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    • LET THE THEORIES RUMBLE

      UM UM I BET LION USED TO BE BROWN

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      lions evrywhere

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    • Lions

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    • That moment when you look at the librarian and you realize Steven and the Crystal Gems are all gonna be nuked - well, actually, you realize it's just a really good reference to Adventure Time series.

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    • Buddy was the only human that knew about gems.

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    • Really cute and lighthearted episode,overall. I'm a sucker for Connie episodes.

      1. Did we see Blue Diamond's palanquin? I wonder why she would leave it on Earth.

      2. Pearl was right.. Rose didn't have a lion. Rose had 7 adorable ones. Could Lion have had siblings? Also, fourth wall break again.

      3.I guess even though humans can’t use warps they can still make it to Gem locations.

      4.The Crystal Gems looked awesome and gorgeous in their historical clothing.

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    • Blue Diamond forgot her dumb spider chair.

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    • I wonder how Rose got a pink lion

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    • So wait is Lion just a shiny version of the other Lions? Were these lions Rose's experiments with out Lion perhaps being the only succesful one?

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    • Tfw the librarian reads Passions of Xanxor

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    • LIE-ONS

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    • We know that Rose had some lions, but all of them are brown and not pink.

      Why wasn't Pearl with Rose though?

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    • Steven was wrong. Rose was the one with secret animal friends.

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    • Those lions were pretty tame, maybe they were a part of Rose's experiments?

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    • Now we're going to let the Rose-Lion theory's roll in uwu


      Mabye Rose kept the Lions secret from the Crystal Gems?

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    • That was pretty nice.

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    • Maybe rose fused PD shards with lion and Lion is the only one that worked,or maybe the lions were plants ...

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    • I wonder what Rose was doing with all those lions?????????? Theory Time!!!!!

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    • Ok but how did Buddy go to a flying island?

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    • AquaticPanic wrote: Ok but how did Buddy go to a flying island?

      Lots of rope probably.

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    • You know what's going to happen now right? LION QUEST-find the other six lions and summon the mighty Shenron! 

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    • I feel like this episode was a message to people like Christopher Columbus, what the message I don't exactly know.

      This was a good episode, we do have some foreshadowing, that one place Steven didn't recognize we are going to go there soon, I can't wait.

      So the Strawberry field was in Europe, all this time we have gone to Europe. I love seeing all of the Crystal Gems in olden clothes, I don't know why Amethyst dressed up like a Northern soldier but whatever, did she fight in the civil war.

      I thought maybe it would be something if we discovered Buddy was one of Rose's lovers, Steven would never look at Jamie the same way again, since in his mind Jamie's face is Buddy's face. Anyway Rose was hanging with normal lions, but none of them a pink lion, like our lions I wonder did Rose do something to a normal lion to make it pink. I think that our lion creation had Pink Diamond gem shards involved, maybe we will find out one day.

      Nice to see what the real Buddy look like. Anyway good episode can't wait for the next one.

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    • He could've gotten help

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    • AquaticPanic wrote: Ok but how did Buddy go to a flying island?

      Hot Air Balloon?

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    • What I wanna see happen is when someone supposedly invades the Battlefield...but its actually a chef getting strawberries thinking the Crystal Gems as Strawberry hogs. 

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    • Maybe Rose had some of her physical and mental form fused with one of her lions.

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    • Fippogrox wrote: Maybe Rose had some of her physical and mental form fused with one of her lions.

      There was this old Steven Universe theory that Rose was Lion, so Mabye...

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    • Zzfunk wrote:

      So the Strawberry field was in Europe, all this time we have gone to Europe. I love seeing all of the Crystal Gems in olden clothes, I don't know why Amethyst dressed up like a Northern soldier but whatever, did she fight in the civil war.

      That was just steven and connies imagination

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    • Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 

      Because maybe...Yellow Diamond is the last diamond alive, and kept it secret for THOUSANDS of years.

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    • YandereYukari wrote:

      Fippogrox wrote: Maybe Rose had some of her physical and mental form fused with one of her lions.

      There was this old Steven Universe theory that Rose was Lion, so Mabye...

      If Rose couldn't fuse with Greg, she probably couldn't fuse with any organic life form.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 

      It said that BD and her court fled the Earth when the rebels attacked, so she might have left her palanquin there. After all how would she get it back to Homeworld

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 
      Because maybe...Yellow Diamond is the last diamond alive, and kept it secret for THOUSANDS of years.

      But Peridot knew about BD, wouldn't that raise too many questions for BD's followers? Like why do we never hear her give orders or speeches?

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 


      Maybe it was Pink's.

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    • The music while Buddy planned his adventures sounded like a variation on music from Attack the Light. I really enjoyed all the music.

      So much theorizing to do!

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    • Great episode, using Jamie was straight up hilarious

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    • This episode's good..but what about the palanquin? BD got poofed or something??

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Yoshimickster wrote: Because maybe...Yellow Diamond is the last diamond alive, and kept it secret for THOUSANDS of years.
      But Peridot knew about BD, wouldn't that raise too many questions for BD's followers? Like why do we never hear her give orders or speeches?

      Shape-shifting, aided by a blue tinted camera. They discovered faster than light space travel, they can fake video.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Ok but how did Buddy go to a flying island?

      He sang a song to Pearl and Amethyst, they fused into Opal and lay down so he could walk across them like a bridge. 

      I think.

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    • Buddy is clearly a wizard, and his library is filled with his many spell-books.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 

      Maybe it was Pink's.

      True, something I've never considered...maybe Pink Diamond had one since she was new to the whole taking over worlds thing but then Rose shattered her and damaged the palaquin. The Diamonds had no idea were it was since maybe Rose moved it so they gave Blue Diamond an armored one. 

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    • I love how they are teasing us with Lion. We see Rose with a pack of lions in the desert, Lion appears at the start of the episode, and yet even from all of that, we still know next to nothing about him!

      Sheesh.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 
      Because maybe...Yellow Diamond is the last diamond alive, and kept it secret for THOUSANDS of years.

      WOW! That's a great conspiracy theory. I should have thought of that!

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    • This episode was totally amazing! We might be getting closer to Lion's origin!

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    • What century are their clothes from? :O

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    • RainbowwQuartz wrote: What century are their clothes from? :O

      17th-18th at a guess.

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    • The Homeworld Gems - well, the "important" ones, considering Gems like Centipeelte were left behind - escaped right before they nuked (for lack of a better term) the planet from orbit and corrupted all of the Gems left there, aside from Rose, Pearl, and Garnet.  I assume Blue Diamond's palanquin was left behind during their escape.

      Furthermore, Rose and her seven lions are clearly based on the (Akkadian, Assyrian, and Babylonian) goddess Ishtar.  Consider that Ishtar, among a few other things, is the goddess of both love and war, and that she had lion guardians.

      It's possible that Lion's creation has something to do with the ziggurat which we saw in this episode, which I'm sure is the same ziggurat Bismuth had mentioned previously.  Also consider that this ziggurat was reffered to as a "sand castle" that destroyed and rebuilt itself constantly and moved around, just like the one from the episode where they find the Desert Glass - and Lion.

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    • Overall I was not particularily impressed by this episode.

      There wasn't much in it that was funny, or surprising, or exciting.

      The only interesting thing was Rose with the lions, and that lasted only about 30 seconds.

      There was nothing wrong with the episode, it is just kinda forgetable.

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    • Yo, guys.. Just a theory.

      So, obviously we are going to see Blue Diamond's palanquin, or as I like to call it, "The Spider Chair", but we are going to see it again. The way Steven said he didn't know what it was was obvious foreshadowing.

      So, what if... The Crystal Gems get to the palanquin for whatever reason and someone is still there..

      Blue Pearl.

      Whether she is poofed, cracked, shattered, sitting there, or maybe even corrupted I think she'll be there.

      That'd be neat. Right?

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    • Also, note that Amethyst's button on her hat is the same simplified rose that is present on many of Rose Quartz's things, including her door in the temple, the scabbard of her sword, her shield, and her flag.

      Oh, and more concerning Amethyst: she's not with Garnet and Pearl as she often is now, and is in the Prime Kindergarten where she was "born."  She's treating it as though she lives there and yells at Buddy to leave.  Amethyst has always had issues with where she's from and what her home is, and what she feels it's "supposed" to be.

      Adding to this, Steven instructed Peridot to think of "home" when bubbling a Gem and sending it off, and we hadn't seen Amethyst bubble a Gem on-screen until recently; don't forget that in On The Run, she said that home was a place she'd never known.  I guess she finally feels more at home now.  My purple baby.

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    • KinguvX wrote:
      Yo, guys.. Just a theory.

      So, obviously we are going to see Blue Diamond's palanquin, or as I like to call it, "The Spider Chair", but we are going to see it again. The way Steven said he didn't know what it was was obvious foreshadowing.

      So, what if... The Crystal Gems get to the palanquin for whatever reason and someone is still there..

      Blue Pearl.

      Whether she is poofed, cracked, shattered, sitting there, or maybe even corrupted I think she'll be there.

      That'd be neat. Right?

      OK, how about this. She is sitting in the chair, or rather her Gem is. IN A ROSE QUARTZ BUBBLE!

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    • KinguvX wrote:
      Yo, guys.. Just a theory.

      So, obviously we are going to see Blue Diamond's palanquin, or as I like to call it, "The Spider Chair", but we are going to see it again. The way Steven said he didn't know what it was was obvious foreshadowing.

      So, what if... The Crystal Gems get to the palanquin for whatever reason and someone is still there..

      Blue Pearl.

      Whether she is poofed, cracked, shattered, sitting there, or maybe even corrupted I think she'll be there.

      That'd be neat. Right?

      Well if she is there with her gemstone intact she must've been corrupted unless, somehow, she escaped having her mind ripped apart by the corruption weapon

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    • So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?

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    • Homura-chan, I'm so glad you pointed that out. It truly is great that Amethyst is finally at home, that she understands that she's not alone and that everyone cares about her. She truly is a great Gem.

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    • Strawberry battlefield is in what would be Europe.

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?

      Why would that mean that it didn't include Rose, though?  If they're all fused, you can't see the individual constitute Gems, because a Fusion is a new being.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      KinguvX wrote:
      Yo, guys.. Just a theory.

      So, obviously we are going to see Blue Diamond's palanquin, or as I like to call it, "The Spider Chair", but we are going to see it again. The way Steven said he didn't know what it was was obvious foreshadowing.

      So, what if... The Crystal Gems get to the palanquin for whatever reason and someone is still there..

      Blue Pearl.

      Whether she is poofed, cracked, shattered, sitting there, or maybe even corrupted I think she'll be there.

      That'd be neat. Right?

      OK, how about this. She is sitting in the chair, or rather her Gem is. IN A ROSE QUARTZ BUBBLE!

      As long as we have a good reason for her being bubbled, like she was Rose's other secret and was meant to give a message to Steven and was bubbled for safety reasons

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?

      That dosn't make any sense because that still would've been a "lesser" fusion than even Alexandrite. Buddy wasn't even there when the fusion appeared, so of course he wouldn't recognize Rose. 

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    • Wait if these are Lion's ancestors then does that mean he might have brothers and sisters somewhere wondering why their brother was chosen to meet the gem child?

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    • Migo.Jason wrote:

      Zzfunk wrote:

      So the Strawberry field was in Europe, all this time we have gone to Europe. I love seeing all of the Crystal Gems in olden clothes, I don't know why Amethyst dressed up like a Northern soldier but whatever, did she fight in the civil war.

      That was just steven and connies imagination

      Perhaps, but don't forget:

      RoseAndGems
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    • I wonder why no other human or humans have reported about Gems tech

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    • ShadowGenerations101 wrote:
      Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?
      That dosn't make any sense because that still would've been a "lesser" fusion than even Alexandrite. Buddy wasn't even there when the fusion appeared, so of course he wouldn't recognize Rose. 

      Plus it doesn't mean the unknown fusion WASN'T partially composed of Rose Quartz, he just never met Rose Quartz personally.

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    • ShadowGenerations101 wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?

      That dosn't make any sense because that still would've been a "lesser" fusion than even Alexandrite. Buddy wasn't even there when the fusion appeared, so of course he wouldn't recognize Rose. 

      Okay like, I know it's a stretch to think Ruby and Sapphire would ever split for any reason, especially if they're both right there, but unless I'm forgetting important lines in Historical Friction there wasn't anything to indicate it was Alexandrite or a higher fusion. It makes more sense that it's a lower fusion, because Alexandrite has six arms and the statue has eight. The unknown fusion only has four, like Opal.

      Homura-chan wrote: Why would that mean that it didn't include Rose, though?  If they're all fused, you can't see the individual constitute Gems, because a Fusion is a new being.

      Again, I might have missed something? But how else would Buddy know the individual Gems besides them defusing after rescuing him and Dewey?

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:

      ShadowGenerations101 wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?
      That dosn't make any sense because that still would've been a "lesser" fusion than even Alexandrite. Buddy wasn't even there when the fusion appeared, so of course he wouldn't recognize Rose. 
      Okay like, I know it's a stretch to think Ruby and Sapphire would ever split for any reason, especially if they're both right there, but unless I'm forgetting important lines in Historical Friction there wasn't anything to indicate it was Alexandrite or a higher fusion. It makes more sense that it's a lower fusion, because Alexandrite has six arms and the statue has eight. The unknown fusion only has four, like Opal.

      Homura-chan wrote: Why would that mean that it didn't include Rose, though?  If they're all fused, you can't see the individual constitute Gems, because a Fusion is a new being.

      Again, I might have missed something? But how else would Buddy know the individual Gems besides them defusing after rescuing him and Dewey?

      Rose's entire dig is that she's very mysterious.  It's not particularly uncommon for humans to know about Gems because they lived in a world with Gems, that's why they're fairly used to weird magic stuff happening, as the Crewniverse has pointed out before.  I don't think it was uncommon at the time for the other three to be out and about doing things while Rose was away, being mysterious, doing . . . Rose things.  Especially since we find out that in Rose's Scabbard, Pearl really didn't know everything about Rose.

      Also consider that the Temple Fusion is similar to Alexandrite, but has more limbs, and a huge mane of curls.  They couldn't get hair like that without Rose.  She would also be the explanation for the other set of arms.

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    • Does it mean something that William Duey's last name is spelled differently than Bill and Buck Dewey? I feel there's something going on there.

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote:
      I wonder why no other human or humans have reported about Gems tech

      It's normal to them.  The Crewniverse has mentioned more than once that this world is used to Gem Tech because it's been there for so long, it's just part of their planet, their history.  That's also why you'll notice things have been "renamed" compared to our universe, and other differences . . . like . . . the lack of Florida.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Does it mean something that William Duey's last name is spelled differently than Bill and Buck Dewey? I feel there's something going on there.

      Mm, perhaps, but based on everything we know now, I'd say it's just a natural thing that happens.  There are lots of surnames that change spelling over time, it's super common.  Just look at the history of various common names, you may find they had different spellings and even different pronunciations and were practically different words entirely.  It's just something language does.

      Also it's a common trope for old timey stuff to have different spellings, since that was a real thing too.  Like "olde."

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    • True, but ever since I heard Bill Dewey freak out after supposedly hearing the word "Cover Up" I can't help thinking there's more to him.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      True, but ever since I heard Bill Dewey freak out after supposedly hearing the word "Cover Up" I can't help thinking there's more to him.

      I'm sure it's a joke based on the fact that he's a politician.  Politicians and cover-ups don't go well together, it could ruin their career like nothing else.  There's a history of politicians being corrupt and involved in cover-ups.

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    • In the episode everything that was part of the flashback was just how steven amagined it. While they most likely were brown, the 7 lions might have been pink just like Lion. And also Amitist might not have actualy been wearing a cival war outfit.

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    • Homura-chan wrote: Rose's entire dig is that she's very mysterious.  It's not particularly uncommon for humans to know about Gems because they lived in a world with Gems, that's why they're fairly used to weird magic stuff happening, as the Crewniverse has pointed out before.  I don't think it was uncommon at the time for the other three to be out and about doing things while Rose was away, being mysterious, doing . . . Rose things.  Especially since we find out that in Rose's Scabbard, Pearl really didn't know everything about Rose.

      Also consider that the Temple Fusion is similar to Alexandrite, but has more limbs, and a huge mane of curls.  They couldn't get hair like that without Rose.  She would also be the explanation for the other set of arms.

      Hm... I'll give you that it's possible the other three were just seen by Buddy around town after the rescue at various points - it's certainly not a guarantee that they defused right there, after rescuing him.

      And seeing Rose hanging out in what we would call Northwestern Africa apart from the other Gems certainly supports that. I'm not sure why you brought up the temple fusion, though? It's extremely obvious that it's Alexandrite + Rose, both designwise and logically speaking.

      We don't know what the deal is with this other fusion, but if it's not Opal it's definitely one of the lesser fusions of 2 or 3 Gems.

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    • Homura-chan wrote:
      Yoshimickster wrote:
      Does it mean something that William Duey's last name is spelled differently than Bill and Buck Dewey? I feel there's something going on there.
      Mm, perhaps, but based on everything we know now, I'd say it's just a natural thing that happens.  There are lots of surnames that change spelling over time, it's super common.  Just look at the history of various common names, you may find they had different spellings and even different pronunciations and were practically different words entirely.  It's just something language does.

      Also it's a common trope for old timey stuff to have different spellings, since that was a real thing too.  Like "olde."

      Good will have.

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    • Homura-chan wrote:

      I'm sure it's a joke based on the fact that he's a politician.  Politicians and cover-ups don't go well together, it could ruin their career like nothing else.  There's a history of politicians being corrupt and involved in cover-ups.

      Yes...and what if HE is one of them? Or even cooler, the reason why the world doesn't freak out that magic exists!  I mean COME ON-I've read/seen enough stories to know that Steven Universe and the Crystal Gems should be celebrities hounded by the paparazzi, and yet...they are treated as normal peeps? WHASGOINONTHERE?!

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:

      Homura-chan wrote: Rose's entire dig is that she's very mysterious.  It's not particularly uncommon for humans to know about Gems because they lived in a world with Gems, that's why they're fairly used to weird magic stuff happening, as the Crewniverse has pointed out before.  I don't think it was uncommon at the time for the other three to be out and about doing things while Rose was away, being mysterious, doing . . . Rose things.  Especially since we find out that in Rose's Scabbard, Pearl really didn't know everything about Rose.

      Also consider that the Temple Fusion is similar to Alexandrite, but has more limbs, and a huge mane of curls.  They couldn't get hair like that without Rose.  She would also be the explanation for the other set of arms.

      Hm... I'll give you that it's possible the other three were just seen by Buddy around town after the rescue at various points - it's certainly not a guarantee that they defused right there, after rescuing him.

      And seeing Rose hanging out in what we would call Northwestern Africa apart from the other Gems certainly supports that. I'm not sure why you brought up the temple fusion, though? It's extremely obvious that it's Alexandrite + Rose, both designwise and logically speaking.

      We don't know what the deal is with this other fusion, but if it's not Opal it's definitely one of the lesser fusions of 2 or 3 Gems.

      Pearl, Garnet, and Amethyst had already revealed themselves to Dewey and Buddy prior to the monster attack.

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:

      Homura-chan wrote: Rose's entire dig is that she's very mysterious.  It's not particularly uncommon for humans to know about Gems because they lived in a world with Gems, that's why they're fairly used to weird magic stuff happening, as the Crewniverse has pointed out before.  I don't think it was uncommon at the time for the other three to be out and about doing things while Rose was away, being mysterious, doing . . . Rose things.  Especially since we find out that in Rose's Scabbard, Pearl really didn't know everything about Rose.

      Also consider that the Temple Fusion is similar to Alexandrite, but has more limbs, and a huge mane of curls.  They couldn't get hair like that without Rose.  She would also be the explanation for the other set of arms.

      Hm... I'll give you that it's possible the other three were just seen by Buddy around town after the rescue at various points - it's certainly not a guarantee that they defused right there, after rescuing him.

      And seeing Rose hanging out in what we would call Northwestern Africa apart from the other Gems certainly supports that. I'm not sure why you brought up the temple fusion, though? It's extremely obvious that it's Alexandrite + Rose, both designwise and logically speaking.

      We don't know what the deal is with this other fusion, but if it's not Opal it's definitely one of the lesser fusions of 2 or 3 Gems.

      I'm pretty sure the "unknown" fusion is the Temple Fusion, that's why.  There doesn't seem to be any other logical answer at the moment.  And we know it's not Bismuth, because Bismuth was hidden in Lion's mane partway through the war and hadn't been out until very recently.  Opal isn't big enough, Sugilite seems to be too big, and it doesn't seem to be Sardonyx, either.  I also really really doubt Ruby and Sapphire would un-fuse and then fuse with someone else?

      I assume that the Gems were fused and scouring the ocean for corrupted Gems, much like the tentacle of the one that grabs Jamie in the play.

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    • MakPo wrote:
      In the episode everything that was part of the flashback was just how steven amagined it. While they most likely were brown, the 7 lions might have been pink just like Lion. And also Amitist might not have actualy been wearing a cival war outfit.

      If they had been pink, Buddy certainly would've mentioned that. That's not something you ignore to write down.

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    • MakPo wrote:
      In the episode everything that was part of the flashback was just how steven amagined it. While they most likely were brown, the 7 lions might have been pink just like Lion. And also Amitist might not have actualy been wearing a cival war outfit.

      I'm really absolutely sure the lions were just regular lions.  Yes it may have been imagined but it's still a cartoon which utilzes "show, don't tell" like any good animation would.  Also consider that Buddy noted the number of lions, which is significant, but not the colour.  If he noted the number, he would certainly note the colour, especially if they were pink.  'Cause lions aren't pink, and that's just weird.

      Lion 2 The Movie 056

      what a weirdo, right?

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    • ShadowGenerations101 wrote:
      Pearl, Garnet, and Amethyst had already revealed themselves to Dewey and Buddy prior to the monster attack.

      Okay thank you, that helps, I didn't remember the episode very well. I just checked out the gallery, actually - maybe Rose was part of it and just didn't greet them! It's not like they fused in front of him, now that I'm reviewing the episode. On that note...

      Homura-chan wrote:
      I'm pretty sure the "unknown" fusion is the Temple Fusion, that's why.  There doesn't seem to be any other logical answer at the moment.  And we know it's not Bismuth, because Bismuth was hidden in Lion's mane partway through the war and hadn't been out until very recently.  Opal isn't big enough, Sugilite seems to be too big, and it doesn't seem to be Sardonyx, either.  I also really really doubt Ruby and Sapphire would un-fuse and then fuse with someone else?

      I assume that the Gems were fused and scouring the ocean for corrupted Gems, much like the tentacle of the one that grabs Jamie in the play.

      You're right, I forgot Opal is way too small. I guess maybe Rose was involved, now that I'm being reminded the other three greeted the ship separately and they didn't fuse in front of him... Besides, as someone else in this thread said about the flashbacks, how do we know the silhouette is accurate, technically? Maybe Steven made generic fusion and monster outlines based on corrupted and fused gems he was familiar with - Opal and Centipeetle.

      So logically assuming Garnet stayed Garnet (trust me, I knew it was a stretch she'd split up, I tried to acknowledge that), our options for unseen fusions are the statue, Garnet/Rose/Amethyst, Garnet/Rose, or Garnet/Pearl/Rose - because maybe Amethyst wasn't as battle-experienced yet?

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      KinguvX wrote:
      Yo, guys.. Just a theory.

      So, obviously we are going to see Blue Diamond's palanquin, or as I like to call it, "The Spider Chair", but we are going to see it again. The way Steven said he didn't know what it was was obvious foreshadowing.

      So, what if... The Crystal Gems get to the palanquin for whatever reason and someone is still there..

      Blue Pearl.

      Whether she is poofed, cracked, shattered, sitting there, or maybe even corrupted I think she'll be there.

      That'd be neat. Right?

      Well if she is there with her gemstone intact she must've been corrupted unless, somehow, she escaped having her mind ripped apart by the corruption weapon

      Maybe she was left there after the curruption blast or she was bubbled and that protected her.

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      ShadowGenerations101 wrote:
      Pearl, Garnet, and Amethyst had already revealed themselves to Dewey and Buddy prior to the monster attack.

      Okay thank you, that helps, I didn't remember the episode very well. I just checked out the gallery, actually - maybe Rose was part of it and just didn't greet them! It's not like they fused in front of him, now that I'm reviewing the episode. On that note...

      Homura-chan wrote:
      I'm pretty sure the "unknown" fusion is the Temple Fusion, that's why.  There doesn't seem to be any other logical answer at the moment.  And we know it's not Bismuth, because Bismuth was hidden in Lion's mane partway through the war and hadn't been out until very recently.  Opal isn't big enough, Sugilite seems to be too big, and it doesn't seem to be Sardonyx, either.  I also really really doubt Ruby and Sapphire would un-fuse and then fuse with someone else?

      I assume that the Gems were fused and scouring the ocean for corrupted Gems, much like the tentacle of the one that grabs Jamie in the play.

      You're right, I forgot Opal is way too small. I guess maybe Rose was involved, now that I'm being reminded the other three greeted the ship separately and they didn't fuse in front of him... Besides, as someone else in this thread said about the flashbacks, how do we know the silhouette is accurate, technically? Maybe Steven made generic fusion and monster outlines based on corrupted and fused gems he was familiar with - Opal and Centipeetle.

      So logically assuming Garnet stayed Garnet (trust me, I knew it was a stretch she'd split up, I tried to acknowledge that), our options for unseen fusions are the statue, Garnet/Rose/Amethyst, Garnet/Rose, or Garnet/Pearl/Rose - because maybe Amethyst wasn't as battle-experienced yet?

      Oh yeah, Garnet/Pearl/Rose is totally possible (duh@myself).  It's probably them.  They are of course very close, especially after being the only non-corrupted Gems after the war (until Amethyst popped out), so it would make sense that they'd go around as just the three of them without Amethyst until she was comfortable/experienced enough to join them.

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    • Even though this is Buddy Episode, I think this is Jamie Episode and I can't believe Jamie beat Steven of meeting Rose Quartz and make him the only human from modern time to interact with Rose Quartz! Wow!

      Anyway, It seem Lion used to be a normal Lion along with 6 other Lions. I assumed Lion died at some point because not all animals live longer than Humans or Gems. I believed Rose put a remaining shards of PD on Lion to revive him and he become PINK LION!

      I heard that there will be an episode that focus on Lion's backstory and how did he met Rose.

      Lion 4: The Prequel. Now hold your comment! I know you guys will be like "That's title is FAKE!" I know this title might be fake but you says the same thing for Barn Mates when it got leaked online and it was real when it was air! Now who do I believe?! 😡

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    • Homura-chan wrote:
      Oh yeah, Garnet/Pearl/Rose is totally possible (duh@myself).  It's probably them.  They are of course very close, especially after being the only non-corrupted Gems after the war (until Amethyst popped out), so it would make sense that they'd go around as just the three of them without Amethyst until she was comfortable/experienced enough to join them.

      The play did show Amethyst greeting Duey with Garnet and Pearl, but I think the rest makes sense - she may not even have been comfortable/experienced enough to even fuse with them yet, fighting at all aside. I think we may have cracked it tbh. So... Sardonyx + Rose basically? Sounds interesting!

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    • Oh wait, yeah, I forgot about Lion - it seems like Lion wasn't around yet when during the events of this episode, or only existed as a normal lion? At the very least, this raises questions about where Rose had Bismuth hidden away before Lion as we know him came along....

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    • What Rose was doing in the middle of the desert? And why Lion stayed there?

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    • Skeke wrote: What Rose was doing in the middle of the desert? And why Lion stayed there?

      There's a theory that the pyramid is PD's grave, but nobody really knows for sure what's going on. The lions probably just came from the desert.

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    • Skeke wrote:
      What Rose was doing in the middle of the desert? And why Lion stayed there?


      She was roleplaying as Prince Of Egypt

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    • Man I was really hoping for Lions origin

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:

      Skeke wrote: What Rose was doing in the middle of the desert? And why Lion stayed there?

      There's a theory that the pyramid is PD's grave, but nobody really knows for sure what's going on. The lions probably just came from the desert.

      That's not really a pyramid, that's a ziggurat.  I'm certain it's the same one Bismuth mentioned in her episode when she said something about the battle for the ziggurat.

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    • I had no idea the Strawberry Battlefield was in Norway (or at least somewhere in Scandinavia, since he could have been walking for a long time)!

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    • I hate it when characters (except for Deadpool) break the fourth wall, it goes against everything I believe in.

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    • Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      I hate it when characters (except for Deadpool) break the fourth wall, it goes against everything I believe in.

      What do you mean? I didn't see any breaking of the 4th wall.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      I hate it when characters (except for Deadpool) break the fourth wall, it goes against everything I believe in.
      What do you mean? I didn't see any breaking of the 4th wall.


      Rose poked at the fourth wall by looking into the camera when telling Buddy about becoming an author. 

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    • Yeah but on the bright side this episode gaves a lot of backround and lore so I'm satistfied,but I am dissappointed because maybe there was too much lore here.Like cuz it was just explosion after explosion in my mind,but maybe that's a good thing.I just hope the amount of information we get next time isn't as great so we keep wondering and getting more and more anxious to find out the truth behind it all(*cough* Ronaldo).

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    • Jamie in Buddy's portrait also winked at us

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    • Do you guys think that the reason why humans aren't to interested in Gem tech is because they think it's art or that anicent tech

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    • "Rose didn't had a lion". She had 7 lions! Pearl would've known about this, even more. ((-=)

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    • I wonder could Rose have been in hidden due to the fact that Buddy did not call Rose the 4th or the other crystal gem

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    • Angry Hearts wrote:
      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      I hate it when characters (except for Deadpool) break the fourth wall, it goes against everything I believe in.
      What do you mean? I didn't see any breaking of the 4th wall.

      Rose poked at the fourth wall by looking into the camera when telling Buddy about becoming an author. 

      That was just Steven's imagination based on what Buddy wrote. It is not a surprise that Steven would imagine his mother talking to him through Buddy.

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    • You have your right to hate it, but to this day I STILL don't get why some people hate breaking the 4th wall so much. Is it because it breaks the illusion? If so...whatever. I knew it was fictional when I started watching it, there was no illusion to break for me!

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    • What is up with everyone HATING Breaking the fourth wall?

      I am okay with Crewniverse doing breaking the fourth wall.

      Hello People! It's not going to affect the storyline! Who care about Breaking the fourth wall being the problem?!

      All that I care about is a good storyline! Gosh! This people are being ridiculous over a breaking the fourth wall! 😡😡😡😡😡

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    • THANK YOU Viniesh...I spelled that because I assume its your real name, is it? If not I'll just type Vin.

      Its just such a common thing in comedy, I don't see why people have such a problem with it.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Angry Hearts wrote:
      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      I hate it when characters (except for Deadpool) break the fourth wall, it goes against everything I believe in.
      What do you mean? I didn't see any breaking of the 4th wall.

      Rose poked at the fourth wall by looking into the camera when telling Buddy about becoming an author. 

      That was just Steven's imagination based on what Buddy wrote. It is not a surprise that Steven would imagine his mother talking to him through Buddy.

      Breaking/poking the fourth wall is within the show or episode, regardless of Steven imagining it or not. If it's used in the episode itself, it's breaking the fourth wall of the show. Not just Steven imagining. 

      I personally like breaking/poking the fourth wall, as long as it isn't repetitive.

      It's okay to have your opinions but remember, this is the Internet. No opinion is safe without disagreements or criticism.

      If you don't agree with it, that's fine, but there's no need to argue over it or try and force people over your sides. 

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    • Yoshimickster wrote: THANK YOU Viniesh...I spelled that because I assume its your real name, is it? If not I'll just type Vin.

      Its just such a common thing in comedy, I don't see why people have such a problem with it.

      Actually Viniesh is NOT my real name. Vin13ish is just Vin13ish. That's all

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    • Vin13ish wrote:

      Yoshimickster wrote: THANK YOU Viniesh...I spelled that because I assume its your real name, is it? If not I'll just type Vin.

      Its just such a common thing in comedy, I don't see why people have such a problem with it.

      Actually Viniesh is NOT my real name. Vin13ish is just Vin13ish. That's all

      OKEY SKOKES-thought it was a clever name pun, but just a cool name, its all good.

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    • Wow why are we getting so technical lol

      Even if we don't think Rose's glance was additionally directed at us, from Steven's perspective it could for sure be seen as a 4th wall break. That's my stance.

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:
      Wow why are we getting so technical lol

      Even if we don't think Rose's glance was additionally directed at us, from Steven's perspective it could for sure be seen as a 4th wall break. That's my stance.

      Why are we getting technical? WHY?! BECAUSE...we've exhausted all real discussion from this topic, now we's bored.

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    • What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

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    • That question is for everyone by the way

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      The blue diamond palanquin

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:
      What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      The Gem Battlefield is one of my favorites ones ever, the way it was beautifully drawn (though pretty much every scene in SU is beautifully constructed) I just really liked seeing it again. There just seems to be a lot of history to it we've yet to see about it, besides the fact where battles were fought. I liked seeing that the most. WIsh we could have seen more of it though. 

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    • Angry Hearts wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote:
      What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      The Gem Battlefield is one of my favorites ones ever, the way it was beautifully drawn (though pretty much every scene in SU is beautifully constructed) I just really liked seeing it again. There just seems to be a lot of history to it we've yet to see about it, besides the fact where battles were fought. I liked seeing that the most. WIsh we could have seen more of it though. 

      Yes, it truly is an amazing historical site, the Gem Battlefield. I do hope we learn way more about it someday

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    • Lapidot445 wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      The blue diamond palanquin

      Yeah, it is curious why she left that behind. Guess things got desperate for her maybe? Who knows?

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    • Also guys, about the Lions thing. Steven and Connie were imagining it all. So Lion could have been one of them, maybe he wouldn't have. For all we know, Rose could have had a rainbow of lions. Or they all could have been pink. So who knows? Maybe we're getting closer. Maybe we aren't to Lion's history  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    • Lapidot445 wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      The blue diamond palanquin

      Why would she abandon her own palanquin?

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    • Angry Hearts wrote: Also guys, about the Lions thing. Steven and Connie were imagining it all. So Lion could have been one of them, maybe he wouldn't have. For all we know, Rose could have had a rainbow of lions. Or they all could have been pink. So who knows? Maybe we're getting closer. Maybe we aren't to Lion's history  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      You could be on to something, my fellow Lapis fan. 👌👍

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    • Angry Hearts wrote:
      Also guys, about the Lions thing. Steven and Connie were imagining it all. So Lion could have been one of them, maybe he wouldn't have. For all we know, Rose could have had a rainbow of lions. Or they all could have been pink. So who knows? Maybe we're getting closer. Maybe we aren't to Lion's history  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      The book did say there were several lions there. But if it was pink, wouldn't Buddy have written "pink lions" in his journal? I mean you don't see pink lions everyday. He was a detailed writer after all. Rose said so.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:

      Angry Hearts wrote:
      Also guys, about the Lions thing. Steven and Connie were imagining it all. So Lion could have been one of them, maybe he wouldn't have. For all we know, Rose could have had a rainbow of lions. Or they all could have been pink. So who knows? Maybe we're getting closer. Maybe we aren't to Lion's history  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      The book did say there were several lions there. But if it was pink, wouldn't Buddy have written "pink lions" in his journal? I mean you don't see pink lions everyday. He was a detailed writer after all. Rose said so.

      All we can do is wait and see of course. But you do have a point

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote:

      Angry Hearts wrote:
      Also guys, about the Lions thing. Steven and Connie were imagining it all. So Lion could have been one of them, maybe he wouldn't have. For all we know, Rose could have had a rainbow of lions. Or they all could have been pink. So who knows? Maybe we're getting closer. Maybe we aren't to Lion's history  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      The book did say there were several lions there. But if it was pink, wouldn't Buddy have written "pink lions" in his journal? I mean you don't see pink lions everyday. He was a detailed writer after all. Rose said so.
      All we can do is wait and see of course. But you do have a point

      As long as it isn't a "breaking" point.

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    • ACWeapons wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote:

      Angry Hearts wrote:
      Also guys, about the Lions thing. Steven and Connie were imagining it all. So Lion could have been one of them, maybe he wouldn't have. For all we know, Rose could have had a rainbow of lions. Or they all could have been pink. So who knows? Maybe we're getting closer. Maybe we aren't to Lion's history  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      The book did say there were several lions there. But if it was pink, wouldn't Buddy have written "pink lions" in his journal? I mean you don't see pink lions everyday. He was a detailed writer after all. Rose said so.
      All we can do is wait and see of course. But you do have a point

      As long as it isn't a "breaking" point.

      That's another thing, what about the Zaggeraut? Isn't that curious?

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      ACWeapons wrote:


      Angry Hearts wrote:
      Also guys, about the Lions thing. Steven and Connie were imagining it all. So Lion could have been one of them, maybe he wouldn't have. For all we know, Rose could have had a rainbow of lions. Or they all could have been pink. So who knows? Maybe we're getting closer. Maybe we aren't to Lion's history  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      The book did say there were several lions there. But if it was pink, wouldn't Buddy have written "pink lions" in his journal? I mean you don't see pink lions everyday. He was a detailed writer after all. Rose said so.
      All we can do is wait and see of course. But you do have a point
      As long as it isn't a "breaking" point.
      That's another thing, what about the Zaggeraut? Isn't that curious?

      Refresh my memory please. Which one was it again?

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    • Well, in Bismuth they mentioned she disappeared during the battle for the Ziggurat, which is the type of building that the sand castle looked like

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      Definitely the Desert Glass ziggurat (thanks for the correction, Homura-chan!), because seeing where it was and what else was around it really opened up some exciting implications. It was interesting to see that there's a palanquin monument somewhere, too, though.

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      Definitely the Desert Glass ziggurat (thanks for the correction, Homura-chan!), because seeing where it was and what else was around it really opened up some exciting implications. It was interesting to see that there's a palanquin monument somewhere, too, though.

      Yeah, I can't believe that the Desert Glass made such a huge building such as a Ziggurat! Biggest thing we've seen it make. And I do wonder why Blue Diamond left her walking chair behind

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      Definitely the Desert Glass ziggurat (thanks for the correction, Homura-chan!), because seeing where it was and what else was around it really opened up some exciting implications. It was interesting to see that there's a palanquin monument somewhere, too, though.

      Yeah, I can't believe that the Desert Glass made such a huge building such as a Ziggurat! Biggest thing we've seen it make. And I do wonder why Blue Diamond left her walking chair behind

      We did see the same structure in Steven's Lion, too, and the consistency of that one building is encouraging. I still like the grave site theory.

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      Definitely the Desert Glass ziggurat (thanks for the correction, Homura-chan!), because seeing where it was and what else was around it really opened up some exciting implications. It was interesting to see that there's a palanquin monument somewhere, too, though.

      Yeah, I can't believe that the Desert Glass made such a huge building such as a Ziggurat! Biggest thing we've seen it make. And I do wonder why Blue Diamond left her walking chair behind

      We did see the same structure in Steven's Lion, too, and the consistency of that one building is encouraging. I still like the grave site theory.

      So you think Blue Diamond might be dead?

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    • 1. I'm so glad we are going to have more old-timey Gems fanarts!

      2. Is Lion Rose's child too? Are Lion and Steven half-brothers?

      3. Did the Crystal Gems shattered Blue Diamond too? I guess things don't look good for the elusive Whitey...

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    • Did anyone notice that Amethyst said nobody knows where the Sand Castle could be because it never stays in the same place, while Rose was actually there and seemed not to care too much? Is the Sand Castle related with another one of Rose's misteries?

      Also, Buddy reported and drew the mural inside the Reversed Pyramid, so there's still a chance we will see it whole in the future.

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      Definitely the Desert Glass ziggurat (thanks for the correction, Homura-chan!), because seeing where it was and what else was around it really opened up some exciting implications. It was interesting to see that there's a palanquin monument somewhere, too, though.
      Yeah, I can't believe that the Desert Glass made such a huge building such as a Ziggurat! Biggest thing we've seen it make. And I do wonder why Blue Diamond left her walking chair behind

      Are you sure that it's her walking chair? It could be PD's chair.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:


      MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      Definitely the Desert Glass ziggurat (thanks for the correction, Homura-chan!), because seeing where it was and what else was around it really opened up some exciting implications. It was interesting to see that there's a palanquin monument somewhere, too, though.
      Yeah, I can't believe that the Desert Glass made such a huge building such as a Ziggurat! Biggest thing we've seen it make. And I do wonder why Blue Diamond left her walking chair behind
      Are you sure that it's her walking chair? It could be PD's chair.

      Maybe PD wasn't LEET enough for one.?

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    • Nav'Talor wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:


      MizukageMoonstone wrote: What was your favorite throwback from the episode? What old Gem things or places did you like seeing again?

      Definitely the Desert Glass ziggurat (thanks for the correction, Homura-chan!), because seeing where it was and what else was around it really opened up some exciting implications. It was interesting to see that there's a palanquin monument somewhere, too, though.
      Yeah, I can't believe that the Desert Glass made such a huge building such as a Ziggurat! Biggest thing we've seen it make. And I do wonder why Blue Diamond left her walking chair behind
      Are you sure that it's her walking chair? It could be PD's chair.
      Maybe PD wasn't LEET enough for one.?

      Because remember, earth was her first and ONLY colony. For still unknown reasons.

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    • When did they say it was her only colony?

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    • The Strawberry Battlefield is located in Norway?

      Mind. Blown.

      I would've died if it was in my native Sweden though, hahaha. Close enough I guess...

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      The Strawberry Battlefield is located in Norway?

      Mind. Blown.

      I would've died if it was in my native Sweden though, hahaha. Close enough I guess...

      So, do the Norsk have giant strawberries?

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      The Strawberry Battlefield is located in Norway?

      Mind. Blown.

      I would've died if it was in my native Sweden though, hahaha. Close enough I guess...

      So, do the Norsk have giant strawberries?


      If they do, they've kept it well-hidden from the rest of us vikings... those sneaky Norwegians.

      I'm not too sad though: according to Pearl's markings there should be two Gem sites in Sweden; one in the middle of the country and one up north. If only I lived in the SU universe, I would go on a pilgrimage...

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    • Homura-chan wrote:
      Migo.Jason wrote:

      Zzfunk wrote:

      So the Strawberry field was in Europe, all this time we have gone to Europe. I love seeing all of the Crystal Gems in olden clothes, I don't know why Amethyst dressed up like a Northern soldier but whatever, did she fight in the civil war.

      That was just steven and connies imagination
      Perhaps, but don't forget:
      RoseAndGems

      "The hardest part was getting the shark to pose." ~Garnet

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    • If there were two major Gem sites in Sweden, as well as minor sites such as the Strawberry Battlefields in Norway, the Gems must've had quite a large presence in Scandinavia.

      Now I can't stop fantizing about the Crystal Gems dressed up as stereotypical vikings (fur everywhere, horned helmets ect)... the thought of Amethyst in one of those big-busted costumes female opera singers use in cartoons has me quite hot under the collar!

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    • Jeg vil dra til Norge.

      Translation: I would like to go to Norway. (though I may have the tense wrong)

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    • Ed486 wrote:
      When did they say it was her only colony?

      Assumption based on the murals on the moon base, where her mural only had one planet.

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    • Did you don't think that this palanquin opened BD arc in 4th season ? and lion orgins for 4th season ?

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    • Will Jasper ever un-fuse from the snow monster?

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    • WagsTon30 wrote:
      Will Jasper ever un-fuse from the snow monster?

      She did unfuse from her, she just corrupted into a form similar to hers.

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    • WagsTon30 wrote:
      Will Jasper ever un-fuse from the snow monster?

      She did unfuse. Remember: "No one I fuse with ever stays".

      But she became infected, and has become a snow monster.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:

      WagsTon30 wrote:
      Will Jasper ever un-fuse from the snow monster?

      She did unfuse. Remember: "No one I fuse with ever stays".

      But she became infected, and has become a snow monster.

      I honestly do hope she gets cured! Sure, she crazy with revenge, but no one deserves to be corrupted. Hopefully Steven figures out that he should try his dream powers

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Ronaldo Smith wrote:

      WagsTon30 wrote:
      Will Jasper ever un-fuse from the snow monster?
      She did unfuse. Remember: "No one I fuse with ever stays".

      But she became infected, and has become a snow monster.

      I honestly do hope she gets cured! Sure, she crazy with revenge, but no one deserves to be corrupted. Hopefully Steven figures out that he should try his dream powers

      SAME-and then CENTIPEETLE!

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Ronaldo Smith wrote:


      WagsTon30 wrote:
      Will Jasper ever un-fuse from the snow monster?
      She did unfuse. Remember: "No one I fuse with ever stays".

      But she became infected, and has become a snow monster.

      I honestly do hope she gets cured! Sure, she crazy with revenge, but no one deserves to be corrupted. Hopefully Steven figures out that he should try his dream powers
      SAME-and then CENTIPEETLE!


      Yea. Life must be sucking for Jasper.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      The Strawberry Battlefield is located in Norway?

      Mind. Blown.

      I would've died if it was in my native Sweden though, hahaha. Close enough I guess...

      The first thing I thought about when I saw its location was that the Beatles, other than Strawberry Fields, had a song named Norwegian Wood. I don't know if it's a little stretched out, but it could be the third direct reference to a Beatles song in the show. It can't be a coincidence that the Battlefield is located in one of the only two Countries that are cited in the title of a Beatles song (there's also Back in the USSR, and - oh, wait, that's where the big hole is located! -). 

      Now I wonder if we will get Sexy Sadie too!

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    • WagsTon30 wrote:

      Yoshimickster wrote:
      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Ronaldo Smith wrote:


      WagsTon30 wrote:
      Will Jasper ever un-fuse from the snow monster?
      She did unfuse. Remember: "No one I fuse with ever stays".

      But she became infected, and has become a snow monster.

      I honestly do hope she gets cured! Sure, she crazy with revenge, but no one deserves to be corrupted. Hopefully Steven figures out that he should try his dream powers
      SAME-and then CENTIPEETLE!


      Yea. Life must be sucking for Jasper.

      I definitely want Centipeetle cured first though, then Jasper

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    • But there's nothing to cure for Centipeetle. Seems to me they were happy to let her live a secluded life with her own kind for now. Unlike other Gem Monsters, she doesn't seem to be suffering as long as they can be together... I don't think the Crystal Gems will attempt to cure her other than them curing every Gem Monster once the cure is found.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote: But there's nothing to cure for Centipeetle. Seems to me they were happy to let her live a secluded life with her own kind for now. Unlike other Gem Monsters, she doesn't seem to be suffering as long as they can be together... I don't think the Crystal Gems will attempt to cure her other than them curing every Gem Monster once the cure is found.

      I understand what you mean but wouldn't it be better for them to be themselves again? Of course if they do cure her, her crew members should be too.

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    • I didnt watch the episode but I hear Jamie is in it so it sucks

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    • LotusFlowers wrote: I didnt watch the episode but I hear Jamie is in it so it sucks

      Why you hating on Jamie?

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      LotusFlowers wrote: I didnt watch the episode but I hear Jamie is in it so it sucks

      Why you hating on Jamie?

      cuz he's the lamest character in SU history

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    • LotusFlowers wrote:
      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      LotusFlowers wrote: I didnt watch the episode but I hear Jamie is in it so it sucks

      Why you hating on Jamie?
      cuz he's the lamest character in SU history

      Thought that was connie's parents.

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    • Nav'Talor wrote:

      LotusFlowers wrote:
      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      LotusFlowers wrote: I didnt watch the episode but I hear Jamie is in it so it sucks

      Why you hating on Jamie?
      cuz he's the lamest character in SU history

      Thought that was connie's parents.

      No, Kevin is the lamest

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    • Pomi098 wrote:
      Buddy was the only human that knew about gems.

      i don't think so here's captain william dewey and his crew knew about gems

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    • As long as Jamie doesn't try and get into Garnet's collective pants, he isn't bad. I found it very humerous that the kids imagined him (since he played Buddy in the stage play after all) as Buddy.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote: As long as Jamie doesn't try and get into Garnet's collective pants, he isn't bad. I found it very humerous that the kids imagined him (since he played Buddy in the stage play after all) as Buddy.

      Yeah, it was great 😊👍👌

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    • guys do you think rose used her healing tears on a lion to become the pink lion that we all know and love?

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    • Minolion wrote: guys do you think rose used her healing tears on a lion to become the pink lion that we all know and love?

      Maybe? Hard to say

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    • I hate the idea of Rose becoming Lion and thereby cheating death. Rose's death in order to give birth to Steven is such a huge, core element of the show that I'd definite do not want Rose cheating death in such a manner.

      Hopefully the Crewniverse feel the same way and won't do just that.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote: I hate the idea of Rose becoming Lion and thereby cheating death. Rose's death in order to give birth to Steven is such a huge, core element of the show that I'd definite do not want Rose cheating death in such a manner.

      Hopefully the Crewniverse feel the same way and won't do just that.

      I hope the same thing. It would be disappointing if that's what happens

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    • Pretty much every element of the show rests upon her death one way or another when you think about it.

      Sorta macabre and morbid, really.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote: Pretty much every element of the show rests upon her death one way or another when you think about it.

      Sorta macabre when you think about it...!

      So true, especially since Rose apparently had to kill Pink Diamond to keep Steven's version of our world free, to keep everyone free

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    • her death was to make steven. Better then the witch kings death.

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    • Well Rose was never stated to have died.  There have even been instances of people interviewing Rebecca Sugar and asking about "Rose's death" and she deliberately points out that nowhere in the show has it been stated that Rose died.  She is her Gem, after all.  She even tells us she has become half of Steven.

      Concerning the palanquin, it's definitely Blue Diamond's.  The Diamonds don't all have the same aesthetic.  We have seen that Yellow Diamond is very future-tech-heavy, very no-nonsense, her clothing is almost like a business suit.  Blue Diamond on the other hand has an Indo-Persian aesthetic going on with her court, hence the palanquin.  Something like that would be out-of-place in Yellow Diamond's court, and very likely White Diamond's and Pink Diamond's.

      Speaking of Pink Diamond, it's possible the reason the only planet she colonized was Earth was because she was from Earth.  Take a moment to look at the map of the world in the SU universe.  One of the biggest changes is this huge hole that takes out a huge chunk of where Russia would be.

      Steven-universe-episode-recap-it-couldve-been-great-earth-map

      We should also make note that Pink Diamond's mural is quite different from the other Diamdonds' murals in another way - her posing.  All of the other Diamonds appear to be ethereal and floating, while Pink Diamond looks as though she's bursting out of the ground.  Pink Diamond was likely the newest Diamond to join the

      Pink diamond mural transparent

      Navel of the Earth, huh?

      Order of The Diamonds, considering her mural's posing and her lack of colonized planets.

      So, now with these two things in mind, allow me to continue.  In our world, there is this really, really big hole, the largest excavated hole in the world, known as Mir Mine, which is also sometimes referred to as The Navel of The Earth.  At its peak, this mine produced 10,000,000 carats of diamonds per year.  And you'll never guess where it is . . . 

      The Mir Mine






      Mir Mine Area on Map

      Matches up with the huge hole in the SU universe.  Plus, "Navel of the Earth?"  With Pink Diamond's gem location?  Very interesting stuff.

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    • Homura-chan wrote: Well Rose was never stated to have died.  There have even been instances of people interviewing Rebecca Sugar and asking about "Rose's death" and she deliberately points out that nowhere in the show has it been stated that Rose died.  She is her Gem, after all.  She even tells us she has become half of Steven.

      Concerning the palanquin, it's definitely Blue Diamond's.  The Diamonds don't all have the same aesthetic.  We have seen that Yellow Diamond is very future-tech-heavy, very no-nonsense, her clothing is almost like a business suit.  Blue Diamond on the other hand has an Indo-Persian aesthetic going on with her court, hence the palanquin.  Something like that would be out-of-place in Yellow Diamond's court, and very likely White Diamond's and Pink Diamond's.

      Speaking of Pink Diamond, it's possible the reason the only planet she colonized was Earth was because she was from Earth.  Take a moment to look at the map of the world in the SU universe.  One of the biggest changes is this huge hole that takes out a huge chunk of where Russia would be.

      Steven-universe-episode-recap-it-couldve-been-great-earth-map

      We should also make note that Pink Diamond's mural is quite different from the other Diamdonds' murals in another way - her posing.  All of the other Diamonds appear to be ethereal and floating, while Pink Diamond looks as though she's bursting out of the ground.  Pink Diamond was likely the newest Diamond to join the

      Pink diamond mural transparent

      Navel of the Earth, huh?

      Order of The Diamonds, considering her mural's posing and her lack of colonized planets.

      So, now with these two things in mind, allow me to continue.  In our world, there is this really, really big hole, the largest excavated hole in the world, known as Mir Mine, which is also sometimes referred to as The Navel of The Earth.  At its peak, this mine produced 10,000,000 carats of diamonds per year.  And you'll never guess where it is . . . 

      The Mir Mine






      Mir Mine Area on Map

      Matches up with the huge hole in the SU universe.  Plus, "Navel of the Earth?"  With Pink Diamond's gem location?  Very interesting stuff.

      You have blown my mind with what you said about Pink Diamond! That makes a whole lot of sense! Also it's true, Rose is definitely still alive, just not physically since it's impossible to say if she can see or hear anything inside that Gemstone of her's.

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    • Homura-chan wrote:
      Well Rose was never stated to have died.  There have even been instances of people interviewing Rebecca Sugar and asking about "Rose's death" and she deliberately points out that nowhere in the show has it been stated that Rose died.  She is her Gem, after all.  She even tells us she has become half of Steven.

      Concerning the palanquin, it's definitely Blue Diamond's.  The Diamonds don't all have the same aesthetic.  We have seen that Yellow Diamond is very future-tech-heavy, very no-nonsense, her clothing is almost like a business suit.  Blue Diamond on the other hand has an Indo-Persian aesthetic going on with her court, hence the palanquin.  Something like that would be out-of-place in Yellow Diamond's court, and very likely White Diamond's and Pink Diamond's.

      Speaking of Pink Diamond, it's possible the reason the only planet she colonized was Earth was because she was from Earth.  Take a moment to look at the map of the world in the SU universe.  One of the biggest changes is this huge hole that takes out a huge chunk of where Russia would be.

      Steven-universe-episode-recap-it-couldve-been-great-earth-map

      We should also make note that Pink Diamond's mural is quite different from the other Diamdonds' murals in another way - her posing.  All of the other Diamonds appear to be ethereal and floating, while Pink Diamond looks as though she's bursting out of the ground.  Pink Diamond was likely the newest Diamond to join the

      Pink diamond mural transparent

      Navel of the Earth, huh?

      Order of The Diamonds, considering her mural's posing and her lack of colonized planets.

      So, now with these two things in mind, allow me to continue.  In our world, there is this really, really big hole, the largest excavated hole in the world, known as Mir Mine, which is also sometimes referred to as The Navel of The Earth.  At its peak, this mine produced 10,000,000 carats of diamonds per year.  And you'll never guess where it is . . . 

      The Mir Mine






      Mir Mine Area on Map

      Matches up with the huge hole in the SU universe.  Plus, "Navel of the Earth?"  With Pink Diamond's gem location?  Very interesting stuff.

      O my gods you  my friend... are a complete Genius! I had already say maybe in their universe Mir Mine swallowed Rusiia, but I had never added that Pink Diamond part into it! Best theory I have seen so far, easily.

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    • Rose's physical form is destroyed - or forfeit in favour of Steven's physical form if you will. For all practical purpose and intent she is "dead" to the rest of the characters. The way she is still alive is in the way Steven has "become" his mother in terms of Gemhood or identity, which is why Jasper hates him and why Eyeball tried to shank him, prison-style.

      Also, I hate how people take that "I'm going to become half of you"-line so literally. Steven is not literally 50% him and 50% her. Rose was enthralled by the concept of procreation, and one of the concept of that is that the offspring is a genetic mix of both parents - that's most likely what she was talking about...

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    • THEORY FROM YOUR THEORY TIME:

      ONE-Pink Diamond hated her role as ruler, feeling she was never given a chance to be what she wanted, so she created Rose Quartz to "shatter" her, than fused her consciousness with her.

      OR-Rose Quartz idolized Pink Diamond as much as any of her subjects, and also had her same beliefs in personal freedom...and was told by Pink Diamond to shatter her, after telling her that she, a diamond, was made here on Earth.

      Probably the second.

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    • Probably neither, frankly. Pink Diamond was a Gem Diamond like the rest, and Gems are really a despicable race of beings when you think about it. Don't forget that Pink Diamond was so uncompromising in her plan to kill all life on Earth in order to birth more Gems Earth that Rose had to shatter her to put a stop to it.

      I've no doubt Rose loved her Diamond and was devastated when she had to resort to shattering her in the end, but it probably wasn't because Pink Diamond was a saint or anything but rather the devotion every Gem is born with.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote: THEORY FROM YOUR THEORY TIME:

      ONE-Pink Diamond hated her role as ruler, feeling she was never given a chance to be what she wanted, so she created Rose Quartz to "shatter" her, than fused her consciousness with her.

      OR-Rose Quartz idolized Pink Diamond as much as any of her subjects, and also had her same beliefs in personal freedom...and was told by Pink Diamond to shatter her, after telling her that she, a diamond, was made here on Earth.

      Probably the second.

      Well, it's hard to say if it actually happened like that of course. Especially since we don't know how Pink Diamond acts or anything. Hopefully we'll get a flashback episode, like maybe where Steven asks what was she like and if Pearl or the others were there when it happened or not

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    • Homura-chan wrote:
      Well Rose was never stated to have died.  There have even been instances of people interviewing Rebecca Sugar and asking about "Rose's death" and she deliberately points out that nowhere in the show has it been stated that Rose died.  She is her Gem, after all.  She even tells us she has become half of Steven.

      Concerning the palanquin, it's definitely Blue Diamond's.  The Diamonds don't all have the same aesthetic.  We have seen that Yellow Diamond is very future-tech-heavy, very no-nonsense, her clothing is almost like a business suit.  Blue Diamond on the other hand has an Indo-Persian aesthetic going on with her court, hence the palanquin.  Something like that would be out-of-place in Yellow Diamond's court, and very likely White Diamond's and Pink Diamond's.

      Speaking of Pink Diamond, it's possible the reason the only planet she colonized was Earth was because she was from Earth.  Take a moment to look at the map of the world in the SU universe.  One of the biggest changes is this huge hole that takes out a huge chunk of where Russia would be.

      Steven-universe-episode-recap-it-couldve-been-great-earth-map

      We should also make note that Pink Diamond's mural is quite different from the other Diamdonds' murals in another way - her posing.  All of the other Diamonds appear to be ethereal and floating, while Pink Diamond looks as though she's bursting out of the ground.  Pink Diamond was likely the newest Diamond to join the

      Pink diamond mural transparent

      Navel of the Earth, huh?

      Order of The Diamonds, considering her mural's posing and her lack of colonized planets.

      So, now with these two things in mind, allow me to continue.  In our world, there is this really, really big hole, the largest excavated hole in the world, known as Mir Mine, which is also sometimes referred to as The Navel of The Earth.  At its peak, this mine produced 10,000,000 carats of diamonds per year.  And you'll never guess where it is . . . 

      The Mir Mine






      Mir Mine Area on Map

      Matches up with the huge hole in the SU universe.  Plus, "Navel of the Earth?"  With Pink Diamond's gem location?  Very interesting stuff.


      Yes palanquin belong to BD, Don't you think she will be show again very soon and if diamonds were't make only on homeworld, it's very possible that she is responsible for this whole in Russia

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    • Squeep wrote:
      Homura-chan wrote:
      Well Rose was never stated to have died.  There have even been instances of people interviewing Rebecca Sugar and asking about "Rose's death" and she deliberately points out that nowhere in the show has it been stated that Rose died.  She is her Gem, after all.  She even tells us she has become half of Steven.

      Concerning the palanquin, it's definitely Blue Diamond's.  The Diamonds don't all have the same aesthetic.  We have seen that Yellow Diamond is very future-tech-heavy, very no-nonsense, her clothing is almost like a business suit.  Blue Diamond on the other hand has an Indo-Persian aesthetic going on with her court, hence the palanquin.  Something like that would be out-of-place in Yellow Diamond's court, and very likely White Diamond's and Pink Diamond's.

      Speaking of Pink Diamond, it's possible the reason the only planet she colonized was Earth was because she was from Earth.  Take a moment to look at the map of the world in the SU universe.  One of the biggest changes is this huge hole that takes out a huge chunk of where Russia would be.

      Steven-universe-episode-recap-it-couldve-been-great-earth-map

      We should also make note that Pink Diamond's mural is quite different from the other Diamdonds' murals in another way - her posing.  All of the other Diamonds appear to be ethereal and floating, while Pink Diamond looks as though she's bursting out of the ground.  Pink Diamond was likely the newest Diamond to join the

      Pink diamond mural transparent

      Navel of the Earth, huh?

      Order of The Diamonds, considering her mural's posing and her lack of colonized planets.

      So, now with these two things in mind, allow me to continue.  In our world, there is this really, really big hole, the largest excavated hole in the world, known as Mir Mine, which is also sometimes referred to as The Navel of The Earth.  At its peak, this mine produced 10,000,000 carats of diamonds per year.  And you'll never guess where it is . . . 

      The Mir Mine






      Mir Mine Area on Map

      Matches up with the huge hole in the SU universe.  Plus, "Navel of the Earth?"  With Pink Diamond's gem location?  Very interesting stuff.


      Yes palanquin belong to BD, Don't you think she will be show again very soon and if diamonds were't make only on homeworld, it's very possible that she is responsible for this whole in Russia

      That's actually a great theory...


      But can we all agree that there HAS to be some sort of special flashback episode someday that explains everything? You can only fit so much in 11 minutes, let alone a 22 minute episode, and look how it turned out for Bismuth.


      I'm wondering if Steven could go into the room , and demand for answers someday and it'll play out the entire flashback. if it has that capability. It formed Beach City, so it should form the moments that led up to Rose shattering PD. 

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    • We DEFINITELY need a proper flash-back episode to confirm anything that was said during the war, as well as Pink Diamond's origins and her true agenda. 

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      We DEFINITELY need a proper flash-back episode to confirm anything that was said during the war, as well as Pink Diamond's origins and her true agenda. 

      Yeah

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    • Rose's Room has Deus Ex Machina written all over it. For example, if Steven were to simply ask, it could perfectly recreate Rose Quartz for him to interact with. The accuracy of the recreation varies on how well her room/Rose knows the person in question (which is why the recreation of Greg was able to fool Steven whereas the other people such as Lars were mere cardboard cut-outs) - and who could the room/Rose possibly know better than Rose herself?

      Might turn into something akin to Holodeck addiction in StarTrek: once Steven recreates his mom, he may not want to go back to reality.

      EDIT:

      ... or Pearl. Pearl would barricade the door and live in there with duplicate Rose forever.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote: Rose's Room has Deus Ex Machina written all over it. For example, if Steven were to simply ask, it could perfectly recreate Rose Quartz for him to interact with. The accuracy of the recreation varies on how well her room/Rose knows the person in question (which is why the recreation of Greg was able to fool Steven whereas the other people such as Lars were mere cardboard cut-outs) - and who could the room/Rose possibly know better than Rose herself?

      Might turn into something akin to Holodeck addiction in StarTrek: once Steven recreates his mom, he may not want to go back to reality.

      EDIT:

      ... or Pearl. Pearl would barricade the door and live in there with duplicate Rose forever.

      That sure is a deep thought

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      Rose's Room has Deus Ex Machina written all over it. For example, if Steven were to simply ask, it could perfectly recreate Rose Quartz for him to interact with. The accuracy of the recreation varies on how well her room/Rose knows the person in question (which is why the recreation of Greg was able to fool Steven whereas the other people such as Lars were mere cardboard cut-outs) - and who could the room/Rose possibly know better than Rose herself?

      Might turn into something akin to Holodeck addiction in StarTrek: once Steven recreates his mom, he may not want to go back to reality.

      EDIT:

      ... or Pearl. Pearl would barricade the door and live in there with duplicate Rose forever.

      My thinking was that the room reads the mind of the person making the request, i.e. Steven. I hadn't thought that the room had any particular storage of information, that is that it would have knowledge of Rose that Steven did not, (if Steven asked it to create Rose).

      You could be right, of course, it would be interesting to see what happens if Steven were to try this.

      Or, maybe, if the room can read minds, and if Rose is still in Steven's Gem, then it could read her mind directly and, voila, we have the real Steven communicating in real time with the real Rose.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:

      Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      Rose's Room has Deus Ex Machina written all over it. For example, if Steven were to simply ask, it could perfectly recreate Rose Quartz for him to interact with. The accuracy of the recreation varies on how well her room/Rose knows the person in question (which is why the recreation of Greg was able to fool Steven whereas the other people such as Lars were mere cardboard cut-outs) - and who could the room/Rose possibly know better than Rose herself?

      Might turn into something akin to Holodeck addiction in StarTrek: once Steven recreates his mom, he may not want to go back to reality.

      EDIT:

      ... or Pearl. Pearl would barricade the door and live in there with duplicate Rose forever.

      My thinking was that the room reads the mind of the person making the request, i.e. Steven. I hadn't thought that the room had any particular storage of information, that is that it would have knowledge of Rose that Steven did not, (if Steven asked it to create Rose).

      You could be right, of course, it would be interesting to see what happens if Steven were to try this.

      Or, maybe, if the room can read minds, and if Rose is still in Steven's Gem, then it could read her mind directly and, voila, we have the real Steven communicating in real time with the real Rose.

      Wow, really? A way for Steven to actually talk to her?

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    • Amethyst - Old Timey S2
      Amethystsfs

      Younger looking Amethyst.

      The few thousand year old Amethyst look like the same Amethyst in the present (But not with that old outfit from history).















      And the Amethyst from the 80's just looks way different. I mean, look at her body. The height of her body is way shorter. So is her hair. She was like a kid in that time.

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    • Amethyst wasn't shorter, she was the same height (And characters in this show barely have a fixed height)

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    • I am surprised to see so much people saying that's Blue Diamond's Palaquin. It is more logical that it was Pink Diamond's palaquin and that also may be the place she was shattered in.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Amethyst wasn't shorter, she was the same height (And characters in this show barely have a fixed height)


      They really just have a relative size to one another (i.e Amethyst will always be X Stevens in height ect).



      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      Rose's Room has Deus Ex Machina written all over it. For example, if Steven were to simply ask, it could perfectly recreate Rose Quartz for him to interact with. The accuracy of the recreation varies on how well her room/Rose knows the person in question (which is why the recreation of Greg was able to fool Steven whereas the other people such as Lars were mere cardboard cut-outs) - and who could the room/Rose possibly know better than Rose herself?

      Might turn into something akin to Holodeck addiction in StarTrek: once Steven recreates his mom, he may not want to go back to reality.

      EDIT:

      ... or Pearl. Pearl would barricade the door and live in there with duplicate Rose forever.

      My thinking was that the room reads the mind of the person making the request, i.e. Steven. I hadn't thought that the room had any particular storage of information, that is that it would have knowledge of Rose that Steven did not, (if Steven asked it to create Rose).

      You could be right, of course, it would be interesting to see what happens if Steven were to try this.

      Or, maybe, if the room can read minds, and if Rose is still in Steven's Gem, then it could read her mind directly and, voila, we have the real Steven communicating in real time with the real Rose.

      The problem with the mind-reading hypothesis is that then the room would've been able to recreate Sadie and Lars about as accurately as it did Greg. Y'know, since Steven knows them just as well as his father. It couldn't though, probably because Rose never met either one of them.

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    • Dascoolest wrote:
      I am surprised to see so much people saying that's Blue Diamond's Palaquin. It is more logical that it was Pink Diamond's palaquin and that also may be the place she was shattered in.

      Not really, why would PD need one? I mean come on, BD is the only diamond shown with one and no other diamond has one.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      The problem with the mind-reading hypothesis is that then the room would've been able to recreate Sadie and Lars about as accurately as it did Greg. Y'know, since Steven knows them just as well as his father. It couldn't though, probably because Rose never met either one of them.

      That is possible of course. I always put it down to the room having a limited capacity.

      So, if it is like the Holodeck, then Rose would have stored a "Greg" program, with his information, but not a Sadie and Lars. So the room would have had to read Steven's mind at some level to construct the whole of Beach City, even if superficially. Unless Rose had a simple Beach City place holder program.

      But Rose knew nothing about The Spirit Morph Saga (Unfamiliar Familiar), but the room was able to get the costumes correct for it. That seems to indicate some sort of ability to read Steven's mind, or something similar.

      I don't know, I think we expect too much. It's a cartoon, we shouldn't expect it to be entirely consistent.

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    • Or... maybe Rose is secretly the writer of Unfamiliar Familiar? Plot twist!

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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      Or... maybe Rose is secretly the writer of Unfamiliar Familiar? Plot twist!

      Yes, that occured to me too. But that can lead to a whole maze of conspiracy theory, where Rose is controlling, subtly, indirectly, all of human society. I didn't want to go there. My doctor says it is not healthy for me.

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    • Isn't Rose the president? She secretly controls the world, and no one knows the president is Rose Quartz, leader of the rebellions.

      Her and her pack of lions will one day take over this small world and then.. FIGHT BACK HOMEWORLD WITH HER LION GUYS!

      And then, where am I going with this.

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    • Dascoolest wrote:
      I am surprised to see so much people saying that's Blue Diamond's Palaquin. It is more logical that it was Pink Diamond's palaquin and that also may be the place she was shattered in.

      The drawing in the book matches BD's palanquin from Garnet's flashback.  For all we know the different diamonds could structure their organizations differently from each other.  YD could run hers like a military command structure, and BD more like a royal court.  The two certainly present their physical forms differently.  The way BD presents herself certainly fits with the use of a palanquin. 

      Anyway, from the look of Buddy's drawing it would seem BD had to evacuate the area more quickly than the palanquin was capable of traveling, and never had the chance to retreive it later.  Or perhaps the palanquin was damaged and had to be abandoned.  Makes me think of the battle of Manassas during the US Civil War, when local civilians turned up to watch what was supposed to be a sure Union victory and instead had to run for their lives when the Confederate troops routed Union army.  Also the governor of Rhode Island was in attendance and had two horses shot out from under him.  BD = gov. William Sprague?  ;)

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    • Oldasdirt wrote:
      Dascoolest wrote:
      I am surprised to see so much people saying that's Blue Diamond's Palaquin. It is more logical that it was Pink Diamond's palaquin and that also may be the place she was shattered in.
      The drawing in the book matches BD's palanquin from Garnet's flashback.  For all we know the different diamonds could structure their organizations differently from each other.  YD could run hers like a military command structure, and BD more like a royal court.  The two certainly present their physical forms differently.  The way BD presents herself certainly fits with the use of a palanquin. 

      Anyway, from the look of Buddy's drawing it would seem BD had to evacuate the area more quickly than the palanquin was capable of traveling, and never had the chance to retreive it later.  Or perhaps the palanquin was damaged and had to be abandoned.  Makes me think of the battle of Manassas during the US Civil War, when local civilians turned up to watch what was supposed to be a sure Union victory and instead had to run for their lives when the Confederate troops routed Union army.  Also the governor of Rhode Island was in attendance and had two horses shot out from under him.  BD = gov. William Sprague?  ;)

      Was he a stunt rider? It is really difficult to ride two horses. ;)

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      The problem with the mind-reading hypothesis is that then the room would've been able to recreate Sadie and Lars about as accurately as it did Greg. Y'know, since Steven knows them just as well as his father. It couldn't though, probably because Rose never met either one of them.
      That is possible of course. I always put it down to the room having a limited capacity.

      So, if it is like the Holodeck, then Rose would have stored a "Greg" program, with his information, but not a Sadie and Lars. So the room would have had to read Steven's mind at some level to construct the whole of Beach City, even if superficially. Unless Rose had a simple Beach City place holder program.

      But Rose knew nothing about The Spirit Morph Saga (Unfamiliar Familiar), but the room was able to get the costumes correct for it. That seems to indicate some sort of ability to read Steven's mind, or something similar.

      I don't know, I think we expect too much. It's a cartoon, we shouldn't expect it to be entirely consistent.


      Well, in "Rose's Room" the room has had no exposure to Steven. It only makes sense for it to draw from the memories and experiences it got from Rose when she was around, so when he asked it to recreate Beach City as Rose would've remembered it (Greg); only shallowly recreating how Steven currently knows it (Sade and Lars).

      As of "Open Book" Steven clearly has spent much more time in the room, and it has "absorbed" more from him (such as The Spirit Morph Saga and his true feelings for Connie) and can recreate accurate depictions of what he asks it from his mind.

      EDIT: As for the latter part... I must respectfully disagree. I have enormous faith in the Crewniverse and so far they have not failed me...! ^_^

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    • I do not know what you mean by "absorbed" unless you mean some sort of mind reading.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      I do not know what you mean by "absorbed" unless you mean some sort of mind reading.


      Pretty much. For example, if he asked for the room to recreate Sadie or Lars at this point the room could most likely create a pretty damn accurate depiction of either one.

      Just hope it "saved" all it got from Rose rather than overwrite it with Steven's... "data". Because then if he asked to meet his mom, the room would probably create a cardboard cut-out of her or something simplistic like that as he himself doesn't really know her that well.

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    • Peppa Pig wrote:
      LET THE THEORIES RUMBLE

      UM UM I BET LION USED TO BE BROWN

      HE WAS OMG
      Ghdfgh

      whaaa

      😂😂😂
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    • Migo.Jason wrote:

      Zzfunk wrote:

      So the Strawberry field was in Europe, all this time we have gone to Europe. I love seeing all of the Crystal Gems in olden clothes, I don't know why Amethyst dressed up like a Northern soldier but whatever, did she fight in the civil war.

      That was just steven and connies imagination

      No,She had that outfit in the painting.

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    • SUoveranalyzer wrote:

      Migo.Jason wrote:

      Zzfunk wrote:

      So the Strawberry field was in Europe, all this time we have gone to Europe. I love seeing all of the Crystal Gems in olden clothes, I don't know why Amethyst dressed up like a Northern soldier but whatever, did she fight in the civil war.

      That was just steven and connies imagination

      No,She had that outfit in the painting.

      Correct you are, my friend

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    • Dascoolest wrote: I am surprised to see so much people saying that's Blue Diamond's Palaquin. It is more logical that it was Pink Diamond's palaquin and that also may be the place she was shattered in.

      Pink didn't have one neither did anyone besides Blue.

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    • SUoveranalyzer wrote:

      Dascoolest wrote: I am surprised to see so much people saying that's Blue Diamond's Palaquin. It is more logical that it was Pink Diamond's palaquin and that also may be the place she was shattered in.

      Pink didn't have one neither did anyone besides Blue.

      To be honest, we don't know enough about Pink Diamond yet to say anything if the sort. We don't know if she did use one of those walking chairs or not and we can't say for sure

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    • RoseAndGems
      Why are the crystal gem's clothes in the imagination very close to their clothes in this picture?
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    • BALMBA wrote:
      RoseAndGems
      Why are the crystal gem's clothes in the imagination very close to their clothes in this picture?

      It's probably because Steven thought that that's what they wore since it fit with the time period

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      BALMBA wrote:
      RoseAndGems
      Why are the crystal gem's clothes in the imagination very close to their clothes in this picture?

      It's probably because Steven thought that that's what they wore since it fit with the time period

      Agreed

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      SUoveranalyzer wrote:

      Dascoolest wrote: I am surprised to see so much people saying that's Blue Diamond's Palaquin. It is more logical that it was Pink Diamond's palaquin and that also may be the place she was shattered in.

      Pink didn't have one neither did anyone besides Blue.

      To be honest, we don't know enough about Pink Diamond yet to say anything if the sort. We don't know if she did use one of those walking chairs or not and we can't say for sure

      It could be blue diamonds palanquin. Diamonds have different designs for their courts. Like BD is more regal whereas yd is more militaristic. The palanquin we saw fits in with bd.

      I have a theory that maybe PD assumed she didn't need protection because who would think of harming her? But after she got shattered bd brought the palanquin for protection. Like maybe PD is meant to be cool and graceful but imaginative.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      BALMBA wrote:
      RoseAndGems
      Why are the crystal gem's clothes in the imagination very close to their clothes in this picture?
      It's probably because Steven thought that that's what they wore since it fit with the time period


      I'm disappointed they imagined Rose Quartz with her modern clothes, though.

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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      BALMBA wrote:
      RoseAndGems
      Why are the crystal gem's clothes in the imagination very close to their clothes in this picture?
      It's probably because Steven thought that that's what they wore since it fit with the time period

      I'm disappointed they imagined Rose Quartz with her modern clothes, though.

      In the painting, the only difference is that she's wearing a jacket or tunic thing over her usual dress, much like how she wore her Mr. Universe shirt over her dress.  It's probably the same deal in this case.  I assume that she doesn't reform as often as the others, and when she does, she probably simply chooses to stick to that dress.

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    • Homura-chan wrote:

      Sarasvato wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      BALMBA wrote:
      RoseAndGems
      Why are the crystal gem's clothes in the imagination very close to their clothes in this picture?
      It's probably because Steven thought that that's what they wore since it fit with the time period

      I'm disappointed they imagined Rose Quartz with her modern clothes, though.

      In the painting, the only difference is that she's wearing a jacket or tunic thing over her usual dress, much like how she wore her Mr. Universe shirt over her dress.  It's probably the same deal in this case.  I assume that she doesn't reform as often as the others, and when she does, she probably simply chooses to stick to that dress.

      Yeah, since she's so powerful, she rarely ever has to reform

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    • Yeah, she's a quartz after all - they're all soldiers.  They seem to be able to take even more of a beating than the average Gem.  Even Peridot can get comically crushed by boulders more than once and not poof.

      Gems be stronk.

      Rose is . . . at least seven stronk.

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    • Homura-chan wrote:
      Yeah, she's a quartz after all - they're all soldiers.  They seem to be able to take even more of a beating than the average Gem.  Even Peridot can get comically crushed by boulders more than once and not poof.

      Gems be stronk.

      Rose is . . . at least seven stronk.

      But Peridot seems to be able to take much more damage than Amethyst without poofing. How does that work?

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    • Plot convenience, that's how

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    • Peridot's have an Mohs of 7 in real life right?

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    • Peridot is secrectly a gem\coyote hybrid.  Very tough combo.

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    • Thinking of a lore-friendly explanation, maybe Homeworld found it annoying to have their Kindergarenders getting poofed constantly in "workplace accidents" and started breeding them tougher...! Of course, then you have to swallow that Homeworld somehow didn't think that trait would be worth breeding into their Quartz Warriors, too - which is rather silly. 

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    • But Jasper's super durable so it might be that Amethyst's lower durability is either due to her smaller stature or it's just the poofs we have seen are done by those who are ridiculously strong.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote:

      Probably neither, frankly. Pink Diamond was a Gem Diamond like the rest, and Gems are really a despicable race of beings when you think about it.

      Pretty much all of Steven's friends are Gems as well, and some of them were probably at least involved in some pretty despicable things. (Rose and Pearl might have helped with what was being done to the Earth before they decided to stop it, Peridot was facilitating the Cluster experiments, and Lapis stole the ocean.) But they've shown there was more to them than that, and that they could change and contribute to the group.

      Don't forget that Pink Diamond was so uncompromising in her plan to kill all life on Earth in order to birth more Gems Earth that Rose had to shatter her to put a stop to it.

      So says roughly three unreliable witnesses.

      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Yoshimickster wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 
      Because maybe...Yellow Diamond is the last diamond alive, and kept it secret for THOUSANDS of years.
      WOW! That's a great conspiracy theory. I should have thought of that!

      Gotta nip this one in the bud here. Pink is the only Diamond that's been removed from the Diamond symbol. In the triple triangle symbol that we see on Peridot's ship, Blue, Yellow and White are all accounted for. And Peridot knows about and acknowledges Blue Diamond along with Yellow at the moon base. 

      Homura-chan's Earth's Navel theory.

      This theory is amazing and I love it so much.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      Thinking of a lore-friendly explanation, maybe Homeworld found it annoying to have their Kindergarenders getting poofed constantly in "workplace accidents" and started breeding them tougher...! Of course, then you have to swallow that Homeworld somehow didn't think that trait would be worth breeding into their Quartz Warriors, too - which is rather silly. 

      To be fair, Peridot is an era 2 Gem, created after the war, which means the quartz soldiers would all be era 1 Gems, since they were all made before/during the war.

      Amethyst may be poofed fairly easily because she uses her Gem's energy recklessly, which means she's not as tough as she would be otherwise.  We have seen that she'll take on unstable forms and summon multiple weapons at once, and Pearl has told her that her constant shape-shifting uses up too much energy as well.  Perhaps she uses up more than she should at once and it makes her form more prone to being poofed because her Gem is overworked.

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    • Fur Slippers wrote:

      Strong In The Real Way wrote:

      Probably neither, frankly. Pink Diamond was a Gem Diamond like the rest, and Gems are really a despicable race of beings when you think about it.

      Pretty much all of Steven's friends are Gems as well, and some of them were probably at least involved in some pretty despicable things. (Rose and Pearl might have helped with what was being done to the Earth before they decided to stop it, Peridot was facilitating the Cluster experiments, and Lapis stole the ocean.) But they've shown there was more to them than that, and that they could change and contribute to the group.

      Don't forget that Pink Diamond was so uncompromising in her plan to kill all life on Earth in order to birth more Gems Earth that Rose had to shatter her to put a stop to it.

      So says roughly three unreliable witnesses.


      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Yoshimickster wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 
      Because maybe...Yellow Diamond is the last diamond alive, and kept it secret for THOUSANDS of years.
      WOW! That's a great conspiracy theory. I should have thought of that!

      Gotta nip this one in the bud here. Pink is the only Diamond that's been removed from the Diamond symbol. In the triple triangle symbol that we see on Peridot's ship, Blue, Yellow and White are all accounted for. And Peridot knows about and acknowledges Blue Diamond along with Yellow at the moon base. 


      Homura-chan's Earth's Navel theory.

      This theory is amazing and I love it so much.

      Probably, but I ain't ruling anything out until Blue/White belt their glorious obviously Tony Award winning voices because COME ON!

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote: But Jasper's super durable so it might be that Amethyst's lower durability is either due to her smaller stature or it's just the poofs we have seen are done by those who are ridiculously strong.

      Amethyst's low durability is simply because she is defective. Jasper may be mean but she is right, Amethyst came out wrong. Jasper came out perfect.

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:

      Homura-chan wrote:
      Yeah, she's a quartz after all - they're all soldiers.  They seem to be able to take even more of a beating than the average Gem.  Even Peridot can get comically crushed by boulders more than once and not poof.

      Gems be stronk.

      Rose is . . . at least seven stronk.

      But Peridot seems to be able to take much more damage than Amethyst without poofing. How does that work?

      Amethyst is defective. Peridots are technicians they have to be prepared in case something goes wrong.

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      SUoveranalyzer wrote:

      Dascoolest wrote: I am surprised to see so much people saying that's Blue Diamond's Palaquin. It is more logical that it was Pink Diamond's palaquin and that also may be the place she was shattered in.

      Pink didn't have one neither did anyone besides Blue.

      To be honest, we don't know enough about Pink Diamond yet to say anything if the sort. We don't know if she did use one of those walking chairs or not and we can't say for sure

      But we know Each Diamond is different and that just by looking at them and Peridot's line about Yellow controlling all armies, Each one controls a different part of gem society, blue is culture and aristocracy and Yellow is tech and Military.

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote: Probably neither, frankly. Pink Diamond was a Gem Diamond like the rest, and Gems are really a despicable race of beings when you think about it.

      Will we be so different? Soon we will drain our planet of resources and need to colonize our neighbors and then our stellar neighbors and perhaps our galactic neighbors. Though eating planets like gems do? IDK.

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    • Homura-chan wrote:

      In the painting, the only difference is that she's wearing a jacket or tunic thing over her usual dress, much like how she wore her Mr. Universe shirt over her dress.  It's probably the same deal in this case.  I assume that she doesn't reform as often as the others, and when she does, she probably simply chooses to stick to that dress.

      But anyway, we're talking about Steven's and Connie's fantasy, they could have dressed Rose with anything, regardless of how often she can be poofed.

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    • The tandem bike killed me. Steven's imagination is a wondrous thing.

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    • You'd think that a rebellion leader woulden't want to change how she looked often because she needs to be an image, an Icon, we need to start thinking about rose in different ways. She was a very dynamic person.

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    • Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?

      Maybe the Unknown Fusion Gem might have been Sardonyx. Looking back at Pearl's hair in this episode, maybe Sardonyx had a long, powdery, yellow wig.

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    • Why Am I So Strange? wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?

      Maybe the Unknown Fusion Gem might have been Sardonyx. Looking back at Pearl's hair in this episode, maybe Sardonyx had a long, powdery, yellow wig.

      I think that's possible. Wish we could know for sure

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    • So... is Lion a regular lion that Rose turned magic, or is he some sort of Gem creature created to take the form of a lion (because Rose liked lions apparently)...

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote: So... is Lion a regular lion that Rose turned magic, or is he some sort of Gem creature created to take the form of a lion (because Rose liked lions apparently)...

      Still hard to figure out, but maybe the first one?

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    • Lion is a regular brown lion. Y'all just colorblind

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Lion is a regular brown lion. Y'all just colorblind

      He's not brown, he's greeen-adjust your TV!

      Anyone who gets that, gets a cookie.

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    • Hehehehe

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    • I think that Pink Diamond came to Earth, and was shattered here, hence the chair with the spider legs (I forget what it's called) that looks like Blue Diamond's from "The Answer" was there. 

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      So... is Lion a regular lion that Rose turned magic, or is he some sort of Gem creature created to take the form of a lion (because Rose liked lions apparently)...

      My current guess is Lion was a regular lion who was augmented with Gem magic.  I had assumed that was always the case, as I don't think they have many, if any, Earth creatures back on Homeworld.  Peridot didn't even know what a chicken was.  Plus since Gems don't need things like oxygen and water and so forth, there's a possibility Homeworld couldn't naturally sustain any Earth-life to begin with.

      They're aliens so who knows right?

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    • Don't discount the notion that the Crewniverse might be using Rose's lions as a red herring. 

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    • Lion 4: The Prequel

      Im calling it

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    • What's in the center of that Huge crater in Russia!!

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    • Maybe she fed him some of that goop from the Kindergarten injectors.

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    • Fur Slippers wrote: Don't discount the notion that the Crewniverse might be using Rose's lions as a red herring. 

      I would,they dont do that everything is for a reason

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    • MechaKingGhidorah789 wrote: I think that Pink Diamond came to Earth, and was shattered here, hence the chair with the spider legs (I forget what it's called) that looks like Blue Diamond's from "The Answer" was there. 

      No, only Blue diamond had one.

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    • Why Am I So Strange? wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?

      Maybe the Unknown Fusion Gem might have been Sardonyx. Looking back at Pearl's hair in this episode, maybe Sardonyx had a long, powdery, yellow wig.

      No, listen to her voice (or Jaimie's impression) it's calm, That's the one thing Sardonyx isn't. Then listen to Steven's description a quadruple noogie, 4 hands to hold the head, 4 to noogie. 8 hands, the temple fusion has 8. Case closed.

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Why Am I So Strange? wrote:

      Aepokk Venset wrote:
      So the Unknown Fusion Gem didn't include Rose, since Buddy didn't recognize her. By the outline, it obviously wasn't Sugilite or Sardonyx, so if it wasn't Opal.... It was a Ruby or Sapphire fusion? One of them with Opal or just Pearl?
      No,he did not recognize the gems from the fusion he recognized them from their messages to Dewey.
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    • Something I realized watching the episode was that the geographie betwen our world and Steven's,

      is different. For example Austrailia is conected to Asia.

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    • If half of rose went to Steven. What if the other half was in one of her lions? In this case, its steven's lion.

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    • BALMBA wrote:
      If half of rose went to Steven. What if the other half was in one of her lions? In this case, its steven's lion.


      Here we go again...

      100% of Rose is 50% of Steven. There is no possible way Lion is Rose.

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    • Dino0212 wrote:
      Something I realized watching the episode was that the geographie betwen our world and Steven's,

      is different. For example Austrailia is conected to Asia.

      On the map shown in "It Could've Been Great" there wasn't a connection.

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:
      Dino0212 wrote:
      Something I realized watching the episode was that the geographie betwen our world and Steven's,

      is different. For example Austrailia is conected to Asia.

      On the map shown in "It Could've Been Great" there wasn't a connection.

      Oops, I didn't look at the map correctly

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      BALMBA wrote:
      If half of rose went to Steven. What if the other half was in one of her lions? In this case, its steven's lion.

      Here we go again...

      100% of Rose is 50% of Steven. There is no possible way Lion is Rose.


      Right. That rock in Steven's abdomen? That is (or was) Rose Quartz. Everything else we've seen of Rose was just a projection from that gemstone, just as with all the other Gems.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:

      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Lion is a regular brown lion. Y'all just colorblind

      He's not brown, he's greeen-adjust your TV!

      Anyone who gets that, gets a cookie.

      Why are the smurfs blue?

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    • Ed486 wrote:

      Yoshimickster wrote:

      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Lion is a regular brown lion. Y'all just colorblind
      He's not brown, he's greeen-adjust your TV!

      Anyone who gets that, gets a cookie.

      Why are the smurfs blue?

      Cookie

       

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    • What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

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    • Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking

      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking

      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes

      Ok come on guys, how would you have handled it? I mean there was no other way

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking
      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes
      Ok come on guys, how would you have handled it? I mean there was no other way

      I'll admit there is a lot more to PD's death then meets the eye but let's face it she is dead Garnet said so and wouldn't lie to Steven so it must be the truth, if it wasn't then she would've said so, besides it was to free Pearl, so Garnet could be together, so Amethyst could be herself and not a soldier that gets looked down upon for being defective, it had to be done

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking
      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes
      Ok come on guys, how would you have handled it? I mean there was no other way

      I'll admit there is a lot more to PD's death then meets the eye but let's face it she is dead Garnet said so and wouldn't lie to Steven so it must be the truth, if it wasn't then she would've said so, besides it was to free Pearl, so Garnet could be together, so Amethyst could be herself and not a soldier that gets looked down upon for being defective, it had to be done

      Yes but one thing for sure, I definitely hope we get a flashback episode with Pink Diamond in it

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:


      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking
      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes
      Ok come on guys, how would you have handled it? I mean there was no other way
      I'll admit there is a lot more to PD's death then meets the eye but let's face it she is dead Garnet said so and wouldn't lie to Steven so it must be the truth, if it wasn't then she would've said so, besides it was to free Pearl, so Garnet could be together, so Amethyst could be herself and not a soldier that gets looked down upon for being defective, it had to be done
      Yes but one thing for sure, I definitely hope we get a flashback episode with Pink Diamond in it

      Yeah, same here I mean Pearl was visibly shaking when Eyeball said that Rose shattered PD, this might also shed some light on what inspired the breaking point

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:


      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking
      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes
      Ok come on guys, how would you have handled it? I mean there was no other way
      I'll admit there is a lot more to PD's death then meets the eye but let's face it she is dead Garnet said so and wouldn't lie to Steven so it must be the truth, if it wasn't then she would've said so, besides it was to free Pearl, so Garnet could be together, so Amethyst could be herself and not a soldier that gets looked down upon for being defective, it had to be done
      Yes but one thing for sure, I definitely hope we get a flashback episode with Pink Diamond in it

      Yeah, same here I mean Pearl was visibly shaking when Eyeball said that Rose shattered PD, this might also shed some light on what inspired the breaking point

      That's another thing, can't wait for Bismuth to return because the sooner she stops going wild about that the better. The Crystal Gems need all the help they can get and Bismuth would be so helpful

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    • Indeed

      Anyways, not a whole lot to discuss on the episode besides the palaquin, the lions, and how many episodes Connie has had in the last few weeks

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    • I definitely love Connie and how far she has gotten! Her episodes were totally awesome!

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    • And I hope those lions appearing means we'll learn more about Lion soon, very soon

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    • MizukageMoonstone wrote:
      I definitely love Connie and how far she has gotten! Her episodes were totally awesome!

      Yeah, that's why I think in the near future Steven and Connie will sing Here Comes a Thought

      As for the lions, I'm betting Rose bred them over a few hundred years and then came Lion who was a succesful gem/organic being hybrid 

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      MizukageMoonstone wrote:
      I definitely love Connie and how far she has gotten! Her episodes were totally awesome!

      Yeah, that's why I think in the near future Steven and Connie will sing Here Comes a Thought

      As for the lions, I'm betting Rose bred them over a few hundred years and then came Lion who was a succesful gem/organic being hybrid 

      Wow really? I definitely hope we hear that song soon!

      As for Lion, who knows? I have to admit, it sounds like an interesting idea

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking
      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes
      Ok come on guys, how would you have handled it? I mean there was no other way

      I'll admit there is a lot more to PD's death then meets the eye but let's face it she is dead Garnet said so and wouldn't lie to Steven so it must be the truth, if it wasn't then she would've said so, besides it was to free Pearl, so Garnet could be together, so Amethyst could be herself and not a soldier that gets looked down upon for being defective, it had to be done

      You might want to consider using a period every once and a while. And anyway, given Blue Diamond was on Earth and hauled ass when Pearl and Rose showed up, it's very possible The Answer takes place after Pink Diamond was supposedly shattered, which would mean Garnet couldn't have seen it for herself. And Rose was able to keep Bismuth and Lion from both her and Pearl anyway.

      SUoveranalyzer wrote:

      Fur Slippers wrote: Don't discount the notion that the Crewniverse might be using Rose's lions as a red herring. 

      I would,they dont do that everything is for a reason


      They're big on misdirection. The show was basically a magical girl show before we started getting hints about where the Gems were really from. There were a lot of hints but zero confirmation of Garnet's status as a fusion until Jailbreak. And since we'd met her, we'd assumed Jasper's Diamond was Yellow Diamond, but that turned out to be false. There's a lot of stuff we were lead to believe that turned out to not be true.

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    • Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking
      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes
      Ok come on guys, how would you have handled it? I mean there was no other way

      Really? The race of super intelligent holograms can't find a way to fake one of their deaths? NO way at all? Really?

      Its a cartoon, anything can happen.

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    • Guys, I was mainly joking, I just wanted to bring this conversation away from the stupid chair belonging to PD.

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    • Hmmmm

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    • Deltalus wrote:
      Guys, I was mainly joking, I just wanted to bring this conversation away from the stupid chair belonging to PD.

      Oh that, well that was obviously Blue Diamonds' like NO doubt.

      Well...SOME doubt, they might've all had similar chairs back then, I wasn't there.

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    • Homura-chan wrote:

      Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      So... is Lion a regular lion that Rose turned magic, or is he some sort of Gem creature created to take the form of a lion (because Rose liked lions apparently)...

      My current guess is Lion was a regular lion who was augmented with Gem magic.  I had assumed that was always the case, as I don't think they have many, if any, Earth creatures back on Homeworld.  Peridot didn't even know what a chicken was.  Plus since Gems don't need things like oxygen and water and so forth, there's a possibility Homeworld couldn't naturally sustain any Earth-life to begin with.

      They're aliens so who knows right?


      I mean, he COULD be a Gem creature using something akin to their shapeshifting to permanently look like a lion. Except pink.

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    • I'm still hoping Lion is Steven's secret brother, that's not so much a theory and more that I just want them to say "Universe brothers" at least once, because that would be rad. 

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    • Fur Slippers wrote:

      Strong In The Real Way wrote:

      Probably neither, frankly. Pink Diamond was a Gem Diamond like the rest, and Gems are really a despicable race of beings when you think about it.

      Pretty much all of Steven's friends are Gems as well, and some of them were probably at least involved in some pretty despicable things. (Rose and Pearl might have helped with what was being done to the Earth before they decided to stop it, Peridot was facilitating the Cluster experiments, and Lapis stole the ocean.) But they've shown there was more to them than that, and that they could change and contribute to the group.

      Don't forget that Pink Diamond was so uncompromising in her plan to kill all life on Earth in order to birth more Gems Earth that Rose had to shatter her to put a stop to it.

      So says roughly three unreliable witnesses.


      Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      Yoshimickster wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Why's the old Palaquin still here? Why would Blue Diamond leave it? She couldn't have poofed or shattered because Peridot knew about her and as we saw with Pink Diamond they will hide the fact that a Diamond had been defeated by deleting all information on them...why is this signifigant? 
      Because maybe...Yellow Diamond is the last diamond alive, and kept it secret for THOUSANDS of years.
      WOW! That's a great conspiracy theory. I should have thought of that!

      Gotta nip this one in the bud here. Pink is the only Diamond that's been removed from the Diamond symbol. In the triple triangle symbol that we see on Peridot's ship, Blue, Yellow and White are all accounted for. And Peridot knows about and acknowledges Blue Diamond along with Yellow at the moon base. 


      Homura-chan's Earth's Navel theory.

      This theory is amazing and I love it so much.

      I imagine, if WD is the eldest diamond and YD and BD are newer, then WD might pass daily tasks to YD and BD and take an "extended vacation." She's the Buddha of Diamond Authority. She goes off on long meditation excursions and only steps in when she feels like it.  It would make sense then for no one to question where she went, as it was common of her to disappear for extensive periods of time.  

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    • Strong In The Real Way wrote:

      Homura-chan wrote:

      Strong In The Real Way wrote:
      So... is Lion a regular lion that Rose turned magic, or is he some sort of Gem creature created to take the form of a lion (because Rose liked lions apparently)...
      My current guess is Lion was a regular lion who was augmented with Gem magic.  I had assumed that was always the case, as I don't think they have many, if any, Earth creatures back on Homeworld.  Peridot didn't even know what a chicken was.  Plus since Gems don't need things like oxygen and water and so forth, there's a possibility Homeworld couldn't naturally sustain any Earth-life to begin with.

      They're aliens so who knows right?

      I mean, he COULD be a Gem creature using something akin to their shapeshifting to permanently look like a lion. Except pink.

      Here's an interesting idea. What happens if diamonds are unique in that they can survive having their gem shattered? It just weakens them instead. If Lion really is PD, then this explains why he doesn't have a gemstone. It also explains why we always see Lion napping. He doesn't have a gemstone to properly control his energy expenditure. 

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    • I wonder if us viewers were meant to focus on the fact that a single trip captained by Dewey was so disastrous that the Crystal Gems had to get involved more than once, but Buddy on his own was able to travel the world with so little incident they didn't bother showing it to us.

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    • So does that mean William Dewey is a bad leader?

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    • If Rose had a pack of lions, does this mean she has some sort of animal empathy that allows for her to communicate/understand them?

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    • Fur Slippers wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:

      Mediawatcher wrote:

      Deltalus wrote: What if Rose and PD conspired and faked her death?

      You've got to be joking
      Yep...this is gonna be the new theory for who knows how many episodes
      Ok come on guys, how would you have handled it? I mean there was no other way

      I'll admit there is a lot more to PD's death then meets the eye but let's face it she is dead Garnet said so and wouldn't lie to Steven so it must be the truth, if it wasn't then she would've said so, besides it was to free Pearl, so Garnet could be together, so Amethyst could be herself and not a soldier that gets looked down upon for being defective, it had to be done

      You might want to consider using a period every once and a while. And anyway, given Blue Diamond was on Earth and hauled ass when Pearl and Rose showed up, it's very possible The Answer takes place after Pink Diamond was supposedly shattered, which would mean Garnet couldn't have seen it for herself. And Rose was able to keep Bismuth and Lion from both her and Pearl anyway.

      SUoveranalyzer wrote:

      Fur Slippers wrote: Don't discount the notion that the Crewniverse might be using Rose's lions as a red herring. 

      I would,they dont do that everything is for a reason


      They're big on misdirection. The show was basically a magical girl show before we started getting hints about where the Gems were really from. There were a lot of hints but zero confirmation of Garnet's status as a fusion until Jailbreak. And since we'd met her, we'd assumed Jasper's Diamond was Yellow Diamond, but that turned out to be false. There's a lot of stuff we were lead to believe that turned out to not be true.

      None of this is misdirection. The hints are done for reason. Jasper didn't call Yellow her diamond, a clue.

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    • Yeah, Steven Universe is full of foreshadowing, going back to the very first episode. The only instance of actual misdirection I can think of is Steven's "not as corrupt as we think" theory from Gem Hunt, which was even part of the episode's marketting, all to mask Jasper's presence in the episode.

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