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  • this pic says it allFile:Lesbian Gems.png

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    • Right in the eye

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    • Ok FIRST OF ALL

      1. Gems do not have gender, they are Gems.

      2. This could have been a sisterly kiss, of two sisters who can't be apart and love each other that much. That's what I thought.

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    • ReasonAndPearls wrote:
      Ok FIRST OF ALL

      1. Gems do not have gender, they are Gems.

      2. This could have been a sisterly kiss, of two sisters who can't be apart and love each other that much. That's what I thought.

      To 2. I think they are in love but thats just my opinion

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    • If only.....

      Personaly, I'm surprised they got that much into a kids show. That's definately not a sisterly kiss and Garnet's song shows they're in love. However, yes, they are genderless amd therefor no, not a lesbian couple. We still can't ignore that they are very femenine characters that shared a moment of intamancy with each other. (although I'm fairly certain that the gems being genderless is the only reason why Rebecca has gotten this far with the pairings)

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    • Ok,thats not a lesbian couple. Gems are genderless,but even ifnthey HAD genders,ruby looks,acts,and almost sound like a boy. Plus uh, that kiss was probably part of their fusion dance. Not their fault the dance had to be that way .-.

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    • I completely agree...

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    • AngryRuby

      Are you serious?!

      When people make ships and automatically stereotype it as something: --->
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    • NeonClovers wrote:
      AngryRuby

      Are you serious?!

      When people make ships and automatically stereotype it as something: --->

      I think they're just mad cause they're single Neon.

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    • So the more they love each other the stronger the fusion it all makes sense.

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    • Oh yeesh stop trying to write it off as a vaguely platonic or heterosexual-resembling relationship. Garnet's song shows that it's NOT platonic and while gems are genderless, getting two feminine looking characters to kiss on Cartoon Network is an achievement and I'm so very happy about this. They're adorable!

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    • and your right, its the only reasons why I believed it. the more the love, the stronger the fusion. that's a theory that needs to be spoken about in my eye's. but hey what do I know? im just a brony who wants to Japanese =P



      Evtini200 wrote: If only.....

      Personaly, I'm surprised they got that much into a kids show. That's definately not a sisterly kiss and Garnet's song shows they're in love. However, yes, they are genderless amd therefor no, not a lesbian couple. We still can't ignore that they are very femenine characters that shared a moment of intamancy with each other. (although I'm fairly certain that the gems being genderless is the only reason why Rebecca has gotten this far with the pairings)

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    • "The two of us aren't gana follow your rules"

      "Can't you see that our relationship is Stable."

      "I can see you hate the way we intermingle."

      Garnet isn't exactly trying to be subtle about what she means.

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    • SoftShell wrote:
      "The two of us aren't gana follow your rules"

      "Can't you see that our relationship is Stable."

      "I can see you hate the way we intermingle."

      Garnet isn't exactly trying to be subtle about what she means.

      "You just mad cause your single"

      My favorite line outta the entire song.

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    • Two female looking aliens who have female pronouns are in love. If they were humans, they would both be female. Therefore, it would be considered a lesbian couple. This is what people mean.

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    • 1. Gems dont have genders, just gender pronun.

      2. it was not a kiss.

      3. a lot of gurls kiss in my school, is friendly kiss.

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    • MCcomics wrote:
      Two female looking aliens who have female pronouns are in love. If they were humans, they would both be female. Therefore, it would be considered a lesbian couple. This is what people mean.

      they wouldn't necessarily be female so much as just female-oriented but it's. quite obvious that it's not supposed to be either sisterly or heterosexual yeah

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      1. Gems dont have genders, just gender pronun.

      2. it was not a kiss.

      3. a lot of gurls kiss in my school, is friendly kiss.

      if it's not a kiss then why would you need to justify it with "it's friendly"? it's obviously a kiss and the song is quite blatantly about more than just a friendship, so...

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    • Aw, come on! Why is this even an issue?

      This is a beautiful episode with a great song and strong bonds, lets just all appreciate the wonders that Miss Sugar has bestowed upon us.

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    • Well, I ship the two, so...

      And, Ruby acts a bit more masculine than femnine, and Sapphire acts femnine.

      So, uh....

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      1. Gems dont have genders, just gender pronun.

      2. it was not a kiss.

      3. a lot of gurls kiss in my school, is friendly kiss.

      if it's not a kiss then why would you need to justify it with "it's friendly"? it's obviously a kiss and the song is quite blatantly about more than just a friendship, so...

      song?

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Doctorbleak wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      1. Gems dont have genders, just gender pronun.

      2. it was not a kiss.

      3. a lot of gurls kiss in my school, is friendly kiss.

      if it's not a kiss then why would you need to justify it with "it's friendly"? it's obviously a kiss and the song is quite blatantly about more than just a friendship, so...
      song?

      yes, the song. you know, the one that played throughout the entire fight scene?

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    • LikeBrony wrote: 1. Gems dont have genders, just gender pronun.

      2. it was not a kiss.

      3. a lot of gurls kiss in my school, is friendly kiss.

      1. Gems use gender pronouns, they however, have no defined sex.

      2. It was a kiss, not on-the-mouth-want-to-make-love-kiss, but still a kiss. It was adorable.

      3. This cracks me up, yes, kisses can be from friendly contact or sexual desire, in this case, I'm guessing it was for comforting reasons. Since Gems don't need to reproduce sexually, I'm going with that these two are in a platonic relationship :)

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    • Snackys wrote:
      Well, I ship the two, so...

      And, Ruby acts a bit more masculine than femnine, and Sapphire acts femnine.

      So, uh....

      you can't really "act" masculine or "act" feminine, no more than you can "act" genderless. masculinity and femininity are moreso just personal values for each individual. like, what one person feels is masculine might not be so for someone else

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:

      Snackys wrote:
      Well, I ship the two, so...

      And, Ruby acts a bit more masculine than femnine, and Sapphire acts femnine.

      So, uh....

      you can't really "act" masculine or "act" feminine, no more than you can "act" genderless. masculinity and femininity are moreso just personal values for each individual. like, what one person feels is masculine might not be so for someone else

      THANK YOU, Dr.B! The way someone acts doesn't define their gender!!

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    • LarsMars wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote: 1. Gems dont have genders, just gender pronun.

      2. it was not a kiss.

      3. a lot of gurls kiss in my school, is friendly kiss.

      1. Gems use gender pronouns, they however, have no defined sex.

      2. It was a kiss, not on-the-mouth-want-to-make-love-kiss, but still a kiss. It was adorable.

      3. This cracks me up, yes, kisses can be from friendly contact or sexual desire, in this case, I'm guessing it was for comforting reasons. Since Gems don't need to reproduce sexually, I'm going with that these two are in a platonic relationship :)

      about your third thing there, where exactly does sex tie into it? i'm not trying to be rude here, since you can think what you wanna, i'm just genuinely curious, since you can have a romantic relationship without sex, and you can have sex without romance

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    • LarsMars wrote:

      Doctorbleak wrote:

      Snackys wrote:
      Well, I ship the two, so...

      And, Ruby acts a bit more masculine than femnine, and Sapphire acts femnine.

      So, uh....

      you can't really "act" masculine or "act" feminine, no more than you can "act" genderless. masculinity and femininity are moreso just personal values for each individual. like, what one person feels is masculine might not be so for someone else
      THANK YOU, Dr.B! The way someone acts doesn't define their gender!!

      yeah, not a problem! i kept seeing people saying it and it was bugging me so i wanted to give my two cents

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:
      LarsMars wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote: 1. Gems dont have genders, just gender pronun.

      2. it was not a kiss.

      3. a lot of gurls kiss in my school, is friendly kiss.

      1. Gems use gender pronouns, they however, have no defined sex.

      2. It was a kiss, not on-the-mouth-want-to-make-love-kiss, but still a kiss. It was adorable.

      3. This cracks me up, yes, kisses can be from friendly contact or sexual desire, in this case, I'm guessing it was for comforting reasons. Since Gems don't need to reproduce sexually, I'm going with that these two are in a platonic relationship :)

      about your third thing there, where exactly does sex tie into it? i'm not trying to be rude here, since you can think what you wanna, i'm just genuinely curious, since you can have a romantic relationship without sex, and you can have sex without romance


      This could be called "asexual" if anything.

      But this is a human sexuality (in this case lack of) concept and the only reason I even said this is in case people still wanted to try and fit a non-human entity into a human concept realm with as much accuracy as possible.

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:

      LarsMars wrote:

      LikeBrony wrote: 1. Gems dont have genders, just gender pronun.

      2. it was not a kiss.

      3. a lot of gurls kiss in my school, is friendly kiss.

      1. Gems use gender pronouns, they however, have no defined sex.

      2. It was a kiss, not on-the-mouth-want-to-make-love-kiss, but still a kiss. It was adorable.

      3. This cracks me up, yes, kisses can be from friendly contact or sexual desire, in this case, I'm guessing it was for comforting reasons. Since Gems don't need to reproduce sexually, I'm going with that these two are in a platonic relationship :)

      about your third thing there, where exactly does sex tie into it? i'm not trying to be rude here, since you can think what you wanna, i'm just genuinely curious, since you can have a romantic relationship without sex, and you can have sex without romance

      Oh, yes. I know that people can have a romantic relationship without sex (asexual being on way) I'm not thinking straight since I probably need to go have dinner xD. But yes, you're 100% correct.

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    • Cmon guys, lets be real, that asexual, ungerdless or whatever thing its just a excuse. SU its not a kids show.

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    • Aclysmic wrote:

      But this is a human sexuality (in this case lack of) concept and the only reason I even said this is in case people still wanted to try and fit a non-human entity into a human concept realm with as much accuracy as possible.

      if applying human concepts to nonhuman characters is really what we wanna go for (which, apparently, we do, which is somewhat understandable since it gives us a point of relation) i think the closest applicable term for both of them would be asexual lesbians

      LarsMars wrote:

      Oh, yes. I know that people can have a romantic relationship without sex (asexual being on way) I'm not thinking straight since I probably need to go have dinner xD. But yes, you're 100% correct.

      oh, no worries, my brain gets kinda frazzled when i'm running on empty too

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    • well, the kiss was problably of the fusion dance =P

      or just a coincidence of hug and head moving

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      well, the kiss was problably of the fusion dance =P

      or just a coincidence of hug and head moving

      so, you went from saying it wasn't a kiss, to saying it was a friendly kiss, to saying it's part of the dance...? i highly doubt it's necessary to kiss to fuse into garnet, as that hasn't been the case with any of the prior fusions

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:
      Aclysmic wrote:

      But this is a human sexuality (in this case lack of) concept and the only reason I even said this is in case people still wanted to try and fit a non-human entity into a human concept realm with as much accuracy as possible.

      if applying human concepts to nonhuman characters is really what we wanna go for (which, apparently, we do, which is somewhat understandable since it gives us a point of relation) i think the closest applicable term for both of them would be asexual lesbians

      Even though they are non-binary beings, since they take on female like appearances then it "asexual lesbians" are probably the most accurate term. I keep wanting to think of them like the Asari from Mass Effect but I know that's somewhat different.

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    • Ruby Is Obviously A Boy, In My Case. And Sapphire Is Obviously A Girl. So Yea. I Think If Rebecca Confirmed That Ruby Shifted Off Into The Male Area, This Would Create A Whole Lotta Drama. So To Me, A Normal Kiss. CAUSE RUBY IS A GODDAMN BOY. JUST TAKE THOSE PANTS OFF AND SHOW US BRUH! Ruby Is A Man, Boy, Male, Non-Female, Manly Man With A Girly Voice. So Yea.

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    • Aclysmic wrote:

      Even though they are non-binary beings, since they take on female like appearances then it "asexual lesbians" are probably the most accurate term. I keep wanting to think of them like the Asari from Mass Effect but I know that's somewhat different.

      yeah, i kind of interpret them as like...nonbinary girls, if that makes sense? like, they're not female, in the human sense, but they're girls. they're genderless girls

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    • XXCoolCrisXx wrote:
      Ruby Is Obviously A Boy, In My Case. And Sapphire Is Obviously A Girl. So Yea. I Think If Rebecca Confirmed That Ruby Shifted Off Into The Male Area, This Would Create A Whole Lotta Drama. So To Me, A Normal Kiss. CAUSE RUBY IS A GODDAMN BOY. JUST TAKE THOSE PANTS OFF AND SHOW US BRUH! Ruby Is A Man, Boy, Male, Non-Female, Manly Man With A Girly Voice. So Yea.

      the only person creating drama is you, buddy. you can't speak for ms. sugar as if your baseless claim is a fact

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:
      Aclysmic wrote:

      Even though they are non-binary beings, since they take on female like appearances then it "asexual lesbians" are probably the most accurate term. I keep wanting to think of them like the Asari from Mass Effect but I know that's somewhat different.

      yeah, i kind of interpret them as like...nonbinary girls, if that makes sense? like, they're not female, in the human sense, but they're girls. they're genderless girls


      Biologically no they are not female, gender identification yeah in a sense. I understand what you are saying.

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    • XXCoolCrisXx wrote:
      Ruby Is Obviously A Boy, In My Case. And Sapphire Is Obviously A Girl. So Yea. I Think If Rebecca Confirmed That Ruby Shifted Off Into The Male Area, This Would Create A Whole Lotta Drama. So To Me, A Normal Kiss. CAUSE RUBY IS A GODDAMN BOY. JUST TAKE THOSE PANTS OFF AND SHOW US BRUH! Ruby Is A Man, Boy, Male, Non-Female, Manly Man With A Girly Voice. So Yea.


      If Ruby took off their pants there would be nothing. Because they are sexless.

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    • Aclysmic wrote:


      Biologically no they are not female, gender identification yeah in a sense. I understand what you are saying.

      ok good i'm glad that made sense

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    • They didn't kiss in the lips, Sapphire only kiss Ruby in the eye.

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    • Lilrq28 wrote:
      this pic says it allFile:Lesbian Gems.png

      GOSH,WHY IS EVERYBODY MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL OF A DAMN LITTLE SCENE?! GOSH JUST BE GLAD GARNET IS ALIVE,PERIDOT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE CG,AND THAT EARTH IS SAFE FOR NOW. AND ALSO REALIZE HOW CUTE THE SCENE WAS,OTHER THAN THAT,STOP MAKING SUCH A DAMN BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS STUFF!!!

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    • NeonClovers wrote:
      Lilrq28 wrote:
      this pic says it all
      GOSH,WHY IS EVERYBODY MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL OF A DAMN LITTLE SCENE?! GOSH JUST BE GLAD GARNET IS ALIVE,PERIDOT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE CG,AND THAT EARTH IS SAFE FOR NOW. AND ALSO REALIZE HOW CUTE THE SCENE WAS,OTHER THAN THAT,STOP MAKING SUCH A DAMN BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS STUFF!!!

      Actually Peridot is still on earth and could very easily get back to the kindergarten.

      On the brighter note: yes Ruby and Sapphire are the cutest thing to happen on SU.

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    • Sexual association > biological sex.

      I love how no one called me out for using the wrong symbol.

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    • People need to stop over-analysing this. Personally, all I saw out of the scene was two soul mates re-uniting.

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    • MCcomics wrote:
      Two female looking aliens who have female pronouns are in love. If they were humans, they would both be female. Therefore, it would be considered a lesbian couple. This is what people mean.

      Since when is Ruby or Sapphire soly "female" pronouns?

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    • It's just a sweet kiss.

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    • LarsMars wrote:

      Doctorbleak wrote:

      Snackys wrote:
      Well, I ship the two, so...

      And, Ruby acts a bit more masculine than femnine, and Sapphire acts femnine.

      So, uh....

      you can't really "act" masculine or "act" feminine, no more than you can "act" genderless. masculinity and femininity are moreso just personal values for each individual. like, what one person feels is masculine might not be so for someone else
      THANK YOU, Dr.B! The way someone acts doesn't define their gender!!

      That's funny 'cause on another thread you said that was what defined someone's gender.

      Also, This thread has created a debate. Well Done! That aside, let me point something out: Pearl and Amethyst take up female pronouns and have a female-like figure, as well as act like females. They have no gender, but that seems to be the gender they prefer and have chosen for themselves as well as their physical form, and their personalities. 

      Ruby on the other hand, seems to have more of a boyish personality. Ruby looks like a guy - from a Dragon Ball Z anime albeit - and appears to have chosen, for their physical  form, a male figure. Ruby is without gender, but has chosen this identity, just as Pearl and Amethyst have with their own. 

      The last point: I don't think any of us heard Sapphire call Ruby a he or a she, so we still must speculate what pronouns Ruby goes by, but we can deduct from Ruby's appearance that they prefer the more boyish figure and personality. These two love each other very much, perhaps in a strong sibling-like way, or maybe something more. On a slightly unrelated note: Could they have had Garnet sing Estelle's new song during that scene? Or was it created by Rebecca? The song may have had nothing to do with Sapphire and Ruby. We don't know.

      Anyway, I apologize for the long post.

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    • Well, many people (me included) thought this was a great episode, so be quiet people. No need to debate. One of the storyboarders confirmed it is a romantic relationship, so the end and stuff.

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    • ReasonAndPearls wrote:
      The song may have had nothing to do with Sapphire and Ruby. We don't know.

      that's quite possibly the biggest stretch i've heard about this episode (and i heard somebody claim that jasper "accidentally" took on a feminine form)

      ReasonAndPearls wrote:
      Ruby on the other hand, seems to have more of a boyish personality. Ruby looks like a guy - from a Dragon Ball Z anime albeit - and appears to have chosen, for their physical  form, a male figure. Ruby is without gender, but has chosen this identity, just as Pearl and Amethyst have with their own. 

      rebecca confirmed that steven is the first and only male (or male-oriented, for a better way of putting it) gem, which would include ruby, as ruby already existed prior to this episode

      ANYWAYS mahmoomiletata's right it was a good episode and we're done with it

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    • You would think after two years people would understand that Gems don't have genders by now...

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    • Are we seriously still talking about this?

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote:

      ReasonAndPearls wrote:
      Ok FIRST OF ALL

      1. Gems do not have gender, they are Gems.

      2. This could have been a sisterly kiss, of two sisters who can't be apart and love each other that much. That's what I thought.

      Not one one of the writers state its romantic

      http://joethejohnston.tumblr.com/post/113498250748/are-you-allowed-to-tell-us-if-sapphire-and-rubys HERE Ya go.

      YES THEY HAVE.

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    • Rikoswind29 wrote:
      So the more they love each other the stronger the fusion it all makes sense.

      http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:63308 I talk about it myself

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    • they have no gender, and they are in a romantic relationship. Is this also the new Korrasammi?

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    • It's not Korrasami because we have 2 more seasons where they can potentially expand on the relationship. I am EXCITED to get to know Ruby, Sapphire, and their relationship more. I'm sure Steven will be too once he has a little time to breathe - he's definitely going to still want to meet them more properly and fully, perhaps at his next birthday. 

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    • On a completely unrelated note, there are some cuss words on this thread. Shouldn't they be removed in the interest of the kids that maybe around? Right? :?

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    • GabyRippling wrote:
      It's not Korrasami because we have 2 more seasons where they can potentially expand on the relationship. I am EXCITED to get to know Ruby, Sapphire, and their relationship more. I'm sure Steven will be too once he has a little time to breathe - he's definitely going to still want to meet them more properly and fully, perhaps at his next birthday. 

      So excited for Steven's next birthday, and for Season 3! Hooray for the future!

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    • Also, I'm going to say here what I said elsewhere - if Gems have no dimorphic sexuality (and their gender dichotomy seems to stop at stone butch (Jasper) and tomboy (Ruby)), then they all technically appear to be the same gender, and so all their relationships are homosexual. (Well, technically homo-romantic, since there's the vocal portion who keep noting that Gems don't have sexes. Whatever.)

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    • GabyRippling wrote:
      Also, I'm going to say here what I said elsewhere - if Gems have no dimorphic sexuality (and their gender dichotomy seems to stop at stone butch (Jasper) and tomboy (Ruby)), then they all technically appear to be the same gender, and so all their relationships are homosexual. (Well, technically homo-romantic, since there's the vocal portion who keep noting that Gems don't have sexes. Whatever.)

      yes, but when something is of only one type, there is no typre, but just that, so they have no orientation. classifying it as anything would be wrong. For instance, you can't compare it to a human relationship, so the statement for the title makes no sense.

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    • So they just have relationships! Which is also great, right? An entire civilization that doesn't (or doesn't have to) put labels on their romantic relationships. Whenever there's romance between two gems, it's just romance. Gems are gems. 

      I guess because so many human societies are so homophobic and transphobic, to the point of life and death sometimes, seeing a relationship that isn't 100% MAN + WOMAN is a pretty big deal.

      It's not a big deal for everyone, but I don't see any harm in letting people see something that isn't straight and be excited about that. It's such a hostile world we live in. 

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    • JetLignite wrote:
      So they just have relationships! Which is also great, right? An entire civilization that doesn't (or doesn't have to) put labels on their romantic relationships. Whenever there's romance between two gems, it's just romance. Gems are gems. 

      I guess because so many human societies are so homophobic and transphobic, to the point of life and death sometimes, seeing a relationship that isn't 100% MAN + WOMAN is a pretty big deal.

      It's not a big deal for everyone, but I don't see any harm in letting people see something that isn't straight and be excited about that. It's such a hostile world we live in. 

      Thats waht I meant when I asked if this is the new Korrassami, because I'm pretty used to writers throwing those gay couples in as normal as a lesson that they are. Now, whenever I see a girl (gems don't count, though. They aren't comparable to human gender.) say she likes a girl, I go "aww, so sweet" not "yes, its a gay couple!" because theres a whole list of them now in cartoons (and a childrens book), mostly from 2014.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:
      JetLignite wrote:
      So they just have relationships! Which is also great, right? An entire civilization that doesn't (or doesn't have to) put labels on their romantic relationships. Whenever there's romance between two gems, it's just romance. Gems are gems. 

      I guess because so many human societies are so homophobic and transphobic, to the point of life and death sometimes, seeing a relationship that isn't 100% MAN + WOMAN is a pretty big deal.

      It's not a big deal for everyone, but I don't see any harm in letting people see something that isn't straight and be excited about that. It's such a hostile world we live in. 

      Thats waht I meant when I asked if this is the new Korrassami, because I'm pretty used to writers throwing those gay couples in as normal as a lesson that they are. Now, whenever I see a girl (gems don't count, though. They aren't comparable to human gender.) say she likes a girl, I go "aww, so sweet" not "yes, its a gay couple!" because theres a whole list of them now in cartoons (and a childrens book), mostly from 2014.

      Please don't misunderstand me. I lost my mind over Korrassami. I would have appreciated it if the creators bothered to develop that relationship (grrr). I was still excited, regardless. Because there's not enough non-hetero representation in today's media. 

      Conversely, when it's real people in real life, I don't freak out. Much like you I think, "aww, love" <3. LGBTQ people have always existed in real life, not so much in media. 

      Could you message me the examples you mentioned? I'd really like to share that with others. I'd really like that :)

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    • Is Ruby then more of a tom-boy, or taking the physical form and personality of a boy? 

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    • ReasonAndPearls wrote:
      Is Ruby then more of a tom-boy, or taking the physical form and personality of a boy? 

      in all technicality, ruby is genderless, just as every other non-steven gem

      but as i said they're all female-oriented and there's no such thing as a "male personality" so that means she'd be a tomboy if we had to classify it in a binary sense (eugh though i hate using the word tomboy just say "girl")

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    • Opal4Life wrote:
      Are we done here?  Rebecca herself used female pronouns.

      http://rebeccasugar.tumblr.com/post/113764004948/does-ruby-use-male-or-female-pronouns-since-it-a

      i was hoping someone would link to this but i didn't wanna start something myself

      at any rate yes can we get a lock on this topic

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:
      Opal4Life wrote:
      Are we done here?  Rebecca herself used female pronouns.

      http://rebeccasugar.tumblr.com/post/113764004948/does-ruby-use-male-or-female-pronouns-since-it-a

      i was hoping someone would link to this but i didn't wanna start something myself

      at any rate yes can we get a lock on this topic

      here is my explanation of it:They only have one gender. Were only have gender specific pronouns, and they have one for themselves. They decide to identify as female, but again they only have one gender, so really gender isn't a thing, and the human pronouns for women are the same that gems use.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:
      Doctorbleak wrote:
      Opal4Life wrote:
      Are we done here?  Rebecca herself used female pronouns.

      http://rebeccasugar.tumblr.com/post/113764004948/does-ruby-use-male-or-female-pronouns-since-it-a

      i was hoping someone would link to this but i didn't wanna start something myself

      at any rate yes can we get a lock on this topic

      here is my explanation of it:They only have one gender. Were only have gender specific pronouns, and they have one for themselves. They decide to identify as female, but again they only have one gender, so really gender isn't a thing, and the human pronouns for women are the same that gems use.

      you are pretty much fully correct there yes (though your text is really hard to see without highlighting, at least on my computer)

      they don't follow the human gender binary and just use those pronouns since it's what they feel like using even if it's not really a gender the way we think of it

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:
      MysticNerd wrote:
      Doctorbleak wrote:
      Opal4Life wrote:
      Are we done here?  Rebecca herself used female pronouns.

      http://rebeccasugar.tumblr.com/post/113764004948/does-ruby-use-male-or-female-pronouns-since-it-a

      i was hoping someone would link to this but i didn't wanna start something myself

      at any rate yes can we get a lock on this topic

      here is my explanation of it:They only have one gender. Were only have gender specific pronouns, and they have one for themselves. They decide to identify as female, but again they only have one gender, so really gender isn't a thing, and the human pronouns for women are the same that gems use.
      you are pretty much fully correct there yes (though your text is really hard to see without highlighting, at least on my computer)

      they don't follow the human gender binary and just use those pronouns since it's what they feel like using even if it's not really a gender the way we think of it

      Yes, thats how I think of it, and thanks. I used copy and paste, (I wrote that earlier on a comment) anmd I assume that's why it turned out like this. It looks grey for me.

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    • http://joethejohnston.tumblr.com/post/113498250748/are-you-allowed-to-tell-us-if-sapphire-and-rubys

      This proves that their relationship is, in fact, romantic. And the comment above proved that Ruby uses female pronouns, so there, that matter is settled. Now cant we all just be happy for a adorable couple?

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    • I still say Ruby and Sapphire's fusion is the ultimate form of marriage and one could even view Garnet as their offspring.

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    • MCPhatman wrote:
      I still say Ruby and Sapphire's fusion is the ultimate form of marriage and one could even view Garnet as their offspring.

      Agreed, but Garnet is more the manifestation of their union, rather than offspring.

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    • All the talk about sex and no one has commented on how Gems reproduce.  Have you noticed that no one Gem looks like another. That's the clue. I think that the physical gem adopts a biological partner to form a Gem individual. A very sophisticated form of symbiotic relationship.

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    • The gems are sexless, aliens, and the corrupted ones look like monsters...

      This can only mean two things:

      http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:71705

      ..or I am completely wrong lol.

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    • I would like to know why they couldn´t be a lesbian couple. I´ve read all the explanation blablabah, and I think it would be amazing if children could see that love has no boundaries.

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    • I know I'm late and all but my views on the whole homosexual role that sapphire and Ruby play is overly obvious. I keep reading that people believe the gems have no gender but then if that were true how would rose be able to carry a baby or by that logic even have sex with a man to produce a baby, also ruby is not a boy because we have already seen that every other gem other than Steven is a girl and even if ruby is a boy and sapphire a girl then together both the male urges from ruby and the femininity from sapphire would make garnet a lesbian logically speaking...

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    • Tocoleft wrote:
      I know I'm late and all but my views on the whole homosexual role that sapphire and Ruby play is overly obvious. I keep reading that people believe the gems have no gender but then if that were true how would rose be able to carry a baby or by that logic even have sex with a man to produce a baby, also ruby is not a boy because we have already seen that every other gem other than Steven is a girl and even if ruby is a boy and sapphire a girl then together both the male urges from ruby and the femininity from sapphire would make garnet a lesbian logically speaking...

      First, this is nothing against gay people. Anyways, Gems can reproduce with any gender. She did it by shapeshifting the proper organs, since gems don't have actual reproductive organs. Thats why she had to sacrifice herself for steven to be borm. Also, they speak english and we only have pronons to reffer to someone that are gender specific, so they have to chose one of them. They all chose to be women to make simpler, I geuss. Its all been confirmed by the writers.

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    • It's all just an indirect way of homosexuality come on now a lot of cartoons do this now we just have to except it and admit that's what's going on if you have a problem with that explain that to your kids but the show is cute regardless and all trying to say that the hints of lesbianism are there.

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    • Tocoleft wrote:
      It's all just an indirect way of homosexuality come on now a lot of cartoons do this now we just have to except it and admit that's what's going on if you have a problem with that explain that to your kids but the show is cute regardless and all trying to say that the hints of lesbianism are there.

      Again, I'm just trying to be correct to the show. If this is supposed to depict a same-sex trouble without getting in trouble, I don't find it hard to believe, and am okay with. I even thought that Steven Universe would be the first show on carttonnetwork to have a same sex couple.

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    • The fact that the gems are genderless doesn't change the message that was ever so clearly portrayed. Regardless of them having genitalia or not, its easy to tell that these characters were meant to be female. Yes, one more feminine than the other, but isn't that normally the case? That doesn't disprove the fact that these characters are obviously lesbians. Its the symbolism that people are trying to point out. Using the fact that they have no genitalia is nothing more than a cop-out. Besides, if anyone wants to get technical, its not even the genitalia that determens our gender. Its the amount of X chromosomes we have. All of the gems are clearly meant to be female(accept for steven and I think some new guy), regardless of it being stated or not.

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    • That also raises another question for me; If the gems have no gender, why does steven's dad and steven himself call rose his mother?

      If the writter really wanted that statement to be known, she problably should look into that. 

      I mean why not just have him call her *ahem* sorry- I mean it: "The person who gave up their physical form so that I could live." I mean yeah, its a mouth full but at least its politically correct. And its sure to avoid offending anyone who might not consider themselves: "Male" or "Female."  At least that way we wouldn't have any "homophobes"

      protesting "seemingly lesbian" kiss.

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    • MysticNerd wrote:
      Tocoleft wrote:
      I know I'm late and all but my views on the whole homosexual role that sapphire and Ruby play is overly obvious. I keep reading that people believe the gems have no gender but then if that were true how would rose be able to carry a baby or by that logic even have sex with a man to produce a baby, also ruby is not a boy because we have already seen that every other gem other than Steven is a girl and even if ruby is a boy and sapphire a girl then together both the male urges from ruby and the femininity from sapphire would make garnet a lesbian logically speaking...
      First, this is nothing against gay people. Anyways, Gems can reproduce with any gender. She did it by shapeshifting the proper organs, since gems don't have actual reproductive organs. Thats why she had to sacrifice herself for steven to be borm. Also, they speak english and we only have pronons to reffer to someone that are gender specific, so they have to chose one of them. They all chose to be women to make simpler, I geuss. Its all been confirmed by the writers.

      If they wanted to make it simplerl, why the hell didn't they just give them genders?

      They don't have to have genitalia, just those 2 X chromosomes to make the difference; that way we'd have both male and female Gems, and they could still fall in love without sex. 

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    • TucsonRN wrote:
      All the talk about sex and no one has commented on how Gems reproduce.  Have you noticed that no one Gem looks like another. That's the clue. I think that the physical gem adopts a biological partner to form a Gem individual. A very sophisticated form of symbiotic relationship.

      Isn't kinda the opposite or reproduction though?

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    • Darthmobian wrote:
      That also raises another question for me; If the gems have no gender, why does steven's dad and steven himself call rose his mother?

      If the writter really wanted that statement to be known, she problably should look into that. 

      I mean why not just have him call her *ahem* sorry- I mean it: "The person who gave up their physical form so that I could live." I mean yeah, its a mouth full but at least its politically correct. And its sure to avoid offending anyone who might not consider themselves: "Male" or "Female."  At least that way we wouldn't have any "homophobes"

      protesting "seemingly lesbian" kiss.

      All gems use female pronouns, because there are no neutral pronouns.

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    • With Clarence and Steven Universe, maybe some day we'll be able to outright SAY that two characters are gay rather than just imply it. I can't wait for that day, when we stop treating them as this "interest group" and instead like the people they are. 

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    • Darthmobian wrote:
      TucsonRN wrote:
      All the talk about sex and no one has commented on how Gems reproduce.  Have you noticed that no one Gem looks like another. That's the clue. I think that the physical gem adopts a biological partner to form a Gem individual. A very sophisticated form of symbiotic relationship.
      Isn't kinda the opposite or reproduction though?

      not really. that how the shakers started. their problem was that they couldn't keep up recruting new members.

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    • Gosh, I am loving reading this topic! 

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    • This is the most amusing read ever.

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    • DO WE EVEN NEED THIS?!

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    • RoninRokuro wrote:
      DO WE EVEN NEED THIS?!

      Not really, no. Its like, what more is there to discuss?

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    • All the haters of this are obviously hating for only one reason.

      "They're just mad because they're single." ~Epic burn by Garnet, 2015.

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    • I say that all gems identify as female but since they're Gems this isn't a lesbian couple

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    • Oh my fludpucking gosh they do not have a gender and plus why does it matter if they are lesbian.

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    • Ammolite1 wrote:
      Oh my fludpucking gosh they do not have a gender and plus why does it matter if they are lesbian.

      I KNOW RIGHT!!! While I personally don't care if they are lesbian, I hate how everyone assumes they are female identified. Why can't Ruby be a 'boy'.

      There is a part of me that thinks that people call them lesbian just so they can say that lesbians were in a cartoon show. To be honest, the idea of Rose and Pearl being lesbian seems more plausible.

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    • Lol. WTF. Nobody is assuming anything. It's been CONFIRMED they are both female identified. Steven is the only male gem in the series.

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    • Why can't there be any 'male' gems!!!!!!!!!

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    • Kai-reason wrote:
      Why can't there be any 'male' gems!!!!!!!!!

      My current theory, the original gems were created by ancient magicians as female companions, who rose above their male masters. Ever since, all gems were created as female.

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    • Kai-reason wrote: Why can't there be any 'male' gems!!!!!!!!!

      They might suprise us with a gem with male characteristics, but guys it's no big deal, I'm perfectly fine with all gems having female characteristics, just get over it

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    • I laughed too hard at this post.


      -- Booty had me like ‎( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (Talk) 05:38, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
      
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    • Yoshimickster wrote:

      Kai-reason wrote:
      Why can't there be any 'male' gems!!!!!!!!!

      My current theory, the original gems were created by ancient magicians as female companions, who rose above their male masters. Ever since, all gems were created as female.

      Well from what I've been reading the gems choose to take the forms they're in, they are not forced into those forms, they can change their bodies to look like males as their permanent body if they want to, they just choose to be like that, and there's nothing wrong with that. Amethyst has changed into a male body multiple times, the purple puma, the idiot cop, Steven, many different bodies with male like features, so they are capable of having male bodies.

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    • they just prefer feminine characteristics because jewelry is for girls

      //shot down

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    • nonbinary girls exist agender girls exist genderless girls exist nonbinary lesbians exist!!

      also luv how nobody ever objects to any other gendered words being used about the gems, until someone dares to mention lesbians!! ha!!

      also @people who INSIST that their relationship would be platonic: oh come ON, don't even ATTEMPT to convince me anybody would think it was platonic if they were a boy and a girl, lol

      ruby and sapphire are nonbinary lesbians and yes!! it matters! that they are lesbians! fictional characters' sexuality DOES in fact, matter, because lgbpq+ representation is shit, and a lesbian couple in a childrens' cartoon is a Big Deal!!! to all the little girls who'll grow up to be lesbians/girls who like girls, especially! "it doesn't matter whether they're a couple or not, or what their sexuality is" more like "lol why can't everyone just be straight w/o anyone questioning it"

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    • also @people who claim if ruby is any gender, she must be a boy, bc she's not that girly - uh. gender nonconforming women exist?? not all women are feminine?? stop trying to make things that aren't het het???

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    • PREACH IT WICKEDEST WITCH!

      And when Jamie asks out Garnet, it will be the most awkward moment in the history of animation. 

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