be adopted saves their relationship.

      Connie was the they that was getting closer. And the catharsis i was referring to was "extreme change in emotion", referring to connie. She was realizing she was liking him, not magic, which is a major catharsis.

      I would do that too if I had access to that in real life. As for my life, I can only make a story and have an artist friend illustrate it. It's not abnormal to want to do that for friends, it is abnormal to have a room that does that. As for the stevonnie situation, connie likes him, but steven would want to feel like she likes him and not just tolerates. It is a self conciousness struggle, and the struggle is real.

      They want to play with each other. Theyre friends, its natural. Them being fused made that weird. Awesome, amazing, but weird and somewhat awkward. As for "that" dont worry, no one is going to assume that here.

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    • Nearhza wrote: This show has lots of anime influence. Blushing is the most common and proven hint at romance in anime. In basically all cartoons about love, a boy and a girl don't blush that much around each other just because they're friends. Why do you think this show is different? That is unprecedented. All of the blushing is proof enough. Steven isn't shy, he doesn't have any problem talking to new people. Especially new alien threats like Peridot. Peridot was way more "enigmatic" than Connie, yet he wanted to meet her and befriend her since she first showed up and even after she proved to be a threat. Steven was different around Connie because he romantically likes her, Connie has every reason to like Connie and the evidence is there too. The plot is throwing their romance in our face in the not so subtle, awkward way that two kids who like each other would experience it. They love each other, and have every reason to. Connie was willing to throw away her life for Steven, and then Sworn to Sword was a complete parallel from Stevonnie and Rose and Pearl. Cloud Connie was evidence too. Connie was about to kiss Steven in indirect kiss. In We Need To Talk Steven was mesmerized by her overly romanticized (in that dancing scene) beauty and the blushing started again. They weren't nervous until their eyes met and they started smiling and blushing. It's romance. Could it be a friendship? Sure. Currently, it is, but that's because there has been no confession and they don't know what to do with those emotions.

      Or this show could be different because their relationship is not what it might seem at first. We all want it to be something, and the show turns it into something we didnt want, but may like better. We expected the two to become romantic, we got friends(in my perspective). We expected the crystal gems to be the clean cut good guys, then we get some internal conflicts. We expected action, we get internal adventures. It is good because it is not that expectation. As for blushing, someone above showed it does not have to be romantic

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    • I didn't say just blushing...I contexualized the blushing and said THAT's proof enough.

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    • Nearhza wrote: I didn't say just blushing...I contexualized the blushing and said THAT's proof enough.

      Yea, and someone else showed the use of blushing can be validated by multiple alternatives, all of which prevent it being "proof" of anything beyond a mild circumstantial level.

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    • circumstantial evidence is no less valid.

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    • Nearhza wrote: circumstantial evidence is no less valid.

      Of course it is. Direct evidence states something. Circumstantial evidence adds support to a statement. You can say that it can support it, but it doesn't prove I am wrong if I can justify the evidence working for me. Which I can. So it proves nothing.

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    • Directly looking at the scenes I referred in context, you are within the minority of people who interpret their relationship as platonic. Although they are friends, when they are confirmed romantic, the Crewniverse will be asked foreshadowed hints about their romance in previous episodes just like they are with everything that they reveal. They will point to these "circumstances" that I and the majority are trying to show you as well as the future evidence. 

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    • Nearhza wrote: Directly looking at the scenes I referred in context, you are within the minority of people who interpret their relationship as platonic. Although they are friends, when they are confirmed romantic, the Crewniverse will be asked foreshadowed hints about their romance in previous episodes just like they are with everything that they reveal. They will point to these "circumstances" that I and the majority are trying to show you as well as the future evidence. 

      Yes, because the circumstantial evidence will be supporting the direct evidence. Unfortunately, we do not know if they will be romantic though, so we may never find out if that is what they do.

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    • Nearhza wrote:
      Directly looking at the scenes I referred in context, you are within the minority of people who interpret their relationship as platonic. Although they are friends, when they are confirmed romantic, the Crewniverse will be asked foreshadowed hints about their romance in previous episodes just like they are with everything that they reveal. They will point to these "circumstances" that I and the majority are trying to show you as well as the future evidence. 

      Just because everyone believes it's true doesn't make it true. That's just appealing to popularity, which is a fallacy.

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    • I am willing to say that they could stay friends, but are you both willing to concede that what Perlen, the majority, and I are saying could also be reasonably true?

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    • Nearhza wrote: I am willing to say that they could stay friends, but are you both willing to concede that what Perlen, the majority, and I are saying could also be reasonably true?

      Well of course. I am not crazy enough to think that you couldn't be right. There is plenty of valid supports as a foundation to build a relationship, and one can easily form a theory on there romantic feelings that would be confirmed in show. Unfortunately, they have not yet, so we dont know.

      As for appealing to popularity, my papas waltz is a good example of the fallacy.

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    • Nearhza wrote:
      I am willing to say that they could stay friends, but are you both willing to concede that what Perlen, the majority, and I are saying could also be reasonably true?

      I believe it's both. They're both friends and to some degree romantically in love. 

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    • Right but this isn't complicated. This is, do these two dancing, blushing, super close, kids (boy and girl) who spend all this time together in a show about love and togetherness look like they might have some romance between them? If most people say, hell yea, in this instance, it's not really a fallacy at all because there is substantiative reasoning.

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    • No blushing does not automatically equal romance. Of course not, but in the way it's contexualized in this story, it almost screams romance. Context context context. Respond to each point

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    • Nearhza wrote: Right but this isn't complicated. This is, do these two dancing, blushing, super close, kids (boy and girl) who spend all this time together in a show about love and togetherness look like they might have some romance between them? If most people say, hell yea, in this instance, it's not really a fallacy at all because their is substantiative reasoning.

      It is a fallacy to say it must be right because of that. And thus I voiced my perspective here to show it isn't necessarily the case. As for the show, it isn't about love primarily, it is primarily a coming of age story.

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    • Nearhza wrote: No blushing does not automatically equal romance. Of course not, but in the way it's contexualized in this story, it almost screams romance. Context context context. Respond to each point

      Each point? Do you mean each example? Because if you give me an example I will take the context and context context context a platonic reasoning.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Nearhza wrote: Right but this isn't complicated. This is, do these two dancing, blushing, super close, kids (boy and girl) who spend all this time together in a show about love and togetherness look like they might have some romance between them? If most people say, hell yea, in this instance, it's not really a fallacy at all because their is substantiative reasoning.

      It is a fallacy to say it must be right because of that. And thus I voiced my perspective here to show it isn't necessarily the case. As for the show, it isn't about love primarily, it is primarily a coming of age story.

      Rebecca has literally stated this show is about love. I mean, it's a loving tribute to show how much she loves her brother. Love is all over this story. Love is the reason behind soooo much in this story. It's a story about love. Still, respond to each point.

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    • Nearhza wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Nearhza wrote: Right but this isn't complicated. This is, do these two dancing, blushing, super close, kids (boy and girl) who spend all this time together in a show about love and togetherness look like they might have some romance between them? If most people say, hell yea, in this instance, it's not really a fallacy at all because their is substantiative reasoning.

      It is a fallacy to say it must be right because of that. And thus I voiced my perspective here to show it isn't necessarily the case. As for the show, it isn't about love primarily, it is primarily a coming of age story.

      Rebecca has literally stated this show is about love. I mean, it's a loving tribute to show how much she loves her brother. Love is all over this story. Love is the reason behind soooo much in this story. It's a story about love. Still, respond to each point.

      And I may repeat, what do you mean by that? Do you mean each example?

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    • "Connie was willing to throw away her life for Steven, and then Sworn to Sword was a complete parallel from Stevonnie and Rose and Pearl. Cloud Connie was evidence too. Connie was about to kiss Steven in indirect kiss. In We Need To Talk Steven was mesmerized by her overly romanticized (in that dancing scene) beauty and the blushing started again. They weren't nervous until their eyes met and they started smiling and blushing. It's romance. Could it be a friendship? Sure. Currently, it is, but that's because there has been no confession and they don't know what to do with those emotions."

      Ok then. Connie throwing her life away or whatever could simply be sacrificial phileo, or friendship love. The parallel not only shows similarities, but important differences. What about cloud connie? Connie might not have been, she could have been moving closer to build emotional tension for the catharsis. Steven could have simply been having fun, he wasn't necessary beguiled. When they met eyes, they realized situation context, and got the blushing aimilar to even friends in such a situation. As for the emotions, steven has no sense of privacy, and recognizes love, he knows what to do.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: First of all, STEVONNIE IS OTP (& a fusion)

      Second, I've been reading every thread so far, and I still don't agree with Aptos's logic (Sorry Ap. Can I call you Ap?) Here's my evidence to which Steven and Connie have romantic feelings:

      -In "Bubble Buddies", Steven repeats to him self, "Hi, my name is Steven" in order to practice talking to Connie. It is a common trope in TV shows that a nervous man will repeat to himself to practice talking to a woman, mostly before a date.~

      -In "Steven's Birthday", Steven complains that he will become "1st Boy" when Connie becomes president. This not only implies he wants Connie to bcome president, but also to marry Connie. And I don't think that she would adopt Steven, even if Greg was dead, because the CG would still take care of him; Also, no one remembers Tad Lincoln as '1st Boy', now do they?~

      -In "Indirect Kiss", Connie obviously wasn't observing Steven's face. Not even the nerdiest of Human Anatologists do that in a moment like that. And even if she did, why did she CLOSE HER EYES and START BLUSHING? I was either 12 or 11 when I watched that, and I still recognized it as such.~ (Don't block me, I'm THIRTEEN now, don't worry.)

      -In "Open Book", Steven tries to remake A WHOLE BOOK just for Connie, just so he could be friends with her still. Also, Cloud Connie said "I know you like her, and I know you want her to like you!"~

      -In "Full Disclosure", Steven tries to ignore Connie and even tries to stop being her friend, all to protect her. He then cries that he still wants to be her friend, because he didn't want her to be alone again.

      -In "Alone Together", Steven and Connie fuse, and Garnet loves it (Ruby & Sapphire ship Stevonnie confirmed). Steven & Connie wish the other was there, even though they technically were there.

      And that's my info on Stevonnie. (I know I'm a Stevidot shipper, but I ship both the same)~

      I-Ship-Stevidot (talk) 14:13, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

      Hello! Welcome to the debate!

      It is also frequent when one is nervous about anything to prepare, such as meeting a new friend. And even if it was the case, it wouldn't be love, because no love at first sight(Garnet)

      Well, would you suppose that in the future he was imagining the country allowed an eight year old to be married to U.S. President being married to an eight year old? Both are pretty ridiculous, but only one might hurt the campaign...

      They weren't observing the face, they were drawing closer to build up emotional tension for her catharsis. As for blushing, she was embarassed of how she acted, but is pushing past that as she realizes she appreciates steven as a person. Big moment.

      I would remake a book for my friends. I frequently do so, writing tiny sequels to better add to the sense of closure. As for the I know you like her bit, the sample of self-concious people I asked agreed that they want want their friends to like them but dont understand why they would, and that they like their friends a lot, but as friends. Perfectly legitimate.

      That could just as much be used for close friendship.

      I do that with my friends when I go to parties alone, and stevonnie was doubly alone, doubly wanting their friend to be there. As for love fusion, friendship love is love.

      Thank you for noticing! (Also, you didn't answer my question. CAN I CALL YOU AAAAAAPPPPP?!?!?!?!?QD11111KJDSS!!/)

      1st. I just said it was a common trope. No 'love at 1st sight' here. Just something I call foreshadowing.~

      2nd. Unless Connie is a pedophile (Hebephile? I dunno), the marrying an 8 year old child seems more Pokemon #83 (see what I did there?). However, by his statement, it is implied that not only does he want Connie to become president, but also that he wants to marry her when/before she does, not that he wants her to adopt him, espcially since he was planning to be a man by then, and the CG could live forever. And if he wanted Connie to adopt him, that mans he expects his dad/the CG to be dead (Homicidal Steven confirmed!!111!! jk)  by then. And, once you get that he expected to be a man by then, adoption would be... strange.~? (My tilde is confused now)

      3rd. Firstly, who do you mean "they"? I wasn't talking about Steven backing up, or are you talking about the hypothetical Human Anatologists? Secondly, Just to let you know, catharsis means "the process of releasing, and thereby providing relief from, strong or repressed emotions." You could argue, then, that Steven was the one doing the catharsis, talking about his experience. And what emotions would she have released, if she was looking at his face, and closing her eyes? The unconcious love kind, of course.~

      4th. Firstly, I want on now, thanks alot ;). Also, I must've misread myself. I meant he LITERALLY CREATED A NEW VERSION OF A BOOK SERIES JUST FOR HER! He recreated EVERY SCENE IN REAL LIFE! Sorry, I got crazy there :P. Anyway, he did it all so Connie can have her own version of the book, feel like her, and so she would stay his friend. Also, she should already know by now Steven likes her as a friend. 

      5th. Except they weren't technically 'alone'. Steven was with Connie and vice versa, but they wantd to be together, and just that, physically separated. Also, notice how Steven and Connie dosen't say he wants to play with anyone else. Not their parents, not the CG, not Steven's other friends (Remember, in Full Disclosure, Connie states she has no other friends, and that was in Season 2), which may imply they want to play with eachother, and no one else (I am NOT implying they wanted to do, you know, 'that'. I may ship Stevidot, Stapis, and Blue Pearlven, but I am NOT messed up)

      Dear Diamond, I'm turning into Perlen. (Also, is it weird that when I read Aptos's posts, I read them in a British accent?)

      I don't mind being called Ap or presumed british.

      It could be foreshadowing, it could be early character experimentation, expecting one thing, but finding something different, something.... Unique. Something that breaks through the barrier of tropes, and defies expectations. Isn't that what coming of age is all about?

      He was referring to what he would be called in the future if he was still a kid. So him being married to connie in the hypothetical would be pedophilic. The campaigns would fail, and he might not of thought of that, but that would prevent presidency. So if he did like her, he would need an excuse that would break through the paparazzi, so either dating or platonic pretending to be adopted saves their relationship.

      Connie was the they that was getting closer. And the catharsis i was referring to was "extreme change in emotion", referring to connie. She was realizing she was liking him, not magic, which is a major catharsis.

      I would do that too if I had access to that in real life. As for my life, I can only make a story and have an artist friend illustrate it. It's not abnormal to want to do that for friends, it is abnormal to have a room that does that. As for the stevonnie situation, connie likes him, but steven would want to feel like she likes him and not just tolerates. It is a self conciousness struggle, and the struggle is real.

      They want to play with each other. Theyre friends, its natural. Them being fused made that weird. Awesome, amazing, but weird and somewhat awkward. As for "that" dont worry, no one is going to assume that here.

      Thanks Ap. (Also, I added the last part because alot of people assume that if you ship something 'bad', you are a homophobic, abusive, incestuous, pedophillic/hebephillic person who shouldn't be respected and everything they write is about something bad.)

      1st. (You misspelled thing as hting, I fixed it) Yes, I do agree with you. He was expecting to become friends with her, but he got something else... a unconcious crush, perhaps?~ 

      2nd. You're missing the point of my comment. It's quite obvious, in my eyes, that he wanted to be Connie's husband before/while she is president. Of course, that would be changed if he WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD. Like you said, it would ruin the campaign AND scar any marriage he would have with Connie. Also, I don't think he cares for paparazzi.

      3rd. Why didn't you refer to her as she, then? Stevonnie recognizes as a they/them, not Connie. Anywho, she seemed to care alot for Steven, again, not love, since Bubble Buddies (She said "He was incredible!", not "The giant worm and the glowing seaweed magic was incredible!") so I don't see why she wouldn't recognize that she cared more for him than magic before. ("I want to be part of your universe")

      4th. Oh, Ap. Everybody wants Rose's Room. Anyways, Steven did something during his 'LARPing' that most kids his age and immaturity wouldn't do: he reenacted a wedding for her. Now, we have no evidence that he was going all the way through the kiss and beyond, but even so, most kids wouldn't have done it in the 1st place because of that. 

      5th. It is strange, however, that they wanted to play with each other and no one else. Sour Cream is a friend of Steven's, and yet Stevonnie didn't want to hang out with him. You could argue it was because he was acting weird, but then why didn't they go back to the CG to help them? It's obvious: they wanted to be with each other and no one else.

      Also, Estelle (The fusion of love's voice actor. The square one.) called their relationship a love between two children. (And it's Stronger Than You.)

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    • 1. He could have been expecting to start a relationship. Either way, he was either expecting a platonic friend, or got a platonic friend then.

      2. Or he wanted to dimply be with her as friends.

      3. They is a valid pronoun for every gender. They is neutral. She was associating him with magic and adventure, because he caused a giant worm to destroy a pier by runnning, and caused a giant bubble that wasn't destroyed by a roller coaster and harpoon. "He" was not so much incredible as "his magic". She associated the two, and continued to in the next episodes until the catharsis.

      4. Oh, who wouldn't? It's epic! I wish I had it..... But as for the wedding, they never actually even did a wedding, they decided against it.

      5. Why would stevonnie? They arent best friends, and connie hasnt spent much time. They wanted to be together, but as friends, but missed how it used to be.

      Estelle called it when?

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    • Because this wasn't numbered, I'm gonna put it here: Estelle talks about it in

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEOXaUBLbj0

      Though Rebecca calls it the pure love of kids, not Estelle, sorry. Estelle says something better: They're gonna be together. Also, I want a CG sweater now.

      1st. You contradicted yourself in that sentence. As you said, "No love at first sight(Garnet)" If he was expecting a relationship, then that stems from love at first sight.

      2nd. That typo tho. Also, that's contradictory all in itself: If Steven wanted to be friends, that contradicts your first statement, heck, it contradicts every statement you've made! (If Steven got the opposite of what he was expecting, that means he DID get a romantic relationship with Connie!~)

      3rd. Thanks for clarifying, I was just confused, since everyone refers to Connie as a she, and Stevonnie as a they, and I didn't talk about Stevonnie, so I thought you were talking about Steven and Connie, or the hypothetical Human Anatologists. Also

      4th. I mean, I GUESS, but Indirect Kiss was a mile long from Bubble Buddies. And in Lion 2: The Movie, which appeared before An Indirect Kiss, Connie wants to hang out with Steven to the movies, with the intent of bringing Steven, not magic! Plus, she says she wishes her life was magic like Steven's, so she knows (or thinks) that even with Steven, her life is not going to get 100% magical.

      5th. Like I said: EVERY. SANE. PERSON. WANTS IT. Also, STEVEN decided against it, because it was something they wanted to avoid (It DID get Connie mad). Connie wasn't there, and Cloud Connie asked Steven what HE wanted. 

      6th. I get it for Sour Cream, but still not the CG. She knows she can trust them, heck, she's trying to protect one and swordfight with another right as we speak!

      7th. I'm just glad you're not a troll. :)

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    • 1. you can expect a relationship without being in love.

      2. No, he could have expected a romantic relationship, but ended up wanting to be friends, but in situations that would seem to be romantic. Its not a contradiction, it is a change over time.

      3.yea, the pronoun thing is annoying.

      4. Really, because they wanted to sneak in candy, an adventure. He is something yet to be explored, and so his enigma is the adventure. And she wishes her life was magical, stating she wants it to be magical, and he is her link, which is what she wants.

      5. No, some people dislike getting what they want. They are weird, but not insane. And as for what steven wanted, he still didn't want to act out a wedding for the sake of a wedding, he wanted to act out a wedding to spend time together then. And yet, he didnt.

      6. Why would she want to go back to the CG, she was told to go out and have an experience! If the CG wanted to come, they would.

      7. Did you think I was a troll? I've been accused, but those people generally didn't actually read through what I said.

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    • Just going to put it out, I was NOT expecting you to be a troll, I did not mean anything by it. I am just glad that you don't start refuting my statements with stuff like: "B-BUT I DYNT BULIOBE IT! SO ISSA NOT CANNNNNON!!!!882:/_)$:!!!", or insults like "URV CURKK THY WUUD HATE YU YU GRUSS STEVIDT SHPR!!!2#$!" Instead, you use respectable arguments on the subject. Thank you for that.

      1st. I mean, if you're not going to put any love (kid love, remember, we're talking about kid love here) in a relationship, why want a relationship at all?~

      2nd. Sorry, I must've misread your previous post. I thought you meant he WANTED a normal relationship at FIRST, not during the time spent. By normal, I mean friendly, not that romantic or sexual relationships aren't normal.

      3rd. Can we at least use the same pronouns for them as they use for themselves?

      4th. Sneaking in candy is not really an 'adventure', per ce. I mean, it's exhilarating and worrying, but not adventurous. Also, if your friend had eyelids, while your own were cut off, and you said you wanted eyelids, would you use your friend as a direct source? (Okay, did I just compare magic to eyelids? :O)

      5th. I was kidding. I didn't mean it like that. Also, how do you refute that, but not when I said quite literally EVERYBODY wants a Rose Room? Anyways, still, Steven did it anyways, despite the social thoughts of kids his age and maturity (i.e., there is none)

      6th. To feel secure, that's why. If you're parents let you go to a party ON THEIR OWN WILL, and the party went bad, you would still go to your parents, wouldn't you? Also, Garnet said it, not the CG in general. In fact, Pearl was against it.

      Also, I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the video...

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: Just going to put it out, I was NOT expecting you to be a troll, I did not mean anything by it. I am just glad that you don't start refuting my statements with stuff like: "B-BUT I DYNT BULIOBE IT! SO ISSA NOT CANNNNNON!!!!882:/_)$:!!!", or insults like "URV CURKK THY WUUD HATE YU YU GRUSS STEVIDT SHPR!!!2#$!" Instead, you use respectable arguments on the subject. Thank you for that.

      1st. I mean, if you're not going to put any love (kid love, remember, we're talking about kid love here) in a relationship, why want a relationship at all?~

      2nd. Sorry, I must've misread your previous post. I thought you meant he WANTED a normal relationship at FIRST, not during the time spent. By normal, I mean friendly, not that romantic or sexual relationships aren't normal.

      3rd. Can we at least use the same pronouns for them as they use for themselves?

      4th. Sneaking in candy is not really an 'adventure', per ce. I mean, it's exhilarating and worrying, but not adventurous. Also, if your friend had eyelids, while your own were cut off, and you said you wanted eyelids, would you use your friend as a direct source? (Okay, did I just compare magic to eyelids? :O)

      5th. I was kidding. I didn't mean it like that. Also, how do you refute that, but not when I said quite literally EVERYBODY wants a Rose Room? Anyways, still, Steven did it anyways, despite the social thoughts of kids his age and maturity (i.e., there is none)

      6th. To feel secure, that's why. If you're parents let you go to a party ON THEIR OWN WILL, and the party went bad, you would still go to your parents, wouldn't you? Also, Garnet said it, not the CG in general. In fact, Pearl was against it.

      Also, I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the video...

      1. they could expect love to come over time.

      2. Sorry, i shouldve clarified.

      3. Technically they refers to all of them. Shouldn't they be able to be referred to as such?

      4. No, as in if you for your whole life wanted roses room, and you knew someone that had it, you would seriously want to spend time with them, because now you have access to roses room. Then, boom, you realize suddenly that you appreciate just being with them, not just enjoying the connection to the room.

      5. Cuz I didn't realize it then. At this point i am in refutation mode. Also, what did you mean by your statement? The latin confused me. I.e., i did not understand the context.

      6. The party was going fine, they were having an experience. But they thought it could be better.

      7. the video shows three unique opinions. But phileo is love that children can have, and being together as friends is a thing.

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      Aptos wrote:

      Or they could have been going further into their relationship as friends. Not every time they move deeper forces them to become romantic.

      Not forced, either tempted or willing. Actually, I expected you to say that for the longest time. (looks like we're transitioning to the finale, just like what I've planned)

      First off, why would the Crewniverse even bother hinting it? I know you will say that it's for audience appeal. But they can also be actually hints.

      They are in friendship by default, the romance is in the other side of the line, those moments blurs the lines of friendship as they lean to this boundary at the same time. Thus, making romance clearer and closer.

      It's all of our primary evidences along with supporting hints adding up. But I know you'll ask, how does that assure that they will totally go in that direction?

      Well, I have something to post that I've urged to post the longest time but I'd say let's save that for later...

      For now, we can't still say whether they are or aren't willing for it, since they're still young. But crushes are still there, of course.

      Those hints can either say that it's crushes, or unconscious romantic feelings, or both. If it's crushes, they would be willing. But if it's unconscious romantic feelings, they aren't for now, until they'll realize it.

      Another thing that assures it to go to that direction, is simply because of, well, romantic/love interest. (Who says kids can't have it?) (it's somewhat a crush, but in a higher degree)


      BUT, despite of all of this, they are still in the stage of their life where they shouldn't worry about relationships. They're friends, by default. But if romance took part, most likely in their teenage years, it's a big risky decision for them. Two choices: Stay friends or Boyfriend/Girlfriend. Since bf/gf would be unlikely for them, contrary to my personal belief, cuz they're still kids. BUT How 'bout both? Two words: Romantic friendship.

      How Romantic friendship would fit Steven and Connie, especially in their teenage years? Simply put, they can stay friends while occasional flirting here and there, and acknowledged mutual romantic feelings. *sniffs* my babies are growing up so fast...


      For now, they are still on the boundary of platonic and romantic relationship. But It wouldn't take much time for one OR both of them cross the line...


      Friendships-to-Lovers thing in Steven Universe? kids-to-teens children as an example? welp, that's something entirely new...

      Seriously though, that adds up to the realism of the show, especially in relationships. The show already shown examples of purely romantic relationships and platonic relationships, it would be great to see a detailed and spontaneous transition of friends-to-romance in this show. (sans LarsxSadie, it was a catharsis, so sudden) I never doubted it would be Steven and Connie, especially when they're already teens, duh~


      PS this is totally on the spot, unlike most of my other posts

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    • Perlen297 wrote:
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      Aptos wrote:

      Or they could have been going further into their relationship as friends. Not every time they move deeper forces them to become romantic.

      First off, why would the Crewniverse even bother hinting it? I know you will say that it's for audience appeal. But they can also be actually hints.

      They are in friendship by default, the romance is in the other side of the line, those moments blurs the lines of friendship as they lean to this boundary at the same time. Thus, making romance clearer and closer.

      It's all of our primary evidences along with supporting hints adding up. But I know you'll ask, how does that assure that they will totally go in that direction?

      Funny you ask, cause I put a link where Estelle says that...

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEOXaUBLbj0

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Funny you ask, cause I put a link where Estelle says that...

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEOXaUBLbj0

      Oh... that...

      oh man, that was supposed to be save for later, but, eh, I still have few of 'em packed

      Estelle DID explicitly said that they're going to be together, PLUS the way she said it and her expression. What she meant is obvious by context aka the question (l'm pretty sure you know what I meant about what she meant) (also, Ian literally approved, by nod)


      Although Zach said that they're always stay as friends no matter what happens, but who knows? (the infamous [made-up] trope used by creators, the fandom headscratchers)

      If romance will happen between them, atleast he reassured that they'll be together through romantic friendship. Unless if they get married of course... wait... marrying your best friend? it has a lot of perks~

      Also... Friedrich Nietzsche once famously said, "It is not a lack of love, but a lack of friendship that makes unhappy marriages."

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    • Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: Just going to put it out, I was NOT expecting you to be a troll, I did not mean anything by it. I am just glad that you don't start refuting my statements with stuff like: "B-BUT I DYNT BULIOBE IT! SO ISSA NOT CANNNNNON!!!!882:/_)$:!!!", or insults like "URV CURKK THY WUUD HATE YU YU GRUSS STEVIDT SHPR!!!2#$!" Instead, you use respectable arguments on the subject. Thank you for that.

      1st. I mean, if you're not going to put any love (kid love, remember, we're talking about kid love here) in a relationship, why want a relationship at all?~

      2nd. Sorry, I must've misread your previous post. I thought you meant he WANTED a normal relationship at FIRST, not during the time spent. By normal, I mean friendly, not that romantic or sexual relationships aren't normal.

      3rd. Can we at least use the same pronouns for them as they use for themselves?

      4th. Sneaking in candy is not really an 'adventure', per ce. I mean, it's exhilarating and worrying, but not adventurous. Also, if your friend had eyelids, while your own were cut off, and you said you wanted eyelids, would you use your friend as a direct source? (Okay, did I just compare magic to eyelids? :O)

      5th. I was kidding. I didn't mean it like that. Also, how do you refute that, but not when I said quite literally EVERYBODY wants a Rose Room? Anyways, still, Steven did it anyways, despite the social thoughts of kids his age and maturity (i.e., there is none)

      6th. To feel secure, that's why. If you're parents let you go to a party ON THEIR OWN WILL, and the party went bad, you would still go to your parents, wouldn't you? Also, Garnet said it, not the CG in general. In fact, Pearl was against it.

      Also, I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the video...

      1. they could expect love to come over time.

      2. Sorry, i shouldve clarified.

      3. Technically they refers to all of them. Shouldn't they be able to be referred to as such?

      4. No, as in if you for your whole life wanted roses room, and you knew someone that had it, you would seriously want to spend time with them, because now you have access to roses room. Then, boom, you realize suddenly that you appreciate just being with them, not just enjoying the connection to the room.

      5. Cuz I didn't realize it then. At this point i am in refutation mode. Also, what did you mean by your statement? The latin confused me. I.e., i did not understand the context.

      6. The party was going fine, they were having an experience. But they thought it could be better.

      7. the video shows three unique opinions. But phileo is love that children can have, and being together as friends is a thing.

      1. I guess so, but expecting a relationship with someone you don't love, especially if you just met them, is kinda something kids his age don't really do.

      2. It's okay, it's just me being confused. 

      3. You're using it to describe one person, who dosn't use 'they' as a pronoun. Of course I would get confused. Also, not everyone uses 'they' as a pronoun.

      4. I wouldn't spend time with them if they were bad to me. To most kids, personality is what makes the friendship, not what they have.

      5. I.e. means aka, or it is referring to a group as a whole. I'm saying i.e., there is none, because most kids that are his age (at the time) are usually VERY immature, and I should know. I am one that goes to a SCHOOL with them. Anyways, I don't think that, unless they have a crush on said prson, they wouldn't go through the wedding AT ALL, nor go MAKE the wedding place in the first place.

      6. "The party was going fine"... please tell me that was autocorrect. The part was NOT going fin for them. Everyone was staring at them and 'acting weird'. And the one that actually talked to them was KE//vin, who called Stevonnie his 'baby' (As if he owns them) and called everyone trash. Does that SOUND lik th party was going fine? 

      7. But they were answering if Connie and Steven would become a couple, and how they feel about them shipping the two. Rebecca said it was the love of 2 kids, while Estelle said they were going to be together (I didn't go all the way through to Zach, so I don't know what he said)

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    • Perlen297 wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Funny you ask, cause I put a link where Estelle says that...

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEOXaUBLbj0

      Oh... that...

      oh man, that was supposed to be save for later, but, eh, I still have few of 'em packed

      Sorry, I didn't know. But hey, it's the finale, how much farther can you wait...

      (So THAT'S why it was never used... again, Sorry)

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    • Seriously though

      It was all by context

      Q: There's a lot of people shipping Steven and Connie but they're young. What type of response do you have to this?

      The question revolves around the romantic shipping of Steven and Connie. (too young, duh)

      Estelle: They're gonna be together.

      Literally a nod to the question. Their future... (Is it me or every time I read this answer, I always thought of Garnet, who happens to be the #1 Stevonnie shipper)


      It would be weird that you were asked about Peridot but you answered about Lapis.

      Again, what they meant is all by context.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: Seriously though

      It was all by context

      Q: There's a lot of people shipping Steven and Connie but they're young. What type of response do you have to this?

      The question revolves around the romantic shipping of Steven and Connie. (too young, duh)

      Estelle: They're gonna be together.

      Literally a nod to the question. Their future... (Is it me or every time I read this answer, I always thought of Garnet, who happens to be the #1 Stevonnie shipper)


      It would be weird that you were asked about Peridot but you answered about Lapis.

      Again, what they meant is all by context.

      Didn't we already discusss this type of scenario? Among other reasons, the time span for which they have created episodes from that conference has long past, and we haven't seen any approval. Not to mention, estelle does not know the future of the show any more than zach does, and sugars statement was made ambivalent. They set themselves up to have crewniverse approval and VA hinting no matter what route they go. That's called planning answers.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Perlen297 wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Funny you ask, cause I put a link where Estelle says that...

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEOXaUBLbj0

      Oh... that...

      oh man, that was supposed to be save for later, but, eh, I still have few of 'em packed

      Sorry, I didn't know. But hey, it's the finale, how much farther can you wait...

      (So THAT'S why it was never used... again, Sorry)

      It actually was used. But not prominently. Only about twenty to a hundred posts.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: Just going to put it out, I was NOT expecting you to be a troll, I did not mean anything by it. I am just glad that you don't start refuting my statements with stuff like: "B-BUT I DYNT BULIOBE IT! SO ISSA NOT CANNNNNON!!!!882:/_)$:!!!", or insults like "URV CURKK THY WUUD HATE YU YU GRUSS STEVIDT SHPR!!!2#$!" Instead, you use respectable arguments on the subject. Thank you for that.

      1st. I mean, if you're not going to put any love (kid love, remember, we're talking about kid love here) in a relationship, why want a relationship at all?~

      2nd. Sorry, I must've misread your previous post. I thought you meant he WANTED a normal relationship at FIRST, not during the time spent. By normal, I mean friendly, not that romantic or sexual relationships aren't normal.

      3rd. Can we at least use the same pronouns for them as they use for themselves?

      4th. Sneaking in candy is not really an 'adventure', per ce. I mean, it's exhilarating and worrying, but not adventurous. Also, if your friend had eyelids, while your own were cut off, and you said you wanted eyelids, would you use your friend as a direct source? (Okay, did I just compare magic to eyelids? :O)

      5th. I was kidding. I didn't mean it like that. Also, how do you refute that, but not when I said quite literally EVERYBODY wants a Rose Room? Anyways, still, Steven did it anyways, despite the social thoughts of kids his age and maturity (i.e., there is none)

      6th. To feel secure, that's why. If you're parents let you go to a party ON THEIR OWN WILL, and the party went bad, you would still go to your parents, wouldn't you? Also, Garnet said it, not the CG in general. In fact, Pearl was against it.

      Also, I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the video...

      1. they could expect love to come over time.

      2. Sorry, i shouldve clarified.

      3. Technically they refers to all of them. Shouldn't they be able to be referred to as such?

      4. No, as in if you for your whole life wanted roses room, and you knew someone that had it, you would seriously want to spend time with them, because now you have access to roses room. Then, boom, you realize suddenly that you appreciate just being with them, not just enjoying the connection to the room.

      5. Cuz I didn't realize it then. At this point i am in refutation mode. Also, what did you mean by your statement? The latin confused me. I.e., i did not understand the context.

      6. The party was going fine, they were having an experience. But they thought it could be better.

      7. the video shows three unique opinions. But phileo is love that children can have, and being together as friends is a thing.

      1. I guess so, but expecting a relationship with someone you don't love, especially if you just met them, is kinda something kids his age don't really do.

      2. It's okay, it's just me being confused. 

      3. You're using it to describe one person, who dosn't use 'they' as a pronoun. Of course I would get confused. Also, not everyone uses 'they' as a pronoun.

      4. I wouldn't spend time with them if they were bad to me. To most kids, personality is what makes the friendship, not what they have.

      5. I.e. means aka, or it is referring to a group as a whole. I'm saying i.e., there is none, because most kids that are his age (at the time) are usually VERY immature, and I should know. I am one that goes to a SCHOOL with them. Anyways, I don't think that, unless they have a crush on said prson, they wouldn't go through the wedding AT ALL, nor go MAKE the wedding place in the first place.

      6. "The party was going fine"... please tell me that was autocorrect. The part was NOT going fin for them. Everyone was staring at them and 'acting weird'. And the one that actually talked to them was KE//vin, who called Stevonnie his 'baby' (As if he owns them) and called everyone trash. Does that SOUND lik th party was going fine? 

      7. But they were answering if Connie and Steven would become a couple, and how they feel about them shipping the two. Rebecca said it was the love of 2 kids, while Estelle said they were going to be together (I didn't go all the way through to Zach, so I don't know what he said)

      1. You mean a twelve year old? Read the book thief, among other books and movies showing people his age doing that exact same thing. Not to mention adults do that too.

      2.cool.

      3.They is neutral. They is not necessarily a prominent pronoun, but it is all-inclusive, and I am lazy, so I say they. If it's not politically correct to use an all inclusive pronoun, then something is weird with logic.

      4.They wouldn't be bad, because his whole lifestyle embodies that magic, he is quite literally the bridge between the magic gems and connie. Personality was a deal-breaker, not a main package.

      5I.e. means in other words. I actually spend a lot of time with people his age to while camping, I assure you, they have shown a surprisingly selective immaturity level. They would be cool with weddings, and then turn around and be inappropriate. It happens.

      6. I thought you were using party as a metaphor for stevonnie. The second the party messed up they started defusing and fixed the problem. What's the point.

      7.Phileo is the love of two kids, and friends are together. See the above post

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    • Perlen297 wrote: *saw 25+ new posts...* nah, too lazy to read~

      Aptos wrote:

      Or they could have been going further into their relationship as friends. Not every time they move deeper forces them to become romantic.

      Not forced, either tempted or willing. Actually, I expected you to say that for the longest time. (looks like we're transitioning to the finale, just like what I've planned)

      First off, why would the Crewniverse even bother hinting it? I know you will say that it's for audience appeal. But they can also be actually hints.

      They are in friendship by default, the romance is in the other side of the line, those moments blurs the lines of friendship as they lean to this boundary at the same time. Thus, making romance clearer and closer.

      It's all of our primary evidences along with supporting hints adding up. But I know you'll ask, how does that assure that they will totally go in that direction?

      Well, I have something to post that I've urged to post the longest time but I'd say let's save that for later...

      For now, we can't still say whether they are or aren't willing for it, since they're still young. But crushes are still there, of course.

      Those hints can either say that it's crushes, or unconscious romantic feelings, or both. If it's crushes, they would be willing. But if it's unconscious romantic feelings, they aren't for now, until they'll realize it.

      Another thing that assures it to go to that direction, is simply because of, well, romantic/love interest. (Who says kids can't have it?) (it's somewhat a crush, but in a higher degree)


      BUT, despite of all of this, they are still in the stage of their life where they shouldn't worry about relationships. They're friends, by default. But if romance took part, most likely in their teenage years, it's a big risky decision for them. Two choices: Stay friends or Boyfriend/Girlfriend. Since bf/gf would be unlikely for them, contrary to my personal belief, cuz they're still kids. BUT How 'bout both? Two words: Romantic friendship.

      How Romantic friendship would fit Steven and Connie, especially in their teenage years? Simply put, they can stay friends while occasional flirting here and there, and acknowledged mutual romantic feelings. *sniffs* my babies are growing up so fast...


      For now, they are still on the boundary of platonic and romantic relationship. But It wouldn't take much time for one OR both of them cross the line...


      Friendships-to-Lovers thing in Steven Universe? kids-to-teens children as an example? welp, that's something entirely new...

      Seriously though, that adds up to the realism of the show, especially in relationships. The show already shown examples of purely romantic relationships and platonic relationships, it would be great to see a detailed and spontaneous transition of friends-to-romance in this show. (sans LarsxSadie, it was a catharsis, so sudden) I never doubted it would be Steven and Connie, especially when they're already teens, duh~


      PS this is totally on the spot, unlike most of my other posts

      I still disagree with the concept of romantic friendship. I believe it is misapplied feelings but I'll roll with it existing.

      The show is nice because it defies expectations. It's a coming if age story, and a frequent part of growing up may be romance, but it is also clean friendship. Not to mention the teenage brain misidentifies emotions during that time, so they might think they are in love, but it's not eros. That's one reason most teenage romances die, they aren't romance.

      You may think they are being driven to the line of romance, but that cliff leads multiple places. Sure, it can lead to love, attraction to one another in that sense, or attraction to simply spend time with them as deeper friends. Pressure from society and natural teenage misidentification often leads teenagers to come to this assumption that they must go to romance, and this popularizes romantic friendship. But if this is not real most often, just an attempt that fails by the phileo.

      You may say they are being drawn towards one another, but what is drawing them? Innate romantic potential? Being romantically compatible is not really a thing one gets from personalities, it is something from the soul. The personality shows friendship, how the charisma between the two interact and connect well, how the dynamic comes forth. Romance is an innate primal nature, we can not determine from personalities if ti will happen, nor can we think that all of these potential signs could be simply some Ludus interaction of children, or real true eros that is romance.

      Of course, they could have romantic feeligns. They could like each other. And they would talk about it. They spent two years together, and steven has no sense of privacy, if he had romantic feelings, they would talk about it. Not to mention them breaking up would have alternative contexts.

      Not to mention, there is the slow adjustment over time. Connie first likes the magic, then she likes steven, then she likes steven at the expense of magic, then she likes magic for what it can help with steven. The adjustment over time has a slow cooking chnage in connie. Adventure and magic is a part of their relationship, it is how they develop. Stevonnie must be the primary expression, representing their connection through magic.

      Stevonnie wanted to be apart. She didn't like how she was together, she thought it was amazing, but missed how it used to be, going to parties and going on hillsides. It could very well be an allegory for their connection between each other being them together, rather than than simply being with each other. Not them being one dating unit, but two friends having fun. They though tit would be fun if they were there, but they weren't, they were sucked into the relationship, being the relationship and not with each other. They disliked the relationship representing themselves, and preferred to be separate individuals that have a connection. Not to mention the frequent idea of marriage and such romance leading to a metaphorical being of one body, mind, or spirit, the idea of fusion as well. Friendship is separate, and they chose that.

      Thus, they disliked that romance concept, and preferred friendship. I knwo you will say, well they are choosing a different kind of romance. What kind? A kind that doesn't go anywhere? A kind that doesn't reach this combining endpoint? Something not serious enough? That's ludus, my friend. Not eros. Ludus, the kind of non serious playing around, appreciation of the moment, among other examples. It's often mistaken for romantic love by the most common people who have it:drunkards, children, and teens. It's playful, but it isn't romance. Therefore, what you are suggesting theough romantic friendship is phileo with ludus, not romance at all. BOOOOM.Drop the mic. Then pick it back up. Cuz you aren't done

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    • I was gonna reply to one of your comments, but my text wall collasped apparently. So I'm just gonna write this:

      Gonna is future tense, B.I.O.N. They are already together as friends since Bubble Buddies, through magic or not. So Estelle saying they're gonna be together as friends is kinda strange, considering they are already so. 

      Boom the mic THAT. XD

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: I was gonna reply to one of your comments, but my text wall collasped apparently. So I'm just gonna write this:

      Gonna is future tense, B.I.O.N. They are already together as friends since Bubble Buddies, through magic or not. So Estelle saying they're gonna be together as friends is kinda strange, considering they are already so. 

      Boom the mic THAT. XD

      They are going to be together. They could be continue being as friends, or they could be blowing hot air and odnt know what will happen. Probably the second, considering the date of the questionaire

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    • Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: 

      Boom the mic THAT. XD

      They are going to be together. They could be continue being as friends, or they could be blowing hot air and don't know what will happen. Probably the second, considering the date of the questionaire

      (You misspelled don't, I fixed it)

      Yeah, maybe all of them are full of hot air. Maybe at the end Steven becomes genocidal and Connie hates him. That doesn't mean we can't at least try to take their word for it, no matter the airdate of the questionaire (also, it wasn't posted by Matt Burnett, so we KNOW we can at least halfway trust it. jk jk)

      Anyways, they could also find romance in their life with each other at some point, don't deny it as impossible. Even in science, you have to at least have SOME doubt in something you think is "right".~

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    • Perlen297 wrote:
      Also, Alex Hirsch ships it too!!
      Tumblr nsd76dAZHu1ru8lkpo1 500

      OM
      btw, credits to Goldmaker3245 for finding it

      No offense, Perl, but I'm pretty sure he was mocking the majority of the fandom that wants answers and spoilers to everything (Hence why "1" is after a majority of exclamation points.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: 

      Boom the mic THAT. XD

      They are going to be together. They could be continue being as friends, or they could be blowing hot air and don't know what will happen. Probably the second, considering the date of the questionaire

      (You misspelled don't, I fixed it)

      Yeah, maybe all of them are full of hot air. Maybe at the end Steven becomes genocidal and Connie hates him. That doesn't mean we can't at least try to take their word for it, no matter the airdate of the questionaire (also, it wasn't posted by Matt Burnett, so we KNOW we can at least halfway trust it. jk jk)

      Anyways, they could also find romance in their life with each other at some point, don't deny it as impossible. Even in science, you have to at least have SOME doubt in something you think is "right".~

      No, as in they wouldn't know for certain, and we definitely shouldn't put estelle over stevens VA.

      I NEVER denied it as impossible. As for science, not necessarily. You can be totally confident and without doubt and be right. Newton was with inertia.

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      • about to post a lot of words, thanks to my mind that never stops vomiting ideas*

      I rewatched and analyzed the interview once again, only to notice something...

      The interviewee asked a question concerning the romantic shipping of SxC, saying that they're young.

      The three never said no, nor disproved the romance on SxC. They were asked about what type of responce they have regarding it.

      Rebecca meant that there's nothing wrong about the romance on them, saying that it's pure love of children.

      Estelle basically proven the romance in them, in the future, saying that they're going to be together. A nod to the question.

      Zach however, said they'll always stay as friends no matter what happens, but who knows?

      He never disproven the romance on them.

      Even if SxC will become a couple or one rejected when the other one confess, they'll always stay as friends.

      PS Boyfriend/girlfriends are still technically friends.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      No offense, Perl, but I'm pretty sure he was mocking the majority of the fandom that wants answers and spoilers to everything (Hence why "1" is after a majority of exclamation points.

      hmm... Alex may be a troll at times, especially when it comes to his show, but that doesn't mean he can't be a fan.

      He's said something about the e*()%^90^ *connection lost*


      oh btw, I'm almost certain that Disney ships 'em.

      ... or Steven Universe was originally going to be on Disney...

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    • Romance here and there. It can be friendship. And also can be both.

      Keep in mind that romance can still penetrate friendships.

      It's an energy, you felt, it's those butterflies on your stomach, it's what makes you blush whenever their eyes met yours, it's what makes your heart beats faster...

      Friendship is a bond. Romance (romantic feelings) is an energy.

      Romantic love and romantic feelings are different.

      Steven and COnnie may never loved each other, romantically, but romance exists within them, as an energy that penetrates to their bond. The foundation is there, a budding romance. No catharsis junk, just a spontaneous progression. "The realization" is just around the corner...

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    • I think you almost forgot that the Crewniverse planned Connie being Steven's girlfriend from the start, a news spread t othe fandom a few months before Bubble Buddies aired.

      If they intended SxC to be strictly platonic friends, then they shouldn't have left all those hints, subtle or not.

      All those hints simly reassured their plan actually lived on, in addition to alots of romantic-ish moments they throw in.

      Through either a detailed spontaneous transition from friendship to romance OR like, once initially acted awkwardly around the other one, saved one's life from mortal danger, then they began to feel something entirely new... wait a minute, am I talking about Steven and Connie or Ruby and Sapphire?

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    • While all of you were ignoring my posts, I had a psychological breakthrough, something that may explain why I have a hard time arguing with Aptos:

      We don't know.

      We only have our beliefs, and this, all this, is a catharsis for us to explain how we feel about Stevonnie (the ship), no matter if we believe it to be romantic, or not.

      It wouldn't have made a difference if there was a blog that asked "Do Steven and Lapis have romantic feeling". We believe what we believe, and none of us can say Steven and Lapis have romantic/platonic feelings for eachother for sure, because we don't know for sure. Likewise, we can only guess what Connie and Steven feel for eachother.

      Even if someone from the Crewniverse, e.g., McBurnett, confirmed it, we wouldn't know the answer for sure, no matter how many threads we post, until it's on the actual show. And even if they end up as a couple, they still have a likely chance they could break up.

      ...

      It's either all of this, or because I do it on the spot.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: While all of you were ignoring my posts, I had a psychological breakthrough, something that may explain why I have a hard time arguing with Aptos:

      We don't know.

      We only have our beliefs, and this, all this, is a catharsis for us to explain how we feel about Stevonnie (the ship), no matter if we believe it to be romantic, or not.

      It wouldn't have made a difference if there was a blog that asked "Do Steven and Lapis have romantic feeling". We believe what we believe, and none of us can say Steven and Lapis have romantic/platonic feelings for eachother for sure, because we don't know for sure. Likewise, we can only guess what Connie and Steven feel for eachother.

      Even if someone from the Crewniverse, e.g., McBurnett, confirmed it, we wouldn't know the answer for sure, no matter how many threads we post, until it's on the actual show. And even if they end up as a couple, they still have a likely chance they could break up.

      ...

      It's either all of this, or because I do it on the spot.

      No, we are legitimately trying to prove it to each other. And I didnt ignore your post, I literally quoted and responded to it....

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      No offense, Perl, but I'm pretty sure he was mocking the majority of the fandom that wants answers and spoilers to everything (Hence why "1" is after a majority of exclamation points.

      hmm... Alex may be a troll at times, especially when it comes to his show, but that doesn't mean he can't be a fan.

      He's said something about the e*()%^90^ *connection lost*


      oh btw, I'm almost certain that Disney ships 'em.

      ... or Steven Universe was originally going to be on Disney... </div> Or there is total lack of connection and they began development on the cartoon before they introduced connie.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: I think you almost forgot that the Crewniverse planned Connie being Steven's girlfriend from the start, a news spread t othe fandom a few months before Bubble Buddies aired.

      If they intended SxC to be strictly platonic friends, then they shouldn't have left all those hints, subtle or not.

      All those hints simly reassured their plan actually lived on, in addition to alots of romantic-ish moments they throw in.

      Through either a detailed spontaneous transition from friendship to romance OR like, once initially acted awkwardly around the other one, saved one's life from mortal danger, then they began to feel something entirely new... wait a minute, am I talking about Steven and Connie or Ruby and Sapphire?

      Sounds like just about any two people in a war zone where one is not accustomed. As for Crewniverse plans, we don't know if it was connie, and even if it was, they can always notice a better relationship from what they wrote: epic friendship.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: Romance here and there. It can be friendship. And also can be both.

      Keep in mind that romance can still penetrate friendships.

      It's an energy, you felt, it's those butterflies on your stomach, it's what makes you blush whenever their eyes met yours, it's what makes your heart beats faster...

      Friendship is a bond. Romance (romantic feelings) is an energy.

      Romantic love and romantic feelings are different.

      Steven and COnnie may never loved each other, romantically, but romance exists within them, as an energy that penetrates to their bond. The foundation is there, a budding romance. No catharsis junk, just a spontaneous progression. "The realization" is just around the corner...

      No, love is a bond. I am familiar with what love is. It is something from one to another, and it isn't an energy. It's abond. As for romantic feelings, what you have been describing in romantic friendship is ludus. That falls, as it is not romance. Because, to be obvious, but feeling romantic love and feeling romantic feelings....are the same. You can't really have romantic fear without romantic love. Every romantic feeling has romantic love

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    • Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: *babble*


      No, we are legitimately trying to prove it to each other. And I didnt ignore your post, I literally quoted and responded to it....

      I said WHILE it was happening. You guys didn't respond to my posts for a long time...

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    • Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: 

      Boom the mic THAT. XD

       question
      (You misspelled question)
      No, as in they wouldn't know for certain, and we definitely shouldn't put estelle over stevens VA.

      I NEVER denied it as impossible. As for science, not necessarily. You can be totally confident and without doubt and be right. Newton was with inertia.

      Exactly what I said, they don't know what will happen (hence the genocidal thing). Also, we should not put either above Rebecca Sugar, whose message was particularly unclear.

      Like relativity, gravity also started out as a theory as well, don't be misinformed.

      I-Ship-Stevidot (talk) 14:50, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: *babble*


      No, we are legitimately trying to prove it to each other. And I didnt ignore your post, I literally quoted and responded to it....

      I said WHILE it was happening. You guys didn't respond to my posts for a long time...

      I was asleep or at school. Timezones.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote: 

      Boom the mic THAT. XD

       question
      (You misspelled question)
      No, as in they wouldn't know for certain, and we definitely shouldn't put estelle over stevens VA.

      I NEVER denied it as impossible. As for science, not necessarily. You can be totally confident and without doubt and be right. Newton was with inertia.

      Exactly what I said, they don't know what will happen (hence the genocidal thing). Also, we should not put either above Rebecca Sugar, whose message was particularly unclear.

      Like relativity, gravity also started out as a theory as well, don't be misinformed.

      I-Ship-Stevidot (talk) 14:50, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

      They have sensed gravity. It is confirmed. I don't know quite what you were trying to prove, but if we are going into a sidetrack science battle, I will be both unwilling due to tangents and overjoyed at the challenge(I love science, I am actually writing a blog series on fanon about gem biology).

      Her message was pure love of children. That's ludus, or phileo. I am very acceptant of that, and that fits their relationship perfectly.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      No, love is a bond. I am familiar with what love is. It is something from one to another, and it isn't an energy. It's abond. As for romantic feelings, what you have been describing in romantic friendship is ludus. That falls, as it is not romance. Because, to be obvious, but feeling romantic love and feeling romantic feelings....are the same. You can't really have romantic fear without romantic love. Every romantic feeling has romantic love


      :/

      Friendship is a bond. Love is a bond.

      But It's not romantic love that I'm talking about, it's about romantic feelings.

      What I meant by romantic feelings is unconscious romantic feelings, lovestruck or romantic chemistry, as they call it. Or crush.

      It's possible for someone to love each other as a friend, but have romantic feelings. Which is common, between young relationships, and friendships, prominent among teenagers. Friendzone as they call it.

      I think you meant by romantic feeling is to choose to love someone romantically. But learn that it has multiple meanings.

      Romantic feelings can be a crush, unconscious or spontaneous romantic feelings (either lovestruck or chemistry), or romantic interest.

      Steven and Connie never chose to love each other romantically, but they spontaneously and casually felt romantic feelings.

      Want an example like that? Ruby and Sapphire in The Answer. They don't know why, but they felt it, they never chose to, but still, they felt it, those blushings and desire to be together, they felt something entirely new...

      Those are still romantic feelings, a foundation, romantic love only came in later part, when Rose made them realize, that they are made of love. Which might be the origin of Garnet's belief that "love takes time and love takes work".

      I'm pretty sure same thing will happen to Steven and Connie, in the future, Garnet will make them realize, that they are destinied to be together, as Stevonnie, they are made of love.

      The foundation is already there, it exists beneath their friendship, we'll see where it goes from there.

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    • There's a comment in that reddit post we talked about 3 parts ago, which caught my attention, urging to post it here for the longest time...

      LadyRavenEye:
      I think it's worth discussing the nuance of the romance of Steven and Connie; how their childhood affects it, the innocence of their love (they love each other, whether they are "in love" yet or not), the parallels with Rose and Pearl, and on and on--but to say they feel 100% platonically toward each other, I find that laughable. Maybe I'm wrong? Naaahhh

      True tho, there's such thing as childhood innocence that affects it, which is worth reconsidering.

      And, also the nuance (subtle difference) of the romance of Steven and Connie. Subtle difference? Subtly different from all romance we found in the show, but still, romance, except, of two children. A thing that we should always consider.

      We are talking about the romance of two children here, not of adults. Who knows? They may be platonic to each other in the outside, but deep inside, young love, young romance ensues. Budding romance, as they call it.

      This adds up to the "romance diversity" in the show: RubyxSapphire is Made of Love , RosexGreg is Endless Romance, Pearl to Rose is Hopeless Romance/Chivalric Romance, LarsxSadie is complicated romance, and the last but not the least, StevenxConnie is young love/budding romance.

      It appeals and very relatable to younger audience (children and teens) and even myself. And also serves as a lesson for young romance seekers: Best romances starts from friendship. Love takes time, and love takes work.


      It not just parallels with Rose and Pearl, but also Ruby and Sapphire, Rose and Greg...

      tbh, you saying or atleast implying that it's 100% platonic or never romantic, I find it laughable at times.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      No, love is a bond. I am familiar with what love is. It is something from one to another, and it isn't an energy. It's abond. As for romantic feelings, what you have been describing in romantic friendship is ludus. That falls, as it is not romance. Because, to be obvious, but feeling romantic love and feeling romantic feelings....are the same. You can't really have romantic fear without romantic love. Every romantic feeling has romantic love


      :/

      Friendship is a bond. Love is a bond.

      But It's not romantic love that I'm talking about, it's about romantic feelings.

      What I meant by romantic feelings is unconscious romantic feelings, lovestruck or romantic chemistry, as they call it. Or crush.

      It's possible for someone to love each other as a friend, but have romantic feelings. Which is common, between young relationships, and friendships, prominent among teenagers. Friendzone as they call it.

      I think you meant by romantic feeling is to choose to love someone romantically. But learn that it has multiple meanings.

      Romantic feelings can be a crush, unconscious or spontaneous romantic feelings (either lovestruck or chemistry), or romantic interest.

      Steven and Connie never chose to love each other romantically, but they spontaneously and casually felt romantic feelings.

      Want an example like that? Ruby and Sapphire in The Answer. They don't know why, but they felt it, they never chose to, but still, they felt it, those blushings and desire to be together, they felt something entirely new...

      Those are still romantic feelings, a foundation, romantic love only came in later part, when Rose made them realize, that they are made of love. Which might be the origin of Garnet's belief that "love takes time and love takes work".

      I'm pretty sure same thing will happen to Steven and Connie, in the future, Garnet will make them realize, that they are destinied to be together, as Stevonnie, they are made of love.

      The foundation is already there, it exists beneath their friendship, we'll see where it goes from there.

      Most tomamtic "crushes" are actually misidentified other forms, most commonly seen in teenagers due to feeling misidentification. They feel like if they feel love, it must be romance, when commonly its ludus, agape, phileo, possibly even just high charisma.

      .....Maybe friendzone is different where you live. Where I live, friendzone is where you thought you liked each other romantically, before one of you realized that you only like each other as friends. I unfortunately can not connect to that point you are trying to make then.

      Ruby and sapphire spent years and years together, and yea, it was confirmed it was romantic. Pearl and amethyst spent years and years together, saved each other, kept each other safe, had moments of blushing when each other complimented each other inside a field of flowers, help each other emotionally, accepting them for all their faults.....apparently pearl and amethyst must be romantic by your logic. Are you claiming they are? Because ruby and sapphire having romantic feelings does not equal everyone near each other and helping each other are romantic.

      Nay nay, romantic feelings sprout from romantic love from a romantic bond. You are placing the cart before the horse, or horse before the cart, or whatever that saying goes.

      The foundation is, therefore, in everybody. Because almost everybody has helped someone else out, yet when teenagers do that, they assume romance, go crazy, then get friendzoned. Awkward.....

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    • Perlen297 wrote: There's a comment in that reddit post we talked about 3 parts ago, which caught my attention, urging to post it here for the longest time...

      LadyRavenEye:
      I think it's worth discussing the nuance of the romance of Steven and Connie; how their childhood affects it, the innocence of their love (they love each other, whether they are "in love" yet or not), the parallels with Rose and Pearl, and on and on--but to say they feel 100% platonically toward each other, I find that laughable. Maybe I'm wrong? Naaahhh

      True tho, there's such thing as childhood innocence that affects it, which is worth reconsidering.

      And, also the nuance (subtle difference) of the romance of Steven and Connie. Subtle difference? Subtly different from all romance we found in the show, but still, romance, except, of two children. A thing that we should always consider.

      We are talking about the romance of two children here, not of adults. Who knows? They may be platonic to each other in the outside, but deep inside, young love, young romance ensues. Budding romance, as they call it.

      This adds up to the "romance diversity" in the show: RubyxSapphire is Made of Love , RosexGreg is Endless Romance, Pearl to Rose is Hopeless Romance/Chivalric Romance, LarsxSadie is complicated romance, and the last but not the least, StevenxConnie is young love/budding romance.

      It appeals and very relatable to younger audience (children and teens) and even myself. And also serves as a lesson for young romance seekers: Best romances starts from friendship. Love takes time, and love takes work.


      It not just parallels with Rose and Pearl, but also Ruby and Sapphire, Rose and Greg...

      tbh, you saying or atleast implying that it's 100% platonic or never romantic, I find it laughable at times.

      Childhood innocence? Yea. They are generally either more open with their feelings due to naivety, or they misexpress through impetuality due to lack of experience. Yet both of the time, they can misinterpret what a feeling is, they just know they are feeling something.

      Nuance. Have you read the book thief? Rudy steiner and liesel are an interesting example of people their age where one htinks they like the other romantically. If you havent read it its fine, but rudy really didnt feel romantically or anything beyond friendship at the beginning, but he thought and acted that he was. But the romantic feelings had not developed, there was no romantic love, nor romantic bond. Even though rudy may have wanted a kiss (cough mild refutation to indirect kiss in case you dont like my alternative cough), he didn't romantically like ehr yet.

      If it is deep inside, then A) we wouldnt know. B) We would know cuz they have a lot of disproportionate love experience through very avid descriptions and magic love rocks. And C) as stevonnie, they would be able to have these feelings conect then, and enjoy that, except....(I don't wish to repeat my huge stevonnie explanation from above. But its too legit for me to quit on)

      Are you saying it is more about love than coming-of-age? Cuz i thought it was a heart warming story of an imaginative boy as he grows up, but maybe I read the wrong show description.

      It is relatable to young audiences to misinterpret friendship and thrust romance on it as one grows, that is a very relatable thing. It happens very frequently. I'm sure that would beautifully illustrate the message of maturity being important in recognizing feelings.

      It parallels with everybody.

      Lol, you find that laughable? I find the idea that looking at each other or cloud shapes equivalate to romance is laughable. Legitimately, out loud. It can be platonic, that's practically given without them directly stating it, and even then there is those friendzone feelings, but I would admit that they think they are.

      Except, once again, they disliked the common representation of romance, but it's not like they could ever create something rpthat represents feelings.....right?

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    • Okay, I'm going to speak here as a teenager that is about the age of Steven. Anti-shippers keep saying after every piece of evidence the Stevonnie shippers give that it's friendship, children their age don't really know what romantic love means. But, oh yes we do. Especially kids like Steven and Connie. Steven has heard many stories of love (The Answer, We Need to Talk) and Connie is very smart and she reads books. Judging that she enjoys the Unfamiliar Familiars book series, which contains at least a little romance, since Lisa and Archemicarus get married at the end. Both Steven and Connie know what romance is and from the very beginning, they showed signs of it.

      I also feel like Aptos' only response really is,"Well, that could also mean they are just really close friends." Aptos, I challenge you to give us some HARD EVIDENCE that they are just friends instead of just contradicting everything we say. Even if they aren't in love at the moment, we all know that's the end gem, right?

      Also, Stevonnie has a WHOLE lot of similiarities to Rupphire. (So does Amedot, but I'm not gonna talk about tha on a Connverse thread...) Here's one big piece of evidence for that: Garnet and Stevonnie are the only two fusions that have fused by accident. If Steven and Connie were only close friends, why hasn't other gems who were only "close friends" fused by accident? I'm just pointing that out here....

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    • good point

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    • PeridotThePerky wrote: Okay, I'm going to speak here as a teenager that is about the age of Steven. Anti-shippers keep saying after every piece of evidence the Stevonnie shippers give that it's friendship, children their age don't really know what romantic love means. But, oh yes we do. Especially kids like Steven and Connie. Steven has heard many stories of love (The Answer, We Need to Talk) and Connie is very smart and she reads books. Judging that she enjoys the Unfamiliar Familiars book series, which contains at least a little romance, since Lisa and Archemicarus get married at the end. Both Steven and Connie know what romance is and from the very beginning, they showed signs of it.

      I also feel like Aptos' only response really is,"Well, that could also mean they are just really close friends." Aptos, I challenge you to give us some HARD EVIDENCE that they are just friends instead of just contradicting everything we say. Even if they aren't in love at the moment, we all know that's the end gem, right?

      Also, Stevonnie has a WHOLE lot of similiarities to Rupphire. (So does Amedot, but I'm not gonna talk about tha on a Connverse thread...) Here's one big piece of evidence for that: Garnet and Stevonnie are the only two fusions that have fused by accident. If Steven and Connie were only close friends, why hasn't other gems who were only "close friends" fused by accident? I'm just pointing that out here....

      Lol. I like how the first paragraph applies to all the other users except me. Very nice. And actually, you just helped refute the shippers here! That is fantastic! Perlen, definitely read that!

      Ah, same argument as always. I am offering alternatives, I prove not that it is impossible to be romantic, but they may not be romantic. If you want hard evidence, I would say look at my stevonnie post, which portrays how stevonnie represents the relationship type of romance, as the highest level of romance generally has that image of unity, and their preference for separation presents an aversion to romantic relationship between each other, and prefer friendhsip. Satisfied?

      Well, have you seen any other gems unaware of their own culture enough to be able to dance with each other while just friends that didnt expect to fuse? Cuz if so, I can probably show you an example.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      PeridotThePerky wrote: Okay, I'm going to speak here as a teenager that is about the age of Steven. Anti-shippers keep saying after every piece of evidence the Stevonnie shippers give that it's friendship, children their age don't really know what romantic love means. But, oh yes we do. Especially kids like Steven and Connie. Steven has heard many stories of love (The Answer, We Need to Talk) and Connie is very smart and she reads books. Judging that she enjoys the Unfamiliar Familiars book series, which contains at least a little romance, since Lisa and Archemicarus get married at the end. Both Steven and Connie know what romance is and from the very beginning, they showed signs of it.

      I also feel like Aptos' only response really is,"Well, that could also mean they are just really close friends." Aptos, I challenge you to give us some HARD EVIDENCE that they are just friends instead of just contradicting everything we say. Even if they aren't in love at the moment, we all know that's the end gem, right?

      Also, Stevonnie has a WHOLE lot of similiarities to Rupphire. (So does Amedot, but I'm not gonna talk about tha on a Connverse thread...) Here's one big piece of evidence for that: Garnet and Stevonnie are the only two fusions that have fused by accident. If Steven and Connie were only close friends, why hasn't other gems who were only "close friends" fused by accident? I'm just pointing that out here....

      Lol. I like how the first paragraph applies to all the other users except me. Very nice. And actually, you just helped refute the shippers here! That is fantastic! Perlen, definitely read that!

      Ah, same argument as always. I am offering alternatives, I prove not that it is impossible to be romantic, but they may not be romantic. If you want hard evidence, I would say look at my stevonnie post, which portrays how stevonnie represents the relationship type of romance, as the highest level of romance generally has that image of unity, and their preference for separation presents an aversion to romantic relationship between each other, and prefer friendhsip. Satisfied?

      Well, have you seen any other gems unaware of their own culture enough to be able to dance with each other while just friends that didnt expect to fuse? Cuz if so, I can probably show you an example.

      Wha? "refute all shippers"?

      Actually, I am a young teenager, and oh yeah, I am a 14 year old, like Steven. We are at most, who relates to their relationship a lot. Who just so happens to be an avid romantic Connverse fics, a Connverse trash. But self conscious and thinks analytically. I fight for the romance of a relationship that I love and relate a lot.

      You want an hard refutation for your claim? They only prefer friendship because they haven't realized that they have romantic feelings for each other. And through friendship, ironically, subtly intesified their romantic feelings. Best romances starts from friendships, afterall. Satisfied?

      Garnet and Stevonnie are Something Entirely New. (one of the points of Garnet//Stevonnie parallels)

      Something Entirely New. They are the first heterologous/hybrid fusions. Most fusions may be made of love. But they standout, because it's not just that they are made of love, but they are also formed out of unexpected spontaneous romantic feelings. They never chose to love each other romantically, they just felt romantic feelings, but they later realize that Love is the answer.

      Sapphire never expected Garnet as much as Garnet never expected Stevonnie, despite of their "future vision".

      And oh yeah, Stevonnie is the next Garnet, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Childhood innocence? Yea. They are generally either more open with their feelings due to naivety, or they misexpress through impetuality due to lack of experience. Yet both of the time, they can misinterpret what a feeling is, they just know they are feeling something.

      Nuance. Have you read the book thief? Rudy steiner and liesel are an interesting example of people their age where one htinks they like the other romantically. If you havent read it its fine, but rudy really didnt feel romantically or anything beyond friendship at the beginning, but he thought and acted that he was. But the romantic feelings had not developed, there was no romantic love, nor romantic bond. Even though rudy may have wanted a kiss (cough mild refutation to indirect kiss in case you dont like my alternative cough), he didn't romantically like ehr yet.

      If it is deep inside, then A) we wouldnt know. B) We would know cuz they have a lot of disproportionate love experience through very avid descriptions and magic love rocks. And C) as stevonnie, they would be able to have these feelings conect then, and enjoy that, except....(I don't wish to repeat my huge stevonnie explanation from above. But its too legit for me to quit on)

      Are you saying it is more about love than coming-of-age? Cuz i thought it was a heart warming story of an imaginative boy as he grows up, but maybe I read the wrong show description.

      It is relatable to young audiences to misinterpret friendship and thrust romance on it as one grows, that is a very relatable thing. It happens very frequently. I'm sure that would beautifully illustrate the message of maturity being important in recognizing feelings.

      It parallels with everybody.

      Lol, you find that laughable? I find the idea that looking at each other or cloud shapes equivalate to romance is laughable. Legitimately, out loud. It can be platonic, that's practically given without them directly stating it, and even then there is those friendzone feelings, but I would admit that they think they are.

      Except, once again, they disliked the common representation of romance, but it's not like they could ever create something rpthat represents feelings.....right?

      Ohkay, may I clarify to you one thing. They never chose to love romantically, but who knows. (there goes the romantic feeling meaning #1)

      They never realize that those feelings are romantic, they just go along with the funky flow. They see each other as friends, tho they might have little crush on each other. Same thing with Ruby and Sapphire in The Answer.

      Do you even know what nuance means? Also, the commenter believes that there's romance in them, just affected by childhood innocence, which he find SxC being 100% platonic laughable.

      Nuance is a subtle difference. There's nuance in the romance in Steven and Connie. And that nuance is the thing you are greatly focused on throughout this thread, that led to your opinion that it's 100% platonic and nothing else.

      The fact that they are best friends are the small difference from any romances in the show. Romance can exist in friendships, never forget that.


      Steven and Connie displays the unique (and somehow entirely new, these days) representation of romance and friendships. All those love at first sight, outright crushes, are cliches. The Crewniverse somehow formed a relationship of two children, who are best friends and maybe even soulmates, but incorporating romance in them in a unique way. For the fact that they are children, they limited it, only to develop not just their friendship but the romance as well for the time will come, in the right age, they'll be together.

      Friendship is just right for them, they're still kids anyways, you can't just expect a frivolous romance of the life time from them. They added subtle romance to assure that romance WILL happen to them, when they are older. Best romances starts from friendships afterall.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Most tomamtic "crushes" are actually misidentified other forms, most commonly seen in teenagers due to feeling misidentification. They feel like if they feel love, it must be romance, when commonly its ludus, agape, phileo, possibly even just high charisma.

      .....Maybe friendzone is different where you live. Where I live, friendzone is where you thought you liked each other romantically, before one of you realized that you only like each other as friends. I unfortunately can not connect to that point you are trying to make then.

      Ruby and sapphire spent years and years together, and yea, it was confirmed it was romantic. Pearl and amethyst spent years and years together, saved each other, kept each other safe, had moments of blushing when each other complimented each other inside a field of flowers, help each other emotionally, accepting them for all their faults.....apparently pearl and amethyst must be romantic by your logic. Are you claiming they are? Because ruby and sapphire having romantic feelings does not equal everyone near each other and helping each other are romantic.

      Nay nay, romantic feelings sprout from romantic love from a romantic bond. You are placing the cart before the horse, or horse before the cart, or whatever that saying goes.

      The foundation is, therefore, in everybody. Because almost everybody has helped someone else out, yet when teenagers do that, they assume romance, go crazy, then get friendzoned. Awkward.....

      All those ludos, agape, phileo aren't commonly used these days. Now there's only two, Romantic and Platonic (familial, friendship etc) Love.

      Actually, I haven't thought deeply about "friendzone" so drop that. But that's not the point. It's that they love each other as friends, but they never realized that they have romantic feelings for each other. (literally in almost every romantic Connverse I've read, "Of course I get Jealous" as an example, skip to Chapter 6for it)

      Oh, Pearl and Amethyst? Tho I ship it, but sorry Pearlmethyst shippers... it was mostly ship tease tho, which I conclude that it's platonic for now.  But they never had what RubyxSapphire and StevenxConnie had, and it's spontaneous romantic feelings, emphasized in certain moments in the show.

      Ruby and Sapphire, in The Answer ALONE, I wouldn't consider them having romantic love for each other, but they have romantic feelings. There were certain hints within the episode that there's romance in them, and how those hints were incorparated is the same as on Steven and Connie. But don't ask for it, I would like to save those for later... (phew, I hope I wasn't being too obvious, oh wait, is this still on? oh crap...)

      (I have no much time for today so I say this quickly)

      Romantic feelings are the foundation of romantic love. Shown in RubyxSapphire in The Answer, which I don't doubt shown in StevenxConnie.

      Romantic feelings as in unconscious romantic feelings, spontaneous, which you never chose to have to.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      PeridotThePerky wrote: Okay, I'm going to speak here as a teenager that is about the age of Steven. Anti-shippers keep saying after every piece of evidence the Stevonnie shippers give that it's friendship, children their age don't really know what romantic love means. But, oh yes we do. Especially kids like Steven and Connie. Steven has heard many stories of love (The Answer, We Need to Talk) and Connie is very smart and she reads books. Judging that she enjoys the Unfamiliar Familiars book series, which contains at least a little romance, since Lisa and Archemicarus get married at the end. Both Steven and Connie know what romance is and from the very beginning, they showed signs of it.

      I also feel like Aptos' only response really is,"Well, that could also mean they are just really close friends." Aptos, I challenge you to give us some HARD EVIDENCE that they are just friends instead of just contradicting everything we say. Even if they aren't in love at the moment, we all know that's the end gem, right?

      Also, Stevonnie has a WHOLE lot of similiarities to Rupphire. (So does Amedot, but I'm not gonna talk about tha on a Connverse thread...) Here's one big piece of evidence for that: Garnet and Stevonnie are the only two fusions that have fused by accident. If Steven and Connie were only close friends, why hasn't other gems who were only "close friends" fused by accident? I'm just pointing that out here....

      Lol. I like how the first paragraph applies to all the other users except me. Very nice. And actually, you just helped refute the shippers here! That is fantastic! Perlen, definitely read that!

      Ah, same argument as always. I am offering alternatives, I prove not that it is impossible to be romantic, but they may not be romantic. If you want hard evidence, I would say look at my stevonnie post, which portrays how stevonnie represents the relationship type of romance, as the highest level of romance generally has that image of unity, and their preference for separation presents an aversion to romantic relationship between each other, and prefer friendhsip. Satisfied?

      Well, have you seen any other gems unaware of their own culture enough to be able to dance with each other while just friends that didnt expect to fuse? Cuz if so, I can probably show you an example.

      Wha? "refute all shippers"?

      Actually, I am a young teenager, and oh yeah, I am a 14 year old, like Steven. We are at most, who relates to their relationship a lot. Who just so happens to be an avid romantic Connverse fics, a Connverse trash. But self conscious and thinks analytically. I fight for the romance of a relationship that I love and relate a lot.

      You want an hard refutation for your claim? They only prefer friendship because they haven't realized that they have romantic feelings for each other. And through friendship, ironically, subtly intesified their romantic feelings. Best romances starts from friendships, afterall. Satisfied?

      Garnet and Stevonnie are Something Entirely New. (one of the points of Garnet//Stevonnie parallels)

      Something Entirely New. They are the first heterologous/hybrid fusions. Most fusions may be made of love. But they standout, because it's not just that they are made of love, but they are also formed out of unexpected spontaneous romantic feelings. They never chose to love each other romantically, they just felt romantic feelings, but they later realize that Love is the answer.

      Sapphire never expected Garnet as much as Garnet never expected Stevonnie, despite of their "future vision".

      And oh yeah, Stevonnie is the next Garnet, and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

      Oh, you have no idea how much I relate to their relationship. It's uncanny. But my social life aside.....

      You act like emotions only work when thoughts work. Whether or not they knew they had romantic feelings, they would still know how they felt in the analogous situation. Whether they recognize that as the attempted romance feeling unnatural or just that it seemed different without identification, they felt what they meant and they meant what they felt. That they preferred the way it was before. So no, I am not satisfied. And to be fair, my sarcastic response was to the insistence of direct evidence in a counter to circumstantial evidence.

      Something entirely new, yes. Proves romance, no. Just like the pearlmathyst analogy I pojnted out, parallels exist without forcing direct connection to all points.

      You never choose to love romantically. As for heterogeneous fusions, pearl and amethyst are heterogeneous. Sure, they were expected, but does that make it any different, the time? Whether it happenned before or after garnet, they are both fusions formed to help. And isn't that all that matters? (Note: I do not ship pearlmethyst. Just an example)

      Their future vision has shown only what has been expected. They never expected the fusion, they never expected the Lapis Lazuli water clones, among other unexpecteds. It isn't invulnerable except for love, it is quite variable.

      Stevonnie is the next garnet? A forever fusion? Because so far every time they have done it they enjoyed it. Awkward situations, wishing they were unfused, disliking any peculiarity from the situation. They were having a blast.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Childhood innocence? Yea. They are generally either more open with their feelings due to naivety, or they misexpress through impetuality due to lack of experience. Yet both of the time, they can misinterpret what a feeling is, they just know they are feeling something.

      Nuance. Have you read the book thief? Rudy steiner and liesel are an interesting example of people their age where one htinks they like the other romantically. If you havent read it its fine, but rudy really didnt feel romantically or anything beyond friendship at the beginning, but he thought and acted that he was. But the romantic feelings had not developed, there was no romantic love, nor romantic bond. Even though rudy may have wanted a kiss (cough mild refutation to indirect kiss in case you dont like my alternative cough), he didn't romantically like ehr yet.

      If it is deep inside, then A) we wouldnt know. B) We would know cuz they have a lot of disproportionate love experience through very avid descriptions and magic love rocks. And C) as stevonnie, they would be able to have these feelings conect then, and enjoy that, except....(I don't wish to repeat my huge stevonnie explanation from above. But its too legit for me to quit on)

      Are you saying it is more about love than coming-of-age? Cuz i thought it was a heart warming story of an imaginative boy as he grows up, but maybe I read the wrong show description.

      It is relatable to young audiences to misinterpret friendship and thrust romance on it as one grows, that is a very relatable thing. It happens very frequently. I'm sure that would beautifully illustrate the message of maturity being important in recognizing feelings.

      It parallels with everybody.

      Lol, you find that laughable? I find the idea that looking at each other or cloud shapes equivalate to romance is laughable. Legitimately, out loud. It can be platonic, that's practically given without them directly stating it, and even then there is those friendzone feelings, but I would admit that they think they are.

      Except, once again, they disliked the common representation of romance, but it's not like they could ever create something rpthat represents feelings.....right?

      Ohkay, may I clarify to you one thing. They never chose to love romantically, but who knows. (there goes the romantic feeling meaning #1)

      They never realize that those feelings are romantic, they just go along with the funky flow. They see each other as friends, tho they might have little crush on each other. Same thing with Ruby and Sapphire in The Answer.

      Do you even know what nuance means? Also, the commenter believes that there's romance in them, just affected by childhood innocence, which he find SxC being 100% platonic laughable.

      Nuance is a subtle difference. There's nuance in the romance in Steven and Connie. And that nuance is the thing you are greatly focused on throughout this thread, that led to your opinion that it's 100% platonic and nothing else.

      The fact that they are best friends are the small difference from any romances in the show. Romance can exist in friendships, never forget that.


      Steven and Connie displays the unique (and somehow entirely new, these days) representation of romance and friendships. All those love at first sight, outright crushes, are cliches. The Crewniverse somehow formed a relationship of two children, who are best friends and maybe even soulmates, but incorporating romance in them in a unique way. For the fact that they are children, they limited it, only to develop not just their friendship but the romance as well for the time will come, in the right age, they'll be together.

      Friendship is just right for them, they're still kids anyways, you can't just expect a frivolous romance of the life time from them. They added subtle romance to assure that romance WILL happen to them, when they are older. Best romances starts from friendships afterall.

      You can't choose to love. I agree.

      Yea, where did you see rupphire as just friends? Stevonnie tested out potential to be together in unity, they disliked it. Garnet was formed, they kept on trying to refuse. Foil.

      Yes, I am aware of nuances meaning.

      No, friendships can form from romance. If you wish me to elaborate on the phileo branching from eros, go ahead.

      So you claim the instantly seeing each other and him coming to her is platonic? As well as the rest of the first few stevonnie moments? Cuz I agree too, glad we do. It may be different, but it may be even mire different by being seen as soulmates, and just being friends. Best friends.

      Kids can have romance. It is not sexual, that is for sure, but they can express it in an appropriate way.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Most tomamtic "crushes" are actually misidentified other forms, most commonly seen in teenagers due to feeling misidentification. They feel like if they feel love, it must be romance, when commonly its ludus, agape, phileo, possibly even just high charisma.

      .....Maybe friendzone is different where you live. Where I live, friendzone is where you thought you liked each other romantically, before one of you realized that you only like each other as friends. I unfortunately can not connect to that point you are trying to make then.

      Ruby and sapphire spent years and years together, and yea, it was confirmed it was romantic. Pearl and amethyst spent years and years together, saved each other, kept each other safe, had moments of blushing when each other complimented each other inside a field of flowers, help each other emotionally, accepting them for all their faults.....apparently pearl and amethyst must be romantic by your logic. Are you claiming they are? Because ruby and sapphire having romantic feelings does not equal everyone near each other and helping each other are romantic.

      Nay nay, romantic feelings sprout from romantic love from a romantic bond. You are placing the cart before the horse, or horse before the cart, or whatever that saying goes.

      The foundation is, therefore, in everybody. Because almost everybody has helped someone else out, yet when teenagers do that, they assume romance, go crazy, then get friendzoned. Awkward.....

      All those ludos, agape, phileo aren't commonly used these days. Now there's only two, Romantic and Platonic (familial, friendship etc) Love.

      Actually, I haven't thought deeply about "friendzone" so drop that. But that's not the point. It's that they love each other as friends, but they never realized that they have romantic feelings for each other. (literally in almost every romantic Connverse I've read, "Of course I get Jealous" as an example, skip to Chapter 6for it)

      Oh, Pearl and Amethyst? Tho I ship it, but sorry Pearlmethyst shippers... it was mostly ship tease tho, which I conclude that it's platonic for now.  But they never had what RubyxSapphire and StevenxConnie had, and it's spontaneous romantic feelings, emphasized in certain moments in the show.

      Ruby and Sapphire, in The Answer ALONE, I wouldn't consider them having romantic love for each other, but they have romantic feelings. There were certain hints within the episode that there's romance in them, and how those hints were incorparated is the same as on Steven and Connie. But don't ask for it, I would like to save those for later... (phew, I hope I wasn't being too obvious, oh wait, is this still on? oh crap...)

      (I have no much time for today so I say this quickly)

      Romantic feelings are the foundation of romantic love. Shown in RubyxSapphire in The Answer, which I don't doubt shown in StevenxConnie.

      Romantic feelings as in unconscious romantic feelings, spontaneous, which you never chose to have to.

      I know they arent common terms, but they are common loves. If i said platonic the whole time, it isnt specific.

      Really? They don't realize it, but we can recognize them and there feeling sbetter than we can? The fanons state they never knew because they can't be known to have it in the canon, so they use that as a valid go around.

      Really? The flowers, blushing, looking into each other, none of that applies? I feel like those elements of parallels should drop from garnet parallel to if we can drop pearlmethyst.

      They have romantci feelings, confirmed by crewniverse. Thats how we know. We can definitely apply more examples of less ambiguous love from them, but that is less ambiguous, and they werent friends first.

      Romantic love create bonds create feelings. You are trying to get around the garnet rule by putting the cart before the horse. Romance is a type of love, if they have feelings of that love, THEY MUST have that love. You arent afraid if you have no fear. Same with love. So you have to show they ahve romantic love and prefer it to their phileo, and portray as such without using parallels that apply to platonic pairs. Agreeable?

      (Also, have I been seeming more aggressive near this end?

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    • (And you are failing a little in grammar and coherence...)

      This is still going???? Wow. I mean WOW. I knew the hiatus does strange things to the users. But this is practically a shipwar. Or a no-shipwar. Or a no-no-ship/no-shipwar. Whatever. I don't want to argue, I know how useless it is (no offense). I think everyone knows what I think, no one except the Crewniverse can convince me of the contrary, etc.

      I came here to ask to the "Series nav" that is in the main post. Which template did you use?.

      (Is it normal to start thinking that Aptos must be an alien at this point?)

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    • There is one piece of evidence that makes me think that Steven really does have romantic FEELINGS for each other and that is from the episode "Nightmare Hospital". 

      "Keep your hands off MY Connie!" Steven says. This one line really seals the deal for me, at least. I once saw this humourus Tumblr post in which they point out scene where someone calls another person "theirs". (The punchline was Amethyst saying "Mi Torta!" if you need to know.) Ruby said that to Sapphire (or something very similar to that, at least) and Rose said it to Pearl. Both of these relationships had involved at least one side feeling romantic feelings towards the other.

      Like Perlen has pointed out multiple time, Connverse has so many similarities to Rupphire, it isn't even funny. I think our side has quite an overwhelming amount of evidence, and most people would agree. Connie and Steven love each other romantically, even if the don't realize it yet. 

      (BTW This thread inspired me to get up and write a trashy Connverse fanfiction.)

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    • Tom Topaz wrote: (And you are failing a little in grammar and coherence...)

      This is still going???? Wow. I mean WOW. I knew the hiatus does strange things to the users. But this is practically a shipwar. Or a no-shipwar. Or a no-no-ship/no-shipwar. Whatever. I don't want to argue, I know how useless it is (no offense). I think everyone knows what I think, no one except the Crewniverse can convince me of the contrary, etc.

      I came here to ask to the "Series nav" that is in the main post. Which template did you use?.

      (Is it normal to start thinking that Aptos must be an alien at this point?)

      Grammar? What happened with grammar? And how am I seeming alien?

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    • PeridotThePerky wrote: There is one piece of evidence that makes me think that Steven really does have romantic FEELINGS for each other and that is from the episode "Nightmare Hospital". 

      "Keep your hands off MY Connie!" Steven says. This one line really seals the deal for me, at least. I once saw this humourus Tumblr post in which they point out scene where someone calls another person "theirs". (The punchline was Amethyst saying "Mi Torta!" if you need to know.) Ruby said that to Sapphire (or something very similar to that, at least) and Rose said it to Pearl. Both of these relationships had involved at least one side feeling romantic feelings towards the other.

      Like Perlen has pointed out multiple time, Connverse has so many similarities to Rupphire, it isn't even funny. I think our side has quite an overwhelming amount of evidence, and most people would agree. Connie and Steven love each other romantically, even if the don't realize it yet. 

      (BTW This thread inspired me to get up and write a trashy Connverse fanfiction.)

      The evidence is circumstantial tho, and thus I am nonetheless still correct. As for possesive word choice, that can still happen with family relationships, friends, etc.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      PeridotThePerky wrote: There is one piece of evidence that makes me think that Steven really does have romantic FEELINGS for each other and that is from the episode "Nightmare Hospital". 

      "Keep your hands off MY Connie!" Steven says. This one line really seals the deal for me, at least. I once saw this humourus Tumblr post in which they point out scene where someone calls another person "theirs". (The punchline was Amethyst saying "Mi Torta!" if you need to know.) Ruby said that to Sapphire (or something very similar to that, at least) and Rose said it to Pearl. Both of these relationships had involved at least one side feeling romantic feelings towards the other.

      Like Perlen has pointed out multiple time, Connverse has so many similarities to Rupphire, it isn't even funny. I think our side has quite an overwhelming amount of evidence, and most people would agree. Connie and Steven love each other romantically, even if the don't realize it yet. 

      (BTW This thread inspired me to get up and write a trashy Connverse fanfiction.)

      The evidence is circumstantial tho, and thus I am nonetheless still correct. As for possesive word choice, that can still happen with family relationships, friends, etc.

      Okay, let's see... I don't think anybody would use possesvie word choice for anybody but their family (which is not the case) and someone who you had romantic feelings for. But if you find an example in real life or fiction that has a friend use possesive word choice for for another friend, then I may be able to rethink my reasoning. Again, you are using the "but it could also mean" line without much evidence to support your reasonong.

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    • "But it could also mean" is a valid counter to circumstantial evidence. But as for possesive pronouns, it is mostly used playfully in my immediate examples, though a few are serious. Primarily personal observances, though i take it you want an online source? I am a little to lazy to try and look it up though.

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    • Aptos wrote:
      "But it could also mean" is a valid counter to circumstantial evidence. But as for possesive pronouns, it is mostly used playfully in my immediate examples, though a few are serious. Primarily personal observances, though i take it you want an online source? I am a little to lazy to try and look it up though.

      Nah... I won't make you. :) Yes, your reasoning is valid, but when you use the same thing for every piece of evidence we give, it get's a bit irritating (No offense.) 

      Also, I feel like this thread has really just come to a stopping point. All we're trying to do on this thread is to basically get Aptos to ship Connverse. That's probably not going to happen, as we see they are very much determined to not ship it. I'll keep giving evidence, but if there's another thread after this, I'm not participating. There are plenty of Connverse shippers, getting one person to ship it is NICE, but we're really not going anywhere with this thread anymore.

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    • It's fine, I am trying to get a little more directly aggressive as opposed to reactive.

      There is not going to be another thread, this is the finale. As for shipping, I ship it, I just don't think it is canon. The point is just to make it confirmed canon.

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      It's fine, I am trying to get a little more directly aggressive as opposed to reactive.

      There is not going to be another thread, this is the finale. As for shipping, I ship it, I just don't think it is canon. The point is just to make it confirmed canon.

      Wow, that actually surprises me. Most shippers are scrambling for evidence that their ship will become canon and you're doing the exact opposite!

      THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.

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    • Also, if you ship it, you ship it for a reason. There must be SOMETHING in your heart telling you they're meant to be. Every ship has evidence and a backstory, so does Connverse, and you're living proof.

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    • PeridotThePerky wrote: Also, if you ship it, you ship it for a reason. There must be SOMETHING in your heart telling you they're meant to be. Every ship has evidence and a backstory, so does Connverse, and you're living proof.

      I ship because i think it would be cool. For personal parallels and such. Unfortunately, i think it ain't the case canon wise, and there is nought said thus far that has changed that. Wait, how am I proof?

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    • PeridotThePerky wrote:
      Also, if you ship it, you ship it for a reason. There must be SOMETHING in your heart telling you they're meant to be. Every ship has evidence and a backstory, so does Connverse, and you're living proof.

      Not every ship has a reason. I ship Blue Pearlven, because I simply can. They would be great firends if Steven shows her the world and how great it is. I think it's just natural to do so.

      (I'm so glad noone questions my sanity for shipping this)

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      PeridotThePerky wrote:
      Also, if you ship it, you ship it for a reason. There must be SOMETHING in your heart telling you they're meant to be. Every ship has evidence and a backstory, so does Connverse, and you're living proof.
      Not every ship has a reason. I ship Blue Pearlven, because I simply can. They would be great firends if Steven shows her the world and how great it is. I think it's just natural to do so.

      (I'm so glad noone questions my sanity for shipping this)

      Wait.. you ship Stevidot AND Pearlven? And you're on a Connverse thread?

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    • PeridotThePerky wrote:
      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:
      PeridotThePerky wrote:
      Also, if you ship it, you ship it for a reason. There must be SOMETHING in your heart telling you they're meant to be. Every ship has evidence and a backstory, so does Connverse, and you're living proof.
      Not every ship has a reason. I ship Blue Pearlven, because I simply can. They would be great firends if Steven shows her the world and how great it is. I think it's just natural to do so.

      (I'm so glad noone questions my sanity for shipping this)

      Wait.. you ship Stevidot AND Pearlven? And you're on a Connverse thread?

      Yes, I ship Stevidot and Stevonnie. I don't ship Pearlven, but I ship Blue Pearlven. I also ship Stapis.

      But that's besides the point.

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    • I also ship one-sided Amedot.

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    • Let's try and conserve the posts here. Perlen isn't always here, and they have a tendency to withhold information until the end. We should leave space.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      You can't choose to love. I agree.

      Yea, where did you see rupphire as just friends? Stevonnie tested out potential to be together in unity, they disliked it. Garnet was formed, they kept on trying to refuse. Foil.

      Yes, I am aware of nuances meaning.

      No, friendships can form from romance. If you wish me to elaborate on the phileo branching from eros, go ahead.

      So you claim the instantly seeing each other and him coming to her is platonic? As well as the rest of the first few stevonnie moments? Cuz I agree too, glad we do. It may be different, but it may be even mire different by being seen as soulmates, and just being friends. Best friends.

      Kids can have romance. It is not sexual, that is for sure, but they can express it in an appropriate way.

      What I actually meant by that is that... They never intently loved romantically. Or they never thought of loving each other romantically, tho they might have small crushes.

      We're talking about relationships here, not types of love. Friendships is formed by default or naturally, like when you met someone and you became friends with them.

      But romance? That is formed from several factors, when you have crush on someone, fell in love with them, or just romantic feelings.

      Friendship can form from romance. Romance can form from friendships. Same thing.

      Uh... what? You believe it was romantic?

      I disagreed that it was romantic in Bubble Buddies. But if there really is, just a little crush.

      But All those Stevonnie moments reassured that that crush never go away, it's still there.

      Kids can express romance in their own ways. Even though I believe, by this discussion, that they never expressed romance, but they experienced it, felt it. They felt something entirely new.


      I think you misunderstood the parallels. It only "parallels" to friendship relationships in the show for the reason that it's friendship, all friendships are similar. So of course they'll parallel with 'em.

      But despite of that, they actually parallels with romantic relationships. With Ruby and Sapphire the most, being perfect, spontaneous fusions of love + moment parallels. With Pearlrose, being knights and stuff, but avoided in the end of Sworn to the Sword, so there goes that parallel. With RosexGreg, being interspecies romance + more that I prefer saving for last... And LarsxSadie, being friends, but deep inside having romantic feeligs + one moment parallel.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      PeridotThePerky wrote: There is one piece of evidence that makes me think that Steven really does have romantic FEELINGS for each other and that is from the episode "Nightmare Hospital". 

      "Keep your hands off MY Connie!" Steven says. This one line really seals the deal for me, at least. I once saw this humourus Tumblr post in which they point out scene where someone calls another person "theirs". (The punchline was Amethyst saying "Mi Torta!" if you need to know.) Ruby said that to Sapphire (or something very similar to that, at least) and Rose said it to Pearl. Both of these relationships had involved at least one side feeling romantic feelings towards the other.

      Like Perlen has pointed out multiple time, Connverse has so many similarities to Rupphire, it isn't even funny. I think our side has quite an overwhelming amount of evidence, and most people would agree. Connie and Steven love each other romantically, even if the don't realize it yet. 

      (BTW This thread inspired me to get up and write a trashy Connverse fanfiction.)

      The evidence is circumstantial tho, and thus I am nonetheless still correct. As for possesive word choice, that can still happen with family relationships, friends, etc.

      You're correct?! wow, I'm pretty sure no one is still correct here.

      Except, it was romantic, but as a ship tease. Given that Steven might not have thought much about it. It being romantic, supported by consistent overwhelming amount of nods in-show, still make sense, although contrary to my personal belief.


      "Connie and Steven love each other romantically, even if the don't realize it yet."

      Why I haven't thought of this before?! It all makes sense! They romantically love each other, but they haven't realized it yet!

      eh, not really, I still have some doubts about this "romantic love" on Steven and Connie, but still, romance exists within them nevertheless.

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    • The point of this thread is to invite a response, to discover the depths of Steven and Connie's relationship, and prove the existence of romance of any forms within them.


      This said, I'll rebuild the different major claims of the pro-romantic Connverse side, or atleast mine:

      • They have unconscious romantic feelings for each other, but that they never realised it, yet.
      • They love each other as friends, but like each other romantically. Simply a romantic crush. A secret crush they prefer keep until they notice that the other one felt the same way.
      • Nevertheless, romance exist within them, in any possible forms.
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    • Aptos wrote: I know they arent common terms, but they are common loves. If i said platonic the whole time, it isnt specific.

      Really? They don't realize it, but we can recognize them and there feeling sbetter than we can? The fanons state they never knew because they can't be known to have it in the canon, so they use that as a valid go around.

      Really? The flowers, blushing, looking into each other, none of that applies? I feel like those elements of parallels should drop from garnet parallel to if we can drop pearlmethyst.

      They have romantci feelings, confirmed by crewniverse. Thats how we know. We can definitely apply more examples of less ambiguous love from them, but that is less ambiguous, and they werent friends first.

      Romantic love create bonds create feelings. You are trying to get around the garnet rule by putting the cart before the horse. Romance is a type of love, if they have feelings of that love, THEY MUST have that love. You arent afraid if you have no fear. Same with love. So you have to show they ahve romantic love and prefer it to their phileo, and portray as such without using parallels that apply to platonic pairs. Agreeable?

      (Also, have I been seeming more aggressive near this end?

      Platonic already had familial, friendship and other loves. Romantic deserves its own major division, for it's one of the largest genre and concept/topic of all time.

      I already thought that they never realized the existent romantic feelings they had before I got into fanon.

      It's still possible. We only recognise them by the way we see the story, context clues, tropes and any possible forms of evidences. This is a show, a story, not real life.

      Their fanon fics are canon compliant, they write a fic from how they interpret the story, which in my opinion, are mostly accurate.

      Them not realizing romantic feelings is still possible, and I only showed that fic as an example.

      They never realized it because of several factors: they're kids, most of them can't really recognise romantic feelings when they felt it, even Ruby and Sapphire never did until Rose came; they shrugged it off, for not recognising that it's actually romance.

      Even if they did realized these romantic feelings, they shrugged it off temporarily, for they thought the other one may not feel the same way, but what they don't know is that they actually feel the same way. It wouldn't take much time for them to notice it.


      Like I said, Pearlmethyst is most likely a ship tease, since it was only ONCE. But in Steven and Connie, it recieved quite a lot since Bubble Buddies. But in Alone Together, they aren't kidding anymore. Stevonnie's existence and its promising parallels with Garnet reassured this. And also their burgeoning relationship.


      How did we know that Rupphire was romantic from the start? They kissed on-screen oml, The Gay Hold™, and two whole songs about it. We really need to accept obvious outright things sometimes. And that confirmation from Crewniverse is just a reassurance for those few people (mostly haters) who still think otherwise.

      Except that it's not what I meant about romantic feelings. Romantic feelings are those butterflies on your stomach. It's what makes you want to stare at their eyes forever. It's what makes you romantically attracted to someone. It's what makes you want to not leave their side. It's those romantic feelings that you barely understand or recognize. Those feelings are something entirely new...

      (oh btw, I'm talking about both RubyxSapphire and StevenxConnie above)

      Again, we are talking about two children here, romance might be different for them, understood by their appropriate limits.

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    • Actually, while that Almost Kiss in An Indirect Kiss is still likely and possible.

      I believe it was a Fridge Brilliance. Think about it.

      Connie leaned forward for a kiss, but when she was only merely inches away from Steven's face, indirect Kiss happened. Think again.

      That kiss was continued through indirect kiss. That almost kiss was used to emphasize the indirect kiss.

      See? Crewniverse are genius. Not only that used it for the episode's story, but also left a big hint, and the fandom found it appealing and enjoyable, thus the ship Stonnie gained a lot of shippers. And until now, after the episodes Fusion Cuisine, ALONE TOGETHER, Full Disclosure, OPEN BOOK, Sworn to the Sword, WE NEED TO TALK and STEVEN'S BIRTHDAY... Connverse is still the one most shipped pairing in the show, presumably just below Rupphire. And believe it or not, almost everytime, many already considered it canon. And because it was, some felt obligated to ship it. But there are some who don't care, and even hate it. (from rival ships)

      But no one can deny the pure, young, innocent they have for each other. It may not the one that defines their relationship, but still, romance exists between these two children, expressed or shown in their own ways.

      Oh yeah, Garnet (and her VA) ships it too. Oh, and also Katie Mitroff (the Crewniverse's match maker), Kat Morris (the one who created Connie's character), Jasmin Lai, and maybe even Alex Hirsch and Disney...

      (back in-show)... Lars, Amethyst, Pearl and Jamie...

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    • (different responses to past responses)

      (about familiar characters from Feast)

      But can't you see the striking resemblance? From their appearance, complexion, clothing...? They definitely look like adult Steven and Connie. Actually, both cartoons were in production in the same year 2012-2014. Who knows? There might be a secret connection between CN or Disney. Or atleast there were a crew member who worked on both.

      PS That dog is secretly Lion in disguise and no one will ever convince me otherwise~


      (Connie: Steven's Girlfriend?!)

      Oh yeah, then they introduced Connie, in a underlyingly dramatic and FEELsy episode, Steven initially acted akwardly around here, Connie almost kissed him, Stevonnie... all those moments.

      It's already season 2 and there were no girl close to that role but Connie. They are developing their friendship for the sake of their future plan for Connie and his best friend Steven, will be together as an official couple, when they are older, duh. Best romances starts from best friendships. Epic romances starts from epic friendships, afterall.

      They can't just make Connie as Steven's girlfriend quickly after she was introduced. It will be blunt, and just defy the qualities of relationships in the show. And because the storyline doesn't need that role, yet.


      (Romantic Friendship)

      Then how do you describe romantic friendship? Just because there's flirting doesn't necessarily mean ludus.

      Romantic friendship is basically friendship with acknowledged romantic feelings. With both phileo and eros love. Which distinguishes it from purely romantic relationships.

      Flirting or courting is just common for both variants of romantic relationships.

      Also, learn that type of love and types of relationships are different, altho associated.

      PS I'm not saying that Steven and Connie have romantic friendship, just not yet.

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    • (I promise that this is the last for today, sorry If I'm torturing you with lots of posts to read >:3)

      I was just researching more and more about loves and I noticed one thing.

      Actually, it's Four Loves: Affection/Family, Friendship, Romance, and Unconditional Love.

      And also, there are six styles of romantic love: eros, ludus/ludas(?), storge, pragma, mania, and agape

      Not that I'm connecting it to Steven and Connie (which is definitely not eros for now, cuz... *shivers* too much for children... although all eros, ludus and phileo combined might fit for them)

      Which is why I prefer staying with Romantic and Platonic (familial, friendship, etc.)


      And oh yeah, like I said, Steven and Connie love each other as friends, but they never realized that they have romantic feelings for each other. Romantic feelings and Romantic Love aren't the same. Romantic feelings are the foundation of romantic love, but can be not romantic love itself.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: (I promise that this is the last for today, sorry If I'm torturing you with lots of posts to read >:3)

      I was just researching more and more about loves and I noticed one thing.

      Actually, it's Four Loves: Affection/Family, Friendship, Romance, and Unconditional Love.

      And also, there are six styles of romantic love: eros, ludus/ludas(?), storge, pragma, mania, and agape

      Not that I'm connecting it to Steven and Connie (which is definitely not eros for now, cuz... *shivers* too much for children... although all eros, ludus and phileo combined might fit for them)

      Which is why I prefer staying with Romantic and Platonic (familial, friendship, etc.)


      And oh yeah, like I said, Steven and Connie love each other as friends, but they never realized that they have romantic feelings for each other. Romantic feelings and Romantic Love aren't the same. Romantic feelings are the foundation of romantic love, but can be not romantic love itself.

      I really wish to take that seriously. Except it literally only described eros as romance. The rest were simply describing what love meant.

      As for romantic feelings and love, to my knowledge, have not pointed out how one feels an emotion without the root of the emotion. It would be like being afraid, but no fear. Feeling love, but not having love. It is logical fallacy, non sequitur. If romantic feelings come not from romantic love, I suggest they check whether it is truly romantic love, because an effect comes not before the cause. Your suggestion implies a Looking-Glass world, which while is theoretically possible given an Alice-Universe view of spacetime, I believe is sufficiently agreed by us to not be the case.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: (different responses to past responses)

      (about familiar characters from Feast)

      But can't you see the striking resemblance? From their appearance, complexion, clothing...? They definitely look like adult Steven and Connie. Actually, both cartoons were in production in the same year 2012-2014. Who knows? There might be a secret connection between CN or Disney. Or atleast there were a crew member who worked on both.

      PS That dog is secretly Lion in disguise and no one will ever convince me otherwise~


      (Connie: Steven's Girlfriend?!)

      Oh yeah, then they introduced Connie, in a underlyingly dramatic and FEELsy episode, Steven initially acted akwardly around here, Connie almost kissed him, Stevonnie... all those moments.

      It's already season 2 and there were no girl close to that role but Connie. They are developing their friendship for the sake of their future plan for Connie and his best friend Steven, will be together as an official couple, when they are older, duh. Best romances starts from best friendships. Epic romances starts from epic friendships, afterall.

      They can't just make Connie as Steven's girlfriend quickly after she was introduced. It will be blunt, and just defy the qualities of relationships in the show. And because the storyline doesn't need that role, yet.


      (Romantic Friendship)

      Then how do you describe romantic friendship? Just because there's flirting doesn't necessarily mean ludus.

      Romantic friendship is basically friendship with acknowledged romantic feelings. With both phileo and eros love. Which distinguishes it from purely romantic relationships.

      Flirting or courting is just common for both variants of romantic relationships.

      Also, learn that type of love and types of relationships are different, altho associated.

      PS I'm not saying that Steven and Connie have romantic friendship, just not yet.

      Feast: Really? Mixed racial relationship and a shirt on a different production crew that would suggest the secret crewniverse opinions on the stevonnie relationship is the proof of stevonnie? Complexions like that being married is normal in todays society, and it's not like a star is an uncommon shape in 'Merica.

      So you are suggesting they immediately had romantic feelings, and thus romantic love? As for jumping into relationships, teenagers do that all the time. Overall, your statement implies that the crewniverse and their storyboard ideas must be represented in their product. It's season two. I like planning years ahead as much as the next guy, but eventually there is a point where you can look back and see something that works better.

      So you are supplying that they will have eros and phileo? That they can have friendship, but yet have strong romantic feelings for each other, but it won't ever go anywhere? That it would just stay friends? That's ludus, its not serious love. As for relationships and love, i know the difference. Love type helps to define the type of relationship.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: Actually, while that Almost Kiss in An Indirect Kiss is still likely and possible.

      I believe it was a Fridge Brilliance. Think about it.

      Connie leaned forward for a kiss, but when she was only merely inches away from Steven's face, indirect Kiss happened. Think again.

      That kiss was continued through indirect kiss. That almost kiss was used to emphasize the indirect kiss.

      See? Crewniverse are genius. Not only that used it for the episode's story, but also left a big hint, and the fandom found it appealing and enjoyable, thus the ship Stonnie gained a lot of shippers. And until now, after the episodes Fusion Cuisine, ALONE TOGETHER, Full Disclosure, OPEN BOOK, Sworn to the Sword, WE NEED TO TALK and STEVEN'S BIRTHDAY... Connverse is still the one most shipped pairing in the show, presumably just below Rupphire. And believe it or not, almost everytime, many already considered it canon. And because it was, some felt obligated to ship it. But there are some who don't care, and even hate it. (from rival ships)

      But no one can deny the pure, young, innocent they have for each other. It may not the one that defines their relationship, but still, romance exists between these two children, expressed or shown in their own ways.

      Oh yeah, Garnet (and her VA) ships it too. Oh, and also Katie Mitroff (the Crewniverse's match maker), Kat Morris (the one who created Connie's character), Jasmin Lai, and maybe even Alex Hirsch and Disney...

      (back in-show)... Lars, Amethyst, Pearl and Jamie...

      Or that almost kids was meant to represent the foil of the romance cliche you are expecting. They don't need to kiss. They have a unique relationship that goes beyond that. Not to mention the fact that people there age respond differently to such actions...

      All those examples can also be foils to counter the shows ships. But with ambivalent perspective, one can choose whether the crewniverse wants connverse or not, allowing both connverse shippers and stapis, stevidot, etc. to enjoy and think the show is allowing the hsip.

      Proof of all those other shippers?

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote: I know they arent common terms, but they are common loves. If i said platonic the whole time, it isnt specific.

      Really? They don't realize it, but we can recognize them and there feeling sbetter than we can? The fanons state they never knew because they can't be known to have it in the canon, so they use that as a valid go around.

      Really? The flowers, blushing, looking into each other, none of that applies? I feel like those elements of parallels should drop from garnet parallel to if we can drop pearlmethyst.

      They have romantci feelings, confirmed by crewniverse. Thats how we know. We can definitely apply more examples of less ambiguous love from them, but that is less ambiguous, and they werent friends first.

      Romantic love create bonds create feelings. You are trying to get around the garnet rule by putting the cart before the horse. Romance is a type of love, if they have feelings of that love, THEY MUST have that love. You arent afraid if you have no fear. Same with love. So you have to show they ahve romantic love and prefer it to their phileo, and portray as such without using parallels that apply to platonic pairs. Agreeable?

      (Also, have I been seeming more aggressive near this end?

      Platonic already had familial, friendship and other loves. Romantic deserves its own major division, for it's one of the largest genre and concept/topic of all time.

      I already thought that they never realized the existent romantic feelings they had before I got into fanon.

      It's still possible. We only recognise them by the way we see the story, context clues, tropes and any possible forms of evidences. This is a show, a story, not real life.

      Their fanon fics are canon compliant, they write a fic from how they interpret the story, which in my opinion, are mostly accurate.

      Them not realizing romantic feelings is still possible, and I only showed that fic as an example.

      They never realized it because of several factors: they're kids, most of them can't really recognise romantic feelings when they felt it, even Ruby and Sapphire never did until Rose came; they shrugged it off, for not recognising that it's actually romance.

      Even if they did realized these romantic feelings, they shrugged it off temporarily, for they thought the other one may not feel the same way, but what they don't know is that they actually feel the same way. It wouldn't take much time for them to notice it.


      Like I said, Pearlmethyst is most likely a ship tease, since it was only ONCE. But in Steven and Connie, it recieved quite a lot since Bubble Buddies. But in Alone Together, they aren't kidding anymore. Stevonnie's existence and its promising parallels with Garnet reassured this. And also their burgeoning relationship.


      How did we know that Rupphire was romantic from the start? They kissed on-screen oml, The Gay Hold™, and two whole songs about it. We really need to accept obvious outright things sometimes. And that confirmation from Crewniverse is just a reassurance for those few people (mostly haters) who still think otherwise.

      Except that it's not what I meant about romantic feelings. Romantic feelings are those butterflies on your stomach. It's what makes you want to stare at their eyes forever. It's what makes you romantically attracted to someone. It's what makes you want to not leave their side. It's those romantic feelings that you barely understand or recognize. Those feelings are something entirely new...

      (oh btw, I'm talking about both RubyxSapphire and StevenxConnie above)

      Again, we are talking about two children here, romance might be different for them, understood by their appropriate limits.

      Contradiction. You led with the fact that they already have platonic love with multiple types, but yet romance already has such a large following. If it has a following, it doesnt need more.

      If it is a story, how can we prove direct romance without direct evidence?

      Steven and connie have magical and book-wise experience to add to their age of maturity, and that other user pointed out people their age recognize if they are in love. Of course, identifying it as love might be difficult, but that is where there added experience jumps in.

      Shrugged it off? Nope. They mixed and matched and melded their feeligns into the fusion stevonnie. I may be going backwards in reading posts, so beg my pardon, but I do not see why my stevonnie proof does not represent their aversion to their preference to romantic love.

      Oh, do you need more pearlmathyst evidence? Cuz I can throw doen more pearlmathyst evidence. Tbh, there is a whole page on the fanon filled with proof. I can bring some here, if you think it was just once.

      I can't tell half the time when you describe romantic feelings. Half the time you describe eros, another half you basically describe just superficial attraction. That makes it hard to refute, so if you could clarify, that would be nice, so i don't accidentally call it just superficiality instead of roamntic love, because romantic feelings is a little vague, and if you meant superficial attraction as romantic feeligns that would be awkward to be confused for four threads.

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    • Perlen297 wrote: The point of this thread is to invite a response, to discover the depths of Steven and Connie's relationship, and prove the existence of romance of any forms within them.


      This said, I'll rebuild the different major claims of the pro-romantic Connverse side, or atleast mine:

      • They have unconscious romantic feelings for each other, but that they never realised it, yet.
      • They love each other as friends, but like each other romantically. Simply a romantic crush. A secret crush they prefer keep until they notice that the other one felt the same way.
      • Nevertheless, romance exist within them, in any possible forms.

      Ok then. Simple enough.

      1) they should recognize it given their magical and book wise exoertise on the subject of love.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      3)See #2

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      PeridotThePerky wrote: There is one piece of evidence that makes me think that Steven really does have romantic FEELINGS for each other and that is from the episode "Nightmare Hospital". 

      "Keep your hands off MY Connie!" Steven says. This one line really seals the deal for me, at least. I once saw this humourus Tumblr post in which they point out scene where someone calls another person "theirs". (The punchline was Amethyst saying "Mi Torta!" if you need to know.) Ruby said that to Sapphire (or something very similar to that, at least) and Rose said it to Pearl. Both of these relationships had involved at least one side feeling romantic feelings towards the other.

      Like Perlen has pointed out multiple time, Connverse has so many similarities to Rupphire, it isn't even funny. I think our side has quite an overwhelming amount of evidence, and most people would agree. Connie and Steven love each other romantically, even if the don't realize it yet. 

      (BTW This thread inspired me to get up and write a trashy Connverse fanfiction.)

      The evidence is circumstantial tho, and thus I am nonetheless still correct. As for possesive word choice, that can still happen with family relationships, friends, etc.

      You're correct?! wow, I'm pretty sure no one is still correct here.

      Except, it was romantic, but as a ship tease. Given that Steven might not have thought much about it. It being romantic, supported by consistent overwhelming amount of nods in-show, still make sense, although contrary to my personal belief.


      "Connie and Steven love each other romantically, even if the don't realize it yet."

      Why I haven't thought of this before?! It all makes sense! They romantically love each other, but they haven't realized it yet!

      eh, not really, I still have some doubts about this "romantic love" on Steven and Connie, but still, romance exists within them nevertheless.

      Yea, because I have not been proved unable to be correct with my theory. Only circumstantial evidence has been present, and my dodging that prevents being disproven.

      You have doubts in romantic love? How do you suggest they have romantic feeligns if they dont have romantic love, unless you are considering superficial attraction and that emotion romantic feeling.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      You can't choose to love. I agree.

      Yea, where did you see rupphire as just friends? Stevonnie tested out potential to be together in unity, they disliked it. Garnet was formed, they kept on trying to refuse. Foil.

      Yes, I am aware of nuances meaning.

      No, friendships can form from romance. If you wish me to elaborate on the phileo branching from eros, go ahead.

      So you claim the instantly seeing each other and him coming to her is platonic? As well as the rest of the first few stevonnie moments? Cuz I agree too, glad we do. It may be different, but it may be even mire different by being seen as soulmates, and just being friends. Best friends.

      Kids can have romance. It is not sexual, that is for sure, but they can express it in an appropriate way.

      What I actually meant by that is that... They never intently loved romantically. Or they never thought of loving each other romantically, tho they might have small crushes.

      We're talking about relationships here, not types of love. Friendships is formed by default or naturally, like when you met someone and you became friends with them.

      But romance? That is formed from several factors, when you have crush on someone, fell in love with them, or just romantic feelings.

      Friendship can form from romance. Romance can form from friendships. Same thing.

      Uh... what? You believe it was romantic?

      I disagreed that it was romantic in Bubble Buddies. But if there really is, just a little crush.

      But All those Stevonnie moments reassured that that crush never go away, it's still there.

      Kids can express romance in their own ways. Even though I believe, by this discussion, that they never expressed romance, but they experienced it, felt it. They felt something entirely new.


      I think you misunderstood the parallels. It only "parallels" to friendship relationships in the show for the reason that it's friendship, all friendships are similar. So of course they'll parallel with 'em.

      But despite of that, they actually parallels with romantic relationships. With Ruby and Sapphire the most, being perfect, spontaneous fusions of love + moment parallels. With Pearlrose, being knights and stuff, but avoided in the end of Sworn to the Sword, so there goes that parallel. With RosexGreg, being interspecies romance + more that I prefer saving for last... And LarsxSadie, being friends, but deep inside having romantic feeligs + one moment parallel.

      They also parallel with other platonic, familial relationships. Parallels does not a proof make. You can compare them, and thus say that is similar, but that does not rpove they are similar kn all such methods. E.g. Rupphire could be a romantic version of connverse

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Perlen297 wrote: The point of this thread is to invite a response, to discover the depths of Steven and Connie's relationship, and prove the existence of romance of any forms within them.


      This said, I'll rebuild the different major claims of the pro-romantic Connverse side, or atleast mine:

      • They have unconscious romantic feelings for each other, but that they never realised it, yet.
      • They love each other as friends, but like each other romantically. Simply a romantic crush. A secret crush they prefer keep until they notice that the other one felt the same way.
      • Nevertheless, romance exist within them, in any possible forms.
      Ok then. Simple enough.

      1) they should recognize it given their magical and book wise exoertise on the subject of love.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      3)See #2

      After a long period, I'm back with rebutals

      1) So? They read books based on love, that doesn't mean they understand love completely. I read books about kids who want mystery and adventure, that doesn't mean I immediatly know how said adventures and mysteries start and happen in real life.

      2) They could have unconcious (or subconcious) crushes on each other, and they couldn't realize it.

      3) Again, they don't nessacerily have to show to eachother how they feel. I had a crush once, it was hard for me to tell her, in fear of embarrasment.

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Perlen297 wrote: The point of this thread is to invite a response, to discover the depths of Steven and Connie's relationship, and prove the existence of romance of any forms within them.


      This said, I'll rebuild the different major claims of the pro-romantic Connverse side, or atleast mine:

      • They have unconscious romantic feelings for each other, but that they never realised it, yet.
      • They love each other as friends, but like each other romantically. Simply a romantic crush. A secret crush they prefer keep until they notice that the other one felt the same way.
      • Nevertheless, romance exist within them, in any possible forms.
      Ok then. Simple enough.

      1) they should recognize it given their magical and book wise exoertise on the subject of love.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      3)See #2

      After a long period, I'm back with rebutals

      1) So? They read books based on love, that doesn't mean they understand love completely. I read books about kids who want mystery and adventure, that doesn't mean I immediatly know how said adventures and mysteries start and happen in real life.

      2) They could have unconcious (or subconcious) crushes on each other, and they couldn't realize it.

      3) Again, they don't nessacerily have to show to eachother how they feel. I had a crush once, it was hard for me to tell her, in fear of embarrasment.

      1) Still not a counter to stevens magical love awareness from his gem. And actually yes. I was aware of how such adventures and msyteries started when I was younger than them. As far as romance goes, I dont see how she wouldnt be able to recognize it, she is a very intelligent girl.

      2) I fthey did, then my stevonnie example would still not be the case.

      3) they were in stevonnie, they would recognize it. As for that situation, I likewise have been in such a situation, and even if I was embarrassed, I would recognize the situation. Doesn't prove romance exists between them, as they would recognize it

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Ok then. Simple enough.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      One of the Crewniverse revealed that fusions don't share thoughts like that. Think of Sardonyx in Cry for Help. Just because they fused didn't mean that Garnet knew Pearl was lying.

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    • BCPrincess73 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Ok then. Simple enough.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      One of the Crewniverse revealed that fusions don't share thoughts like that. Think of Sardonyx in Cry for Help. Just because they fused didn't mean that Garnet knew Pearl was lying.

      I was more referring to their embodiment. Being in such unity is used as a symbol for utmost eros in many cultures, whether by marriage or more intimate action. Them being fused would test this, and thus reveal such interaction.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      BCPrincess73 wrote:


      Aptos wrote:

      Ok then. Simple enough.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      One of the Crewniverse revealed that fusions don't share thoughts like that. Think of Sardonyx in Cry for Help. Just because they fused didn't mean that Garnet knew Pearl was lying.
      I was more referring to their embodiment. Being in such unity is used as a symbol for utmost eros in many cultures, whether by marriage or more intimate action. Them being fused would test this, and thus reveal such interaction.

      I don't understand. In what way would it reveal anything? You can't tell that Garnet is in love unless she unfuses or says something about it, anyway, so I don't see how it would be any different for Stevonnie.

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    • No, it is relevent is such the way that we see both steven and connie preferring to be separate. If they were in love, as I have shown in several posts, they wouldn't prefer to be separate friends, they would want to be together p, to be the answer or blah.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Perlen297 wrote: The point of this thread is to invite a response, to discover the depths of Steven and Connie's relationship, and prove the existence of romance of any forms within them.


      This said, I'll rebuild the different major claims of the pro-romantic Connverse side, or atleast mine:

      • They have unconscious romantic feelings for each other, but that they never realised it, yet.
      • They love each other as friends, but like each other romantically. Simply a romantic crush. A secret crush they prefer keep until they notice that the other one felt the same way.
      • Nevertheless, romance exist within them, in any possible forms.
      Ok then. Simple enough.

      1) they should recognize it given their magical and book wise exoertise on the subject of love.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      3)See #2

      After a long period, I'm back with rebutals

      1) So? They read books based on love, that doesn't mean they understand love completely. I read books about kids who want mystery and adventure, that doesn't mean I immediatly know how said adventures and mysteries start and happen in real life.

      2) They could have unconcious (or subconcious) crushes on each other, and they couldn't realize it.

      3) Again, they don't nessacerily have to show to eachother how they feel. I had a crush once, it was hard for me to tell her, in fear of embarrasment.

      1) Still not a counter to stevens magical love awareness from his gem. And actually yes. I was aware of how such adventures and msyteries started when I was younger than them. As far as romance goes, I dont see how she wouldnt be able to recognize it, she is a very intelligent girl.

      2) I fthey did, then my stevonnie example would still not be the case.

      3) they were in stevonnie, they would recognize it. As for that situation, I likewise have been in such a situation, and even if I was embarrassed, I would recognize the situation. Doesn't prove romance exists between them, as they would recognize it

      1) In the book, yes. But I still don't know how mysteries and adventures could work/start in real life. A romantic relationship/feeling is a mystery and adventure in itself.

      2) Stevonnie is, necesarily, both of them mixed together. If they share the unconcious/subconcious crushes towards eachother, then Stevonnie would as well.

      3) If you have a crush on someone, you don't have to neseccarily notice. Also, I'm using unconcious/subconcious romance here, so if they don't recognize it on themselves, the likelihood of Stevonnie recognizing it is low.

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    • Aptos wrote:
      No, it is relevent is such the way that we see both steven and connie preferring to be separate. If they were in love, as I have shown in several posts, they wouldn't prefer to be separate friends, they would want to be together p, to be the answer or blah.

      And yet you bring up 'Pearlmethyst is Canon', which is contradicted in this post, since they don't form Opal all the time.

      Anyways, not every Gem has to go through the Garnet route. Right now, they are the best friends either of them have ever had, and being Stevonnie all the time can change that, since they know that they can't play with eachother. Being kids, they don't have to be in a serious relationship.

      (Also, most of us agree that they DO have crushes, but don't realize it now.~)

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:
      No, it is relevent is such the way that we see both steven and connie preferring to be separate. If they were in love, as I have shown in several posts, they wouldn't prefer to be separate friends, they would want to be together p, to be the answer or blah.

      And yet you bring up 'Pearlmethyst is Canon', which is contradicted in this post, since they don't form Opal all the time.

      Anyways, not every Gem has to go through the Garnet route. Right now, they are the best friends either of them have ever had, and being Stevonnie all the time can change that, since they know that they can't play with eachother. Being kids, they don't have to be in a serious relationship.

      (Also, most of us agree that they DO have crushes, but don't realize it now.~)

      Nay nay, i bring up pearlmethyst is not canon. See the difference? Not to mention if they were in love, they wouldn't form Opal because they are unstable.

      Ah, but if they aren't taking it serious it is ludus, not eros. Not romance

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    • I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Perlen297 wrote: The point of this thread is to invite a response, to discover the depths of Steven and Connie's relationship, and prove the existence of romance of any forms within them.


      This said, I'll rebuild the different major claims of the pro-romantic Connverse side, or atleast mine:

      • They have unconscious romantic feelings for each other, but that they never realised it, yet.
      • They love each other as friends, but like each other romantically. Simply a romantic crush. A secret crush they prefer keep until they notice that the other one felt the same way.
      • Nevertheless, romance exist within them, in any possible forms.
      Ok then. Simple enough.

      1) they should recognize it given their magical and book wise exoertise on the subject of love.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      3)See #2

      After a long period, I'm back with rebutals

      1) So? They read books based on love, that doesn't mean they understand love completely. I read books about kids who want mystery and adventure, that doesn't mean I immediatly know how said adventures and mysteries start and happen in real life.

      2) They could have unconcious (or subconcious) crushes on each other, and they couldn't realize it.

      3) Again, they don't nessacerily have to show to eachother how they feel. I had a crush once, it was hard for me to tell her, in fear of embarrasment.

      1) Still not a counter to stevens magical love awareness from his gem. And actually yes. I was aware of how such adventures and msyteries started when I was younger than them. As far as romance goes, I dont see how she wouldnt be able to recognize it, she is a very intelligent girl.

      2) I fthey did, then my stevonnie example would still not be the case.

      3) they were in stevonnie, they would recognize it. As for that situation, I likewise have been in such a situation, and even if I was embarrassed, I would recognize the situation. Doesn't prove romance exists between them, as they would recognize it

      1) In the book, yes. But I still don't know how mysteries and adventures could work/start in real life. A romantic relationship/feeling is a mystery and adventure in itself.

      2) Stevonnie is, necesarily, both of them mixed together. If they share the unconcious/subconcious crushes towards eachother, then Stevonnie would as well.

      3) If you have a crush on someone, you don't have to neseccarily notice. Also, I'm using unconcious/subconcious romance here, so if they don't recognize it on themselves, the likelihood of Stevonnie recognizing it is low.

      1. really? Well what kind of adventure or mystery, I could explain. And I'm fairly sure connie is smarter than I.

      2. If they did, then they woudl enjoy it. Thus, as they do not, they are not. Therefore, they arent feeling roamntic.

      3. Stevonnie feels. She is their passion, she should recognize their passion.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      I-Ship-Stevidot wrote:

      Aptos wrote:
      No, it is relevent is such the way that we see both steven and connie preferring to be separate. If they were in love, as I have shown in several posts, they wouldn't prefer to be separate friends, they would want to be together p, to be the answer or blah.
      And yet you bring up 'Pearlmethyst is Canon', which is contradicted in this post, since they don't form Opal all the time.

      Anyways, not every Gem has to go through the Garnet route. Right now, they are the best friends either of them have ever had, and being Stevonnie all the time can change that, since they know that they can't play with eachother. Being kids, they don't have to be in a serious relationship.

      (Also, most of us agree that they DO have crushes, but don't realize it now.~)

      Nay nay, i bring up pearlmethyst is not canon. See the difference? Not to mention if they were in love, they wouldn't form Opal because they are unstable.

      Ah, but if they aren't taking it serious it is ludus, not eros. Not romance

      1) Don't patronize me like I'm 5. According to a post, you said:

      "Oh, you need some Pearlmethyst evidence? Well I can bring down more Pearlmethyst evidence. Tbh, there is a whole page on the fanon filled with proof. I can bring some down here, if it was just once."

      That REALLY  implies you want to prove it canon. I'm sorry, but it's true.

      2) Haven't you watched Log Date 7 15 2? Opal is not unstable anymore, Ame and Pearl can fuse fine now (If you don't believe me, compare the first time Pearl and Ame try to fuse on-screen to Log Date 7 15 2). I don't ship Pearlmethyst, btw.

      3) It could also describe Agape. Steven would risk his life for Connie, as would she for him, neither expecting much in return. It is considered a high form of love. It could also describe Storge, which is a friendship-based love, or a mix of both (or all three, whatever).

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    • 1) Sorry, i say nay nay sometimes, i did not mean to patronize you. As for pearlmathyst, if you search a little farther up, you will find the root of the discussion being that while pearlmathyst is NOT canon, there are parallels, thus disproving parallels. Don't make implications sans all the information. However, I should have known this may happen, as that was yesterday, and you were not present.

      The ultimate goal for that was to force perlens logic to make parallels only work with the connection to pearlmathyst, thus they have to prove pearlmathyst. It is easier to disprove that, so it was an effective move. The statement you had me saying shows me supporting pearlmathyst parallels so as to reinforce that point. Context clues.

      2)Opal was stable then because they had a very specific goal and nothing surprised them. If peridot yelled boo, she would likely defuse. Compare Opals appearance fighting big bird with Log date, then compare opals two defusion instances. Totally stable, until something unexpected happens.

      3) agape is universal. As for storge, that is primarily used for familial love, friendship love is generally specified inside that category using phileo. Either way, not eros.

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    • Yes, they have/will have romantic feelings for each other.

      1: Blushing can occur in romantic situations. Count how many times that Steven and Connie have blushed at each other.

      2: The "I want to be a part of your universe" line (said by Connie) from Full Disclosure.

      3: And who can forget all the similarties between Ruby and Sapphire and Steven and Connie? Even if they are camera effects, they are deliberatley put in there to invoke a feeling.

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    • Pikadot wrote: Yes, they have/will have romantic feelings for each other.

      1: Blushing can occur in romantic situations. Count how many times that Steven and Connie have blushed at each other.

      2: The "I want to be a part of your universe" line (said by Connie) from Full Disclosure.

      3: And who can forget all the similarties between Ruby and Sapphire and Steven and Connie? Even if they are camera effects, they are deliberatley put in there to invoke a feeling.

      Please read the above thread. And thread before hand. To shorten to conclusions:

      Blushing is otherwise explained.

      That can be friendhsip.

      That proves no more than pearlmathyst.

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    • Pearlmethyst does't have any parallels with other character ships though, and it's a lone ship... You're forgetting that.

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    • GoldyDragon wrote: Pearlmethyst does't have any parallels with other character ships though, and it's a lone ship... You're forgetting that.

      Read above, already shown examples. If you want even more parallels, go to the fanon wiki.

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    • Aptos wrote:
      1) Sorry, i say nay nay sometimes, i did not mean to patronize you. As for pearlmathyst, if you search a little farther up, you will find the root of the discussion being that while pearlmathyst is NOT canon, there are parallels, thus disproving parallels. Don't make implications sans all the information. However, I should have known this may happen, as that was yesterday, and you were not present.

      The ultimate goal for that was to force perlens logic to make parallels only work with the connection to pearlmathyst, thus they have to prove pearlmathyst. It is easier to disprove that, so it was an effective move. The statement you had me saying shows me supporting pearlmathyst parallels so as to reinforce that point. Context clues.

      2)Opal was stable then because they had a very specific goal and nothing surprised them. If peridot yelled boo, she would likely defuse. Compare Opals appearance fighting big bird with Log date, then compare opals two defusion instances. Totally stable, until something unexpected happens.

      3) agape is universal. As for storge, that is primarily used for familial love, friendship love is generally specified inside that category using phileo. Either way, not eros.

      1) Sorry, I didn't know, I don't really read every long post I see, so I thought you were defending it (no offense if you do ship it). Also, sorry again, I thought you were trying to patronize me for being 13, which is still a young age.

      2) So it's not because they can stand eachother more now? Let me explain: if you had not noticed, Pearl and Amethyst's relationship works better now than it did in Season 1. Pearl doesn't criticize Amethyst's every move, and Amethyst doesn't really make fun of her anymore. Considering they spent literally thousands of years together, the fact that their relationship has grown more in 14 years than it did in centuries says something. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't ship it romantically.

      3) Looked ludus up, it says that there is little intimacy or deep intensity in this...

      ...all I have to say is, really?  Connie literally tried to kiss him. She started training swordfighting simply to protect him, she blushes hard EVERY EPISODE they are in, she LITERALLY cried when she thought Steven was a zygote, she said that she would protect Steven as a baby (which is weird when you think about it romantically).

      Steven strives to protect her since Bubble Buddies, he had called her 'my Connie' (which, unless he's so sexist he thinks that men should own all women again, is adorable), he wanted to be First Man (which he feared would be tarnished if he stayed 8 forever), wanted Connie to be president in the FIRST PLACE, trusted her enough with Rose's Sword, held on to her glow bracelet for her (and before you say you would do that for your friends, remember, he didn't even know Connie's NAME), tagged along with Connie to get his mom's sword back, wanted to help her fight in battles (Parabatai Battle Couple~)'and, remembering Pearl's poofing, made a bubble instinctivally as soon as he saw Holo-Pearl. Maybe it's a combination of Agape and Storge with Eros in the mix, maybe not, but with all this evidence, it's DEFINETLY not ludus.

      (I AM AN ETERNAL FLAME, BABY!)

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    • 1.Its fine, i dislike that ship myself, and no no no, I am a vocal supporter for rights of teenagers. They are the next generation, it is relevant to acknowledge them.

      2.I would say that there relationship is better, but opal is still unstable. As for why they didn't grow, my theory is rose was too accepting of there flaws and agreements, so they never grew as people since rose saw nothing wrong with their relationship.

      3. Yea. That's why I am saying phileo. But suggesting that they aren't serious enough to have a future romantically but still love sach other romantically is phileo with ludus. Hence, perlen would be incorrect in his suggestion. Thanks for making another side, now it is interesting.

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    • Aptos wrote:
      1.Its fine, i dislike that ship myself, and no no no, I am a vocal supporter for rights of teenagers. They are the next generation, it is relevant to acknowledge them.

      2.I would say that there relationship is better, but opal is still unstable. As for why they didn't grow, my theory is rose was too accepting of there flaws and agreements, so they never grew as people since rose saw nothing wrong with their relationship.

      3. Yea. That's why I am saying phileo. But suggesting that they aren't serious enough to have a future romantically but still love sach other romantically is phileo with ludus. Hence, perlen would be incorrect in his suggestion. Thanks for making another side, now it is interesting.

      1) Again, sorry (Also, technically I'm a preteenager, but still the same nonetheless.)

      2) I'm confused as why you didn't explain how Opal is unstable (If it's because she was larger, a member of the Crewniverse confirmed that fusions change size for the reason they are fusing (e.g., Malachite fusing out of force and anger, so she's huge, Garnet fusing for love, so she's relatively small, and Stevonnie fusing both on accidents, so she's the smallest fusion. I don't have the link, sorry). I don't know how to feel about the Rose theory, though, since she found something wrong with her and Greg immediatly (he lives shorter), so I don't think she would ignore Pearl and Amethyst's relationship for 6000 years. Maybe Amethyst and Pearl just were friends until Rose's death, like Ame and Greg (Don't know how that would work, though...)

      3) I sorta agree, phileo mixed with agape and some eros would fit more than plain ludus, since they have shown that they passed ludus a long time ago. About the other side, I guess I should say:

      Hello from the other siiide...

      I must've called a thousand tiimes...

      To tell you I'm... sorry... for everything that I've done...

      But when I call you, you never

      Seem to be home

      Anymore

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    • 1) No problem, but teenager is technically the youngest for a user, as thirtteen is a teenager.

      2) She is unstable because of the fact she is not stable. She breaks apart upon saying hello. As for rose, that is simply her compassion for greg, greg shouldnt do that if he will die. While pearl and amethyst would mostly interact with rose.

      3) Cool. So I say phileo with pragma, and maybe a tint of mild ludus on occasion. You say phileo with agape and eros. Perlen sais phileo with either ludus or eros. However, I have countered there suggestion of phileo with just eros, and you argue no ludus, so thusly perlen is refuted?

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    • Aptos wrote:
      1) No problem, but teenager is technically the youngest for a user, as thirtteen is a teenager.

      2) She is unstable because of the fact she is not stable. She breaks apart upon saying hello. As for rose, that is simply her compassion for greg, greg shouldnt do that if he will die. While pearl and amethyst would mostly interact with rose.

      3) Cool. So I say phileo with pragma, and maybe a tint of mild ludus on occasion. You say phileo with agape and eros. Perlen sais phileo with either ludus or eros. However, I have countered there suggestion of phileo with just eros, and you argue no ludus, so thusly perlen is refuted?

      1) Yeah, but 13 is widely not considered a teenager age for some reason.

      2) She doesn't really do that anymore. In the most recent (canon) appearences, Opal unfused because the purpose in which she needed to fuse was lost (e.g., throwing an arrow at a spaceship (which didn't work) and fixing the drill.) Seriously, though, how did they not bond in the centuries they've known eachother?

      3) I wouldn't say pragma, they weren't looking for someone with certain characteristics (Unlike Pearl, who is looking for someone that has the characteristic of being Rose Quartz). Phileo mixed with Ludus would be the exact opposite of what he's trying to imply, since those are both friendship kind of love, so romance would be out of the question. Phileo mixed with just eros doesn't make sense to me, since they also share the agape trope as well. So... yes?

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    • 1) Then they need a logic check. The terminology is based on the etymology of those who have completed a number of years ending with the suffix of teen, and no more years than that. Obviously.

      2) No, there have been three known times opal formed. Once to save steven, but unfused when they remembered the beetle and got mixed feelings. To attack homeworld and their ship, but defused when seeing steven and had mixed feelings. To put on the drill, unfused as they had finished. Opal has always been stable because she is focused and forgetful. If she wants to stay fused, and gets surprised or mixed feelings, poof.

      3) Pragma is love of long-lasting bonds, what did you think it was? As for the others, he claimed ludus was romantic, and so you agree?

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    • Aptos wrote:
      1) Then they need a logic check. The terminology is based on the etymology of those who have completed a number of years ending with the suffix of teen, and no more years than that. Obviously.

      2) No, there have been three known times opal formed. Once to save steven, but unfused when they remembered the beetle and got mixed feelings. To attack homeworld and their ship, but defused when seeing steven and had mixed feelings. To put on the drill, unfused as they had finished. Opal has always been stable because she is focused and forgetful. If she wants to stay fused, and gets surprised or mixed feelings, poof.

      3) Pragma is love of long-lasting bonds, what did you think it was? As for the others, he claimed ludus was romantic, and so you agree?

      1) I was originally confused on the subject, since 13 has the word 'teen' in it, but 14 is the widely considered age for being a teen.

      2) THAT's what you meant. I thought you meant Pearl and Amethyst's relationship was still unstable, or you were talking about her increase in height.

      3) I read somewhere (aka 'Romance: Styles of Love') that pragma referred to the practical or logical love in which someone actively searches for a partner with certain qualities. (Link: https://www.cyberparent.com/romance/romance-love-styles). I can agree that it's not really ludus, since ludus is the kind where there are playful interactions, but little intamicy or deep intensity, so it's not 'romantic'.

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    • 1) Those people are very counterintuitive. I suggest they learn etymology.....or logic.

      2) Yea, Opal unstable.

      3) That one website is the only one I have heard of that claims that. http://www.greece.greekreporter.com/2014/01/09/the-ancient-greeks-6-types-of-love/

      Enjoy that. This one portrays the more common, more accurate presentation of the concept. They perceive ludus as romantic though.

      (Edit: Link is weird. Just try greece.greekreporter.com/2014/01/09/the-ancient-greeks-6-types-of-love/ with the necessary additions)

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Or that almost kids was meant to represent the foil of the romance cliche you are expecting. They don't need to kiss. They have a unique relationship that goes beyond that. Not to mention the fact that people there age respond differently to such actions...

      All those examples can also be foils to counter the shows ships. But with ambivalent perspective, one can choose whether the crewniverse wants connverse or not, allowing both connverse shippers and stapis, stevidot, etc. to enjoy and think the show is allowing the hsip.

      Proof of all those other shippers?

      That's not the point.

      Or that almost kiss was meant to represent love that takes time and takes work.

      And I'm pretty sure you're expecting them to kiss just to convince yourself that it was romantic all the time.

      Seriously tho, can you imagine Steven and Connie smooching in canon as early as that?


      If that kiss happened, their relationship will be much different. They will be awkward around each other, maybe even forever. Stevonnie will never be formed. Their friendship will be so different, in more or less bad way.

      That almost kiss allowed them to continue their friendship, to follow the funky flow, while little mutual crushes are kept. That one moment, the indirect kiss, shaped them to Steven and Connie now, who just so happened to be more romantic than the scenario when they kissed at that time. A proof that sudden kisses have bad effects on budding romances. Best romances starts from best friendships. Akward romances starts from awkward friendships. Afterall.

      An essay once titled, Steven and Connie: True Love's Indirect Kiss.


      Ohk, you got me... I knew you'll ask that but.. no, I ain't giving spoilers for the ending :>

      Those other shippings are mostly ship tease. In Steven and Connie, with RubyxSapphire, Pearlrose, and RosexGreg, they are sincere, geniune, the show's canon OTPs. (not that I'm against at other shippings)

      All I can say is about Lars, Pearl and Amethyst, who teased SxC in Bubble Buddies. But I'm pretty sure Lars don't anymore.  But Pearl and Amethyst? They were asked not to mess with his funky flow, and what do you know, they followed it obediently. Tho they still seem to ship it. And Garnet too, who just happens to be Stevonnie's #1 fan.

      Those teasings meant that it's so easy to assume that they are a romantic couple. Even the fandom fell for it. Not knowing that love at first sight never exists, love takes time and love takes work~

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    • Aptos wrote:

      As for romantic feelings and love, to my knowledge, have not pointed out how one feels an emotion without the root of the emotion. It would be like being afraid, but no fear. Feeling love, but not having love. It is logical fallacy, non sequitur. If romantic feelings come not from romantic love, I suggest they check whether it is truly romantic love, because an effect comes not before the cause. Your suggestion implies a Looking-Glass world, which while is theoretically possible given an Alice-Universe view of spacetime, I believe is sufficiently agreed by us to not be the case.

      I think you definition of romantic feelings is straight bond and love. Another definition of it, the unconscious and spontaneous romantic feelings, in the other hand, is an energy.

      It's the same energy that makes one people fall in love, but in this case, they are not aware that they are in love. It's the foundation of romantic love, true love, best romances.

      It is triggered in different ways, romantic-ish moments, or maybe a touch in a hand, or in worst cases, jealousy. Falling in love is a mystery, afterall.


      In simpler words, it's hormones, puberty, and physiological stuff.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Feast: Really? Mixed racial relationship and a shirt on a different production crew that would suggest the secret crewniverse opinions on the stevonnie relationship is the proof of stevonnie? Complexions like that being married is normal in todays society, and it's not like a star is an uncommon shape in 'Merica.

      So you are suggesting they immediately had romantic feelings, and thus romantic love? As for jumping into relationships, teenagers do that all the time. Overall, your statement implies that the crewniverse and their storyboard ideas must be represented in their product. It's season two. I like planning years ahead as much as the next guy, but eventually there is a point where you can look back and see something that works better.

      So you are supplying that they will have eros and phileo? That they can have friendship, but yet have strong romantic feelings for each other, but it won't ever go anywhere? That it would just stay friends? That's ludus, its not serious love. As for relationships and love, i know the difference. Love type helps to define the type of relationship.

      I'm not saying that it's straight evidence. Just a connection, a parallel. Does it look like I'm using that as a proof for Stevonnie?

      And you think it's just a coincidence, huh? Well, this is not the last time I'm talking about that... (don't talk about this until I do)


      Actually, it was spread only few months prior to the airing of Bubble Buddies. Also, while Gem Glow premiered, the writers already written Rose's Scabbard, so how much more a while before Bubble Buddies.

      That plan could be from the main story, which is written into outlines which is given to storyboarders. Nothing much is changed, just what minor events in the episode do.

      And coincidentaly, as a responce to the romantic Stevonnie shipping, Estelle said they are gonna be together. And also, Zach never outrightly disproved the romance. Remember that Friendships can have romances too.

      Well, connecting that, to that, it implied that Steven and Connie will be an official couple anytime soon, as early as Season 2 and as late as Season 3. That their plans of Connie being Steven's girlfriend was fulfilled.


      I did say romantic feelings, but not immediate romantic love. And not sudden romantic feelings either. But from a tiny spark.

      I am saying that there will a be a development of their relationship before that happens.


      I never said strong romantic feelings. But, again, a tiny spark. Thus budding romance, from scratch. Those romantic feelings gradually becoming stronger as the series progresses, until the line is crossed.

      I never said that it won't go anywhere. It's a transition from phileo to eros. Detailed and spontaneous. It's a budding romance in friendship. And because of budding romantic feelings, if continued, will blossom into romance. Best romances starts from friendships, well-developed healthy friendships.

      It's not serious yet, it's still phileo. Patience. No sudden kisses, no catharsis junk. It's love that takes time and takes work.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Ok then. Simple enough.

      1) they should recognize it given their magical and book wise exoertise on the subject of love.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      3)See #2

      1. Recognizing romance and recognizing romantic feelings you felt is different. It's still likely to happen. Also considering that most children can't completely recognize romantic feelings, for they thought it's simple as being striked by Cupid's arrow. Or whatever happens in those fairy tales.

      And about that, this is not last time I'm talking about that...


      2. Not really. In fusions, the individual components can still keep secrets to each other, see Sardonyx and Malachite. They share the same body, but not the same mind.

      They only can't reveal it to each other so soon because, well, they don't know how the other one will react, or the other one might not feel the same way. It's a risky decision. Thus they must wait for hints the other one might give, that they are willing.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      They also parallel with other platonic, familial relationships. Parallels does not a proof make. You can compare them, and thus say that is similar, but that does not rpove they are similar kn all such methods. E.g. Rupphire could be a romantic version of connverse

      Give me one moment parallel from a romantic-ish moment from Connverse to a platonic relationship.

      The promising parallels of Rupphire to Connverse would say otherwise. There's actually few parallels that is exactly the same in a parallel sense. Don't ask about that yet, too many spoilers.

      Romantic version? I'm pretty sure Ruby and Sapphire are just friends in The Answer until Rose came. Or maybe even after that. Their relationship could be developed through friendship with budding romance, just like Connverse.

      And oh yeah, Connverse could be the romantic version of Amedot, with that parallel from Bubble Buddies and Too Far.

      And Connverse could be the mutual version of Pearlrose.

      And Connverse could be the younger version of Rock Star. (RosexGreg, fandom being a brilliant ship namer)

      And Connverse, could be the next version, v2.0, of Rupphire. More perfect, more friendship, more developed, more realistic, younger and healthier Fusion of love! Watch now! Only in Steven Universe: Plot? what plot? Romance only and nothing else!

      cuz you know? versions!

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Pikadot wrote: Yes, they have/will have romantic feelings for each other.

      ... 3: And who can forget all the similarties between Ruby and Sapphire and Steven and Connie? Even if they are camera effects, they are deliberatley put in there to invoke a feeling.

      ...

      Please read the above thread. And thread before hand. To shorten to conclusions:

      Blushing is otherwise explained.

      That can be friendhsip.

      That proves no more than pearlmathyst.

      he he, he he, he he *giggling maniacally*

      oh sorry, did I miss something? i was just reading Aptos vs I-ship-stevidot, it was so fun. Or was I? where am I again?

      Oh yeah, it was only a one time parallel in Pearlmethyst, thus no enough parallels to prove anything.... You said it yourself, parallels doesn't suggest exactly the same thing. Connverse could be the romantic version of Pearlmethyst.


      Please read my mind, beforehand. To shorten conclusions:

      Blushing can be otherwise explained from otherwise explanation.

      That can be romance, too.

      That's proves WAY MORE than Pearlmethyst.



      yes! all according to plan! I hope I wasn't being obvious about things, my mind is so full of spoilers... oh wait, can you guys still hear? oh no... uh... pleaseforgeteverythingIsaid! *disappeared in the smokes... actually sneaking out, and ran away*

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    • Nearhza wrote:
      Yo, when I debated with Aptos about this it was lliterally twice as long as this whole thread. He will not be swayed until they like kiss or something. Let's just move on. Trust me. There is no pulling him out of his corner of beliefs. It won't happen, Perlen. I agree with you on almost every single point that you're making, but it'll save you a lot of stress if you just let the plot prove either side (which is likely to be the side of stevonnie) right. I've already told Aptos that I will be handing out I Told You Sos once we find out, because the kid in me will actually feel better when I do. Maybe you'll enjoy it too, but if you just enjoy discourse, then by all means continue. I'm just saying it's pretty pointless.

      It's not about convincing Aptos so change views or beliefs, tho it can be part of the effect, of the ending.

      It's all about discovering the depths of Steven and Connie's relationship. And simply proving the existence of romance, of any forms possible.

      To prove that Steven and Connie truly have romantic feelings.


      It does save stress, but who cares, I am stressed either way!


      I will hand out "I told you So's" too. Because of all those notebooks, papers and tress I wasted, although in the bright side, I discovered that I am actually good at writing. A benefit in writing good fanfics.


      I do enjoy it, a lot. This thread is actually just an excuse for me to talk about Connverse/Stevonnie... now you all got me.

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    • Nearhza wrote:
      This show has lots of anime influence. Blushing is the most common and proven hint at romance in anime. In basically all cartoons about love, a boy and a girl don't blush that much around each other just because they're friends. Why do you think this show is different? That is unprecedented. All of the blushing is proof enough. Steven isn't shy, he doesn't have any problem talking to new people. Especially new alien threats like Peridot. Peridot was way more "enigmatic" than Connie, yet he wanted to meet her and befriend her since she first showed up and even after she proved to be a threat. Steven was different around Connie because he romantically likes her, Connie has every reason to like Connie and the evidence is there too. The plot is throwing their romance in our face in the not so subtle, awkward way that two kids who like each other would experience it. They love each other, and have every reason to. Connie was willing to throw away her life for Steven, and then Sworn to Sword was a complete parallel from Stevonnie and Rose and Pearl. Cloud Connie was evidence too. Connie was about to kiss Steven in indirect kiss. In We Need To Talk Steven was mesmerized by her overly romanticized (in that dancing scene) beauty and the blushing started again. They weren't nervous until their eyes met and they started smiling and blushing. It's romance. Could it be a friendship? Sure. Currently, it is, but that's because there has been no confession and they don't know what to do with those emotions.

      This is what I've urged to say everytime.

      They're also young. They were never any kid who completely knows what to do with those emotions. (romantic feelings, unconscious or not)

      Confessing your romantic feelings for someone isn't easy as just simply talking. They can't just blurt it out like "Steven/Connie, I totally, without doubt, in love with you! Can I be your boyfriend/girlfriend?"

      Of course no, it's not easy. They are afraid of the other one's reaction: they might not feel the same way, they might reject, or even irked out and don't wanna be friends anymore... full of possibilties.

      They cherish their friendship. They don't want to ruin it or make it awkward forever.

      But what they might not know is that the other one actually feel the same way, just waiting for them to take the hint. Once taken, and certain, they will have courage of confessing it.


      They may know romance but that doesn't necessarily mean they can recognize romantic feelings, especially the unconscious/physiological type.

      Even Rose, that exceptionally have emotional consciousness doesn't completely understand romance. Watch We Need To Talk again, you'll know what I mean.


      Steven and Connie's relationship features both friendship and/to romance, a balance between the two, a gradual transition. Their relationship defies all those romance cliches such as being nervous all the time when they're around with them, or showing outright crush and go gaga, romantic all-the-way just to show romance, and all those stuff.

      Their relationships avoids these cliches and went ahead incorporating romance, subtly or not. An uncommon yet not entirely new type of romance. Budding romance that forms from friendship. Showing romance through different ways: from in-show character's opinion, to obvious mutual crush and among all, displaying unconscious romantic feelings. It's a pure, young, innocent attraction. A genuine relationship. A love that takes time, and takes work.

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    • I rewatched and analyzed the interview all over and over again. Only to notice something...

      The interviewee asked a question concerning the romantic shipping of Steven and Connie, but they're young

      The three never said no, they never disproved the romance in them. They were asked about what type of response they have regarding the romantic shipping.

      Rebecca meant that there's nothing wrong about romance of two children, saying it's pure love of children. What's better than that?

      Estelle basically proven the future romance in them, saying that they'll be together, when they're older of course. (in connection with "but they're young")

      Zach never outrightly disproved romance, whatsover. If he really did, he could've have said: there's no romance in them, whatsover, or something like that.

      He said that they'll always stay as friends no matter what happens, unless something happens. (romance is one of the possible meanings of "who knows")

      He implied that even if Steven and Connie will become a couple or not, they'll always stay as friends. Romantic friendship? Being a romantic couple and friends at the same time? Very possible.


      PS BoyFRIEND-GirlFRIENDs are technically still friends. And not to mention that friendships always makes romances better, stronger.

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    • Yea, TL;dr. Honestly, too many posts. I don't have time.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Or that almost kids was meant to represent the foil of the romance cliche you are expecting. They don't need to kiss. They have a unique relationship that goes beyond that. Not to mention the fact that people there age respond differently to such actions...

      All those examples can also be foils to counter the shows ships. But with ambivalent perspective, one can choose whether the crewniverse wants connverse or not, allowing both connverse shippers and stapis, stevidot, etc. to enjoy and think the show is allowing the hsip.

      Proof of all those other shippers?

      That's not the point.

      Or that almost kiss was meant to represent love that takes time and takes work.

      And I'm pretty sure you're expecting them to kiss just to convince yourself that it was romantic all the time.

      Seriously tho, can you imagine Steven and Connie smooching in canon as early as that?


      If that kiss happened, their relationship will be much different. They will be awkward around each other, maybe even forever. Stevonnie will never be formed. Their friendship will be so different, in more or less bad way.

      That almost kiss allowed them to continue their friendship, to follow the funky flow, while little mutual crushes are kept. That one moment, the indirect kiss, shaped them to Steven and Connie now, who just so happened to be more romantic than the scenario when they kissed at that time. A proof that sudden kisses have bad effects on budding romances. Best romances starts from best friendships. Akward romances starts from awkward friendships. Afterall.

      An essay once titled, Steven and Connie: True Love's Indirect Kiss.


      Ohk, you got me... I knew you'll ask that but.. no, I ain't giving spoilers for the ending :>

      Those other shippings are mostly ship tease. In Steven and Connie, with RubyxSapphire, Pearlrose, and RosexGreg, they are sincere, geniune, the show's canon OTPs. (not that I'm against at other shippings)

      All I can say is about Lars, Pearl and Amethyst, who teased SxC in Bubble Buddies. But I'm pretty sure Lars don't anymore.  But Pearl and Amethyst? They were asked not to mess with his funky flow, and what do you know, they followed it obediently. Tho they still seem to ship it. And Garnet too, who just happens to be Stevonnie's #1 fan.

      Those teasings meant that it's so easy to assume that they are a romantic couple. Even the fandom fell for it. Not knowing that love at first sight never exists, love takes time and love takes work~

      Slippery slope fallacy, selective evidence, then don't suggest they have romantic feelings sans romance.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      As for romantic feelings and love, to my knowledge, have not pointed out how one feels an emotion without the root of the emotion. It would be like being afraid, but no fear. Feeling love, but not having love. It is logical fallacy, non sequitur. If romantic feelings come not from romantic love, I suggest they check whether it is truly romantic love, because an effect comes not before the cause. Your suggestion implies a Looking-Glass world, which while is theoretically possible given an Alice-Universe view of spacetime, I believe is sufficiently agreed by us to not be the case.

      I think you definition of romantic feelings is straight bond and love. Another definition of it, the unconscious and spontaneous romantic feelings, in the other hand, is an energy.

      It's the same energy that makes one people fall in love, but in this case, they are not aware that they are in love. It's the foundation of romantic love, true love, best romances.

      It is triggered in different ways, romantic-ish moments, or maybe a touch in a hand, or in worst cases, jealousy. Falling in love is a mystery, afterall.


      In simpler words, it's hormones, puberty, and physiological stuff.

      (Slaps head with palm) I had no idea this whole time you were insisting libido. I figured we wouldn't go there. Apparently we were always there. That changes so much.

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Feast: Really? Mixed racial relationship and a shirt on a different production crew that would suggest the secret crewniverse opinions on the stevonnie relationship is the proof of stevonnie? Complexions like that being married is normal in todays society, and it's not like a star is an uncommon shape in 'Merica.

      So you are suggesting they immediately had romantic feelings, and thus romantic love? As for jumping into relationships, teenagers do that all the time. Overall, your statement implies that the crewniverse and their storyboard ideas must be represented in their product. It's season two. I like planning years ahead as much as the next guy, but eventually there is a point where you can look back and see something that works better.

      So you are supplying that they will have eros and phileo? That they can have friendship, but yet have strong romantic feelings for each other, but it won't ever go anywhere? That it would just stay friends? That's ludus, its not serious love. As for relationships and love, i know the difference. Love type helps to define the type of relationship.

      I'm not saying that it's straight evidence. Just a connection, a parallel. Does it look like I'm using that as a proof for Stevonnie?

      And you think it's just a coincidence, huh? Well, this is not the last time I'm talking about that... (don't talk about this until I do)


      Actually, it was spread only few months prior to the airing of Bubble Buddies. Also, while Gem Glow premiered, the writers already written Rose's Scabbard, so how much more a while before Bubble Buddies.

      That plan could be from the main story, which is written into outlines which is given to storyboarders. Nothing much is changed, just what minor events in the episode do.

      And coincidentaly, as a responce to the romantic Stevonnie shipping, Estelle said they are gonna be together. And also, Zach never outrightly disproved the romance. Remember that Friendships can have romances too.

      Well, connecting that, to that, it implied that Steven and Connie will be an official couple anytime soon, as early as Season 2 and as late as Season 3. That their plans of Connie being Steven's girlfriend was fulfilled.


      I did say romantic feelings, but not immediate romantic love. And not sudden romantic feelings either. But from a tiny spark.

      I am saying that there will a be a development of their relationship before that happens.


      I never said strong romantic feelings. But, again, a tiny spark. Thus budding romance, from scratch. Those romantic feelings gradually becoming stronger as the series progresses, until the line is crossed.

      I never said that it won't go anywhere. It's a transition from phileo to eros. Detailed and spontaneous. It's a budding romance in friendship. And because of budding romantic feelings, if continued, will blossom into romance. Best romances starts from friendships, well-developed healthy friendships.

      It's not serious yet, it's still phileo. Patience. No sudden kisses, no catharsis junk. It's love that takes time and takes work.

      Well given you are talking about libido, apparently, we should really just drop the love thing, unless you wish to lead with the love argument. Then again, that superficial attraction can come to anyone and that is instant. So, yea, do you want to lead long-term (which causes large arguments that ultimately points to ludus, not eros) or the immediate superficial attraction (which allows stevens immediate action in bubble buddies and explains why they would try being so serious so fast)

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Ok then. Simple enough.

      1) they should recognize it given their magical and book wise exoertise on the subject of love.

      2) Stevonnie would reveal these feelings, and they disliked that. Hence, unless you are saying they dislike being loved romantically, I'm afraid the point is null.

      3)See #2

      1. Recognizing romance and recognizing romantic feelings you felt is different. It's still likely to happen. Also considering that most children can't completely recognize romantic feelings, for they thought it's simple as being striked by Cupid's arrow. Or whatever happens in those fairy tales.

      And about that, this is not last time I'm talking about that...


      2. Not really. In fusions, the individual components can still keep secrets to each other, see Sardonyx and Malachite. They share the same body, but not the same mind.

      They only can't reveal it to each other so soon because, well, they don't know how the other one will react, or the other one might not feel the same way. It's a risky decision. Thus they must wait for hints the other one might give, that they are willing.

      No, that is metaphorical. An adult could say they were struck by cupids arrow, the concept is metaphorical. Children know what they're doing.

      Yes, yes, we discussed the emotional implications of the body in that large debate with stevidot and co.

      As for what you suggest, you are implying steven, the boy who knows no privacy, and connie, the desperate imagination-projecting girl, don't have strength of relationship or confidence to talk about any attraction? Especially given her apparent want to kiss? People talk about that sort of things even if they didnt want to kiss!

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      They also parallel with other platonic, familial relationships. Parallels does not a proof make. You can compare them, and thus say that is similar, but that does not rpove they are similar kn all such methods. E.g. Rupphire could be a romantic version of connverse

      Give me one moment parallel from a romantic-ish moment from Connverse to a platonic relationship.

      The promising parallels of Rupphire to Connverse would say otherwise. There's actually few parallels that is exactly the same in a parallel sense. Don't ask about that yet, too many spoilers.

      Romantic version? I'm pretty sure Ruby and Sapphire are just friends in The Answer until Rose came. Or maybe even after that. Their relationship could be developed through friendship with budding romance, just like Connverse.

      And oh yeah, Connverse could be the romantic version of Amedot, with that parallel from Bubble Buddies and Too Far.

      And Connverse could be the mutual version of Pearlrose.

      And Connverse could be the younger version of Rock Star. (RosexGreg, fandom being a brilliant ship namer)

      And Connverse, could be the next version, v2.0, of Rupphire. More perfect, more friendship, more developed, more realistic, younger and healthier Fusion of love! Watch now! Only in Steven Universe: Plot? what plot? Romance only and nothing else!

      cuz you know? versions!

      You focus too much on parallels. Its a show. Shows are based on life. In life, do you suggest every relationship has connections to others? Sure the show aspect adds rhetorical nature, but this is a plot, not a satirical essay.

      Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      Pikadot wrote: Yes, they have/will have romantic feelings for each other.

      ... 3: And who can forget all the similarties between Ruby and Sapphire and Steven and Connie? Even if they are camera effects, they are deliberatley put in there to invoke a feeling.

      ...

      Please read the above thread. And thread before hand. To shorten to conclusions:

      Blushing is otherwise explained.

      That can be friendhsip.

      That proves no more than pearlmathyst.

      he he, he he, he he *giggling maniacally*

      oh sorry, did I miss something? i was just reading Aptos vs I-ship-stevidot, it was so fun. Or was I? where am I again?

      Oh yeah, it was only a one time parallel in Pearlmethyst, thus no enough parallels to prove anything.... You said it yourself, parallels doesn't suggest exactly the same thing. Connverse could be the romantic version of Pearlmethyst.


      Please read my mind, beforehand. To shorten conclusions:

      Blushing can be otherwise explained from otherwise explanation.

      That can be romance, too.

      That's proves WAY MORE than Pearlmethyst.



      yes! all according to plan! I hope I wasn't being obvious about things, my mind is so full of spoilers... oh wait, can you guys still hear? oh no... uh... pleaseforgeteverythingIsaid! *disappeared in the smokes... actually sneaking out, and ran away*

      Funny. Selective evidence. You cant just ignore all the other instances. If you want them, i will show them, but dint claim they dont exist. As for your conclusions....

      NONE PROVES ROMANCE. Pardon my directness, but It doesn't matter there are alternatives to my options, It doesn't matter remotely, it proves nothing, I am still justified in belief in my option, as it has not been disproven. You can not take advantage of the alternative standpoint to prove your side, as your side is that there MUST be romantic feelings, so you must use direct evidence. Sorry, but I am tired of that being taken advantage of, given it is a fallacy.

      Perlen297 wrote:

      Nearhza wrote:
      Yo, when I debated with Aptos about this it was lliterally twice as long as this whole thread. He will not be swayed until they like kiss or something. Let's just move on. Trust me. There is no pulling him out of his corner of beliefs. It won't happen, Perlen. I agree with you on almost every single point that you're making, but it'll save you a lot of stress if you just let the plot prove either side (which is likely to be the side of stevonnie) right. I've already told Aptos that I will be handing out I Told You Sos once we find out, because the kid in me will actually feel better when I do. Maybe you'll enjoy it too, but if you just enjoy discourse, then by all means continue. I'm just saying it's pretty pointless.

      It's not about convincing Aptos so change views or beliefs, tho it can be part of the effect, of the ending.

      It's all about discovering the depths of Steven and Connie's relationship. And simply proving the existence of romance, of any forms possible.

      To prove that Steven and Connie truly have romantic feelings.


      It does save stress, but who cares, I am stressed either way!


      I will hand out "I told you So's" too. Because of all those notebooks, papers and tress I wasted, although in the bright side, I discovered that I am actually good at writing. A benefit in writing good fanfics.


      I do enjoy it, a lot. This thread is actually just an excuse for me to talk about Connverse/Stevonnie... now you all got me.

      True. And perlen has done really well in finding good points.

      Perlen297 wrote: I rewatched and analyzed the interview all over and over again. Only to notice something...

      The interviewee asked a question concerning the romantic shipping of Steven and Connie, but they're young

      The three never said no, they never disproved the romance in them. They were asked about what type of response they have regarding the romantic shipping.

      Rebecca meant that there's nothing wrong about romance of two children, saying it's pure love of children. What's better than that?

      Estelle basically proven the future romance in them, saying that they'll be together, when they're older of course. (in connection with "but they're young")

      Zach never outrightly disproved romance, whatsover. If he really did, he could've have said: there's no romance in them, whatsover, or something like that.

      He said that they'll always stay as friends no matter what happens, unless something happens. (romance is one of the possible meanings of "who knows")

      He implied that even if Steven and Connie will become a couple or not, they'll always stay as friends. Romantic friendship? Being a romantic couple and friends at the same time? Very possible.


      PS BoyFRIEND-GirlFRIENDs are technically still friends. And not to mention that friendships always makes romances better, stronger.

      Wait, if it was just shopping opinion, then technically couldnt they just say what they wanted to happen, as a sort of fanon from the crewniverse? I do that with my works of writing, and they have CN watching their backs. So technically they weren't even talking about the show. It would be easier to tell if they talked in E-Prime.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Perlen297 wrote: That's not the point.

      Or that almost kiss was meant to represent love that takes time and takes work.

      And I'm pretty sure you're expecting them to kiss just to convince yourself that it was romantic all the time.

      Seriously tho, can you imagine Steven and Connie smooching in canon as early as that?


      If that kiss happened, their relationship will be much different. They will be awkward around each other, maybe even forever. Stevonnie will never be formed. Their friendship will be so different, in more or less bad way.

      That almost kiss allowed them to continue their friendship, to follow the funky flow, while little mutual crushes are kept. That one moment, the indirect kiss, shaped them to Steven and Connie now, who just so happened to be more romantic than the scenario when they kissed at that time. A proof that sudden kisses have bad effects on budding romances. Best romances starts from best friendships. Akward romances starts from awkward friendships. Afterall.

      An essay once titled, Steven and Connie: True Love's Indirect Kiss.


      Ohk, you got me... I knew you'll ask that but.. no, I ain't giving spoilers for the ending :>

      Those other shippings are mostly ship tease. In Steven and Connie, with RubyxSapphire, Pearlrose, and RosexGreg, they are sincere, geniune, the show's canon OTPs. (not that I'm against at other shippings)

      All I can say is about Lars, Pearl and Amethyst, who teased SxC in Bubble Buddies. But I'm pretty sure Lars don't anymore.  But Pearl and Amethyst? They were asked not to mess with his funky flow, and what do you know, they followed it obediently. Tho they still seem to ship it. And Garnet too, who just happens to be Stevonnie's #1 fan.

      Those teasings meant that it's so easy to assume that they are a romantic couple. Even the fandom fell for it. Not knowing that love at first sight never exists, love takes time and love takes work~

      Slippery slope fallacy, selective evidence, then don't suggest they have romantic feelings sans romance.

      I only suggested it for I never disregarded all the evidences. I try my best to be coherent.

      That was more of a clarication/justification of points than actual evidence anyway.

      Plus, I only stated the possible scenario if they kissed at that time, comparing it to the scenario when it was interuppted by Steven's healing powers.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      (Slaps head with palm) I had no idea this whole time you were insisting libido. I figured we wouldn't go there. Apparently we were always there. That changes so much.

      See? That's why I doubted romantic love, which is by nature, is activated by that.

      But, eros/romance isn't necessarily sexual. Not to mention that romance is just an euphemism for, that.

      But that's not the point.

      Falling in love? Being in love? It's an romantic attraction. Thus romantic feelings are activated. Not necessarily sexual.

      And oh yeah, not to mention that they're kids, more appropritately pubescent kids. Crushes are normal. Thus romantic feelings. And again, not necessarily sexual, they're kids for gems' sake.

      Coincidentally, kids usually started to have crushes as they approached puberty, and what are Steven and Connie? They're kids approaching puberty. And they started to have mutual crushes at that particular period.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      Well given you are talking about libido, apparently, we should really just drop the love thing, unless you wish to lead with the love argument. Then again, that superficial attraction can come to anyone and that is instant. So, yea, do you want to lead long-term (which causes large arguments that ultimately points to ludus, not eros) or the immediate superficial attraction (which allows stevens immediate action in bubble buddies and explains why they would try being so serious so fast)

      hmm... both!

      I don't necessarily suggest libido. Well, it could be libido, but not sexual.

      It's as simple as subconscious romantic feelings. And because of this little misunderstanding, I think I should clarify my point. But later.

      Ohk, to love talk.

      While agape, ludus and pragma was shown. But those doesn't define their relationship as a whole. It's still phileo, with superficial developing eros.

      It's normal to show different kids of love in friendships.

      I think this should be clarified, which I just realized now:

      There's eros, but it's not eros.

      Eros exists but it doesn't define their relationship as a whole.

      It's not serious yet. But it doesn't necessarily mean ludus as a whole. It's because nothing is confessed yet. But once confessed, they could atleast try to be serious with their newly-bloomed romantic relationship.

      The romance in them just aren't fully bloomed yet. It exists as either mutual crush or subconscious romantic feelings. (not libido)

      If that's really th meaning of eros, then I could say there's romantic love, but it's not romantic love that define their relationship, it's just not fully bloomed romance, yet.

      For now, I could say it's friendship relationship with young innocent romantic attraction.


      As for ludus. I have two friends of mine. A boy and a girl, who hang out a lot. But most of the time, they tease each other, in which I describe as playful torture :3. They have a ludus friendship, based on my observation.

      Comparing them to Steven and Connie. They never had romantic-ish moments, blushing moments, unlike Steven and Connie had.

      Ludus doesn't necessarily define Steven and Connie's relationships.


      As for agape, it's unconditional love. It exists in almost every relationships. But doesn't necessarily define Steven and Connie's relationship. 


      Steven and Connie have phileo, with superficial developing eros. It's basically a friendship with budding romance.


      Also, it's not immediate superficial attraction, although it could be the foundation. But if it really was immediate, it could've degraded, but started to develop, along with their friendship. Love takes time and takes work, afterall.

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    • Aptos wrote:

      No, that is metaphorical. An adult could say they were struck by cupids arrow, the concept is metaphorical. Children know what they're doing.

      Yes, yes, we discussed the emotional implications of the body in that large debate with stevidot and co.

      As for what you suggest, you are implying steven, the boy who knows no privacy, and connie, the desperate imagination-projecting girl, don't have strength of relationship or confidence to talk about any attraction? Especially given her apparent want to kiss? People talk about that sort of things even if they didnt want to kiss!

      Children know what they're doing? Well they do, but not everything, especially with this concept, romance.

      It's not easy as that. Steven can have anxieties. Connie have social anxiety, and no, it still exists.

      Confessions needs certainity. They are not yet certain if the other one returns the same feelings. It's a risky decision. If you do that, but they don't feel the same way. Well, it will make things more or less awkward. They need to wait, for the right time, when they are certain that feelings are requited. What they don't know that the other one is already waiting for them to take the hint, that they are willing.

      And kids being kids, they normally wouldn't touch to that topic.

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    • You focus too much on parallels. Its a show. Shows are based on life. In life, do you suggest every relationship has connections to others? Sure the show aspect adds rhetorical nature, but this is a plot, not a satirical essay.


      Funny. Selective evidence. You cant just ignore all the other instances. If you want them, i will show them, but dint claim they dont exist. As for your conclusions....

      NONE PROVES ROMANCE. Pardon my directness, but It doesn't matter there are alternatives to my options, It doesn't matter remotely, it proves nothing, I am still justified in belief in my option, as it has not been disproven. You can not take advantage of the alternative standpoint to prove your side, as your side is that there MUST be romantic feelings, so you must use direct evidence. Sorry, but I am tired of that being taken advantage of, given it is a fallacy.


      True. And perlen has done really well in finding good points.


      Wait, if it was just shopping opinion, then technically couldnt they just say what they wanted to happen, as a sort of fanon from the crewniverse? I do that with my works of writing, and they have CN watching their backs. So technically they weren't even talking about the show. It would be easier to tell if they talked in E-Prime.

      I only focus on parallels because of something... nah, I am just talking about things...


      None proves romance? While most doesn't prove romance, there were some that proved it (most of which were never mentioned in this thread yet). It just depends on how you define romance, which is direct romantic love.

      But remember that it's superficial developing romance. It exists, developing from a tiny spark, taking its time. Love takes time, and love takes work, afterall.

      Using your logic, and without outside evidences, there were never romance in Ruby and Sapphire in The Answer, nor Pearl and Rose, nor Greg and Rose in Story for Steven.

      Alternatives say that they're agape.

      This show have it's own unique way in incorporating romance in its story. For a show about love (that ending theme tho), it features all kinds of love, so romance will always be there.

      And oh yeah, don't jump to conclusions, this aren't the ending of this thread yet.


      Yeah! I have found A LOTS! that I never mentioned before! Prepare to get rekt son!

      Excuse my sarcasm, I never found good points, and it was intended.


      They were asked about their responce. Not opinion.

      And based on their tone, I'd say it's straight to the point.

      Rebecca Sugar, being the creator, of course. 

      And Estelle, who just so happens to portray her character, Garnet, who will pretty much say the same thing. Not to mention that it was in future tense, and Garnet have future vision... coincidence? I think not! Oh, also, Garnet believes in romance, which she is literally made of such.

      And Zach, who just so happens to portray his character, Steven, who believes in friendship, but who knows what will happen in the future.

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    • Well, It' somehow obvious in the show itself. As it shows many signs of steven and connie willing to take it to more than a friendship. In 'Steven's Birthday', Connie danced along with Steven, and steven was blushing half that episode. In 'An Indirect Kiss', Connie was almost gonna kiss Steven around the end of the episode.

      But to me, 'Alone Together' says it all, They dance,embrace each other, reject Kevin trying to dance with them and fuse. But I agree with Perlen at the ame time, thus them just being kids. Kids can't naturally control their feelings and kids wouldn't normally touch to that topic.

      Finally, ALL THAT THIRST THAT I COULD REMEMBER:
      Thirst

      I can't stop remembering PearlxRose

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      Aptos wrote:

      (Slaps head with palm) I had no idea this whole time you were insisting libido. I figured we wouldn't go there. Apparently we were always there. That changes so much.

      See? That's why I doubted romantic love, which is by nature, is activated by that.

      But, eros/romance isn't necessarily sexual. Not to mention that romance is just an euphemism for, that.

      But that's not the point.

      Falling in love? Being in love? It's an romantic attraction. Thus romantic feelings are activated. Not necessarily sexual.

      And oh yeah, not to mention that they're kids, more appropritately pubescent kids. Crushes are normal. Thus romantic feelings. And again, not necessarily sexual, they're kids for gems' sake.

      Coincidentally, kids usually started to have crushes as they approached puberty, and what are Steven and Connie? They're kids approaching puberty. And they started to have mutual crushes at that particular period.

      Oh we have no idea about the crushes. You could consdier superficial romantic attraction if you want, but without a basis of love it won't go anywhere. I feel like after discovering that via stevonnie, that would damper their relationship

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    • Perlen297 wrote:

      You focus too much on parallels. Its a show. Shows are based on life. In life, do you suggest every relationship has connections to others? Sure the show aspect adds rhetorical nature, but this is a plot, not a satirical essay.


      Funny. Selective evidence. You cant just ignore all the other instances. If you want them, i will show them, but dint claim they dont exist. As for your conclusions....

      NONE PROVES ROMANCE. Pardon my directness, but It doesn't matter there are alternatives to my options, It doesn't matter remotely, it proves nothing, I am still justified in belief in my option, as it has not been disproven. You can not take advantage of the alternative standpoint to prove your side, as your side is that there MUST be romantic feelings, so you must use direct evidence. Sorry, but I am tired of that being taken advantage of, given it is a fallacy.


      True. And perlen has done really well in finding good points.


      Wait, if it was just shopping opinion, then technically couldnt they just say what they wanted to happen, as a sort of fanon from the crewniverse? I do that with my works of writing, and they have CN watching their backs. So technically they weren't even talking about the show. It would be easier to tell if they talked in E-Prime.

      I only focus on parallels because of something... nah, I am just talking about things...


      None proves romance? While most doesn't prove romance, there were some that proved it (most of which were never mentioned in this thread yet). It just depends on how you define romance, which is direct romantic love.

      But remember that it's superficial developing romance. It exists, developing from a tiny spark, taking its time. Love takes time, and love takes work, afterall.

      Using your logic, and without outside evidences, there were never romance in Ruby and Sapphire in The Answer, nor Pearl and Rose, nor Greg and Rose in Story for Steven.

      Alternatives say that they're agape.

      This show have it's own unique way in incorporating romance in its story. For a show about love (that ending theme tho), it features all kinds of love, so romance will always be there.

      And oh yeah, don't jump to conclusions, this aren't the ending of this thread yet.


      Yeah! I have found A LOTS! that I never mentioned before! Prepare to get rekt son!

      Excuse my sarcasm, I never found good points, and it was intended.


      They were asked about their responce. Not opinion.

      And based on their tone, I'd say it's straight to the point.

      Rebecca Sugar, being the creator, of course. 

      And Estelle, who just so happens to portray her character, Garnet, who will pretty much say the same thing. Not to mention that it was in future tense, and Garnet have future vision... coincidence? I think not! Oh, also, Garnet believes in romance, which she is literally made of such.

      And Zach, who just so happens to portray his character, Steven, who believes in friendship, but who knows what will happen in the future.

      Response is essentially opinion. What are their thoughts on it, what would they respond to that.

      I actually sort of agree for ruby and sapphire being agape at first. Rose and greg were outright discussing how they were going to make being in love(eros)" work, and pearl was jealous of that, so she has eros.

      I am totally going to hold you to that description of romance. Forever........

      Just say your evidence, so we can go over it.

      Oh, you meant developing romance. Oh no, that would be based on immediate sight. Having true firm love would also include pragma, which requires time and work.

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    • This is very off topic but I would find it so funny if Aptos thought Amedot was canon.

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    • Biesaga wrote: This is very off topic but I would find it so funny if Aptos thought Amedot was canon.

      Amedot canon? Ridiculous. There is no basis to assume romantic feelings, nor any type of familial replicating emotion. Maybe mild companionship, but the closest we can easily confirm is acquaintances. Why would it be funny?

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    • Aptos wrote:
      Response is essentially opinion. What are their thoughts on it, what would they respond to that.

      I actually sort of agree for ruby and sapphire being agape at first. Rose and greg were outright discussing how they were going to make being in love(eros)" work, and pearl was jealous of that, so she has eros.

      I am totally going to hold you to that description of romance. Forever........

      Just say your evidence, so we can go over it.

      Oh, you meant developing romance. Oh no, that would be based on immediate sight. Having true firm love would also include pragma, which requires time and work.

      he he he.... he he he...

      all according to plan... *villanous voice*


      oh sorry, but I have a plan, and... don't worry, we're nearing the ending of the finale~


      I know that, and Steven and Connie have that... their friedship. And that's all I can say for now, just wait for more as I post.


      Throughout the late part 4, and the whole part 5. Most of my statements are not slippery slop fallacy nor selective evidences, atleast I never intended to.


      They are basically different sets of raison detre, reason or justification for existence, not straight-to-the-point evidences, tho they may look like it.

      Those are intended, to clarify our point, making it more understandable, clearer and more acceptable.

      It is required, before we could continue further... to the next and final stage...


      It's like you're expecting to provide huge mind-blowing unrefutable evidences. It's like you're expecting me to prove that Steven and Connie have fully-bloomed romantic love. It's like you're expecting me to provide an evidence of Steven and Connie showing those forced romance cliches.

      Don't expect me to do and will do such. It's not what this whole thread is all about. It's to prove the existence of romantic feelings, or atleast romance in them. NOT fully-bloomed romantic love. Love takes time, love takes work.

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    • do do do do just searchin the connverse tag in tumblr do do do do oh wait what's what?

      *reads the whole thing*

      oh my stars! you guys should read it!


      Why Connverse is The Best Thing Ever by CeJayCe

      click me :3

      I love SU for taking the time to develop Steven and Connie’s friendship. Yes, it’s always been established that they have crushes on each other, but that’s not the only defining aspect of their interactions. 90% of the time, it takes a backseat to their friendship and how much they just genuinely enjoy each other’s company. And the show doesn’t appear to be in any sort of rush to force their relationship to develop romantically. They’re both in this mutual state of crushing and being crushed on, which is just so cute and innocent. I honestly could care less if they don’t kiss until the series finale (if then). They’re kids.

      So many shows fail to capture (or even try to capture) this type of dynamic. It’s usually just the boy having a crush on the girl and EVERY SINGLE TIME they interact on screen, he’s blushing or attempting to make a move or genuinely too consumed by his feelings to act normally. Yes, Steven has those moments, but they don’t define his relationship with Connie and I’m so relieved by that. They’re comfortable around each other, and because of that we typically don’t have to go through the groan-fest of watching Steven act completely unlike himself to impress her. And when he does it’s still endearing because there’s usually a much better reason behind it than just “I want this person to think I’m cool.”

      It also breaks the problematic trope of trying to convince little boys that the way to impress a girl is to stop being goofy and soft-spoken and sensitive, and to turn into a monosyllabic “cool kid” who leans against lockers all the time and isn’t impressed by anything. Connie likes Steven because he’s nice and sweet and doesn’t make any attempt to hide how great he thinks she is. Like, he literally thinks she’s the best thing ever and he’d gladly tell anyone who asked. It’s really nice to see a show actually encourage little boys to be themselves if they like someone. So many shows pretend to promote that message by having someone say “just be yourself”, but SU actually goes ahead and demonstrates it.

      Can we also acknowledge the fact that Steven has cried in front of Connie and how wonderfully that was handled? I honestly can’t think of another show that has or would do that (I’m sure there’s at least 1 or 2 more, but I can’t think of them). On TV, it’s always okay for the girl to cry because then the guy gets to be a man and comfort her. But so rarely does this happen in the reverse. So few shows like to acknowledge the fact that boys have feelings and need comforting too. And the nice thing about having a loving relationship is that you are both equally entitled to ask for emotional support.

      Basically what I’m saying is I am the proudest Connverse trash that ever did live and Steven’s Birthday episode gave me too many feels.


      The whole appreciation post acknowledges and praises Steven and Connie's relationship–their friendship and mutual crush.

      It nods to my points, how their relationship defies all those romance cliches yet incorporating a budding romance in an unique way, and to how the show doesn't have any sort of rush to force their relationship to develop romantically.

      As a huge Connverse trash myself, a lot of kudos to the author, Ce Jay Ce.

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    • ohk, let me clarify the whole thing

      I think you jumped into conclusions about me suggesting libido. The main reason why I crossed it out.

      he he he is it me or you're such a dirty thinker? that's okay, romance have always been full of suggestive themes

      What I meant to suggest are actually...

      One of which is puppy love, young love. Childhood crushes.

      And innocent and subconscious romantic feelings; or lovestruck. Romantic feelings that they are innocent and unaware to, kids being kids.

      But, are these are the same thing as libido? an euphemism?

      I don't think so. Crushes, romantic feelings/attraction are completely different things from that, altho related.

      And romance can just happen without libido, see: Ruby and Sapphire, Greg and Rose, Lars and Sadie...

      What made me bring up all of these, is actually because of what Stevonnie is metaphor to.

      Rebecca Sugar: Stevonnie is an experience! The living relationship between Steven and Connie. What I love about Stevonnie is that we are working with a metaphor that is so complex and so specific but also really, really relatable, in the form of a character. Stevonnie challenges gender norms as an individual, but also serves as a metaphor for all the terrifying firsts in a first relationship, and what it feels like to hit puberty and suddenly find yourself with the body of an adult, how quickly that happens, how it feels to have a new power over people, or to suddenly find yourself objectified, all for seemingly no reason since you’re still just you… and they are still just them, they’re Steven and Connie who you already know and relate to, and if you do you can feel, for this episode, what all of those feelings are like. And they feel it too and that stays with them. (source)


      Steven and Connie have friendship, but what terrifying firsts of a first relationship?

      Steven and Connie hitted puberty, in connection to my statements above.

      They found theirselves objectified? Watch Alone Together once again.

      People are attracted to them, especially Lars and Sadie, who obviously (fluttered, blushing etc) are romantically or perhaps even sexually attracted to them, but they are innocent to all of it.

      Stevonnie being the living relationship, of Steven and Connie, this led me to think...

      They are romantically attracted to themselves. but they are unaware from it.

      Exceptionally so~

      Just like the claim #1, they are innocent to romantic attraction, so how much more to theirselves? Which would make sense, they're kids.

      Considering this show's demographics. And the number of people shipping 'em. Many people (especially teens) found Steven and Connie very relatable, confirmed to be intended. We can feel what they feel, all those feelings are like. One of the best reasons why there's an extremely huge number of fans shipping them.

      I knew that was bound to be interesting to people, for at least one of all those reasons!

      All that said. Stevonnie, or more correctly Steven and Connie, shows an example of best friends falling in love, first relationship, first crushes, first love... all packed in their first fusion.

      In falling in love with your childhood friend, there's a risk. You don't want to ruin your friendship, but you can't just shrug those feelings away. It's a challenge in puberty.

      This should is based on life, you said it yourself. This should is about love. This should is a coming-of-age story of Steven Universe, and he himself, will of course get to experience it.

      This is why their friendship, first relationship, are being developed. This is what all our evidences are for. (the romance in them)

      This show aren't afraid of dealing with life facts and complex social ideas (fusion, gender norms, feminism, lgbt, etc...)

      So it's not afraid, of showing a detailed transition of friends-to lovers, of children/teens.

      It's not afraid to show the challenges of puberty.


      And among all, Steven and Connie, are an example of love that takes time, and takes work. That love subconsciously grows over time, they need to work it out, together. A budding romance in friendship. Best romances starts from best friendships.

      This is just the beginning of their romance...

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      The love expressed and the love, feelings felt are DIFFERENT.

      Also, remember that one type of love can be penetrated by another. The most common of which is eros over phileo.


      It's very possible to have friendship love to each other while having romantic feelings at the same time,  especially if you haven't realized that you have deep romantic feelings.

      It's literallly in every friends-to-lovers stories. Young love stories. Early romances...


      Also, romance is not just expressing romantic love...

      The real meaning of romance, which I've brought up 2 parts ago...

      "As we grow up, we hear this wonderful theme repeated endlessly in cartoons, movies, romance novels and hit songs. We grow very fond of this sweet tale, and can’t wait until the day when Cupid’s arrow hits its mark squarely in our hearts.

      And then it happens! We look into another’s eyes and something wonderful and mysterious overtakes us. We feel a great joy and spontaneity that we’ve never felt before. Innocently and completely, we surrender to this awesome energy. We have found our soul mate, our one true partner who will fulfill all our needs unconditionally, and our hearts and souls will dance and sing for all eternity." (Read More)


      In Steven and Connie, it's still an early romance (coinciding with battle couple trope). They are still unaware from it, for they thought it was just a simple crush. That early romance is the foundation of the romantic love they will share in the future. A budding romance. Deep romantic feelings, that they are innocent to, those feelings that make them blush, or subconsciouly make a move, or make them say things without forethought. Those romantic feelings grows, develops everytime they met. They never realized it, yet. They're still kids, more correctly kids hitting puberty. Sometime in the near future, they'll eventually realize it. Realize that they are destinied to be together, seeing how they fit perfectly.

      It's the beauty of budding romance, in friendship. It's the great example of Garnet's wisdom: love takes time, and love takes work.

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    • There's this little fic that caught my attention recently. Just read this post down to the end. You'll know what I mean. (just another raison detre, excuse my french)

      Titled "Beat About the Bush" by keepitcrazy.

      "Secrets, surprises and the terrifying firsts in a relationship all seem to bombard the lives of Steven Universe and Connie Maheswaren as they explore their new relationship with each other, one awkward step at a time."


      I recommend you reading the whole thing (just 4-6 minutes of reading time).


      But it's not just the story...

      Although it's very obvious, he didn't consider that as a sign that she has a crush on him.

      Steven knew that he had feelings for her that seemed unrequited, but he just couldn't put a finger on it.

      He doubted that an amazing beautiful girl like Connie falling for a crazy kid like him. In his books, it was bizzare and impossible.

      Nonetheless, he have feelings for her, that became stronger everytime he met her, those feelings, that make him blush. He just realized how deep those feelings he have for her.

      Which would make sense for him, him having feelings for her since the first time he met her, but he thought it was unrequited.


      That ticklish, warm buzz he feels along his spine when she's close to him, the horribly embarrassing blush that rises to his cheeks whenever he looks in to her eyes; it all seemed to become stronger every time he met her!

      Steven was unknowingly blushing at his fond thoughts of Connie... <--- this romantic feelings that I'm talking about the whole time


      Connie, on the other hand, always had a huge crush on him, secretly, but she can't tell him.

      "He probably think I'm gross and obsessed, it's really weird to have crush on your best friend", she thought

      Which would make sense for her, her actions throughout the show, the one to usually drop the hints. But she doubted him will ever felt the same.


      They thought it was unrequited, but they are unaware that it as mutual, unaware of how deep those feelings they have for each othr.

      Among all fics I've read so far, for me, this is the most accurate portrayal and interpretation of Steven and Connie, and the romance in them.

      I was surprised by this work when it was published yesterday, coinciding with this discussion, at the perfect moment...

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    • Oh, this may have been brought up earlier, but I remembered this quote from the movie "Valentine's Day"

      "How did you know that she was the woman who will be your wife?"

      "Simple. She is my best friend"

      (I saw it in Spanish and I don't remember the exact quote, but that is the general idea)

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    • weird... two days in a row...

      anyways...


      Romance is not just expressing it, but also feeling it.

      Romantic  feelings is not just expressing romantic love, but also feeling it for someone, aka being or falling in love.

      And it's very possible to be unaware that you are, even people who knows and understand romance. It's a complex feeling you barely understand, yet so simple and happens so quickly. People fall in love in mysterious ways, afterall.


      And oh yeah, Steven subconsciously bubbling himself and Connie, reflexes, could symbolize the unconscious young romantic feelings.

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    • reposting an old post...


      Also, we all seem to forget the episode Bubble Buddies...

      Lars: BWAHAHAH! Way to go, Steven! Is this your magic love bubble or something? Did you make it because you're in looove?

      Amethyst: YOU LIKE HER!


      WHAT IF they're right? (in the long run)


      YEP, they are damn right~

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