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  • A little late, but here it is. There will be spoilers in here.

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    • This is interesting to see Jasper so needy. This also creepy how Jasper followed Lapis. I wonder if somehow the fusion give Jasper and Lapis somewhat of a telephat link

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    • Where did jasper go?

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    • "I miss her"

      -Finds her-

      "I HATE YOU"

      Every family reunion ever

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    • Lol

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    • HAH i knew she wouldnt get a shot at redemption!

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    • Pomi098 wrote:
      Where did jasper go?

      Neptune.

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    • Jasper is a stalker

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    • What just happened? That episode was just...I don't know.

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    • Jasper is so toxic! She tried to make Lapis feels guilty and succeed.

      It looks like their relation is abuser-abused - it's frequent situation when abuser tries to make abused person like abuser.

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    • Jasper has a fusion addiction.

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    • hmmmmm I wonder what kind of monster jasper was talking about.

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    • ...

      Im very surprised, I didnt like this ep at all

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    • Team Homeworld blasting off again

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    • This was such an abusive relationship thing. How Jasper promised she had changed, begging her, yet being so aggresive with Steven and blaming the third party. Lapis blaming herself. Finally standing up for herself. When Jasper flew, I choked on my cookie I laughed so hard. Its strange to see Jasper so... needy. 

      My love for Lapis grew today. 

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    • So uh. Doesn't look like Jasper's getting redeemed any time soon. I think this might be the "More to her character" that the writers were talking about.

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    • Looks like we found one more person Steven hates. I guess he regrets trying to save her in Super Watermelon Island now.

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    • looks like we aren't getting that jasper redemption...

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    • Wow. That was intense. I actully thought to myself, "Oh my! Is Lapis gonna fuse with Jasper again?!" but I was both relieved and amazed when she refused. Way to go Lapis!

      Also was I only one who was thinking "Looks like Japser is blasting off agaiiiiin!" When Lapis sent her flying?

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    • Jasper got friend zoned 

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    • I love the way she's got One punched to Neptune.

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    • Seriously, where was Greg at when the showdown occured?

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    • Malachite is a metaphor for an abusive and unstable relationship

      Move out Pearl. Jasper is the thirsty one now, thirsty for Lapis

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    • She had that abusive partner vibe coming from her. The "you're just as bad as me," "things will be better this time," etc. Judging from this, I think Malachite was a metaphor for an unhealthy, abusive relationship, since fusion is a literal embodiment of a relationship. Lapis was great standing up for herself =)

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    • Aimus Amber wrote:
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      Im very surprised, I didnt like this ep at all

      Same :'-(

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    • I should ask on Twitter if he would see Jasper again, but I don't want it to sound like "Hey another episode with Jasper aired today, will we get to see her again?"

      Anyway this episode was just dark IMO.

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    • Klauf wrote:
      Jasper is so toxic! She tried to make Lapis feels guilty and succeed.

      It looks like their relation is abuser-abused - it's frequent situation when abuser tries to make abused person like abuser.

      ...were you paying attention? Lapis straight up ADMITTED she forced the fusion, and despite how toxic it was Jasper liked it, she NEEDED Lapis like many abused people have an emotionally attachment to their abusers. Lapis admits what she did was wrong, but what she REALLY needs to do is freakin' say sorry.

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    • Felt very short. I was scared that they would refuse for a sec

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    • My power went out half way through the episode please someone tell me what happened when Jasper showed up ;-;

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    • Looks like I'm the only one who reckons her redemption is still possible.

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    • Happy62ful wrote:
      Seriously, where was Greg at when the showdown occured?

      most likely the engine room since the engine was broken.

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    • All i can say about Jasper... is that fusion, IS ONE H### OF A DRUG!

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    • Anyway, when Jasper climbed onto the boat I was like "Holy cow!"

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      Looks like I'm the only one who reckons her redemption is still possible.

      Jasper's?

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    • BigFanofEntertainment wrote:
      MiniDaggers wrote:
      Looks like I'm the only one who reckons her redemption is still possible.
      Jasper's?

      No, Greg's. 

      (JK, of course Jasper)

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    • Why can't Jasper have over 3 min of screentime without getting back to the ocean?

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    • If redemption is in her future, Jasper's got a way to go.

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    • When Lapis was tooting the horn it made me think,

      Gems do really have a good connection with sound, between the singing and songs and now that horn basically being the only thing Lapis liked.

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    • i thought lapis had some serious codependency issues . . . but when jasper came . . . OMG the desperation in her eyes, all i kept thinking is the she really needs a (three letter word for climax)

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      BigFanofEntertainment wrote:
      MiniDaggers wrote:
      Looks like I'm the only one who reckons her redemption is still possible.
      Jasper's?
      No, Greg's. 

      (JK, of course Jasper)

      Good sarcasm there. :)

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      Looks like I'm the only one who reckons her redemption is still possible.

      No your not, and HOPEFULLY after Lapis ACTUALLY apologizes, the healing might freaking begin.

      ALSO...can someone point out to Steven that just because Lapis is his friend, SHE isn't the only victim? Jasper was just as much a victim of that relationship, maybe even more so.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Why can't Jasper have over 3 min of screentime without getting back to the ocean?

      Becuase the Crewniverse hates Jasper.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Klauf wrote:
      Jasper is so toxic! She tried to make Lapis feels guilty and succeed.

      It looks like their relation is abuser-abused - it's frequent situation when abuser tries to make abused person like abuser.

      ...were you paying attention? Lapis straight up ADMITTED she forced the fusion, and despite how toxic it was Jasper liked it, she NEEDED Lapis like many abused people have an emotionally attachment to their abusers. Lapis admits what she did was wrong, but what she REALLY needs to do is freakin' say sorry.

      True, but Lapis only fused with Jasper to protect Steven...kind of like how sometimes the victim in an abusive relationship stays with their aggressive partner to protect the people they care about. Isolation from loved ones or threatening them is a common control tactic used by abusers.

      Lapis did exhibit some Stockholm syndrome behavior though, but she said that was because they were Malachite for so long.

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    • The whole fishing scene made me think that Lapis was trying to make it up to Greg for what happened, especially with the hand on Steven moment.

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    • BigFanofEntertainment wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Why can't Jasper have over 3 min of screentime without getting back to the ocean?
      Becuase the Crewniverse hates Jasper.

      WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT no they...yeah they kinda do, poor cheeto puff. She's starting to look like the body-builder version of Harley Quinn at this point.

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    • I'm sure they will have a Jasper themed episode at some point. Her appearance in this one was intended to be a surprise (a.k.a. the stuff that spoilers ruin for almost everyone).

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    • Before the  Gem War  I wonder if Lapis did other  terrible things due to what Jasper is saying

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    • I guess theres no room for jasper as my second favorite character anymore :/

      she used to be a bad person and a good character

      now shes a bad person and a pathetic character

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    • Hmm, have the moral guardians left Cartoon Network? They'd never allow this stuff to reach kids

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    • We get Jasper back for three minutes and she's gone again

      Too early for her development anyway

      Nice episode though, I'm happy we got a lapis episode

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    • Jasper only wants power, not friends, she isnt looking to join the CG's.

      that was really creepy how she acted though.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Klauf wrote:
      Jasper is so toxic! She tried to make Lapis feels guilty and succeed.

      It looks like their relation is abuser-abused - it's frequent situation when abuser tries to make abused person like abuser.

      ...were you paying attention? Lapis straight up ADMITTED she forced the fusion, and despite how toxic it was Jasper liked it, she NEEDED Lapis like many abused people have an emotionally attachment to their abusers. Lapis admits what she did was wrong, but what she REALLY needs to do is freakin' say sorry.

      Not attacking here . . . but if youre saying Lapis needs to apologize, my question is why? Her original intent in fusing and maintaining it was to keep Jasper from terrorizing the Earth. In-show, this seems like an overall (with all things considered) positive thing. Subtextually, (the real world abuser-abusee parellel) maybe Lapis owes an apology.

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    • Iceauror8 wrote: So uh. Doesn't look like Jasper's getting redeemed any time soon. I think this might be the "More to her character" that the writers were talking about.

      Maybe in the future, just not now, man just three minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions

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    • Am I the only person who fell out of their seat when I saw jaspers hand?!

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    • Honestly I saw the twist in personality from Jasper as something that shows she can change her mind. The vulnerability caused by Lapis's rejection and the later discovery that she is likely seen as a traitor to homeworld could very well contribute to her redemption.

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    • Wow just wow, now that took an unexpected turn.

      Well first of all, Greg nice captain hat, someone has been watching Gilligan's Island.

      Well it is nice to see happy Lapis, at least for a little while. I guess we know why they are holding Lapis bonds with Peridot, bonds with the Crystal Gems, etc., she has her internal conflict, she is not at peace with herself, until she comes to peace with herself, than she can become at peace with others.

      And when Lapis said she missed Jasper, that was a shock even to me. Now I think what is really going on here, Lapis doesn't miss Jasper, but she misses able to take out her frustration on someone, able to have someone be her prisoner, after being a prisoner for so long.

      And Jasper has her own issues, she is pretty much a druggie, that is her problem. She probably bonded with a person her whole life, even it is a twisted bond, it is still a bond.

      One thing I am disappointed in is Steven, first of all he takes over Lars body without his permission, but he says Jasper is awful, yo Steven remember you buddy Peridot was just as awful if not worse, I think he would know better than to judge people, Kevin is one thing, but you don't know nothing about this person I don't care for his tone. But that is his emotion taking over. But that is because this is a Lapis arc, it is her time to development, we will deal with Jasper some other time.

      I was scared we were going to lose Lapis, that she was going to make one of her stupid sacrifices again. Thankful that didn't happen.

      I was so looking forward to this episode for so long, it lived up to the hype, but I think I like "Monster Buddies" because it gave me some unexpected lure.

      I just hope the Malachite shippers don't take this episode the wrong way, they don't love each other, they have some issues, and they just not thinking straight.

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    • Giugiubee03 wrote:
      Am I the only person who fell out of their seat when I saw jaspers hand?!

      probably

      it was very predictable :P

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    • MiniDaggers wrote: Honestly I saw the twist in personality from Jasper as something that shows she can change her mind. The vulnerability caused by Lapis's rejection and the later discovery that she is likely seen as a traitor to homeworld could very well contribute to her redemption.

      Seriously everyone just judging her by those three minutes, remember when we kept judging peridot for like literally every second she did something even a little bit bad?

      Same thing for Jasper, give it time

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    • Seanshon wrote:
      i thought lapis had some serious codependency issues . . . but when jasper came . . . OMG the desperation in her eyes, all i kept thinking is the she really needs a (three letter word for climax)

      A hug? ^¤w¤^

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    • Was I the only one who bursted into laughter when Jasper got punched back into the sea by Lapis?

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    • RoyalDreadlord wrote:
      Was I the only one who bursted into laughter when Jasper got punched back into the sea by Lapis?

      Nope.

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    • I'm kind of seeing lapis in the dark light here, because Jasper wasn't herself, she seems to really be in a needy mood, and lapis certainly wasn't helping her, I can understand why, but at the same time, I do feel it's mostly lapis fault this happened to Jasper. This only makes me support Jasper more, because she seems to really need help.

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    • I bet we can update our theories for "Know Your Fusion"

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    • Jasper kinda asked for it though Media.

      Literally.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote: Jasper kinda asked for it though Media.

      Literally.

      Not denying that, but lapis isn't completly innocent either

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    • Seanshon wrote:
      Yoshimickster wrote: ...were you paying attention? Lapis straight up ADMITTED she forced the fusion, and despite how toxic it was Jasper liked it, she NEEDED Lapis like many abused people have an emotionally attachment to their abusers. Lapis admits what she did was wrong, but what she REALLY needs to do is freakin' say sorry.
      Not attacking here . . . but if youre saying Lapis needs to apologize, my question is why? Her original intent in fusing and maintaining it was to keep Jasper from terrorizing the Earth. In-show, this seems like an overall (with all things considered) positive thing. Subtextually, (the real world abuser-abusee parellel) maybe Lapis owes an apology.

      Intent good or not, forcing Jasper to stay fused with her was wrong. Also, I don't think her protecting anyone was her real intent, especially since Jasper had NO weaponry, NO back-up, and was out-numbered, she could've let the CGs handle her. She wanted someone to punish.

      Aimus Amber wrote: I guess theres no room for jasper as my second favorite character anymore :/

      she used to be a bad person and a good character

      now shes a bad person and a pathetic character

      Maybe...but does that make her a bad character or a dynamic one? I say it gives her a dynamic.

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    • Am I the only whose exctiement of this long awaited episode is lessened how great yesterday's episode was. Since it doesn't mater either way, they should have flipped the order.

      The Malachite fusion, both parties experienced something new and they liked it. For the first time Lapis had power over something, having trapped in that miror and than prisoner by Homeworld, it is understandable, the first time she experienece having her will over another.  For Jasper, first time she had a bond with anybody, she probably never had a real friend her whole life, and she doesn't understand the difference a good bond and a bad bond.

      But as I mentioned in the Monster Reunion thread about Steven's anger or lack of anger, Jasper is AWFUL because she head butted your and kept you and your friends prisoner, yes that is bad, but come on the Diamonds intentionally corrupted a whole lot of gems some of them are their own allies who were loyal to them, yet that get a pass, no rage, no anger, what they did was by far the most awful done in the show that we know of. Gee Steven you are weird, and what happened to that compassion you had in "Super Watemelon Island", that development it just gone.

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    • I think has he unlocks more powers Steven's emotions go more haywire.

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    • SteelRunner15 wrote:
      HAH i knew she wouldnt get a shot at redemption!

      Because Peridot totally didn't try to kill the before, right?

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    • Peridot: tried to kill you on multiple occasions and even insulted your mother, that gets a pass

      Lapis: broke your dads leg, forced Jasper in a fusion, and nearly killed everyone by taking away the ocean, pass

      The diamonds: pretty much are responsible for abondoning their soldiers and corrupting multiple loyal gems, pass

      Jasper: head butted you and imprisoned your friends and that's about it, I hate her

      Kevin: wouldn't leave you alone as stevonnie, I hate him

      I'm really confused with the way Steven handles things

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:

      SteelRunner15 wrote:
      HAH i knew she wouldnt get a shot at redemption!

      Because Peridot totally didn't try to kill the before, right?

      Exactly and not like lapis didn't try anything either, if anything I'd say those two did worse

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    • Wait, what? Am I the only one who feels kinda bad for my poor baby, Jasper?

      I mean, she is a Quartz.. All she has ever known was too be powerful and fight the bad guy, and bejng fused with Lapis made her so much more powerful than she ever was.

      She didn't care about the pain Lapis forced her to be in, she just wanted to feel powerful again and she thought Lapis did too.

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    • I'm impressed as always, crewniverse manages to tackle an intense topic...are the moral guardians of Cartoon Network gone now?

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    • Whoever said Steven gave the diamonds a pass?

      Also when Jasper ran at Steven she never summoned her weapon, I thought that was interesting.

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    • I SCREAMED WHEN I SEE JASPER'S RETUNE!!! And I SCREAMED AGAIN when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Seanshon wrote:
      Yoshimickster wrote: ...were you paying attention? Lapis straight up ADMITTED she forced the fusion, and despite how toxic it was Jasper liked it, she NEEDED Lapis like many abused people have an emotionally attachment to their abusers. Lapis admits what she did was wrong, but what she REALLY needs to do is freakin' say sorry.
      Not attacking here . . . but if youre saying Lapis needs to apologize, my question is why? Her original intent in fusing and maintaining it was to keep Jasper from terrorizing the Earth. In-show, this seems like an overall (with all things considered) positive thing. Subtextually, (the real world abuser-abusee parellel) maybe Lapis owes an apology.
      Intent good or not, forcing Jasper to stay fused with her was wrong. Also, I don't think her protecting anyone was her real intent, especially since Jasper had NO weaponry, NO back-up, and was out-numbered, she could've let the CGs handle her. She wanted someone to punish.


      Aimus Amber wrote: I guess theres no room for jasper as my second favorite character anymore :/

      she used to be a bad person and a good character

      now shes a bad person and a pathetic character

      Maybe...but does that make her a bad character or a dynamic one? I say it gives her a dynamic.

      Yoshimickster

      Now thinking back to Lapis' (as Malachite) last words in JailBreak, I can see and agree with you. But I ask thatt you try to see and agree with me that had Jasper not all but gave an ultimatum to fuse originally, she wouldnt had been put in that situation. Its not jaspers fault for lapis' actions after they fused, but its part her fault that lapis was able to hold her prisoner because of her zealousness to fuse.

      Thats my analysis anyway lol

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    • KinguvX wrote: Wait, what? Am I the only one who feels kinda bad for my poor baby, Jasper?

      I mean, she is a Quartz.. All she has ever known was too be powerful and fight the bad guy, and bejng fused with Lapis made her so much more powerful than she ever was.

      She didn't care about the pain Lapis forced her to be in, she just wanted to feel powerful again and she thought Lapis did too.

      And yet they decide to throw her away, just like in super watermelon island

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      AquaticPanic wrote:


      SteelRunner15 wrote:
      HAH i knew she wouldnt get a shot at redemption!
      Because Peridot totally didn't try to kill the before, right?
      Exactly and not like lapis didn't try anything either, if anything I'd say those two did worse

      She is insane, tries to convince lapis to have another abuseful relationship again, and knocked steven aside like he was nothing again.

      Still no signs of redemption. not even a NYEEH like peridot gave or something along those lines

      OH and she is power hungry.

      at this point we can do nothing but wait until the rubies come back from neptune.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      RoyalDreadlord wrote:
      Was I the only one who bursted into laughter when Jasper got punched back into the sea by Lapis?
      Nope.

      No.

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    • True, but you can tell Jasper is losing it, it's kind of her a character that can garner pity, it's clear she's isn't herself

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:
      Peridot: tried to kill you on multiple occasions and even insulted your mother, that gets a pass

      Lapis: broke your dads leg, forced Jasper in a fusion, and nearly killed everyone by taking away the ocean, pass

      The diamonds: pretty much are responsible for abondoning their soldiers and corrupting multiple loyal gems, pass

      Jasper: head butted you and imprisoned your friends and that's about it, I hate her

      Kevin: wouldn't leave you alone as stevonnie, I hate him

      I'm really confused with the way Steven handles things


      Thank you, Steven is weird. I don't have a problem if he wants to be mad at Jasper, say she is awful, if he showed the proper anger for what he found out the Diamonds did in yesterdays episode, that is when he loses me. Once you give that a pass, everyone gets a pass from now on.

      I guess he only hates people that personnel hurt him, or hurt people in front of him, he never meet these gems before they were corupted, why does he care, but he knows Lapis, he knows Connie, etc.

      I am sorry I am still furious at the Diamonds, and my main character doesn't feel my rage, it gives me a disconnect, I am sure I will get over it, but still.

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    • Sammyrashid15 wrote:
      MiniDaggers wrote:
      RoyalDreadlord wrote:
      Was I the only one who bursted into laughter when Jasper got punched back into the sea by Lapis?
      Nope.
      No.


      No

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    • KinguvX wrote:
      Wait, what? Am I the only one who feels kinda bad for my poor baby, Jasper?

      I mean, she is a Quartz.. All she has ever known was too be powerful and fight the bad guy, and bejng fused with Lapis made her so much more powerful than she ever was.

      She didn't care about the pain Lapis forced her to be in, she just wanted to feel powerful again and she thought Lapis did too.

      I feel terrible for her. Of course she is a fighting machiene! She is a quartz! But I'm sure she has a little good in her...at least, now that she has opwned her mind a bit to the freedom of fusion.

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    • Seems I was right: the Summer of Steven just needed a week or so to regain its full momentum, as shown by both continuity callbacks and a much-needed closure on just where Jasper was this whole time...sort of. Maybe a follow-up next week'll happen, after all, the episode next Monday is called Gem Hunt..

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    • Jasper will return again. Possibley in the episode "Gem Hunt".

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    • Sammyrashid15 wrote:when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X

      ...how do you "kill someone again"?

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    • Giugiubee03 wrote:

      KinguvX wrote:
      Wait, what? Am I the only one who feels kinda bad for my poor baby, Jasper?

      I mean, she is a Quartz.. All she has ever known was too be powerful and fight the bad guy, and bejng fused with Lapis made her so much more powerful than she ever was.

      She didn't care about the pain Lapis forced her to be in, she just wanted to feel powerful again and she thought Lapis did too.

      I feel terrible for her. Of course she is a fighting machiene! She is a quartz! But I'm sure she has a little good in her...at least, now that she has opwned her mind a bit to the freedom of fusion.

      Pretty much, i feel bad for Jasper, because she is clearly losing it, she's desperate, poor jasper

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Sammyrashid15 wrote:when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X
      ...how do you "kill someone again"?


      Simple, you take a dagger, stab a gem, wait for it to regenerate, then stab again

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    • In and out.

      I have this feeling Jasper will be back VERY soon, like with Peridot after her "Friend Ship" escape

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    • OMG I just realized im totally drawn to villains. My favorite characters are villains!:

      Steven Universe: Jasper

      SVTFOE: Toffee

      Gravity Falls: Bill Cy (The triangle guy)

      Wander Over Yander: Lord Dominator



      Or their villains, and dead. Either way its weird.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Sammyrashid15 wrote:when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X
      ...how do you "kill someone again"?

      Wait, what?? What do you mean?? o_o

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    • Sammyrashid15 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Sammyrashid15 wrote:when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X
      ...how do you "kill someone again"?
      Wait, what?? What do you mean?? o_o

      Kill someone again, as in more than once.

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    • SteelRunner15 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Sammyrashid15 wrote:when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X
      ...how do you "kill someone again"?

      Simple, you take a dagger, stab a gem, wait for it to regenerate, then stab again

      Right, yeah! Exactly! (-:

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      Sammyrashid15 wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Sammyrashid15 wrote:when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X
      ...how do you "kill someone again"?
      Wait, what?? What do you mean?? o_o
      Kill someone again, as in more than once.

      Right, okay. nevermind. ;-)

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    • Sammyrashid15 wrote:
      I SCREAMED WHEN I SEE JASPER'S RETUNE!!! And I SCREAMED AGAIN when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X

      (Obseesive fangirl scream) EH MEH GAWD MEH TOO! I WAS LIKE, JASPER BACK! YAAAAY!




      But then Lapis kick her to sea.

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    • Giugiubee03 wrote But then Lapis kick her to sea.

      Punched actually.

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    • If Gem Hunt is about finding Jasper, you think they are going to use Lapis as bait?

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    • Well that got intense. Although I do not quite understand the feeling sorry for Jasper I have seen on here considering she slapped Steven, seemed addicted to becoming Malachite to the point that it was creepy, then she was actually going to KILL Steven if Lapis didn't stop her. I do not get all the sympathy, but  I am sure she will be redeemed however it is probably going to be a bit longer than Peridot or Lapis considering she is crazy, violent and dangerous at the moment. It has been a while since we got a darker episode and I enjoyed it.

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    • Seanshon wrote:

      Yoshimickster

      Now thinking back to Lapis' (as Malachite) last words in JailBreak, I can see and agree with you. But I ask thatt you try to see and agree with me that had Jasper not all but gave an ultimatum to fuse originally, she wouldnt had been put in that situation. Its not jaspers fault for lapis' actions after they fused, but its part her fault that lapis was able to hold her prisoner because of her zealousness to fuse.

      Thats my analysis anyway lol

      Yeah, but keep in mind it wasn't a CRAZY ultimatum given that by what Jasper pointed out, the CGs WERE traitors to Homeworld, breakers of the law in her opinion. Jasper needed help taking them out, and asked the only thing close to an ally for help. Lapis hated being a prisoner, by ANYONE, and she needed someone to punish...and she found her in Jasper. No-one is the good-guy here, but I do hope Lapis and Jasper find happiness on their own some day.

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    • The one thing that makes me sympathize with Jasper is this line: "I've changed, you changed me"

      That heavily indicates lapis is the abuser or Jaspers the abuse or I don't know, the fusion thing clearly took a toll on both of them

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      If Gem Hunt is about finding Jasper, you think they are going to use Lapis as bait?

      I'm just imaging Lapis being used as bait on a fishing rod...

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    • Whoa Jasper was stalking Lapis.

      How did she even know where Lapis was?

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    • I found Bob Spongegar!

      Bob (Spongegar)
      Spongegar
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    • Violet the Violent wrote:
      Whoa Jasper was stalking Lapis.

      How did she even know where Lapis was?

      Lapis caught her on the fishing rod, they both realised they were there and then the rod snapped.

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    • MiniDaggers wrote:
      Zzfunk wrote:
      If Gem Hunt is about finding Jasper, you think they are going to use Lapis as bait?
      I'm just imaging Lapis being used as bait on a fishing rod...

      ■_■ {Bruh..,

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    • AquaticPanic wrote: I found Bob Spongegar!

      Bob (Spongegar)
      Spongegar

      I saw that on tumblr earlier

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    • Violet the Violent wrote:
      Whoa Jasper was stalking Lapis.

      How did she even know where Lapis was?


      Me things our favorite green alien and the new leader of the Crystal Gems might be captured by Jasper in the future and used as a hostage to get Lapis attention. I don't want to think that but yeah.

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    • Violet the Violent wrote:
      Whoa Jasper was stalking Lapis.

      How did she even know where Lapis was?

      Lapis has dropped a mask out of the ship. Jasper found a blue fish that saw the boat but forgot where it was, then they meet a shark that takes them to a Vegetarian Shark Reunion, where they find the mask and escape from the shark, but the bombs that were around exploded. Then they dropped the mask and had to go to the abyss to get it. They had to fight an Anglerfish, but could read the mask and know where Lapis is. Then they asked a bunch of fish where it was, fought against a jellyfish forest and surfed with turtles. Later on, a whale takes them the closer it can get to the boat.


      Voyalá, that's how.

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    • Zzfunk wrote:

      But as I mentioned in the Monster Reunion thread about Steven's anger or lack of anger, Jasper is AWFUL because she head butted your and kept you and your friends prisoner, yes that is bad, but come on the Diamonds intentionally corrupted a whole lot of gems some of them are their own allies who were loyal to them, yet that get a pass, no rage, no anger, what they did was by far the most awful done in the show that we know of. Gee Steven you are weird, and what happened to that compassion you had in "Super Watemelon Island", that development it just gone.

      Steven never said, or even implied, that he was okay with what the Diamonds did. Maybe Steven would show more hostility if he met them, but he hasn't seen them yet. Besides, he needed to help Centipeetle, so he had to keep it level headed.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Violet the Violent wrote:
      Whoa Jasper was stalking Lapis.

      How did she even know where Lapis was?

      Lapis has dropped a mask out of the ship. Jasper found a blue fish that saw the boat but forgot where it was, then they meet a shark that takes them to a Vegetarian Shark Reunion, where they find the mask and escape from the shark, but the bombs that were around exploded. Then they dropped the mask and had to go to the abyss to get it. They had to fight an Anglerfish, but could read the mask and know where Lapis is. Then they asked a bunch of fish where it was, fought against a jellyfish forest and surfed with turtles. Later on, a whale takes them the closer it can get to the boat.


      Voyalá, that's how.


      Finding Lapis....has a nice ring to it.

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    • Giugiubee03 wrote:
      Sammyrashid15 wrote:
      I SCREAMED WHEN I SEE JASPER'S RETUNE!!! And I SCREAMED AGAIN when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X
      (Obseesive fangirl scream) EH MEH GAWD MEH TOO! I WAS LIKE, JASPER BACK! YAAAAY!




      But then Lapis kick her to sea.

      You mean Lapis "punch" her to sea. And yeah, that's the best part she did. ^u^

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    • One Punch Lapis

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:
      Peridot: tried to kill you on multiple occasions and even insulted your mother, that gets a pass

      Lapis: broke your dads leg, forced Jasper in a fusion, and nearly killed everyone by taking away the ocean, pass

      The diamonds: pretty much are responsible for abondoning their soldiers and corrupting multiple loyal gems, pass

      Jasper: head butted you and imprisoned your friends and that's about it, I hate her

      Kevin: wouldn't leave you alone as stevonnie, I hate him

      I'm really confused with the way Steven handles things

      He never gave the Diamonds a pass, but yes on Kevin and Jasper. There's a theme with the vilains he DID befriend, and its that he only befriended them when they were at a time of vulnerability and that's...kind of messed up. Why should Jasper show weakness just for Steven to realize she's not as bad as people say, to realize that SHE was a victim as well?

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    • Super-punch lapis!

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    • Yeah CGs were traitors to the homeworld though they saved all life on Earth. Do people forget that if Homeworld had their way, Earth would have been destroyed? I am sorry if I find a hard time sympathizing with anything still allied to the Homeworld. However I do actually feel sympathy for Jasper on one thing.

      The way Jasper was talking sounded almost like an abusive relationship with the way Lapis treated her during the Malachite fusion, yet Jasper actually wanted more. And Lapis actually missed Jasper as well. It is like someone who is in an abusive relationship, yet they still want to be with that person because of an unhealthy obsession. That is actually really sad and creepy when thinking about it that way. Jasper still slapped Steven and was going to kill him, she is still very violent but she can still be redeemed, however she does have a lot of issues that need to be resolved.

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    • SteelRunner15 wrote:

      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Sammyrashid15 wrote:when SHE was gonna KILL Steven, again!! D-X
      ...how do you "kill someone again"?


      Simple, you take a dagger, stab a gem, wait for it to regenerate, then stab again

      Sharper the gem, also I didn't say on the episode, this was awesome 9-10 for me

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    • Steven Schwarz wrote: Yeah CGs were traitors to the homeworld though they saved all life on Earth. Do people forget that if Homeworld had their way, Earth would have been destroyed? I am sorry if I find a hard time sympathizing with anything still allied to the Homeworld. However I do actually feel sympathy for Jasper on one thing.

      The way Jasper was talking sounded almost like an abusive relationship with the way Lapis treated her during the Malachite fusion, yet Jasper actually wanted more. And Lapis actually missed Jasper as well. It is like someone who is in an abusive relationship, yet they still want to be with that person because of an unhealthy obsession. That is actually really sad and creepy when thinking about it that way. Jasper still slapped Steven and was going to kill him, she is still very violent but she can still be redeemed, however she does have a lot of issues that need to be resolved.

      Exactly, just because she's not crying or crawling on the floor doesn't mean she isn't hurt, she's still a victim, being violent and crazy doesn't automatically make you irredeemable, I'm sure she will get a chance later on

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    • It looks like relationship between Lapis and Jasper was foreshadowed in Camp Pining Hearts. Heroes from that show have diamond symbols on them and the guy kinda looks like Jasper and his spoken phrase is just like what Jasper would say. Through I had no idea who the girl was supposed to represent until this episode aired.

      Anyway, any ideas on who Lapis really was (the identity she hides from Steven) and what are the things she had done in the past?

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    • Steven Schwarz wrote:
      Yeah CGs were traitors to the homeworld though they saved all life on Earth. Do people forget that if Homeworld had their way, Earth would have been destroyed? I am sorry if I find a hard time sympathizing with anything still allied to the Homeworld. However I do actually feel sympathy for Jasper on one thing.

      Their evil by OUR perspective, similar to how we see early "Manifest Destiny" settlers of the past. By their perspective the bulk of them thought what they were doing was right, and fought for what they believed in. 

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    • I wonder what Jasper meant by Lapis being worse than her?  Aside from what Lapis did to torture Jasper during the fusion did she mean that perhaps there is more to what Lapis did during the war?  Perhaps Lapis was not exactly some innocent caught up in the war, and maybe there is more to why she was kept in the mirror for 5000 thousand years.

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    • Diorite wrote:
      I wonder what Jasper meant by Lapis being worse than her?  Aside from what Lapis did to torture Jasper during the fusion did she mean that perhaps there is more to what Lapis did during the war?  Perhaps Lapis was not exactly some innocent caught up in the war, and maybe there is more to why she was kept in the mirror for 5000 thousand years.

      Oh most definitely no, that "I don't want to be in charge" line REALLY spoke to me.

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    • Only now I noticed. "Neptune" is the "king/god" of the seas. Jasper IS on Neptune lol

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    • Zzfunk wrote:

      Well first of all, Greg nice captain hat, someone has been watching Gilligan's Island.

      Also notice that he called Steven "Little Buddy".

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Seanshon wrote:

      Yoshimickster

      Now thinking back to Lapis' (as Malachite) last words in JailBreak, I can see and agree with you. But I ask thatt you try to see and agree with me that had Jasper not all but gave an ultimatum to fuse originally, she wouldnt had been put in that situation. Its not jaspers fault for lapis' actions after they fused, but its part her fault that lapis was able to hold her prisoner because of her zealousness to fuse.

      Thats my analysis anyway lol

      Yeah, but keep in mind it wasn't a CRAZY ultimatum given that by what Jasper pointed out, the CGs WERE traitors to Homeworld, breakers of the law in her opinion. Jasper needed help taking them out, and asked the only thing close to an ally for help. Lapis hated being a prisoner, by ANYONE, and she needed someone to punish...and she found her in Jasper. No-one is the good-guy here, but I do hope Lapis and Jasper find happiness on their own some day.

      Yes, I think that Lapis took out 5000 years of pent up anger on Jasper. That doesn't make Jasper the good guy, but there are worse things than being a Brute.

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    • I just want to post this here.

      Stuff's goin on
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    • You should post this at peridots page 

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    • Personally I feel like Jasper and Lapis were both equally wrong. The show kind of made a point (in regards to the relationship aspect of the conflict) that they both were at fault. Jasper wanted to be strong she wanted the relationship for the wrong reasons. Lapis straight up said she herself did bad things and took her anger out on Jasper. Jasper's later actions did however make her more condemnable (trying to hurt Steven because she couldn't get what she wanted, stalking Lapis) But the show wanted to show that they were both victims and offenders in this relationship.

      I really like that the show shows that not everything is cut and dry and any opinion can be valid. Personally fans trying to say that one person is worse than the other doesn't really seem like the general "moral" of this episode. Some morals to me included being able to recognize when a relationship is unhealthy for both you and the other person and also being able to stand up for yourself and say "no" when you're not interested which I am really proud of Lapis for being able to do. 

      I, like many people, can empathize with this episode and this metaphor on a personal level but not every relationship is exactly the same. Some relationships may have indeed had a clear offender while some on the other hand, which to me is like Jasper and Lapis, aren't necessarily clear and just toxic in general. It is just a cartoon so I'm not directly offended but calling a character pathetic is hurtful considering just how toxic abusive relationships can be to the psyche.

      But I repeat: Jasper was wrong for her more recent actions like following Lapis and trying to hurt Steven when he was just trying to defend Lapis. Jasper's final desperation and persistence IS a little hard to put into one particular box, it could be seen as abusive harassment but also a side effect of an abusive relationship. But again this show allows for any and all opinions to be valid.

      wow this post is longer than I wanted it to be but thanks for anyone who read all of this and was able to find a vague thread of my argument/opinion to follow

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    • haha @myself thats actually so long yikes

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    • MikeOfWind wrote:
      You should post this at peridots page 


      Well she's clearly talking about Lapis and probably about what happened

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    • I feel like too many people are siding with Lapis- I think that Jasper wasn't the abusive one, but it was Lapis.. she did kinda admit she was horrible to Jasper and abused her.  (i'm probably wrong, but i still think lapis shouldn't get to slide so easily)

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    • Yeah, but in the end Jasper wore Lapis down and took control. Either way, I am not ruling out a redemption for Jasper just yet...it would be interesting to see what the Crewniverse does with her next.

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    • SourP wrote: I feel like too many people are siding with Lapis- I think that Jasper wasn't the abusive one, but it was Lapis.. she did kinda admit she was horrible to Jasper and abused her.  (i'm probably wrong, but i still think lapis shouldn't get to slide so easily)

      I'm siding with Jasper on this one, but both are definitely at fault, I just think lapis was the more abusive one

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      I just want to post this here.
      Stuff's goin on

      Sounds to me like Lapis is very upset and Peridot wants to console her.

      Lapis may not want Peridot's sympathy though. I guess we need an episode about what is going on at the barn, unless Peridot tweets about her relationship with Lapis.

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    • SourP wrote:
      I feel like too many people are siding with Lapis- I think that Jasper wasn't the abusive one, but it was Lapis.. she did kinda admit she was horrible to Jasper and abused her.  (i'm probably wrong, but i still think lapis shouldn't get to slide so easily)

      Yes, but she wouldn't have done that had Jasper not held her at...punch-point, I guess, and forced her hand. She figured if she was going to be a forced Fusion by coercion anyway, she might as well do it for someone she actually cares about.

      A futile gesture, sure, but I won't fault her for having the right idea.

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    • Oh, one other thing. A yacht the size of the one in the episode would cost 1 to 2 million dollars, maybe more.

      At this rate Greg will be broke again by the end of the year, if not sooner.

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    • ^^yep

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    • I am just thinking, comparing Jasper in this episode to her introduction, she was this strong in control commander soulder. And now she is so pathic begging Lapis to take her back. I am thinking if Yellow Diamond saw Jasper the way she is now, I don't know what YD would do, maybe kick her off the army, maybe shattered her. From Yellow Diamond's prospective, Peridot is a traiter, but Jasper is an embarassment to the Homeworld army, an embarassment to the Quartzes, and most importantly an embarassment to Yellow Diamond.

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    • I am pretty sure Jasper will get her redemption, People thought Peridot wouldn't get it and she did. Also people forget that Jasper actually forced Lapis to fuse with her in the first place. There is no moral to this episode, more like a metaphor for an abusive relationship which Jasper was actually more of the victim since Lapis took out all of her frustrations out on her. But don't forget that Jasper actually brought Lapis back to Earth in the first place after she first escaped to Homeworld. The episode is not really asking people to take sides, plus Gem hunt is probably next week so that may mean that the CG's hunt Jasper so we may see more of her very soon. 

      In my opinion so far Mr Greg and Alone at sea have been the best episodes so far. Mr greg for the feels, Alone at sea for the dark undertones about abusive relationships.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Oh, one other thing. A yacht the size of the one in the episode would cost 1 to 2 million dollars, maybe more.

      At this rate Greg will be broke again by the end of the year, if not sooner.

      Naaaaah, I think it was just a few thousand, he's...generally good.

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      I am just thinking, comparing Jasper in this episode to her introduction, she was this strong in control commander soulder. And now she is so pathic begging Lapis to take her back. I am thinking Yellow Diamond saw Jasper the way she is now, I don't know what YD would do, maybe kick her off the army, maybe shattered her. From Yellow Diamond's prospective, Peridot is a traiter, but Jasper is an embarassment to the Homeworld army, an embarassment to the Quartzes, and most importantly an embarassment to Yellow Diamond.

      I prefer to think of it as Jasper reaching her limit. Think about it, Garnet whupped her tucchus in the Season 1 finale, beat Malachite to a pulp (which while yes, it was a Fusion of her and Lapis, might as well BE just Jasper holding Lapis hostage by Season 3), and was sent underground only to resurface...likely through one of the underwater cracks at the bottom of the ocean.

      And during this time, she has essentially lost all the cool, composed self she once had. She's not quite at "Nothing left to lose" territory quite yet, but she IS on the border line to that. All she needs is one final push and she'll have finally cracked.

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    • Steven Schwarz wrote:
      I am pretty sure Jasper will get her redemption, People thought Peridot wouldn't get it and she did. Also people forget that Jasper actually forced Lapis to fuse with her in the first place. There is no moral to this episode, more like a metaphor for an abusive relationship which Jasper was actually more of the victim since Lapis took out all of her frustrations out on her. But don't forget that Jasper actually brought Lapis back to Earth in the first place after she first escaped to Homeworld. The episode is not really asking people to take sides, plus Gem hunt is probably next week so that may mean that the CG's hunt Jasper so we may see more of her very soon. 

      I'm pretty sure Jasper asked Lapis to fuse, and she agreed- when she could have just lied, and pulled her into the ocean without needing to fuse.. She could have simply refused, and then use her water powers to punch Jasper or something. (I'm not trying to be Jasper bias, since both of them were equally as bad to eachother.)

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    • SourP wrote:

      Steven Schwarz wrote:
      I am pretty sure Jasper will get her redemption, People thought Peridot wouldn't get it and she did. Also people forget that Jasper actually forced Lapis to fuse with her in the first place. There is no moral to this episode, more like a metaphor for an abusive relationship which Jasper was actually more of the victim since Lapis took out all of her frustrations out on her. But don't forget that Jasper actually brought Lapis back to Earth in the first place after she first escaped to Homeworld. The episode is not really asking people to take sides, plus Gem hunt is probably next week so that may mean that the CG's hunt Jasper so we may see more of her very soon. 

      I'm pretty sure Jasper asked Lapis to fuse, and she agreed- when she could have just lied, and pulled her into the ocean without needing to fuse.. She could have simply refused, and then use her water powers to punch Jasper or something. (I'm not trying to be Jasper bias, since both of them were equally as bad to eachother.)

      Honestly this whole episode felt like a first step to Jasper redemption, since it shows her in somewhat of the sympathetic light, even if only to an extent

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    • Steven Schwarz wrote:
      I am pretty sure Jasper will get her redemption, People thought Peridot wouldn't get it and she did. Also people forget that Jasper actually forced Lapis to fuse with her in the first place.


      No she didn't, she tried to minipulate her into fusing, but it was not a forced fusion, Lapis did it willingly. A forced fusion are the gem mutants, now that is forced fusion.

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    • SourP wrote:
      Steven Schwarz wrote:
      I am pretty sure Jasper will get her redemption, People thought Peridot wouldn't get it and she did. Also people forget that Jasper actually forced Lapis to fuse with her in the first place. There is no moral to this episode, more like a metaphor for an abusive relationship which Jasper was actually more of the victim since Lapis took out all of her frustrations out on her. But don't forget that Jasper actually brought Lapis back to Earth in the first place after she first escaped to Homeworld. The episode is not really asking people to take sides, plus Gem hunt is probably next week so that may mean that the CG's hunt Jasper so we may see more of her very soon. 
      I'm pretty sure Jasper asked Lapis to fuse, and she agreed- when she could have just lied, and pulled her into the ocean without needing to fuse.. She could have simply refused, and then use her water powers to punch Jasper or something. (I'm not trying to be Jasper bias, since both of them were equally as bad to eachother.)

      But throughout the return and jailbreak Jasper always had a hold or kept Lapis close in case Lapis tried to use her water powers. If Lapis said no she may have been broken before she even got a chance to use her powers.

      Anyway Loved the episode, pretty much the darkest episode so far in summer of Steven. I do think Jasper will get her redemption eventually.

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    • Steven Schwarz wrote:
      I am pretty sure Jasper will get her redemption, People thought Peridot wouldn't get it and she did. Also people forget that Jasper actually forced Lapis to fuse with her in the first place. There is no moral to this episode, more like a metaphor for an abusive relationship which Jasper was actually more of the victim since Lapis took out all of her frustrations out on her. But don't forget that Jasper actually brought Lapis back to Earth in the first place after she first escaped to Homeworld. The episode is not really asking people to take sides, plus Gem hunt is probably next week so that may mean that the CG's hunt Jasper so we may see more of her very soon. 

      In my opinion so far Mr Greg and Alone at sea have been the best episodes so far. Mr greg for the feels, Alone at sea for the dark undertones about abusive relationships.


      Look, I'll admit Peridot's redemption caught me off-guard, but she showed some signs of just being naive. In other words: She didn't know any better before Season 2. Jasper has been through the war, she hates Rose Quartz, and as such hates Steven with a burning passion.

      Call me bias against the maned monster, but I don't think she'll be redeeming herself anytime soon.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Oh, one other thing. A yacht the size of the one in the episode would cost 1 to 2 million dollars, maybe more.

      At this rate Greg will be broke again by the end of the year, if not sooner.

      Naaaaah, I think it was just a few thousand, he's...generally good.

      I don't want to be pendantic, but I don't think you understand. Since the yacht was sunk, Greg has to buy it.

      Here's a link to a page of yachts that seem to be similar in size and design to the one in the episode. Prices are in Australian Dollars. The AUD is currently worth 0.75 USD, so that means the yachts on the page cost from a half million US up to 1.5 million US.

      Yacht Prices

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    • Dinoboygreen wrote:

      Call me bias against the maned monster, but I don't think she'll be redeeming herself anytime soon.


      Didn't you watch the episode, she is not the monster, Lapis is.

      All kidding aside, thinking from the bad guy perspective, being what Jasper has become, you think Yellow Diamond would want her back? She could be forced to join us, because Homeworld don't want her no more because she an embarassment.

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    • "We could fly"

      Lapis: Hold on a sec, I'll help you

      Flysper
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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:

      I don't want to be pendantic, but I don't think you understand. Since the yacht was sunk, Greg has to buy it.

      Here's a link to a page of yachts that seem to be similar in size and design to the one in the episode. Prices are in Australian Dollars. The AUD is currently worth 0.75 USD, so that means the yachts on the page cost from a half million US up to 1.5 million US.

      Yacht Prices

      Okay see, those are all examples of NEW boats, the bad boy they rented was clearly some-what used. It would be cheaper. ALSO-was it a yacht? Are party boats yachts?

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      "We could fly"

      Lapis: Hold on a sec, I'll help you

      Flysper

      Jaspers reasons for wanting to be fused in a nutshell: We're stronger, we could fly."

      Lapis: Oh! we don't even need to be fused to do that! *PUNCH*

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      Dinoboygreen wrote:

      Call me bias against the maned monster, but I don't think she'll be redeeming herself anytime soon.


      Didn't you watch the episode, she is not the monster, Lapis is.

      All kidding aside, thinking from the bad perspective, being what Jasper has become, you think Yellow Diamond would want her back? She could be forced to join us, because Homeworld don't want her no more because she an embarassment.


      Or she could just...you know...uh...

      ...*cough*...Erm...


      ...Shatter herself

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      Dinoboygreen wrote:

      Call me bias against the maned monster, but I don't think she'll be redeeming herself anytime soon.


      Didn't you watch the episode, she is not the monster, Lapis is.

      All kidding aside, thinking from the bad perspective, being what Jasper has become, you think Yellow Diamond would want her back? She could be forced to join us, because Homeworld don't want her no more because she an embarassment.


      Maybe so, but this is why I say she's close to having nothing left to lose: Unlike Peridot; whom spoke in Earth's defense, so she technically volunteered to be a Crystal gem already without likely intending to; or Lapis; whom just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and through Steven realized that she hates Homeworld hella more than she does Earth (not to mention has actual EMPATHY for her actions), Jasper has far fewer compunctions when it comes to the safety of others.

      She'd sooner die than be a Crystal Gem, let alone defend Earth, even IF she somehow becomes persuaded by both Lapis and Peridot! She'll likely want to be alone, beating up anyone she comes across; as she's little more than the Homeworld equivalent of a bully/jock.

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    • SteelRunner15 wrote:

      ...Shatter herself

      Actually I don't think that is physical possiable.

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      SteelRunner15 wrote:

      ...Shatter herself

      Actually I don't think that is physical possiable.


      Normally probably not,but with that kind of strength? all it would take would probably be a few punches.

      Anyways it was just a thought...

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    • One thing that I thought was particularily interesting in the episode is that Jasper still seems to have no idea what Steven is, i.e. that Steven is half human and is not actually Rose Quartz. I would have thought she would have picked that up from Lapis while they were fused. Or maybe Lapis doesn't really understand it either?

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    • I don't know if this proves anything but ignore the ship, look what Jaspers voice actor says:http://graspertrash.tumblr.com/post/148127646200/grasper-not-being-hated-by-jaspers-va-is-great

      She has a softer side

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      One thing that I thought was particularily interesting in the episode is that Jasper still seems to have no idea what Steven is, i.e. that Steven is half human and is not actually Rose Quartz. I would have thought she would have picked that up from Lapis while they were fused. Or maybe Lapis doesn't really understand it either?


      I don't think most really understand it, not even Steven (at least, not completely).

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    • Dinoboygreen wrote:
      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      One thing that I thought was particularily interesting in the episode is that Jasper still seems to have no idea what Steven is, i.e. that Steven is half human and is not actually Rose Quartz. I would have thought she would have picked that up from Lapis while they were fused. Or maybe Lapis doesn't really understand it either?

      I don't think most really understand it, not even Steven (at least, not completely).

      You maybe sure about that? |-:>

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Ronaldo Smith wrote:

      I don't want to be pendantic, but I don't think you understand. Since the yacht was sunk, Greg has to buy it.

      Here's a link to a page of yachts that seem to be similar in size and design to the one in the episode. Prices are in Australian Dollars. The AUD is currently worth 0.75 USD, so that means the yachts on the page cost from a half million US up to 1.5 million US.

      Yacht Prices

      Okay see, those are all examples of NEW boats, the bad boy they rented was clearly some-what used. It would be cheaper. ALSO-was it a yacht? Are party boats yachts?

      Maybe he had some boat insurance with the rental in case something like this happened.

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    • Well something tells me that Jasper will return and she won't stop until she re-fuses with Lapis.

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    • Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      Well something tells me that Jasper will return and she won't stop until she re-fuses with Lapis.

      One of the future episodes coming out is called Jasper's Redemption. At least, that's what I heard. Not sure if the episode listing goes that far.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:

      Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      Well something tells me that Jasper will return and she won't stop until she re-fuses with Lapis.

      One of the future episodes coming out is called Jasper's Redemption.

      Is that true or are you pulling the leg?

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    • Well that was interesting, though it felt a little too short.

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    • Diorite wrote:
      Yoshimickster wrote:
      Maybe he had some boat insurance with the rental in case something like this happened.

      I don't think they cover "Act of Gem".

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    • I liked this episode. Seeing Lapis and Jasper interact and how they both wanted to fuse for the wrong reasons. Lapis wanting to so she could feel the way she did while they fused, and Jasper so she could have Lapis' power. Lapis probably would've fused with Jasper if Steven wasn't there, and I wonder just what we don't know about Lapis considering Jasper's dialog.

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote:

      Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      Well something tells me that Jasper will return and she won't stop until she re-fuses with Lapis.
      One of the future episodes coming out is called Jasper's Redemption.
      Is that true or are you pulling the leg?

      It was a rumor. Sorry, I didn't add that part.

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote:

      Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      Well something tells me that Jasper will return and she won't stop until she re-fuses with Lapis.
      One of the future episodes coming out is called Jasper's Redemption.
      Is that true or are you pulling the leg?

      Why would they call an episode "Jasper's Redemption"? Also, I think ACWeapons would've provide a source if it was true.

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    • The pacing is atrocious, Jasper's return and the final is rushed as hell, at least half of the episode is boring and could have been used for something better. Worst episode of Season 3 so far, it's just mediocre. I was so excited for this episode, it couldn't be more disappointing.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      Well something tells me that Jasper will return and she won't stop until she re-fuses with Lapis.
      One of the future episodes coming out is called Jasper's Redemption. At least, that's what I heard. Not sure if the episode listing goes that far.


      It is not an episode, but a marathon title, and it is Jasper's Corruption. I think we are starting to see what they meant by that.

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    • Poor Jasper, How did she went from a threatening villain to a joke character? She got knocked out by Lapis!

      Just one more episode and we will be in The MOST INTENSE WEEKS OF SUMMER OF STEVEN!!!!!

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    • Vin13ish wrote:
      Poor Jasper, How did she went from a threatening villain to a joke character? She got knocked out by Lapis!

      Just one more episode and we will be in The MOST INTENSE WEEKS OF SUMMER OF STEVEN!!!!!


      Indeed.

      Week 1 was mostly slice-of-life; nothing too serious, but enough to keep us invested.

      Week 2 kept the trend going for a bit...and then Monster Reunion showed up, starting this more serious trend. And now here....Say for Friday, things are gonna come to an end by next week!

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    • Mandeod wrote:
      The pacing is atrocious, Jasper's return and the final is rushed as hell, at least half of the episode is boring and could have been used for something better. Worst episode of Season 3 so far, it's just mediocre. I was so excited for this episode, it couldn't be more disappointing.


      Hard to make anything complicated within a 10 minute restriction.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Klauf wrote:
      Jasper is so toxic! She tried to make Lapis feels guilty and succeed.

      It looks like their relation is abuser-abused - it's frequent situation when abuser tries to make abused person like abuser.

      ...were you paying attention? Lapis straight up ADMITTED she forced the fusion, and despite how toxic it was Jasper liked it, she NEEDED Lapis like many abused people have an emotionally attachment to their abusers. Lapis admits what she did was wrong, but what she REALLY needs to do is freakin' say sorry.

      Lapis owes no apology in my opinion. Jasper threatened her, had a huge hold on her and fused. She fused to protect the earth and Steven. But it was only after they fused that she forced her to stay. But she was locked in a cell before that by who? Jasper. Jasper didn't apologize for keeping her in a cell on the ship. Jasper is violent and toxic. She is addicted to Lapis. I'm not saying Lapis is a saint, because dear stars we know shes not. But she IS NOT the one in the wrong in that sense. And honestly, an apology to Jasper at this point of time is pointless. She needs to recover, not be so angry and against the CG's. It wouldn't matter a lick. Just like how Peri being so cute towards Lapis didn't work that great at first because she wanted to be a stubborn grudge. 

      Long story short: We need to wrap Jasper in a towel from the dryer, teach her like we did Peridot, and then Lapis can apologize. 

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    • Mediawatcher wrote: I don't know if this proves anything but ignore the ship, look what Jaspers voice actor says:http://graspertrash.tumblr.com/post/148127646200/grasper-not-being-hated-by-jaspers-va-is-great

      She has a softer side

      Was that supposed to be a hint for this episode or a futute episode,

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    • James Duke wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote: I don't know if this proves anything but ignore the ship, look what Jaspers voice actor says:http://graspertrash.tumblr.com/post/148127646200/grasper-not-being-hated-by-jaspers-va-is-great

      She has a softer side

      Was that supposed to be a hint for this episode or a futute episode,

      Supposedly, but this does confirm she has a softer side

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    • Sammyrashid15 wrote:
      Dinoboygreen wrote:
      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      One thing that I thought was particularily interesting in the episode is that Jasper still seems to have no idea what Steven is, i.e. that Steven is half human and is not actually Rose Quartz. I would have thought she would have picked that up from Lapis while they were fused. Or maybe Lapis doesn't really understand it either?

      I don't think most really understand it, not even Steven (at least, not completely).
      You maybe sure about that? |-:>


      Lemme put it this way, grasshopper: How many hybrids do you know that can pull stunts like Steven? While true, emotions are tied to his powers, they've made it clear that Steven has powers even ROSE never possesed! Until I hear otherwise, I stand by the idea that no one's completely sure just what Steven is.

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    • "It looks like Lapis and Jasper are divorced and Steven is Lapis' new boyfriend" ~Random YT comment

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      "It looks like Lapis and Jasper are divorced and Steven is Lapis' new boyfriend" ~Random YT comment

      Better reason for a ship than Ronaldo and Kiki sitting next to each other-HEYOOOOOOOOOO-I really hope he gets Jane back, his blog is getting depressing. Like, LEGIT depressing.

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    • Honestly, Jasper's options are rather limited at this point. She won't be welcomed back to Homeworld for a failed mission and she's been beaten at every turn. She's going to crack. I honestly wonder if the CGs would be willing to take her in, or just bubble her.

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    • I wonder if Jasper was being honest or just trying to manipulate Lapis into fusing with her. When she said that she'd changed and that it would different this time if they fused, seemed like she was just trying to con Lapis into it since Jasper craves her power.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      Honestly, Jasper's options are rather limited at this point. She won't be welcomed back to Homeworld for a failed mission and she's been beaten at every turn. She's going to crack. I honestly wonder if the CGs would be willing to take her in, or just bubble her.

      Steven might give her a chance. Jasper might need help, and you know Steven will help anyone in need of it.

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    • BigFanofEntertainment wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote:
      Honestly, Jasper's options are rather limited at this point. She won't be welcomed back to Homeworld for a failed mission and she's been beaten at every turn. She's going to crack. I honestly wonder if the CGs would be willing to take her in, or just bubble her.

      Steven might give her a chance. Jasper might need help, and you know Steven will help anyone in need of it.

      She seems like she's on the verge to madness, and I know Steven wil want to help her before that happens, let's hope he eventually accepts her before its too late.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      Honestly, Jasper's options are rather limited at this point. She won't be welcomed back to Homeworld for a failed mission and she's been beaten at every turn. She's going to crack. I honestly wonder if the CGs would be willing to take her in, or just bubble her.


      Hard to say at this point. But one thing's for sure: She's not going down without a fight.

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    • Jasper hardly put up what can be called a fight when Lapis uppercutted her over a few nautical miles away.

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    • ACWeapons wrote: Jasper hardly put up what can be called a fight when Lapis uppercutted her over a few nautical miles away.

      She didn't really have a shot there tho. Lapis hit her by surprise and it's not like Jasoer had any way to stop herself from flying away like Team Rocket.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:
      Jasper hardly put up what can be called a fight when Lapis uppercutted her over a few nautical miles away.


      Methinks you missed the point entirely. By "fight" , I meant when the chips finally come down and this supposed moon weapon returns for Round 2!

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    • Lourdy4675 wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote: Jasper hardly put up what can be called a fight when Lapis uppercutted her over a few nautical miles away.

      She didn't really have a shot there tho. Lapis hit her by surprise and it's not like Jasoer had any way to stop herself from flying away like Team Rocket.

      Yeah, Jasper doesn't have future vision.

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    • What's with all the sympathy for jasper? sure they made her pitiable in a creepy sort of way, but degrading a character does not make them redeemable. Azula case in point. Anyway, regardless of who was at fault initally, jasper just wanted power. He sees lapis as a tool for him exploit, that's why he wanted to fuse in the first place. Lapis was sick of being used by everyone and took it out on jasper, but that doesn't make her the abusive one- in the end jasper got to her, corrupted her, made her think she's evil.. like how she calls her a monster and says "you're just like me". That's manipulative narcissist 101 right there. And I'm sick of the comparisons to peridot. Peridot was always quirky and she was never really scary. I had liked her since she she picked up the crying breakfast friends sticker. On the other hand Jasper has an evil grin and an evil voice. (yes the voice matters) Try redeeming THAT. Jasper's Evil Grin

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    • Nebulon wrote: What's with all the sympathy for jasper? sure they made her pitiable in a creepy sort of way, but degrading a character does not make them redeemable. Azula case in point. Anyway, regardless of who was at fault initally, jasper just wanted power. He sees lapis as a tool for him exploit, that's why he wanted to fuse in the first place. Lapis was sick of being used by everyone and took it out on jasper, but that doesn't make her the abusive one- in the end jasper got to her, corrupted her, made her think she's evil.. like how she calls her a monster and says "you're just like me". That's manipulative narcissist 101 right there. And I'm sick of the comparisons to peridot. Peridot was always quirky and she was never really scary. I had liked her since she she picked up the crying breakfast friends sticker. On the other hand Jasper has an evil grin and an evil voice. (yes the voice matters) Try redeeming THAT. Jasper's Evil Grin

      Even if she does change, that voice isn't going anywhere, and it's been stated by her voice actor herself that she has a softer side, so we'll see

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    • I love how Garnet had to sing a three minutes epic battle song to beat Jasper, and Lapis just...
      Flysper

      Lapis should really join the Crystal Gems now, at least to learn how to fight without breaking Greg's stuff...

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    • I remember someone saying that this should come out before "Monster Reunion", but no, this is exactly how it should be done.

      Until now, the only known type of literal "corruption" is mental/psychological damage caused by the mysterious flashlight used by the Diamonds. When it hits a Gem, her mind and physical projection are affected, and even if she gets technically "healed", any traumatic memories will force a reversion. What does that mean? That, as Garnet have said, corruption affects the mind more than the body.

      The mentality of the Crystal Gems regarding fusion/permafusion and other things might have been considered as an "aberration" in the eyes of Homeworld, so, basically, their minds were already "corrupted" in some way. The Diamond Authority chose to punish the Crystal Gems with an irony: So, you are all corrupted and defective, right? We hope you enjoy getting corrupted for REAL!!!

      What does it have to do with Jasper?

      Well, she changed her views on Fusion, and wanted to become a Permafusion with a different Gem!!! In other words, Jasper is in the proccess of becoming corrupted in the eyes of Homeworld. Her mind is now filled with "politically incorrect" thoughts and heresy.

      But we should remember what brought her a new view on fusion at the first moment - YES, being owned by Garnet, the Permafusion, which implies that she believes on strength more than anything else. If someone is strong enough to defeat her, she will probably change her mind on that person.

      Jasper consider Steven a "dumbed down version of Rose Quartz", but is he really? What if, along with Connie (as a theory says), Steven "beats her to the ground"? What will she think of him? After that infamous headbutt and the way she pushed him like if he was nothing, Jasper must learn how to show respect to the Cinnamon Roll, and it will be on the hard way, exactly how she likes it.

      "Jasper's Corruption" might be an allegoric method to describe a drastic change on Jasper's mentality and convictions.

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      Nebulon wrote: What's with all the sympathy for jasper? sure they made her pitiable in a creepy sort of way, but degrading a character does not make them redeemable. Azula case in point. Anyway, regardless of who was at fault initally, jasper just wanted power. He sees lapis as a tool for him exploit, that's why he wanted to fuse in the first place. Lapis was sick of being used by everyone and took it out on jasper, but that doesn't make her the abusive one- in the end jasper got to her, corrupted her, made her think she's evil.. like how she calls her a monster and says "you're just like me". That's manipulative narcissist 101 right there. And I'm sick of the comparisons to peridot. Peridot was always quirky and she was never really scary. I had liked her since she she picked up the crying breakfast friends sticker. On the other hand Jasper has an evil grin and an evil voice. (yes the voice matters) Try redeeming THAT. Jasper's Evil Grin

      Even if she does change, that voice isn't going anywhere, and it's been stated by her voice actor herself that she has a softer side, so we'll see


      Well, if she DOES, Jasper does a great job hiding it! Not only that, but objectively, it makes no sense for her to suddenly turn good; she hates Rose Quartz for as of yet mostly unknown reasons (say for Homeworld propaganda, I suppose) with an obviously burning passion. She hates the Crystal Gems almost as much as the Diamonds hate Earth, and as such would likely want nothing more than to destroy this planet and all other potential life forms that aren't Homeworld Gems across the cosmos!

      And maybe I just have bias against this obvious antagonist, but if Steven Universe has taught me ANYTHING, it's that that kind of hatred doesn't go away easily! Especially one that's stewed for roughly 5000 years!

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    • Maybe I'm missing something, but I never saw Jasper hating Rose or the Crystal Gems, to me she just seems to love fighting and being strong (and flying), kind of like Spike in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. If she can't fight for Homeworld anymore, maybe she will be glad to join the rebellion for a chance to punch the Diamonds, or the Purple Puma on the ring...

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    • Well it's never been stated, not even by herself that she hates earth or the crystal gems, also remember peridot herself hated the earth and the gems as well.

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:
      Well it's never been stated, not even by herself that she hates earth or the crystal gems, also remember peridot herself hated the earth and the gems as well.


      Are you and Sarasvato serious?! It's pretty clear that she hates Rose Quartz; as she not only remembers her from the infamous Gem Rebellion, but also wants her turned in to Yellow Diamond for supposed war-crimes. Though frankly, it's not really a crime to defend Earth from warmongers, but whatever.

      Point is, she clearly has it in for Rose Quartz, and therefore, Steven as well. She is in no hurry to join forces with the supposed enemy. It's not like with Peridot, whom was not only made after the war, but also simply didn't know any better til Steven came along; or Lapis, whom realized that the Homeworld is a monster after being treated like one when she returned.

      Jasper has essentially become Captain Ahab in Gem form, hunting Lapis and being driven mad by a desire to hate anything that isn't Yellow Diamond.

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    • From The Return:

      Peridot: That's them, all right. They're the ones who keep breaking my machines.

      Jasper: This is it?

      Peridot: Jasper! They keep interfering with my work!

      Jasper: *sighs and steps forward* Looks like another waste of my time...

      (...)

      Jasper: And neither of you saw Rose Quartz? Oh, what a shame. I'd hoped to meet her. I was looking forward to beating her into the ground!

      Steven: Euegh...

      Jasper: But this is all that's left of her army? Some lost, defective Pearl, a puny overcooked runt, and this shameless display? *glances at Steven* What is that?

      Peridot: It calls itself the Steven.

      Lapis Lazuli: He's just a human! He isn't a threat at all! He's not one of them!

      Jasper: I know what a human is. You don't need me for this. Just blast them with the ship.

      Peridot: Ugh, fine.

      (...)

      Steven: I- I'm a Crystal Gem too!

      (He jumps in front of them. Rose's shield forms, stopping the blast. Jasper turns around in shock.)

      Jasper: That shield! That symbol!

      (The shield falls, and Steven collapses.)

      Jasper: You! You have the power of Rose Quartz!

      Peridot: Now do you believe I needed an escort?

      Jasper: Fire a barrage! Widespread!

      (...)

      Jasper: Rose, why do you look like that? Why are you so weak?

      Lapis Lazuli: Don't hurt him!

      Jasper: You knew about this!

      Lapis Lazuli: It wasn't relevant to the mission!

      Jasper: Forget about the mission!

      Peridot: What!?

      Jasper: Yellow Diamond needs to see this... thing.

      (...)

      'Jasper:' I was there, you know. At the first war for this garbage planet. I fought against your armies. I respected your tactics. But this... ? This is sick!

      So at first she didn't care at all about the Crystal Gems, she didn't see them as worthy opponents. She came to fight Rose Quartz because she respected her as a warrior. She didn't planned to turn Rose to Yellow Diamond, she only want Steven, "this... thing". I guess because gems hybrids are a top priority to Yellow Diamond, maybe as a key to overcome the ressource shortage?

      Anyway, I don't see any hate in her behavior. She is indubitably violent, "a brute" in her own words, and now obsessive toward Lapis Lazuli and fusion, but never hateful.

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    • Dinoboygreen wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:
      Well it's never been stated, not even by herself that she hates earth or the crystal gems, also remember peridot herself hated the earth and the gems as well.


      Are you and Sarasvato serious?! It's pretty clear that she hates Rose Quartz; as she not only remembers her from the infamous Gem Rebellion, but also wants her turned in to Yellow Diamond for supposed war-crimes. Though frankly, it's not really a crime to defend Earth from warmongers, but whatever.

      Point is, she clearly has it in for Rose Quartz, and therefore, Steven as well. She is in no hurry to join forces with the supposed enemy. It's not like with Peridot, whom was not only made after the war, but also simply didn't know any better til Steven came along; or Lapis, whom realized that the Homeworld is a monster after being treated like one when she returned.

      Jasper has essentially become Captain Ahab in Gem form, hunting Lapis and being driven mad by a desire to hate anything that isn't Yellow Diamond.

      The difference is that now, Jasper doesn't seem to care about what Yellow Diamond says or does. She's all by herself, and the only thing she thinks about is her fusion with Lapis. No more mission, no more Diamond Authority, nothing... All she wants is to form Malachite again and stay like that forever. Anyways, do you think the Diamonds would ever accept that aberration? I doubt it.

      Jasper doesn't really "hate" Rose Quartz in a Kevin-esque level, she just sees her as an enemy, even respecting her in some kind of way (probably because she was powerful).

      Whom she finds despicable is Steven, mainly because she sees him as weak, and the one who ruined her relationship with Lapis. But she will learn to respect him, ooooh she will...

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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      From The Return:

      Peridot: That's them, all right. They're the ones who keep breaking my machines.

      Jasper: This is it?

      Peridot: Jasper! They keep interfering with my work!

      Jasper: *sighs and steps forward* Looks like another waste of my time...

      (...)

      Jasper: And neither of you saw Rose Quartz? Oh, what a shame. I'd hoped to meet her. I was looking forward to beating her into the ground!

      Steven: Euegh...

      Jasper: But this is all that's left of her army? Some lost, defective Pearl, a puny overcooked runt, and this shameless display? *glances at Steven* What is that?

      Peridot: It calls itself the Steven.

      Lapis Lazuli: He's just a human! He isn't a threat at all! He's not one of them!

      Jasper: I know what a human is. You don't need me for this. Just blast them with the ship.

      Peridot: Ugh, fine.

      (...)

      Steven: I- I'm a Crystal Gem too!

      (He jumps in front of them. Rose's shield forms, stopping the blast. Jasper turns around in shock.)

      Jasper: That shield! That symbol!

      (The shield falls, and Steven collapses.)

      Jasper: You! You have the power of Rose Quartz!

      Peridot: Now do you believe I needed an escort?

      Jasper: Fire a barrage! Widespread!

      (...)

      Jasper: Rose, why do you look like that? Why are you so weak?

      Lapis Lazuli: Don't hurt him!

      Jasper: You knew about this!

      Lapis Lazuli: It wasn't relevant to the mission!

      Jasper: Forget about the mission!

      Peridot: What!?

      Jasper: Yellow Diamond needs to see this... thing.

      (...)

      'Jasper:' I was there, you know. At the first war for this garbage planet. I fought against your armies. I respected your tactics. But this... ? This is sick!

      So at first she didn't care at all about the Crystal Gems, she didn't see them as worthy opponents. She came to fight Rose Quartz because she respected her as a warrior. She didn't planned to turn Rose to Yellow Diamond, she only want Steven, "this... thing". I guess because gems hybrids are a top priority to Yellow Diamond, maybe as a key to overcome the ressource shortage?

      Anyway, I don't see any hate in her behavior. She is indubitably violent, "a brute" in her own words, and now obsessive toward Lapis Lazuli and fusion, but never hateful.


      By your own admission she wanted to "beat her into the ground" and mistook Steven for his mother. If that's not hate, I don't what is! It's painfully obvious that she wants Rose Quartz dead; it's just that now, it's for different reasons than before.

      Also, I sincerely doubt she gives in any sense what happens to Homeworld so long as she can bust a few skulls. She likely wanted to take Steven home as some big trophy to Yellow Diamond.

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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      From The Return:

      Peridot: That's them, all right. They're the ones who keep breaking my machines.

      Jasper: This is it?

      Peridot: Jasper! They keep interfering with my work!

      Jasper: *sighs and steps forward* Looks like another waste of my time...

      (...)

      Jasper: And neither of you saw Rose Quartz? Oh, what a shame. I'd hoped to meet her. I was looking forward to beating her into the ground!

      Steven: Euegh...

      Jasper: But this is all that's left of her army? Some lost, defective Pearl, a puny overcooked runt, and this shameless display? *glances at Steven* What is that?

      Peridot: It calls itself the Steven.

      Lapis Lazuli: He's just a human! He isn't a threat at all! He's not one of them!

      Jasper: I know what a human is. You don't need me for this. Just blast them with the ship.

      Peridot: Ugh, fine.

      (...)

      Steven: I- I'm a Crystal Gem too!

      (He jumps in front of them. Rose's shield forms, stopping the blast. Jasper turns around in shock.)

      Jasper: That shield! That symbol!

      (The shield falls, and Steven collapses.)

      Jasper: You! You have the power of Rose Quartz!

      Peridot: Now do you believe I needed an escort?

      Jasper: Fire a barrage! Widespread!

      (...)

      Jasper: Rose, why do you look like that? Why are you so weak?

      Lapis Lazuli: Don't hurt him!

      Jasper: You knew about this!

      Lapis Lazuli: It wasn't relevant to the mission!

      Jasper: Forget about the mission!

      Peridot: What!?

      Jasper: Yellow Diamond needs to see this... thing.

      (...)

      'Jasper:' I was there, you know. At the first war for this garbage planet. I fought against your armies. I respected your tactics. But this... ? This is sick!

      So at first she didn't care at all about the Crystal Gems, she didn't see them as worthy opponents. She came to fight Rose Quartz because she respected her as a warrior. She didn't planned to turn Rose to Yellow Diamond, she only want Steven, "this... thing". I guess because gems hybrids are a top priority to Yellow Diamond, maybe as a key to overcome the ressource shortage?

      Anyway, I don't see any hate in her behavior. She is indubitably violent, "a brute" in her own words, and now obsessive toward Lapis Lazuli and fusion, but never hateful.

      You just fueled the theory that Homeworld might want to try and make gem hybrids even more

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    • Well at this point she has two choices, side with Steven and the gems or just get shattered, it's clear she's too much in the desperate state to be welcomed back to homeworld.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      You just fueled the theory that Homeworld might want to try and make gem hybrids even more

      You're welcome :)

      But, yes, rereading the transcript, it's clear to me she just wanted to wrestle Rose Quartz, but Steven? That little abomination instantly takes priority over the Cluster, and Yellow Diamond seemed very attached to her geo-weapon in Message received, so that must be important...

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    • Well ironicly for different reasons, Jasper is defective, is something that both our heroes Steven, the Crystal Gems, etc. and Yellow Diamond can agree on.

      It is from different sides of coin, for Yellow Diamond an un defected gem would be someone who doesn't think for themselves, just lives to serves them, has no dreams or desires doesn't have to do with serving their diamond, but for Steven and the Crystal Gems thinking for your self being an individual they think of a a possitive, it is just the stuff Jasper is thinking of and her obcession is what wrong to them.

      So congratulation Jasper, you made the two sides agree on something.

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    • I gotta applaud SU for having the balls to portray a complex, abusive relationship in a kids' show. Even adult programmes hardly touch on this stuff.

      Those posts above arguing who, Jasper or Lapis, is the real victim: it's really not that simple. Their relationship was a mutually abusive one. Both have played the role of abuser and victim at one point or another. Jasper forced Lapis to go back to Earth and was mistreating her. Lapis retailiated by keeping Jasper trapped in a fusion against her will for months. As Malachite, they were constantly fighting each other for control. They both share the blame and the pity, but we're more inclined to sympathise with Lapis because a) she did it in part to protect Steven, and b) she's not a sadistic bastard. Unlike Jasper, Lapis genuinely feels guilty for all the terrible things she did in the past, including Malachite. I'm very proud of her for having enough sense to see how toxic their relationship was and for standing up to Jasper, despite her own Stockholm Syndrome. I really hope she gets better soon. 

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    • Zzfunk wrote: Well ironicly for different reasons, Jasper is defective, is something that both our heroes Steven, the Crystal Gems, etc. and Yellow Diamond can agree on.

      It is from different sides of coin, for Yellow Diamond an un defected gem would be someone who doesn't think for themselves, just lives to serves them, has no dreams or desires doesn't have to do with serving their diamond, but for Steven and the Crystal Gems thinking for your self being an individual they think of a a possitive, it is just the stuff Jasper is thinking of and her obcession is what wrong to them.

      So congratulation Jasper, you made the two sides agree on something.

      Jasper is in just as much trouble as peridot at this point

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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      You just fueled the theory that Homeworld might want to try and make gem hybrids even more

      You're welcome :)

      But, yes, rereading the transcript, it's clear to me she just wanted to wrestle Rose Quartz, but Steven? That little abomination instantly takes priority over the Cluster, and Yellow Diamond seemed very attached to her geo-weapon in Message received, so that must be important...

      And Peridot was familiar with the term hybrid...granted that might be what forced fusions are sometimes called and fusions between two different gems are probably called hybrids but let's look at the fors and againts for this one

      Against:

      1. Homeworld has no interest in organic life

      2. They might be more interested in making forced fusions

      Fors:

      1. They could brainwash an organic being with a gem by putting the being's memories and personality into a gemstone then attaching the gemstone to the host then they could claim that they rewarded this being with powers as a sign of peace when in truth they're gonna use their new super soldier to kill the opposition then after that's over they could keep this super soldier in stasis until they can confirm if Rose died and if she didn't they could use the super soldiers to fight her.

      2. Like I said, Peridot seems to be fammiliar with the term hybrid, if that's what Homeworld calls different gem type fusion/forced fusions remains to be seen

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    • Crikey3412 wrote:

      I gotta applaud SU for having the balls to portray a complex, abusive relationship in a kids' show. Even adult programmes hardly touch on this stuff.

      Those posts above arguing who, Jasper or Lapis, is the real victim: it's really not that simple. Their relationship was a mutually abusive one. Both have played the role of abuser and victim at one point or another. Jasper forced Lapis to go back to Earth and was mistreating her. Lapis retailiated by keeping Jasper trapped in a fusion against her will for months. As Malachite, they were constantly fighting each other for control. They both share the blame and the pity, but we're more inclined to sympathise with Lapis because a) she did it in part to protect Steven, and b) she's not a sadistic bastard. Unlike Jasper, Lapis genuinely feels guilty for all the terrible things she did in the past, including Malachite. I'm very proud of her for having enough sense to see how toxic their relationship was and for standing up to Jasper, despite her own Stockholm Syndrome. I really hope she gets better soon. 

      Glad someone finally said it. Both Lapis and Jasper are at fault, you can't really put one as the victim since they both were at one point. Lapis enjoyed tormenting Jasper and taking her frustration out on her, and Jasper enjoyed the power she got from being fused with Lapis.

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    • To be honest, I thought that Jaspers appearnce in the episode was forced. "Oh my gosh! What a coincidence that Jasper appered while Steven and Lapis were having a day out in the ocean!" It just didn't really make sense to me. It was also kind of weird to have her appear so randomly. I think it would have been better if they had Jasper appear at the barn randomly instead of on a ship in the middle of the ocean. 

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    • I think people are over thinking the Lapis is the real monster line, Jasper is obviously talking about what happened in Malachite. There was no hints that she knew Lapis before, so this strictly talking about in show, so Lapis having a dark past before the series, I think you are all just reaching.

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    • Don't worry guys, Jasper can still be redeemed, remember how it was with Peridot? One step forward two steps back? Jasper's gonna do that but for longer

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Don't worry guys, Jasper can still be redeemed, remember how it was with Peridot? One step forward two steps back? Jasper's gonna do that but for longer

      Agreed, its gonna take a lot more time and be a lot harder to redeem Jasper than lapis or peridot, but it can happen

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Don't worry guys, Jasper can still be redeemed, remember how it was with Peridot? One step forward two steps back? Jasper's gonna do that but for longer

      Agreed, its gonna take a lot more time and be a lot harder to redeem Jasper than lapis or peridot, but it can happen

      Especially since they can't put a leash on her

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Don't worry guys, Jasper can still be redeemed, remember how it was with Peridot? One step forward two steps back? Jasper's gonna do that but for longer


      The way I see it, she might not be on our side, but she is not going to be on Homeworld side anymore, a failure, someone who has lost so much pride and respect that they lower themselves to begging a traitor no less for power, Yellow Diamond has no use for a quartz like that. So yes she is going to have to make some tough choices, because I don't think Yellow Diamond would want her anymore.

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    • Wakex1157 wrote:
      To be honest, I thought that Jaspers appearnce in the episode was forced. "Oh my gosh! What a coincidence that Jasper appered while Steven and Lapis were having a day out in the ocean!" It just didn't really make sense to me. It was also kind of weird to have her appear so randomly. I think it would have been better if they had Jasper appear at the barn randomly instead of on a ship in the middle of the ocean. 


      Actually, there is some method to this appearence's madness. After all, while we did see her fall into a crack in the Earth, the earthquakes caused by the Cluster no doubt caused a bit of flooding in more coastal areas on the Mask Island's side of the world (wherever that is). Ergo, she no doubt found her way out through an underwater vent, and has been trailing the ocean for several days if not months. Besides, Jasper's kinda like a rash that won't go away: you can't get rid of something like her THAT easy!

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Don't worry guys, Jasper can still be redeemed, remember how it was with Peridot? One step forward two steps back? Jasper's gonna do that but for longer

      Sigh, if you say so. But until I hear that as a possibility from the staff themselves, I consider her the Earth's biggest threat until the Diamonds decide to show up themselves...whenever that day may be.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Don't worry guys, Jasper can still be redeemed, remember how it was with Peridot? One step forward two steps back? Jasper's gonna do that but for longer

      Agreed, its gonna take a lot more time and be a lot harder to redeem Jasper than lapis or peridot, but it can happen
      Especially since they can't put a leash on her


      How To Train Your Jasper confirmed

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Don't worry guys, Jasper can still be redeemed, remember how it was with Peridot? One step forward two steps back? Jasper's gonna do that but for longer

      The way I see it, she might not be on our side, but she is not going to be on Homeworld side anymore, a failure, someone who has lost so much pride and respect that they lower themselves to begging a traitor no less for power, Yellow Diamond has no use for a quartz like that. So yes she is going to have to make some tough choices, because I don't think Yellow Diamond would want her anymore.

      Yes not to mention how she fused with a non Jasper gem, let alone outside her court. Fusing with another gem type within your court means shattering, but with another gem type within another court? Either a harvesting or being put into a forced fusion 

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    • Dinoboygreen wrote:

      Wakex1157 wrote:
      To be honest, I thought that Jaspers appearnce in the episode was forced. "Oh my gosh! What a coincidence that Jasper appered while Steven and Lapis were having a day out in the ocean!" It just didn't really make sense to me. It was also kind of weird to have her appear so randomly. I think it would have been better if they had Jasper appear at the barn randomly instead of on a ship in the middle of the ocean. 


      Actually, there is some method to this appearence's madness. After all, while we did see her fall into a crack in the Earth, the earthquakes caused by the Cluster no doubt caused a bit of flooding in more coastal areas on the Mask Island's side of the world (wherever that is). Ergo, she no doubt found her way out through an underwater vent, and has been trailing the ocean for several days if not months. Besides, Jasper's kinda like a rash that won't go away: you can't get rid of something like her THAT easy!

      She probably waited around in the ocean since she assumed Lapis would probably end up there eventually and just waited for that to happen.

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    • Lourdy4675 wrote:

      Dinoboygreen wrote:

      Wakex1157 wrote:
      To be honest, I thought that Jaspers appearnce in the episode was forced. "Oh my gosh! What a coincidence that Jasper appered while Steven and Lapis were having a day out in the ocean!" It just didn't really make sense to me. It was also kind of weird to have her appear so randomly. I think it would have been better if they had Jasper appear at the barn randomly instead of on a ship in the middle of the ocean. 

      Actually, there is some method to this appearence's madness. After all, while we did see her fall into a crack in the Earth, the earthquakes caused by the Cluster no doubt caused a bit of flooding in more coastal areas on the Mask Island's side of the world (wherever that is). Ergo, she no doubt found her way out through an underwater vent, and has been trailing the ocean for several days if not months. Besides, Jasper's kinda like a rash that won't go away: you can't get rid of something like her THAT easy!
      She probably waited around in the ocean since she assumed Lapis would probably end up there eventually and just waited for that to happen.

      I could be wrong, but I think with the fishing scene they were implying that Lapis and Jasper have some sort of telepathic/emphatic connection after being fused for so long. Lapis suddenly seemed to realise that it was Jasper tugging on the line (as implied by the bg music), though there was nothing to suggest it was her, and panicked; after the rod snapped she was anxiously searching the sea, but brushed it off when Steven talked to her, during which her expression read to me that she was thinking, 'No, that's not possible...'

      Well, I've got no other evidence aside from Lapis's expressions, so it's pure speculation.

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    • Who is the real victom, Lapis or Jasper, come on, it is obvious it is Greg, all his rentals turned into purchases, at this rate thanks to the gems destruction, he is going to become broke. Poor guy, you have my sympathy.

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    • Zzfunk wrote: Who is the real victom, Lapis or Jasper, come on, it is obvious it is Greg, all his rentals turned into purchases, at this rate thanks to the gems destruction, he is going to become broke. Poor guy, you have my sympathy.

      Ok yeah I think the one thing everyone can agree with is that Greg is definitely the most victimized in this episode, poor guy

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    • Crikey3412 wrote:

      Lourdy4675 wrote:

      Dinoboygreen wrote:

      Wakex1157 wrote:
      To be honest, I thought that Jaspers appearnce in the episode was forced. "Oh my gosh! What a coincidence that Jasper appered while Steven and Lapis were having a day out in the ocean!" It just didn't really make sense to me. It was also kind of weird to have her appear so randomly. I think it would have been better if they had Jasper appear at the barn randomly instead of on a ship in the middle of the ocean. 

      Actually, there is some method to this appearence's madness. After all, while we did see her fall into a crack in the Earth, the earthquakes caused by the Cluster no doubt caused a bit of flooding in more coastal areas on the Mask Island's side of the world (wherever that is). Ergo, she no doubt found her way out through an underwater vent, and has been trailing the ocean for several days if not months. Besides, Jasper's kinda like a rash that won't go away: you can't get rid of something like her THAT easy!
      She probably waited around in the ocean since she assumed Lapis would probably end up there eventually and just waited for that to happen.

      I could be wrong, but I think with the fishing scene they were implying that Lapis and Jasper have some sort of telepathic/emphatic connection after being fused for so long. Lapis suddenly seemed to realise that it was Jasper tugging on the line (as implied by the bg music), though there was nothing to suggest it was her, and panicked; after the rod snapped she was anxiously searching the sea, but brushed it off when Steven talked to her, during which her expression read to me that she was thinking, 'No, that's not possible...'

      Well, I've got no other evidence aside from Lapis's expressions, so it's pure speculation.

      Yeah it does seems that Lapis realised it was Jasper pulling on the line. Even tho we don't see her do it, it makes sense that it was her and Lapis' expression seems to confirm it. Plus that fact that Jasper was able to track down Lapis in the first place suggests there's some type of mental connection due to them being fused and sharing a mental space for so long. Jasper could probably sense where Lapis was which is why she was able to find her.

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    • Honestly I think Jasper and Lapis are both in the wrong, they both abused eachother in seperate ways, they both used each other to feel better about themselves, the only difference is that Lapis realizes that it was wrong and wants nothing to do with Malachite anymore, while Jasper can't wrap her head around that. I thought it was a pretty good episode all in all and for anyone confused by the way Steven acts remember he is a kid who cares very deeply for the people around him. Yes at one point Lapis and Peridot were a threat but he got to know them better and came to an understanding about them though it is still somewhat scewed, in time I think that Jasper will get her day in the lime light but neither today or tomorrow is that day.

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      Zzfunk wrote: Who is the real victom, Lapis or Jasper, come on, it is obvious it is Greg, all his rentals turned into purchases, at this rate thanks to the gems destruction, he is going to become broke. Poor guy, you have my sympathy.

      Ok yeah I think the one thing everyone can agree with is that Greg is definitely the most victimized in this episode, poor guy


      So far, Lapis broke his van, his leg, his boat, she crashed a ship in front of his barn, and I guess the recorder was once Greg's...

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    • It's pretty clear that the relationship of Melochite was bad and toxic because of Lapis AND Jasper. Jasper fused with Lapis only because she is power hungry and wanted to use Lapis enormous power to make herself stronger, and Lapis fused with Jasper to finally have a prisonner herself and to use her rage against someone. Obviously with such reasons to fuse, the result was just traumatic and very toxic for the two gems.

      We see kind of this phenomenon in Beach City Drift where Steven and Connie understood what they needed a good reason to fuse, and not just for beating the crap of Kevin. Fusion is an unique experience for two characters, and Melochite was a fusion going wrong, Jasper and Lapis are still very marked by this experience...

      I think we will have later an episode with Garnet and Jasper, Garnet explaining what fusion really mean to Jasper. She already show Jasper what fusion is and the possibilities of fusion in Jail Break, now she need to guide her in a good path... Lapis already have done a step in this direction by saying "No" to Jasper and by refusing to fuse, even if it was tempting. She understood that a fusion like that was not a good thing ^^

      ... It was a good episode. Nice to see Lapis triying to fit on earth and spending time with Steven, she was adorable on the boat. And the ending was very cool with the dynamic between Lapis and Jasper getting more and more interesting :D

      Also it's clear now that Lapis did some... interresting things in the past. She don't want to be in charge, considered herself to be bad, and was present on Earth... at the time of the war... It pretty clear that she wasn't only on the planet for tourism :3

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    • ZelProd wrote:

      Also it's clear now that Lapis did some... interresting things in the past. She don't want to be in charge, considered herself to be bad, and was present on Earth... at the time of the war... It pretty clear that she wasn't only on the planet for tourism :3

      Yes, why would the Diamonds send a Lapis Lazuli to Earth during the Rebellion?

      To suck the oceans dry and end organic life on Earth. Fortunatly Bismuth stopped her.

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    • Lapis certainly was not the earth only as a tourist, and although homeworld is "evil" I think that if lapis was only accidental gem, trapped in the mirror As we know gems of homeworld held the mirror even during the evacuation from the earth. Which means, that they don't captured her only to extract information about the enemy base if the Diamonds already won

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    • If the Crewniverse really hates Jasper that much, looks like her redemption is out the window.

      Jasper probably doesn't care about YD and is just looking for someone to fuse with. Since Jasper isn't on Neptune, the Rubies will probably report to YD and she will still try to find Jasper.

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    • Peppa Pig wrote:
      If the Crewniverse really hates Jasper that much, looks like her redemption is out the window.

      Jasper probably doesn't care about YD and is just looking for someone to fuse with. Since Jasper isn't on Neptune, the Rubies will probably report to YD and she will still try to find Jasper.

      Give her time, it might be like with how Peridot was when she was on the run, Jasper will appear, laugh like she's insane, run, then repeat until she kidnaps Steven and they fight it out

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Give her time, it might be like with how Peridot was when she was on the run, Jasper will appear, laugh like she's insane, run, then repeat until she kidnaps Steven and they fight it out

      YES-friendship through Deathbattle!

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Give her time, it might be like with how Peridot was when she was on the run, Jasper will appear, laugh like she's insane, run, then repeat until she kidnaps Steven and they fight it out

      YES-friendship through Deathbattle!

      And it'll be funny considering that when Peridot did this they eventually talked it out then when Jasper does it they'll fight

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Give her time, it might be like with how Peridot was when she was on the run, Jasper will appear, laugh like she's insane, run, then repeat until she kidnaps Steven and they fight it out

      Scene: Galaxy Warp

      Jasper: You have to fix this! I have to leave before the Cluster activates.

      Steven: Hmmm, actually I've already tried to fix this and couldn't.

      Jasper sits down and cries.

      Steven opens his mouth in surprise.

      Steven (to self): Deja vu.

      Steven: It's alright Jasper. Peridot and I already stopped the Cluster from forming.

      Jasper: Whaaat? How?

      Steven: I made friends with it. Now it's your turn.

      Jasper: Get away from me you little mind polluting monster!

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      I think people are over thinking the Lapis is the real monster line, Jasper is obviously talking about what happened in Malachite. There was no hints that she knew Lapis before, so this strictly talking about in show, so Lapis having a dark past before the series, I think you are all just reaching.

      Possibly, but the line that did it for me was when Jasper said she looked into her (Lapis) mind while fused.  It could just be that Jasper is referring to Lapis's subconscious which might contain dark thoughts of power.  She is virtually a god on Earth, who would not be tempted by that?  But I think there was more to her than an innocent waif caught up in war; maybe not a Homeworld warlord but not what she presented to Steven either.  Either way I think my suspicions will be proven or disproven by next Thursday's episode.

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    • Now that Jasper has been shown to have gone slightly insane I worry about what will happen when Peridot and Jasper meet up again

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    • Peridot and Jasper would still be friends.....unless Steven show up with peridot and break Jasper's friendship with peridot 

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    • MikeOfWind wrote:
      Peridot and Jasper would still be friends.....unless Steven show up with peridot and break Jasper's friendship with peridot 

      Were they ever really friends though? Jasper gave orders and Peridot disliked her, also Jasper would probably poof her if she ever found out that Peridot's a CG

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    • I think this episode confirms Jasper never had a friend, she is new to this whole relationship stuff, so she is not able to comprent what is a good bond and a bad bond.

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    • Jasper just want a friend.....

      This explain why she want to stay fused with Lapis

      because she like her and want to stay with her FOREVER

      but sadly Lapis reject her which is why Jasper is so insanse

      just because she want a friend

      Jasper want to be like Garnet

      And now Steven hating on jasper EVEN MORE  

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    • BlastMiner30 wrote:
      Jasper just want a friend.....

      This explain why she want to stay fused with Lapis

      because she like her and want to stay with her FOREVER

      but sadly Lapis reject her which is why Jasper is so insanse

      just because she want a friend

      Jasper want to be like Garnet

      And now Steven hating on jasper EVEN MORE  

      Um you were paying attention to the episode right? Jasper doesn't like Lapis, she wants the power high, the adrenaline rush, oh and flight but really who doesn't want to fly or even float just a little. 

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      BlastMiner30 wrote:
      Jasper just want a friend.....

      This explain why she want to stay fused with Lapis

      because she like her and want to stay with her FOREVER

      but sadly Lapis reject her which is why Jasper is so insanse

      just because she want a friend

      Jasper want to be like Garnet

      And now Steven hating on jasper EVEN MORE  

      Um you were paying attention to the episode right? Jasper doesn't like Lapis, she wants the power high, the adrenaline rush, oh and flight but really who doesn't want to fly or even float just a little. 

      Well, at least Lapis gave Jasper flight, temporarily.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      BlastMiner30 wrote:
      Jasper just want a friend.....

      This explain why she want to stay fused with Lapis

      because she like her and want to stay with her FOREVER

      but sadly Lapis reject her which is why Jasper is so insanse

      just because she want a friend

      Jasper want to be like Garnet

      And now Steven hating on jasper EVEN MORE  

      Um you were paying attention to the episode right? Jasper doesn't like Lapis, she wants the power high, the adrenaline rush, oh and flight but really who doesn't want to fly or even float just a little. 
      Well, at least Lapis gave Jasper flight, temporarily.

      But really who couldn't be addicted to flight and water, especially as someone who loves to swim.

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    • Jasper is reminding me of Pearl's crazy desperation for fusion to feel more power with Garnet. Damn Fusion is a drug if you are not mentally stable.

      But Jasper is my favorite character, seeing her beg like that...i kinda liked her.

      I feel she doesn't really fit as CG like Peri and Lapis does...but maybe she could be a future ally who really isn't trying to be a CG. 

      I LOVE JASPER!

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      "It looks like Lapis and Jasper are divorced and Steven is Lapis' new boyfriend" ~Random YT comment
      Better reason for a ship than Ronaldo and Kiki sitting next to each other-HEYOOOOOOOOOO-I really hope he gets Jane back, his blog is getting depressing. Like, LEGIT depressing.

      Yeah, I seen his Blog getting all depressing alright, too. (-:)

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      "It looks like Lapis and Jasper are divorced and Steven is Lapis' new boyfriend" ~Random YT comment

      Ha, I wish that was cannon

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    • I feel like people are sympathising to much for Lapis. Yes both Jasper and Lapis were the abuser at one point, but the way Lapis treated Jasper is a lot worse than what Jasper did to her. Lapis took out all her hate and anger on Jasper and trapped her in a fusion for months. Jasper may have treated Lapis badly while on Homeworld and on the ship, but she didn't tourment her the way Lapis did.

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    • Lourdy4675 wrote: I feel like people are sympathising to much for Lapis. Yes both Jasper and Lapis were the abuser at one point, but the way Lapis treated Jasper is a lot worse than what Jasper did to her. Lapis took out all her hate and anger on Jasper and trapped her in a fusion for months. Jasper may have treated Lapis badly while on Homeworld and on the ship, but she didn't tourment her the way Lapis did.

      And now she's an obsessed and desperate maniac, I hope they delve into that eventually, because Steven needs to realize at this point that Jasper was a victim too.

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    • I think people are sympathising with both of them too much.

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    • Misunderstood Human wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      "It looks like Lapis and Jasper are divorced and Steven is Lapis' new boyfriend" ~Random YT comment
      Ha, I wish that was cannon

      What a soap opera we would end up with.

      Lapis: Bug off Jasper, Steven is my boyfriend now.

      Jasper: That little freak?

      Steven: Now, just a moment.

      Connie: WTH????

      Connie pulls out Rose's sword and battles Jasper over which of them gets to beat up Steven.

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    • You know since Jasper is very fusion obcessed, a fusion druggie, I don't want her near Peridot. Peridot is someone who is  still curious about fusion, has yet to fuse, I think she really wants to, if they shoudl cross paths, Jasper might try to take advantage of that.

      I think ironically Jasper and Peridot they both being loyal Homeworld gems at first, and having the same opinon of fusion and have their opinions of fusion evolve, but the difference Peridot have Garnet properly explain fusion to her, Jasper did not have the luxary, she just learned from experience.

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    • Jasper is gonna come back. Lol! Just like every other stalker does.

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    • Zzfunk wrote: You know since Jasper is very fusion obcessed, a fusion druggie, I don't want her near Peridot. Peridot is someone who is  still curious about fusion, has yet to fuse, I think she really wants to, if they shoudl cross paths, Jasper might try to take advantage of that.

      I think ironically Jasper and Peridot they both being loyal Homeworld gems at first, and having the same opinon of fusion and have their opinions of fusion evolve, but the difference Peridot have Garnet properly explain fusion to her, Jasper did not have the luxary, she just learned from experience.

      Yeah, and Jasper's only experience is that fusion makes you more powerful.

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    • Zzfunk wrote:
      You know since Jasper is very fusion obcessed, a fusion druggie, I don't want her near Peridot. Peridot is someone who is  still curious about fusion, has yet to fuse, I think she really wants to, if they shoudl cross paths, Jasper might try to take advantage of that.

      I think ironically Jasper and Peridot they both being loyal Homeworld gems at first, and having the same opinon of fusion and have their opinions of fusion evolve, but the difference Peridot have Garnet properly explain fusion to her, Jasper did not have the luxary, she just learned from experience.

      The last thing I want for Peridot is for her to get hurt, but this can be REALLY interesting, lol. Jasper theoretically can track Lapis down to the barn--if she hasn't given up on reforming Malachite, that is--and finds Peri there. Although, that'd give Steven, Lapis, and us viewers yet another reason to hate her...

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    • Once again, I believe the true victim here was greg, at least it's not ambiguous on his part.

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    • Steven was wearing different kind of pants. o-:)
      Steven Light blue shorts

      Steven, are those new pants? o-:)

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    • This episode was incredibly deep, the rape allegories seen previously in the series are nothing compared to exploring an abusive and CODEPENDENT relationships. I think people are still letting Jasper unpopularity in the fandom influence how they see it though, they are EACH bad for the other, Lapis is as bad for Jasper and Jasper is for Lapis.


      Jasper is not the only abuser and may not even be the primary one, Lapis entered the fusion on false pretenses (it had nothing to do with protecting Steven), Lapis immediately imprisoned Jasper, Lapis admits she took out her anger on Jasper.  What is Jasper's crime, it seems to be lust for power and using others as means to her own ends. But that is Jasper's personality and role as a Quartz warrior, and Jasper never pretends to be anything but what she is, what ever Jasper says is what she wants or feels, she is without deception for friend and foe alike.  Lapis though is very deceptive and manipulative, she with holds information, witholds her true feelings and presents FALSE feelings instead.  And it is looking incressingly likely that a lot of what she shows Steven is a mask.  Manipulation and dishonest are serious problems in a relationship and no one seems to be noticing that as Lapis's main personality flaw and a big part of her abuse of Jasper.


      Jaspers lines 'It will be better this time' and Jaspers obviously brutish nature, size and body posture sure makes it SEEM like she is a physical abuser as if Jasper were a husband that beats his wife, but we have always known Lapis is TEH most powerful gem on Earth, Jasper even says as much and Lapis dose not deny it, indeed Lapis had been feeling and thinking that through the whole episodes build up. Jasper dose not try physical intimidation on Lapis, she knows that's pointless, she grovels instead.  Jasper dosn't attack things she can't beat, that's why she goes after Steven instead.


      Steven was a bit 'white knight' in the episode 'She said NO!' he seems to have no recognition that the relationship was bad for Jasper too.  I think may be contributing to the 'Jasper is the EVIL' attitude on many peoples part, but Steven can be wrong about people, hell even Garnet is not infalible.  I strongly expect that we will see Garnet fully explain to Steven what a codependent relationship is in the future, likely the next apearance of Jasper.

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      Agreed on all fronts sir, especially on Steven white-knighting(dear lord I remember MY insufferable white-knight phase in college). And lord yes to Garnet setting him straight.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      ImpalerWrG wrote:
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      Agreed on all fronts sir, especially on Steven white-knighting(dear lord I remember MY insufferable white-knight phase in college). And lord yes to Garnet setting him straight.


      To be fair, Steven's got every right to hate Jasper after all that's happened. Lesee, where to start?

      She's racist against Fusions.

      She nearly killed Garnet.

      She, like many Homeworld Gems, is a blind Diamond worshipper (and unlike Peridot, she doesn't have the "I was just too naive to know any better" excuse that she has).

      She coerced Lapis into fusing with her just to get back at Garnet, i.e. She doesn't know when to take a hint!

      She's speciesist against Earth life (Seriously, just because we don't have fancy colonies here doesn't mean you have the right to stomp on Earth's good name!).

      She forced Lapis into being Malachite for an entire season.

      She made Lapis believe that she was a watery monster, when really, she's just a civilian that got caught in the crossfire.

      She treats Fusion now like a performance enhancing drug.

      She's an outright hypocrite.

      She talks down anyone that's not herself.

      She shows little or no signs of redemption.

      And worst of all, she's a warmongering, blood-hungry jock, and therefore part of one of the worst cliches of all time: The ol' Bullying Jock trope.

      Admittedly, that last one's my personal nitpick, but the rest are pretty good reasons to hate Jasper at this point.

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    • Just a quick scope, peridot wasn't any better at first, neither was lapis

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:
      Just a quick scope, peridot wasn't any better at first, neither was lapis


      You sure about that? Peridot and Lapis at very least were RELATABLE. Not so much with Jasper.

      Peridot was a relatively new Gem that simply didn't know any better, and there was promise for redemption; as she was only doing what she was told, and it's not HER fault the Diamonds have her checking on what is essentially a Gem time-bomb!

      Lapis was an innocent bystander that got caught in the crossfire, and didn't know how bad the Homeworld got after the rebellion. Not to mention, she quickly realized that while she's not a big fan of Earth, she hates the Homeworld for their horrid treatment of her more.

      Jasper does not have either excuses. She's essentially what I THOUGHT all antagonists in this show would be like; cliched, monstrous, and no true regard for other life forms other than themselves. And while the Diamonds, I'll grant you, are worse than her, that doesn't make Jasper and less of a monster than she already is.

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    • Monster? She doesn't even come close to that level, its been mentioned by the creators themselves that she's more complicated than we think, try taking away the entire oceans and taking part in those kindergarten expirements, lapis herself even admitted she did worse than Jasper, lapis and peridots actions were far worse than Jaspers, Jasper may not have much sympathy geared towards her, but that doesn't automatically make her a monster, who's to say other Jaspers aren't like that? I'm not saying she's innocent, I'm saying that in comparison to what peridot and lapis did, she hasn't even come close, being a violent brute doesn't automatically make her irredeemable.

      Oh and about hating earth, lapis and peridot felt the same way, don't try to make them look like saints, not even in comparison to Jasper.

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:
      Monster? She doesn't even come close to that level, its been mentioned by the creators themselves that she's more complicated than we think, try taking away the entire oceans and taking part in those kindergarten expirements, lapis herself even admitted she did worse than Jasper, lapis and peridots actions were far worse than Jaspers, Jasper may not have much sympathy geared towards her, but that doesn't automatically make her a monster, who's to say other Jaspers aren't like that? I'm not saying she's innocent, I'm saying that in comparison to what peridot and lapis did, she hasn't even come close, being a violent brute doesn't automatically make her irredeemable.

      Oh and about hating earth, lapis and peridot felt the same way, don't try to make them look like saints, not even in comparison to Jasper.


      Oh REALLY? Is THAT why she acts a standard lying antagonist? Look, I'll buy that kind of talk for Lapis, Peridot, even the Yellow Diamond Rubies; after all, they were in a morally grey area to begin with. But Jasper? UNDOUBTEDLY in the camp of pure hate. If she didn't she would have know when she was beat and tried to find a way off of Earth. Like I said, she's essentially now the Captain Ahab of Gems.


      Also, lemme break down WHY she's worse than Lapis and Peridot:

      True, she broke Greg's leg, but she no doubt was unaware that humans are more delicate than your average gem.

      Sure, she stole all the Earth's oceans; but as she herself said, she only took them because she couldn't fly away. Besides, not only did she try to protect what life she could be keeping it in the water she took, but ALSO had the decency of returning it when she was off-world. That's more common courtesy than ANY Gem that isn't our Crystal friends have given so far!

      Yes, Peridot took part in the Cluster project; however, she was only doing her job. She didn't even care much about Earth til Steven showed her what greatness it had to offer. Same goes with Lapis.

      And finally: I'm pretty sure Jasper's a QUARTZ, not just another Jasper. After all, she's got a similar body to the likes of Rose Quartz and to a degree, the Centipeetle. And while true, not all Quartzes are like her....she seems to go out of her way to be a defiant, overly hateful jackass. So yeah, do forgive me if I find the complicated angle hard to believe.

      Again, though, I will give you this much: At VERY LEAST, she's not the worst character the show's produced, as there's always someone in the series that could potentially re-ignite the rage. However, she's still pretty high up on what I call the Monster-Meter. The ONLY Gems that surpassed her is the Diamond Authority, and that's because, to Jasper's credit, SHE didn't suggest corrupting innocent Gems that cared about their fellow peoples and essentially leaving them to die!

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    • It lifts a huge weight off my shoulder, knowing jasper is still alive! She is my favorite character after all!

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    • Does it make you feel good that Jasper is on the verge of insanity?

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    • This episode almost reminds me of that creepy fan animation titled 'Drive Me' where Jasper tells Peridot to drive her somwhere and she says that she's busy and Jasper says, "DRIVE ME" (I'm explaining it in the most kid friendly way I can...)

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    • Alone at Sea 168

      Man, I need a fix.

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    • "Alone at Sea" actually made me like Lapis. It was a bit predictable, but still, seeing her admit her dark side, then reject it, felt very fulfilling. Here's hoping they do NOT redeem Jasper because she really fits better as a villain.  

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    • Verdemar wrote:
      "Alone at Sea" actually made me like Lapis. It was a bit predictable, but still, seeing her admit her dark side, then reject it, felt very fulfilling. Here's hoping they do NOT redeem Jasper because she really fits better as a villain.  

      I think Jasper will be redeemed eventually, but not for quite a while. She still has a lot of villainy to do.

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    • Like I said she needs to do a Peridot and appear while laughing and swearing revenge on the CGs then she'll pull a Vagita

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Like I said she needs to do a Peridot and appear while laughing and swearing revenge on the CGs then she'll pull a Vagita


      I repeat: If you say so. Call me cynical, but I SINCERELY doubt she'll turn tail even if Yellow Diamond calls her a failure. She's so stubborn, she'll probably blame Steven for this and try killing him again. And much like last time, she'll be outnumbered (except this time, moreso), and likely be poofed and/or bubbled by the end.

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    • I have to agree that the likelyhood of a redumption arc, perhapse even in the weaker 'Vegeta' style is incressing in probability because were seeing more LAYERS to Jasper's character and layers beget layers, aka the more we see a character the more we are likely to see them again.

      P.S. I'm surprized we got through the whole thread with out a Lapis fisting Jasper dirty joke

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    • ImpalerWrG wrote:
      I have to agree that the likelyhood of a redumption arc, perhapse even in the weaker 'Vegeta' style is incressing in probability because were seeing more LAYERS to Jasper's character and layers beget layers, aka the more we see a character the more we are likely to see them again.

      P.S. I'm surprized we got through the whole thread with out a Lapis fisting Jasper dirty joke


      Thank you! Finally, someone else sees what I'm getting at! Look, I'm not saying I don't want her to redeem herself; I'm all for new members to the roster, and it'd be interesting seeing her act in a more...cordial manner. But she's shown time and time again that she doesn't WANT to change. It's kinda like with the Diamonds; too stubborn to see the eye of reason, and just go with their own twisted sense of right and wrong.

      Wait, doesn't mentioning it count as a joke?

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    • Yea you caught me.

      BTW here is a very nicely done fan comic strip which explores Jaspers feelings, it's from the perspective of a Greg-Jasper ship which has to rank as the rarest ship in the SU fandom.  I would say their is a 80% chance that someone will have a talk like this with Jasper at some point, who would give it I don't know (Peridot maybe), nor am I saying that Jasper will join the Crystal gems even in a Vegeta-ish way. 

      In my book Redemption = Emptional growth and just getting over this fusion obsession/additction and regaining a sense of self worth would be a significant thing and something which I think is guaranteed to happen somehow.  Jasper dose not need to renounce homeworld or join the crystal gems (which I would put at a ~50% probability right now) to have been 'redeamed'.  This may be the source of some of the disagreement over where a Jasper redemption is going to happen and if it SHOULD happen, we do not nessarily lose Jasper as an antagonist infact she might RETURN to being a strong antagonist instead.


      http://graspertrash.tumblr.com/post/148217881910/torrent

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    • Dinoboygreen wrote:
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      Agreed on all fronts sir, especially on Steven white-knighting(dear lord I remember MY insufferable white-knight phase in college). And lord yes to Garnet setting him straight.


      To be fair, Steven's got every right to hate Jasper after all that's happened. Lesee, where to start?

      She's racist against Fusions.

      She nearly killed Garnet.

      She, like many Homeworld Gems, is a blind Diamond worshipper (and unlike Peridot, she doesn't have the "I was just too naive to know any better" excuse that she has).

      She coerced Lapis into fusing with her just to get back at Garnet, i.e. She doesn't know when to take a hint!

      She's speciesist against Earth life (Seriously, just because we don't have fancy colonies here doesn't mean you have the right to stomp on Earth's good name!).

      She forced Lapis into being Malachite for an entire season.

      She made Lapis believe that she was a watery monster, when really, she's just a civilian that got caught in the crossfire.

      She treats Fusion now like a performance enhancing drug.

      She's an outright hypocrite.

      She talks down anyone that's not herself.

      She shows little or no signs of redemption.

      And worst of all, she's a warmongering, blood-hungry jock, and therefore part of one of the worst cliches of all time: The ol' Bullying Jock trope.

      Admittedly, that last one's my personal nitpick, but the rest are pretty good reasons to hate Jasper at this point.

      lastly, she's actually living proof that homeworld gems can go insane easily.

      This willt each steven that sometimes killing a person is the only way to stop them if they don't want to be redeemed

      Jasper must be "put down"(shattered for her own good) since you cant redeem mad dogs or bulls

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    • Benjohn132 wrote:
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      Agreed on all fronts sir, especially on Steven white-knighting(dear lord I remember MY insufferable white-knight phase in college). And lord yes to Garnet setting him straight.


      To be fair, Steven's got every right to hate Jasper after all that's happened. Lesee, where to start?

      She's racist against Fusions.

      She nearly killed Garnet.

      She, like many Homeworld Gems, is a blind Diamond worshipper (and unlike Peridot, she doesn't have the "I was just too naive to know any better" excuse that she has).

      She coerced Lapis into fusing with her just to get back at Garnet, i.e. She doesn't know when to take a hint!

      She's speciesist against Earth life (Seriously, just because we don't have fancy colonies here doesn't mean you have the right to stomp on Earth's good name!).

      She forced Lapis into being Malachite for an entire season.

      She made Lapis believe that she was a watery monster, when really, she's just a civilian that got caught in the crossfire.

      She treats Fusion now like a performance enhancing drug.

      She's an outright hypocrite.

      She talks down anyone that's not herself.

      She shows little or no signs of redemption.

      And worst of all, she's a warmongering, blood-hungry jock, and therefore part of one of the worst cliches of all time: The ol' Bullying Jock trope.

      Admittedly, that last one's my personal nitpick, but the rest are pretty good reasons to hate Jasper at this point.

      lastly, she's actually living proof that homeworld gems can go insane easily.

      This willt each steven that sometimes killing a person is the only way to stop them if they don't want to be redeemed

      Jasper must be "put down"(shattered for her own good) since you cant redeem mad dogs or bulls


      Or insane mavericks. And thanks! It's nice to see someone who sees what I'm getting at. While I greatly appreciate what Steven Universe teaches (i.e. that your enemies aren't quite as evil as they appear to be), the best lesson they could teach out of all of this is....sometimes an enemy's just an enemy.

      You can't redeem EVERYONE who doesn't agree with you; and sometimes, you must defeat them before they destroy YOU. It sounds right-wing crazy, I know, but there is a bit of truth to it.

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    • ImpalerWrG wrote:
      Yea you caught me.

      BTW here is a very nicely done fan comic strip which explores Jaspers feelings, it's from the perspective of a Greg-Jasper ship which has to rank as the rarest ship in the SU fandom.  I would say their is a 80% chance that someone will have a talk like this with Jasper at some point, who would give it I don't know (Peridot maybe), nor am I saying that Jasper will join the Crystal gems even in a Vegeta-ish way. 

      In my book Redemption = Emptional growth and just getting over this fusion obsession/additction and regaining a sense of self worth would be a significant thing and something which I think is guaranteed to happen somehow.  Jasper dose not need to renounce homeworld or join the crystal gems (which I would put at a ~50% probability right now) to have been 'redeamed'.  This may be the source of some of the disagreement over where a Jasper redemption is going to happen and if it SHOULD happen, we do not nessarily lose Jasper as an antagonist infact she might RETURN to being a strong antagonist instead.


      http://graspertrash.tumblr.com/post/148217881910/torrent

      Well, there's always that. However, to be fair, after ALL my bashing...I'll grant those who like her that she's not the absolute worst in terms of monstrous Gems. Sure, she's done plenty of bad things as the main series progressed, but in terms of sheer over-time volumes, the Diamond Authority's done far worse in this regard.

      They've committed many crimes over the course of the series; from corrupting their own people with some secret song-weapon, to discriminating against Fusions (though it's mostly through Jasper's mouth so this one could be wrong), to causing outright genocide on multiple worlds because they screwed the pooch on their own! Sounds like America in a few decades, don't it?

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    • "She forced Lapis into being Malachite for an entire season.

      She made Lapis believe that she was a watery monster, when really, she's just a civilian that got caught in the crossfire. "

      Two things that you got wrong there. Lapis forced Jasér into being Malachite for one whole season and if you passed by what Lapis made Jasper pass, you would think she is a monster.

      Lapis is not a flawless saint angel, get over it.

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    • Lol Y'all not about to come for my Jasper!

      But in all seriousness, I'm going to wait before i say Jasper in ALL in the wrong or if Lapis is actually some "water monster!"

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    • I still think "Bubbled" is about Jasper and when they finally catch her.

      But the more I think about it, I think "Know Your Fusion", I think this could be about Jasper getting her first fusion lesson from Steven and Garnet teaching what a proper fusion should be about.

      The whole Beta 3 parter = Sardonyx arc. or at least "Friendship" only they will catch her.

      "Bubbles" = "Catch and Release", "Know Your Fusion" = "Back To The Barn"

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