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    05:46, March 16, 2015

    ruby, jasper (and malachite) are problably male gender pronun but take a female body, and a female voice.

    lets analysis:

    ruby - she acts like a boy, rude like a boy.

    jasper - just...look at its personality.

    malachite - for being jasper's fusion....

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    • No.

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    • there is no "female body" or "female voice" to it none of them have a binary gender

      also what does "acts like a boy" even mean?? every person acts different

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    • jasper is a female steven asked garnet if she would take her on alone

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    • I lost brain cells reading this post.....*shudder*

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    • Doctorbleak wrote:
      there is no "female body" or "female voice" to it none of them have a binary gender

      also what does "acts like a boy" even mean?? every person acts different

      I just think it.

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    • Lgb111 wrote:
      jasper is a female steven asked garnet if she would take her on alone

      in what scene?

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    • The one where Ruby and Sapphire fuse back again.

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Doctorbleak wrote:
      there is no "female body" or "female voice" to it none of them have a binary gender

      also what does "acts like a boy" even mean?? every person acts different

      I just think it.

      something that you "just think" doesn't really hold any merit, man...

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Lgb111 wrote:
      jasper is a female steven asked garnet if she would take her on alone
      in what scene?

      right after garnet gave steven the future vision to find pearl and amethyst 

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Lgb111 wrote:
      jasper is a female steven asked garnet if she would take her on alone
      in what scene?

      i believe that's referring to the scene right before the garnet/jasper fight about at the time that steven gets future vision for a sec

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    • TheDersitePrince wrote:
      LikeBrony wrote:
      Lgb111 wrote:
      jasper is a female steven asked garnet if she would take her on alone
      in what scene?
      right after garnet gave steven the future vision to find pearl and amethyst 

      oh yes.

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    • all the gems are non-binary. there is no such thing as a "female body" to them. the wikia even lists them as sex-less so i feel as if most of the community has already discussed this. human gender binary does not apply to them especially since they can shift shape so there is honestly no way you can assign a gender to their bodies. 

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    • ....no just no, this is in weird fanfic territory

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    • Sushiitaco wrote:
      all the gems are non-binary. there is no such thing as a "female body" to them. the wikia even lists them as sex-less so i feel as if most of the community has already discussed this. human gender binary does not apply to them especially since they can shift shape so there is honestly no way you can assign a gender to their bodies. 

      Technically you can't assign sex, but so far it seems all the Crystal Gems have answered to being idetified as female by others, although this could be just through experience and it could be that most homeworld Gems are Agender, I can't recall any of them responding to or self-referring as female.

      Either way, 'acts like a boy' is just a phrasing for "why aren't there any outright masculine/'male' gems?".

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    • Gold Starz wrote:
      Sushiitaco wrote:
      all the gems are non-binary. there is no such thing as a "female body" to them. the wikia even lists them as sex-less so i feel as if most of the community has already discussed this. human gender binary does not apply to them especially since they can shift shape so there is honestly no way you can assign a gender to their bodies. 
      Technically you can't assign sex, but so far it seems all the Crystal Gems have answered to being idetified as female by others, although this could be just through experience and it could be that most homeworld Gems are Agender, I can't recall any of them responding to or self-referring as female.

      Either way, 'acts like a boy' is just a phrasing for "why aren't there any outright masculine/'male' gems?".

      im not sure what you mean by the "technically you can't assign sex" comment. if it was a response to something i said then i never said anything about the assignment of sex i was commenting on how the OP was trying to assign a gender to them based on their bodies when that's most likely impossible to do. i'm pretty sure it was confirmed somewhere by the creators that all gems are non-binary. it's possible to be a femme non-binary and respond or use she/her pronouns however i've never seen them refer to themselves as women (i have heard them refer to themselves as "gems" many times though). 


      edit: i also want to include that there are non-binary people who will refer to themselves as boys, girls, men, women, etc. however, i won't push the non-binary identity topic if the gems are confirmed to identify as women only. 

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    • oh and also i think the reason why there aren't any outright masculine gems is because the creators are trying to make a point with it. typically in the animation world (of course there are probably many cartoons that can be excluded from this generalization but i remember people discussing how disney/the animation studio that typically works with disney, whose name escapes me at the moment, does what i'm about to describe), female or femme main characters have very similar designs and typically look attractive while male main characters can have a range of different body types and facial structures. 

      basically a huge "screw you" to the part of the animation world that does that. 

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    • No. Plain and simple.

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    • oh and here's Rebecca Sugar saying there are no female gems

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    • Sushiitaco wrote:
      oh and also i think the reason why there aren't any outright masculine gems is because the creators are trying to make a point with it. typically in the animation world (of course there are probably many cartoons that can be excluded from this generalization but i remember people discussing how disney/the animation studio that typically works with disney, whose name escapes me at the moment, does what i'm about to describe), female or femme main characters have very similar designs and typically look attractive while male main characters can have a range of different body types and facial structures. 

      basically a huge "screw you" to the part of the animation world that does that. 

      don't be ridiculous, if you watch the show, all the gems, sadie, and nanafua have different body types, two) your friend was more then likely how some fans whine how all disney princess like they could be anorexic models (The disgruntle fan words not mine). three It is word of god that the gem are sexless, not a fan not an administror, but someone who actually who works on the show. and unless any gem from homeworld or kindergarten show a male counterpart i say lets drop this and close the thread (And don't bring up steven cause tecnically he is half-human so his gender would come from his HUMAN father side.)

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    • Ghidorafour wrote:
      Sushiitaco wrote:
      oh and also i think the reason why there aren't any outright masculine gems is because the creators are trying to make a point with it. typically in the animation world (of course there are probably many cartoons that can be excluded from this generalization but i remember people discussing how disney/the animation studio that typically works with disney, whose name escapes me at the moment, does what i'm about to describe), female or femme main characters have very similar designs and typically look attractive while male main characters can have a range of different body types and facial structures. 

      basically a huge "screw you" to the part of the animation world that does that. 

      don't be ridiculous, if you watch the show, all the gems, sadie, and nanafua have different body types, two) your friend was more then likely how some fans whine how all disney princess like they could be anorexic models (The disgruntle fan words not mine). three It is word of god that the gem are sexless, not a fan not an administror, but someone who actually who works on the show. and unless any gem from homeworld or kindergarten show a male counterpart i say lets drop this and close the thread (And don't bring up steven cause tecnically he is half-human so his gender would come from his HUMAN father side.)

      you are honestly fighting the wrong person here. i recognize that they are genderless but im just commenting on the question brought up by another user about why there are no masculine gems. i never said that steven universe had characters of all the same body types i was literally saying that they were drawing their femme characters with different body types and creating a large amount of characters with different body types as a "screw you" to other animation productions. no offense but did you even read my comments? 

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    • Let me just leave these here . . .

      Pronounsnew
      LookFemale
      StevenMale
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    • Ruby is Male
      And I'm going to leave this here.

      Rebecca said there is a 50/50 chance to use a gender based pronoun from earth, she said "why not be female" she didn't say "they will all be female."

      Case in point one of the crew members working on the show clearly state Ruby is Male, so it was obviously approved by Rebecca, or else that wouldn't be the case.

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    • oh god, now were in the constant stage of mind fuck from last night 0///0

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    • Ixbran wrote:
      Ruby is Male
      And I'm going to leave this here.

      Rebecca said there is a 50/50 chance to use a gender based pronoun from earth, she said "why not be female" she didn't say "they will all be female."

      Case in point one of the crew members working on the show clearly state Ruby is Male, so it was obviously approved by Rebecca, or else that wouldn't be the case.

      And were suppose to take the word of a person who doesn't even work nor has any connection to the show? As opposed to the actual creator?

      •  Rebecca said there is a 50/50 chance to use a gender based pronoun from earth, she said "why not be female" she didn't say "they will all be female."

      There were never any female nor male Gems to begin with >.> (sans Steven)

      Being female =/= Looking like a female

      •  Case in point one of the crew members working on the show clearly state Ruby is Male, so it was obviously approved by Rebecca, or else that wouldn't be the case.

      I don't recall any Rudy Cordon to have worked on the show. Also, is that the YouTube comment section?

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    • Judgekoo wrote:
      Ixbran wrote:
      Ruby is Male
      And I'm going to leave this here.

      Rebecca said there is a 50/50 chance to use a gender based pronoun from earth, she said "why not be female" she didn't say "they will all be female."

      Case in point one of the crew members working on the show clearly state Ruby is Male, so it was obviously approved by Rebecca, or else that wouldn't be the case.

      And were suppose to take the word of a person who doesn't even work nor has any connection to the show? As opposed to the actual creator?
      •  Rebecca said there is a 50/50 chance to use a gender based pronoun from earth, she said "why not be female" she didn't say "they will all be female."

      There were never any female nor male Gems to begin with >.> (sans Steven)

      Being female =/= Looking like a female

      •  Case in point one of the crew members working on the show clearly state Ruby is Male, so it was obviously approved by Rebecca, or else that wouldn't be the case.

      I don't recall any Rudy Cordon to have worked on the show. Also, is that the YouTube comment section?


      Rudy Cordon is just some random Youtube account. Not only that, but a rarely active one. He has no affiliation with the Steven Universe staff, or the staff of any cartoon studio for that matter. He's just some guy that apparently watches Steve Universe, Panty & Stocking, and King of the Hill. Why ANYONE would take a Youbtube commenter's opinion over the creator of the show is unfathomable.

      And Rebecca's 50/50 comment simply means that on Earth we only identify people as "he" and "she" (not counting all the internet-invented gender-neutral pronouns that have not been added to the English language). So the odds of the Gems as a species being slapped with either pronoun is 50/50. That doesn't mean that Gems, individually, could be labeled "he" or "she," because as she also confirmed, they all resemble human females. Therefore, the arbitrary standard is to use feminine pronouns.

      Ruby is as "female" as Pearl, Amethyst, Garnet, Lapis, Sapphire, etc.. Ruby is as much a "she" as the rest of them. She has a romantic relationship with Sapphire (confirmed by staff), also a "she." Get over it, people. It's 2015, evolve already.

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    • Yes, people who assume Ruby is male are kind of desperate, since she is reffered by female pronouns.


      Broadly speaking, gems are sexless, but probably not genderless. If they were, they'd reffer to each other in gender neutral pronouns ("they", for instance) or vary between "she" and "he" randomly. They clearly identify themselves as "female".

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    • Falconfly wrote:
      Yes, people who assume Ruby is male are kind of desperate, since she is reffered by female pronouns.


      Broadly speaking, gems are sexless, but probably not genderless. If they were, they'd reffer to each other in gender neutral pronouns ("they", for instance) or vary between "she" and "he" randomly. They clearly identify themselves as "female".


      Or they would do it like a lot of asian languages do. Referring to people by their names or by some other pronoun that is based on their gem.

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      ruby, jasper (and malachite) are problably male gender pronun but take a female body, and a female voice.

      lets analysis:

      ruby - she acts like a boy, rude like a boy.

      jasper - just...look at its personality.

      malachite - for being jasper's fusion....


      All gems are female in appearance, and they happen to use female pronouns, as stated by Rebecca. However, gems do not have an actual gender. They are just gems. This has also been stated by Rebecca. And even if they did have genders, they'd all be female.

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    • Gatero wrote:
      Judgekoo wrote:
      Ixbran wrote:
      Ruby is Male
      And I'm going to leave this here.

      Rebecca said there is a 50/50 chance to use a gender based pronoun from earth, she said "why not be female" she didn't say "they will all be female."

      Case in point one of the crew members working on the show clearly state Ruby is Male, so it was obviously approved by Rebecca, or else that wouldn't be the case.

      And were suppose to take the word of a person who doesn't even work nor has any connection to the show? As opposed to the actual creator?
      •  Rebecca said there is a 50/50 chance to use a gender based pronoun from earth, she said "why not be female" she didn't say "they will all be female."

      There were never any female nor male Gems to begin with >.> (sans Steven)

      Being female =/= Looking like a female

      •  Case in point one of the crew members working on the show clearly state Ruby is Male, so it was obviously approved by Rebecca, or else that wouldn't be the case.

      I don't recall any Rudy Cordon to have worked on the show. Also, is that the YouTube comment section?


      Rudy Cordon is just some random Youtube account. Not only that, but a rarely active one. He has no affiliation with the Steven Universe staff, or the staff of any cartoon studio for that matter. He's just some guy that apparently watches Steve Universe, Panty & Stocking, and King of the Hill. Why ANYONE would take a Youbtube commenter's opinion over the creator of the show is unfathomable.

      And Rebecca's 50/50 comment simply means that on Earth we only identify people as "he" and "she" (not counting all the internet-invented gender-neutral pronouns that have not been added to the English language). So the odds of the Gems as a species being slapped with either pronoun is 50/50. That doesn't mean that Gems, individually, could be labeled "he" or "she," because as she also confirmed, they all resemble human females. Therefore, the arbitrary standard is to use feminine pronouns.

      Ruby is as "female" as Pearl, Amethyst, Garnet, Lapis, Sapphire, etc.. Ruby is as much a "she" as the rest of them. She has a romantic relationship with Sapphire (confirmed by staff), also a "she." Get over it, people. It's 2015, evolve already.

      Wait if they are in a romantic relationship is Garnet their child? I mean Rose gave up her physical form to create Steven and one could say that Ruby and Sapphire do the same thing. Giving up their lives to create another? Is that's why they never split the ultimate marriage? Is that how Gems procreate with each other?

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    • Fusing isn't mating. When two Gems fuse they become an amalgam of thier physical and mental atributes. Ruby and Sapphire didn't give up their lives to create Garnet. they just game up their physical forms.

      Fusing isn't 'creating' anything, it's just bringing two things together to create a bigger thing, to put it simply.

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    • I theorized about this at one point. Gem sexuality too much reminds me of single celled organisms. If gems can reproduce it would be by fracturing their gems then growing new gems from the peices. This is likely how the kindergarten works.

      Fusion is a different thing. Two cells combining (if only temporarily) to make something bigger and better. Doesn't sound like sex in any form we think of it. But it would require a lot of trust and emotional and mental compatability seam to be an indication on how stable the forms are.

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    • Well then maybe we can see it as the ultimate form of marriage? two souls becoming one?

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    • tbh stop pushing the "female/male" argument honestly. Rebecca Sugar has already stated CLEARLY that no gem is female meaning their sex is not female so it is safe to assume that they themselves do not identify as female meaning also that their gender is not female. sure, do other people call them female and use female pronouns and titles? yes? but like Rebecca Sugar has said, most people use either he/she to refer to someone and since gems happen to look like female humans, they are referred to with female titles and pronouns and they accept it and use it, but that doesn't mean that they are female. for example, actual people who identify as non-binary may refer to themselves as boys or girls or use he/him pronouns or she/her pronouns, but that does not invalidate their identity as non-binary at all! educate yourselves!

      also imo gem fusion is simply a bond between two OR MORE gems. as we've seen, the two gems DO NOT have to be in love with each other (jasper and lapis lazuli; pearl and amethyst) and can have very complicated and not good feelings about being together. honestly, the end result is a symbol and what that symbol represents is the state of the relationship and why they formed together (according to pearl, it's only in most situations where it's dire and they need the strength to fight). obviously we can all debate about this and I'm not saying this is 100% right but I think this is a better concept then it being "gem sex" and "gem marriage" only.

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    • When any show has a mass majority of male characters (good example, DBZ where all the Saiyans seem to be male or any popular cartoon come to think of it), no one says a thing. But when a show decides to reverse that and make the majority of characters female based (who are sexless in reality), someone has to say something. *sighs heavily and shakes head*

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    • They're aliens, they don't follow earthling anatomy rules nor reproduction. As they can shapeshift to anything they choosed one of the two possible human shapes.

      If there were in a planet with four sexes (Lets call them, one, other, both or none) The gems whould choose one of them randomly to shape as, and the inhabitants of that planet would have topics in forums such as "Why Gems are nonesexed?" "Is there any bothsexed gem in homeworld?" "I wish Garnet would be more othersexed and pearl more onesexed so they could halzglatrop together!!!"

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    • Well... No, it's neither a boy or a girl. Remember, gems are genderless! semicolon closed bracket

      No but seriously, I think Ruby identifies as a young boy. Jasper is kind of like a boy's name, but their voice is feminin along with their structure.

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    • Biesaga wrote:
      Well... No, it's neither a boy or a girl. Remember, gems are genderless! semicolon closed bracket

      No but seriously, I think Ruby identifies as a young boy. Jasper is kind of like a boy's name, but their voice is feminin along with their structure.

      "There are no female Gems" "Steven is the first and only male Gem": there are also no male Gems. Ruby is a Gem. Jasper is a Gem. Also, both are voiced by women. Also, Ruby isn't young. She's at the very least 5000 years old, and anyways how would you identify as "young"?

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    • Gems are not male or female (except Steven, of course). It just so happens that every single gem we've seen so far have feminine bodies and voices and use female pronouns like 'she' and 'her'. Rebecca said gems have a 50% chance to use male pronouns (and have more masculine appearances) , and a 50% chance to use female pronouns. I'm pretty sure Ruby is female, but I don't think it's ever directly stated on the show...

      Now I want to see a gem that uses male pronouns :O

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    • LikeBrony wrote:
      Lgb111 wrote:
      jasper is a female steven asked garnet if she would take her on alone
      in what scene?

      in jailbreak a few seconds after garnet refuses steven runs off to get pearl and Amethyst and steven asks her if she was going to take her on alone then garnet says shes never alone

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    • What I think people need to realize is that the people who meet Gems regularly, Steven and Greg, might not be able to understand what "sexless" or "agender" means.

      Steven is just 12 or something, I can imagine he doesn't have much knowledge about these things or is all that capable of imagining how that'd work so he just goes the wasy way about it - using female pronouns because they look female. What pronouns would he use otherwise though? (Since there's a wide range of gender neutral pronouns.)

      Greg, on the other hand, has had a relationship with one of the gems, Rose. He is most probably a heterosexual male so seeing Rose as female (Rose being "feminine" in human terms) just might be natural to him and he refers to her, and other Gems since they are just as feminine, as "she".

      Connie might be an interesting bit but I suppose she just follows Steven. He's been with them his whole life and probably knows what's up, huh? She might be intelligent and well-read but she knows basically nothing about Gems, so she assumes he knows his way around.

      Gems probably don't think about these things. They (maybe not Crystal Gems) might see humans as 'inferior species' and maybe didn't even try explaining this at all.

      But this is what I think and is probably not what the authors meant at all haha. I just imagine this is something like how it could go and what would make sense around this.

      However, as was said up there, Rebecca said that Gems are Gems, there are no female or male gems, even though they appear feminine. Why do we need to assign genders to them at all, do people assign genders to bacterias and amoebas or snails as well?? There's just no need to do that in some cases. They are literally a made up, fictional, extraterrestrial species and don't need to abide the same rules as humans do...

      (Sorry for a rant haha.)

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    • @KingisNitro I think trees would be a better analagy. Trees not only don't have gender in a binary sense (no male or female) but they can even in an obscure sense get themselves pregnant. Not that pregnant as a physical description applies, they just mix dna from any one of the sixteen engendered parts on their own body until they get a fruit, then try and toss the fruit into an environment full of natural resources where hopefully a new plant grows.

      Kindergarten anyone? Perhaps say gems reproduce by fracturing their crystals, embedding them in ground that contains all the chemicals and components sufficient to grow more crystals, bombard with energy to help them grow and suddenly a hundred new amethysts.....

      In that respect where do mamillian gender roles even remotely apply?

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    • Toyloli wrote:
      @KingisNitro I think trees would be a better analagy. Trees not only don't have gender in a binary sense (no male or female) but they can even in an obscure sense get themselves pregnant. Not that pregnant as a physical description applies, they just mix dna from any one of the sixteen engendered parts on their own body until they get a fruit, then try and toss the fruit into an environment full of natural resources where hopefully a new plant grows.

      Kindergarten anyone? Perhaps say gems reproduce by fracturing their crystals, embedding them in ground that contains all the chemicals and components sufficient to grow more crystals, bombard with energy to help them grow and suddenly a hundred new amethysts.....

      In that respect where do mamillian gender roles even remotely apply?

      I hate to tell you this but it KINDA implied that Kindergarten is NOT how gems normally reproduce and is seen by the crystal gems as parasitic then actual birth i think there a different method there. but your tree analagy kinda still works though.

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    • Ghidorafour wrote:

      I hate to tell you this but it KINDA implied that Kindergarten is NOT how gems normally reproduce

      Your not breaking anything to me, but I also get the implication that crystal gems don't often reproduce. The mass manufacting style used in the kindergarten is a byproduct of war. For all we know in antiquity before the war there were only a limited number of gems the the mass reproduction of gems changed how they think about gems.

      Additionally I think Ruby and Saphire give clear indication that romance and love still exist amongst gem-kind. Double additionally everyone keeps saying how Steven proves that gems reproduce sexually. Except that steven has Rose's gem. She didn't make a new gem, she passed her gem to her son.

      I would hazard basically that gems reproducing is relatively new to their specie and culture.

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    • Toyloli wrote:
      Ghidorafour wrote:
      I hate to tell you this but it KINDA implied that Kindergarten is NOT how gems normally reproduce
      Your not breaking anything to me, but I also get the implication that crystal gems don't often reproduce. The mass manufacting style used in the kindergarten is a byproduct of war. For all we know in antiquity before the war there were only a limited number of gems the the mass reproduction of gems changed how they think about gems.

      Additionally I think Ruby and Saphire give clear indication that romance and love still exist amongst gem-kind. Double additionally everyone keeps saying how Steven proves that gems reproduce sexually. Except that steven has Rose's gem. She didn't make a new gem, she passed her gem to her son.

      I would hazard basically that gems reproducing is relatively new to their specie and culture.

      I agree. Especially when you recall the test when all three crystal gems admitted that there was no gems like before (Which combine with Rebecca comment). He is a unique being in gem culture, (And combine with WHOM his 'mother' was may be seen as the homeworld may want to dissect if they realize he is NOT Rose Quartz but Rose's son.

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    • None of the gems are female, they are just gems with female characteristics. I kind of already knew that because it was also said that they are purely genderless. They aren't female, but they aren't male.

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    • Toyloli wrote:
      @KingisNitro I think trees would be a better analagy. Trees not only don't have gender in a binary sense (no male or female) but they can even in an obscure sense get themselves pregnant. Not that pregnant as a physical description applies, they just mix dna from any one of the sixteen engendered parts on their own body until they get a fruit, then try and toss the fruit into an environment full of natural resources where hopefully a new plant grows.

      Kindergarten anyone? Perhaps say gems reproduce by fracturing their crystals, embedding them in ground that contains all the chemicals and components sufficient to grow more crystals, bombard with energy to help them grow and suddenly a hundred new amethysts.....

      In that respect where do mamillian gender roles even remotely apply?

      Actually, trees (any angiospermic and some gymnospermic plants) would be a poor analogy, as trees do have a type of "sex". A monoecious plant is a hermaphrodite (most plants are), in which it's flowers coantain both male and female reproductive parts. A dioecios plant is a plant in which both male and female parts are born on different individuals. Papaya (Carica papaya) for example, it's male and female flowers can't be found on the same plant, one plant is staminate (male) and the other is pistillate (female). And the reproductive parts of angiosperm plants (which are BTW, flowers) do have a gender/sex, per se, androecium pertains to the male parts that produce pollen that fertilizes the ovum which is included in the gynoecium which pertains to the female parts.

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    • Just want to state there's a difference between the terms Gender and Sex. Sex is what one is biologically/phyiscally. So by human qualifications, gems aren't male or female. They aren't Man or Woman. The only gem with a defined sex is Steven.

      Gender is what one is socially/identifies as, aka pronouns. How some can be born a female, but identify as masculine and want to be called 'he/him'.

      So far unless proven by any of the Steven Universe crew, all Gems have used Feminine pronouns. The only Gems to use other pronouns than 'she/her' is Steven and Stevonnie who the latter doesn't have any pronouns.

      I'm not ruling out that there will be any he/him gendered gems outside of Steven though, but if it were to come they'd make sure to stress it.

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    • RoyalJelliefish wrote:
      Just want to state there's a difference between the terms Gender and Sex. Sex is what one is biologically/phyiscally. So by human qualifications, gems aren't male or female. They aren't Man or Woman. The only gem with a defined sex is Steven.

      Gender is what one is socially/identifies as, aka pronouns. How some can be born a female, but identify as masculine and want to be called 'he/him'.

      So far unless proven by any of the Steven Universe crew, all Gems have used Feminine pronouns. The only Gems to use other pronouns than 'she/her' is Steven and Stevonnie who the latter doesn't have any pronouns.

      I'm not ruling out that there will be any he/him gendered gems outside of Steven though, but if it were to come they'd make sure to stress it.

      I'm not coming after you or anything because I'm glad you're pointing out the differences between sex and gender, but gender =/= pronouns! The reason I'm replying to the people saying gender = pronouns is because I think it's important we all understand that it isn't like that in this fandom. 

      But, also, there's something telling me there won't be any he/him using gems. I just have a hunch like I think the show is trying to make a point with doing this. 

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    • Okay this is starting to feel repetitive. all were doing is running in circle, (Doesn't help that  there was that false info from a guy who doesn't even work on the show. and feel as if even with the show writers confirmed word of god, we be stuck arguing this forever.) can't we just agree that this is a very heated topic that does not truly have a clear answer that will satisfy anyone 100 percent.

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    • Yeah this is getting out of control, I think we should just stop talking about it. Especially with that false information about rose seeing greg as a pet, and the gems thinking of males as the inferior gender, it's getting annoying and I think that was going too far!

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    • Kevin125 wrote:
      Yeah this is getting out of control, I think we should just stop talking about it. Especially with that false information about rose seeing greg as a pet, and the gems thinking of males as the inferior gender, it's getting annoying and I think that was going too far!

      when did...........anyone say that the gems saw males as the inferior gender or that rose saw greg as a pet.........

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    • Sushiitaco wrote:
      Kevin125 wrote:
      Yeah this is getting out of control, I think we should just stop talking about it. Especially with that false information about rose seeing greg as a pet, and the gems thinking of males as the inferior gender, it's getting annoying and I think that was going too far!
      when did...........anyone say that the gems saw males as the inferior gender or that rose saw greg as a pet.........

      Eh, someone tried to hand out false info here.

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    • see that, could have been our discussion. so can we please lock this discussion and agreed that we may never truly agree about the gems gender even with word of god or otherwise. and that this thread may be better close before it gets too heated.

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    • it;s probably been said before but:

      - the gems are sexless and genderless

      - sex =/= gender

      - pronoun choice =/= gender

      - the way they act =/=gender

      - the character design and overall look =/= gender

      - the only male "gem" is steven, only because he is half human 


      i hope i covered everything 

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    • Spoofdty wrote:
      it;s probably been said before but:

      - the gems are sexless and genderless

      - sex =/= gender

      - pronoun choice =/= gender

      - the way they act =/=gender

      - the character design and overall look =/= gender

      - the only male "gem" is steven, only because he is half human 


      i hope i covered everything 

      Quite.

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    • How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.

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    • Spoofdty wrote:
      it;s probably been said before but:

      - the gems are sexless and genderless

      - sex =/= gender

      - pronoun choice =/= gender

      - the way they act =/=gender

      - the character design and overall look =/= gender

      - the only male "gem" is steven, only because he is half human 


      i hope i covered everything 

      Aaaaaalmost everything.

      - The gems are sexless, but they're have gender (it's feminine)

      - sex =/= gender (you're right here)

      - pronoun choice + the way they act + the character design and overall look = gender (it can be feminine (all gems and human women in the show), masculine (Greg, Steven and the others), transgender (like Stevonnie for me) or genderless (if someone looks like the pufferfish or the ice monster)):P

      - biological sex = sex (it can be male (Steven — confirmed), female (all human women in the show), transsex (I don't even want to think about this) and sexless (all aliens in the show — gems, corrupted gems, some gem creatures...)):P

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    • Sharayna wrote:
      How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.

      EXACTLY what i was thinking! The biggest problem with this (a discussions/threads like this) is that people keep trying to look at the gems as if they operate the same ways humans do. They aren't human or even from earth, they are a completely different intelligent species with their own identifying system. sex, gender,boy, girl, etc. are human concepts, not gem concepts. gems are gems.

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    • Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Sharayna wrote:
      How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.
      EXACTLY what i was thinking! The biggest problem with this (a discussions/threads like this) is that people keep trying to look at the gems as if they operate the same ways humans do. They aren't human or even from earth, they are a completely different intelligent species with their own identifying system. sex, gender,boy, girl, etc. are human concepts, not gem concepts. gems are gems.

      Well... the whole wikia is our own identifying system. Why should we use their one?

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    • Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Sharayna wrote:
      How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.
      EXACTLY what i was thinking! The biggest problem with this (a discussions/threads like this) is that people keep trying to look at the gems as if they operate the same ways humans do. They aren't human or even from earth, they are a completely different intelligent species with their own identifying system. sex, gender,boy, girl, etc. are human concepts, not gem concepts. gems are gems.

      a perfect analogy for this would be rocks. crystals one might say. gems, even. :|

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    • Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Sharayna wrote:
      How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.
      EXACTLY what i was thinking! The biggest problem with this (a discussions/threads like this) is that people keep trying to look at the gems as if they operate the same ways humans do. They aren't human or even from earth, they are a completely different intelligent species with their own identifying system. sex, gender,boy, girl, etc. are human concepts, not gem concepts. gems are gems.
      Well... the whole wikia is our own identifying system. Why should we use their one?

      when you see a rock do you go "oh this rock is DEFINITELY a girl. Look at those curls. that's a f**king lady rock right there sir."

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    • Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Sharayna wrote:
      How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.
      EXACTLY what i was thinking! The biggest problem with this (a discussions/threads like this) is that people keep trying to look at the gems as if they operate the same ways humans do. They aren't human or even from earth, they are a completely different intelligent species with their own identifying system. sex, gender,boy, girl, etc. are human concepts, not gem concepts. gems are gems.
      Well... the whole wikia is our own identifying system. Why should we use their one?
      when you see a rock do you go "oh this rock is DEFINITELY a girl. Look at those curls. that's a f**king lady rock right there sir."

      Sure. Feminine gender is the best to identify them, why not?

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    • Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Sharayna wrote:
      How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.
      EXACTLY what i was thinking! The biggest problem with this (a discussions/threads like this) is that people keep trying to look at the gems as if they operate the same ways humans do. They aren't human or even from earth, they are a completely different intelligent species with their own identifying system. sex, gender,boy, girl, etc. are human concepts, not gem concepts. gems are gems.
      Well... the whole wikia is our own identifying system. Why should we use their one?
      when you see a rock do you go "oh this rock is DEFINITELY a girl. Look at those curls. that's a f**king lady rock right there sir."
      Sure. Feminine gender is the best to identify them, why not?

      yeah, no you don't. You see a rock and like EVERY PERSON say "oh a rock" you don't assign a gender to a rock, period. Gems are genderless sexless beings as confirmed by the CREATOR of the show and people need to accept this.

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    • Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Sharayna wrote:
      How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.
      EXACTLY what i was thinking! The biggest problem with this (a discussions/threads like this) is that people keep trying to look at the gems as if they operate the same ways humans do. They aren't human or even from earth, they are a completely different intelligent species with their own identifying system. sex, gender,boy, girl, etc. are human concepts, not gem concepts. gems are gems.
      Well... the whole wikia is our own identifying system. Why should we use their one?
      when you see a rock do you go "oh this rock is DEFINITELY a girl. Look at those curls. that's a f**king lady rock right there sir."
      Sure. Feminine gender is the best to identify them, why not?
      yeah, no you don't. You see a rock and like EVERY PERSON say "oh a rock" you don't assign a gender to a rock, period. Gems are genderless sexless beings as confirmed by the CREATOR of the show and people need to accept this.

      They act like female, pronoun as female, look like female.

      Gender is all these things in a couple.

      Btw, Rebecca just confirmed that they're sexless, not genderless.

      So many people on this wikia are confusing "sex/sexless" with "gender/genderless"

      • Sex can be Male (Steven (his sex was confirmed) and the other men), Female (All women in the show), Transsex (I don't even want to think about that) and Sexless (All gems (as you said, it was confirmed), corrupted gems and the other gem creatures)
      • Gender can be Musculine (Steven, Greg, etc), Feminine (All gems and all human women), Transgender (It's Stevonnie in my opinion, I can't just say if (s)he looks only like a boy or like a girl) and Genderless (like the giant pufferfish or any another creature)

      Sorry, if you can't accept my opinion, I will probably stop arguing. Also sorry for my grammar, I'm still working on that part.

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    • Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Just lemonpeace wrote:
      Sharayna wrote:
      How can you accidently make yourself look like something you don't want to if you have complete control over how your physical form appears? I don't understand this post.
      EXACTLY what i was thinking! The biggest problem with this (a discussions/threads like this) is that people keep trying to look at the gems as if they operate the same ways humans do. They aren't human or even from earth, they are a completely different intelligent species with their own identifying system. sex, gender,boy, girl, etc. are human concepts, not gem concepts. gems are gems.
      Well... the whole wikia is our own identifying system. Why should we use their one?
      when you see a rock do you go "oh this rock is DEFINITELY a girl. Look at those curls. that's a f**king lady rock right there sir."
      Sure. Feminine gender is the best to identify them, why not?
      yeah, no you don't. You see a rock and like EVERY PERSON say "oh a rock" you don't assign a gender to a rock, period. Gems are genderless sexless beings as confirmed by the CREATOR of the show and people need to accept this.
      They act like female, pronoun as female, look like female.

      Gender is all these things in a couple.

      Btw, Rebecca just confirmed that they're sexless, not genderless.

      So many people on this wikia are confusing "sex/sexless" with "gender/genderless"

      • Sex can be Male (Steven (his sex was confirmed) and the other men), Female (All women in the show), Transsex (I don't even want to think about that) and Sexless (All gems (as you said, it was confirmed), corrupted gems and the other gem creatures)
      • Gender can be Musculine (Steven, Greg, etc), Feminine (All gems and all human women), Transgender (It's Stevonnie in my opinion, I can't just say if (s)he looks only like a boy or like a girl) and Genderless (like the giant pufferfish or any another creature)

      Sorry, if you can't accept my opinion, I will probably stop arguing. Also sorry for my grammar, I'm still working on that part.

      i'm not confused on gender and sex it's just i'm aware that gems don't identify as either. So i'm going to break this down for you. looking female: coincidence because there was a 50/50 chance we'd see them as male or female if they took on humanoid form. act female: no such thing as acting like a female because that is socially constucted. if they were shaped as what we see as male i bet you wouldn't say they act female even if they acted the same. using female pronouns: they are using our language and they are aware that to humans they look female so it would make logical sense to use female pronouns for human's sake. this whole conversation started because YOU decided to argue with my comment so don't pretend like i'm being irrational in defending my comment. it is stated fact by the person who created the show that they are just gems not females or males (except steven who is half human). you can have WHATEVER opinion you want to but don't try to argue against my opinion if at the end of the day your opinion does not match up to what Rebecca Sugar says is fact because that means your opinion is objectively wrong. but yeah do you.



      oh and stevonnie is not transgender. transgender means that their sex and gender identification do not match up (i.e male body but identifies as female) and this does not describe stevonnie.


      So for future reference before you go condescendingly trying to educated someone please PLEASE get your facts straight and use actual logic founded in facts not just whatever you FEEL is correct.


      rant concluded

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    • Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Spoofdty wrote:
      it;s probably been said before but:

      - the gems are sexless and genderless

      - sex =/= gender

      - pronoun choice =/= gender

      - the way they act =/=gender

      - the character design and overall look =/= gender

      - the only male "gem" is steven, only because he is half human 


      i hope i covered everything 

      Aaaaaalmost everything.

      - The gems are sexless, but they're have gender (it's feminine)

      - sex =/= gender (you're right here)

      - pronoun choice + the way they act + the character design and overall look = gender (it can be feminine (all gems and human women in the show), masculine (Greg, Steven and the others), transgender (like Stevonnie for me) or genderless (if someone looks like the pufferfish or the ice monster)):P

      - biological sex = sex (it can be male (Steven — confirmed), female (all human women in the show), transsex (I don't even want to think about this) and sexless (all aliens in the show — gems, corrupted gems, some gem creatures...)):P

      QGliE8w

      there are no female gems

      - "[–]RebeccaSugar[S] 19 points 

      6 months ago 

      Steven is the first and only male Gem, because he is half human!

      Technically, there are no female Gems! There are only Gems! " (http://www.reddit.com/user/RebeccaSugar)

      - hey now..i use he/she/them pronouns because i couldn't care less, i do not act like a boy OR  a girl, my body looks somewhere inbetween and i choose not to dress feminine or masculine and what does that make me? a void? there are so many people out there who do the same as me so no. pronoun choice, appearance, is NOT your gender. you dont walk up to a girl who dresses somewhat masculine and tell her "hey you look like a boy so youre a boy".

      -feminine is not a gender. feminity is a social construct created by cissexist people who think "girls dress like this, look like this, act like this and talk like this. if you are a girl and you dont look like this, youre a freak."

      -transsex??????????? do you mean transgender? transgender is not a gender either its just an umbrella term for those who arent cisgender

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    • Luiysia wrote:

      "There are no female Gems" "Steven is the first and only male Gem": there are also no male Gems. Ruby is a Gem. Jasper is a Gem. Also, both are voiced by women. Also, Ruby isn't young. She's at the very least 5000 years old, and anyways how would you identify as "young"?


      Playing devil's advocate here since I do think it's silly to try to define a race of alien shape shifting life forms whose bodies are composed of energy with human genders and that ultimately you can call them he, she, or it and the pronouns would all be equally accurate, but being voiced by a woman doesn't mean anything. Young boys are often voiced by women since there's no fear of the actor's voice changing radically due to puberty, the Japanese voice actor for Goku is a woman, three of the four (five if you count Team Four Star) English voice actors of Frieza were women.

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    • I'm not good with some english terms so Judgekoo would probably explain it better than me :0

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    • Spoofdty wrote:
      Andrey Andrey wrote:
      Spoofdty wrote:
      it;s probably been said before but:

      - the gems are sexless and genderless

      - sex =/= gender

      - pronoun choice =/= gender

      - the way they act =/=gender

      - the character design and overall look =/= gender

      - the only male "gem" is steven, only because he is half human 


      i hope i covered everything 

      Aaaaaalmost everything.

      - The gems are sexless, but they're have gender (it's feminine)

      - sex =/= gender (you're right here)

      - pronoun choice + the way they act + the character design and overall look = gender (it can be feminine (all gems and human women in the show), masculine (Greg, Steven and the others), transgender (like Stevonnie for me) or genderless (if someone looks like the pufferfish or the ice monster)):P

      - biological sex = sex (it can be male (Steven — confirmed), female (all human women in the show), transsex (I don't even want to think about this) and sexless (all aliens in the show — gems, corrupted gems, some gem creatures...)):P

      QGliE8w

      there are no female gems

      - "[–]RebeccaSugar[S] 19 points 6 months ago 

      Steven is the first and only male Gem, because he is half human!

      Technically, there are no female Gems! There are only Gems! " (http://www.reddit.com/user/RebeccaSugar)

      - hey now..i use he/she/them pronouns because i couldn't care less, i do not act like a boy OR  a girl, my body looks somewhere inbetween and i choose not to dress feminine or masculine and what does that make me? a void? there are so many people out there who do the same as me so no. pronoun choice, appearance, is NOT your gender. you dont walk up to a girl who dresses somewhat masculine and tell her "hey you look like a boy so youre a boy".

      -feminine is not a gender. feminity is a social construct created by cissexist people who think "girls dress like this, look like this, act like this and talk like this. if you are a girl and you dont look like this, youre a freak."

      -transsex??????????? do you mean transgender? transgender is not a gender either its just an umbrella term for those who arent cisgender

      Question, do you know the difference between sex and gender? Because reading from your statements it feels like it's as if you don't.

      "Sex" refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women. "Gender" refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women. To put it another way: "Male" and "female" are sex categories, while "masculine" and "feminine" are gender categories

      •  feminine is not a gender. feminity is a social construct created by cissexist people who think "girls dress like this, look like this, act like this and talk like this. if you are a girl and you dont look like this, youre a freak."

      Femininity is a gender. Gender delineates what is "masculine" and "feminine". Yes femininity is a social construct but it is also attributed by biological factors, it was coined in the medieval era in which people were still pretty sexist but the term stuck around.

      •   "girls dress like this, look like this, act like this and talk like this. if you are a girl and you dont look like this, youre a freak."

      Then the girl isn't feminine, simple as that. It doesn't make her less of a girl. A boy who still sees himself as a boy, prefers to play with dolls, dress in pink because it's his favorite color, keeps his hair long, does this make him any less of a boy? No! It's just he isn't masculine by the standards of society. That's were the difference between gender and sex becomes apparent. Society and culture constructs what is "feminine" and "masculine" but both of these does not equate to someone's sex.

      •  transsex??????????? do you mean transgender? transgender is not a gender either its just an umbrella term for those who arent cisgender

      Dear Lord, you are relentless. Transsex isn't short for transgender (though it is quite apparent, I don't know how you missed it), it's short for transSEXUAL. A person who transitions from one sex to the other. Transsexual people feel they are born in the wrong body and they wan't to change that either by hormones or surgery. Transgender is when their expression, behavior, or general sense of self does not conform to what is usually associated with the sex they were born in the first place.

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    • Can we PLEASE stop perpetuating sexism in this post! "Rude like a boy" doesn't make someone a boy. How you act has nothing to do with your gender or the pronouns you choose.

      If you want to discuss the gender of the gems.. AGAIN, please do it in another post. I am going to close this thread as the discussion has been solved by Rebecca Sugar and the premise for the discussion was quite offensive.

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