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    • Wow Navy just become like Eyeball

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    • GGGGAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY

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    • Damn Navy savage though.

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    • NAVY

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    • Ruby's face at the end was scary, excuse me while I change my pjs...I knew she was lying!

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    • OMG, Navy! What a little psycho! To be honest, I did think it was suspicious that she seemed happy about everything and that she seemed so quick to forgive them.

      And Lapis went from jelly to vindicated!

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    • WELP


      THAT HAPPENED

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Ruby's face at the end was scary, excuse me while I change my pjs...I knew she was lying!

      She is like Eyeball, I hope to see her again so Steven can shatter her. 

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    • It was obvious when Navy said, "The other Rubies were mean to me." That was scary just her face...

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    • I can't believe that Navy is evil! And what I really hate about it is that she revealed it the the cutest way possible!

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    • "The only problem, is that you are still holding on..."

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    • Garnet's height was way off.

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    • Lapis: I trusted you! We trusted you! We gave you everything and you treated us like dirt!

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    • To the W to the A to the T I say WAT

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    • I knew in advance sort of but...man that was scary!

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      It was obvious when Navy said, "The other Rubies were mean to me." That was scary just her face...

      This was obvious a lie because in past episodes, The other rubies were not mean at her. 

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    • I just wanted her to be a perfect little cinnamon roll! WHY NAVYYY

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    • Amberisafossil wrote:
      I can't believe that Navy is evil! And what I really hate about it is that she revealed it the the cutest way possible!


      She's not evil. They threw them into the void of space and left them drift for months. Now she can save her team ang get revenge! Go Ruby Squad!

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    • NUUU! I actually loved Navy and thought she was adorable! I also thought that she would make living at the Barn more fun and light-hearted for the series! But no, she had to be a traitor! WHYYY :,(

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    • It was a "WHAT THE HOLY WHAT?!" episode.

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      It was obvious when Navy said, "The other Rubies were mean to me." That was scary just her face...
      This was obvious a lie because in past episodes, The other rubies were not mean at her. 

      Ikr! Navy...we'll get you

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    • I'm just wondering if she's picking up the rest of the Rubies, then making it back to Homeworld. Then what? They tell everyone that there are still Gems on Earth? Oooh...

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    • Where's my heat lamp?! I need to put Navy's gemstone somewhere

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    • I went into this episode pretty excited, and while it wasn't a terrible episode, I came out of it pretty disappointed. I feel like the outcome wasn't really treated seriously enough. Like, Navy had always been the friendliest out of the Rubies, so I feel like her turning out to be such a bad person was treated like way more of a joke than it should have been, especially regarding Lapis' reaction; if Lapis had a hard time trusting people before, surely this should add to that in some way, but she didn't act any different than before. I'm still glad we got to see the Rubies again, though. I hope more of them turn up at some point.

      (As a side note, a lot of the recent Lapis-related episodes didn't seem to handle her character very well, imo. Why is it that every time she's with Peridot, her characterization seems reduced to me...? That particular trait was less present in this episode, but I still don't think the writing for her was very good at the end.)

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    • I was so mad when Navy betrayed them, as Navy was my second favorite Ruby.

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    • I'm surprised that Lapis didn't ocean grab her instead of laughing.

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    • Remember, "bad" and "evil" is subjective. Homeworld Gems are doing what they believe is their duty.

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    • Thought I can now trust Navy! But, she's a clever dirty liar one and still one of the savage Ruby Squads. 😖😑😠

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    • Hopefully Navy returns one day, maybe she'll come to Earth with the other Rubies with her.

      Also, prepare for fans to hate Lapis even more in 3.....2.....1.......(explosion) I hate fandoms sometimes.

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    • Yotsu8a wrote: I went into this episode pretty excited, and while it wasn't a terrible episode, I came out of it pretty disappointed. I feel like the outcome wasn't really treated seriously enough. Like, Navy had always been the friendliest out of the Rubies, so I feel like her turning out to be such a bad person was treated like way more of a joke than it should have been, especially regarding Lapis' reaction; if Lapis had a hard time trusting people before, surely this should add to that in some way, but she didn't act any different than before. I'm still glad we got to see the Rubies again, though. I hope more of them turn up at some point.

      (As a side note, a lot of the recent Lapis-related episodes didn't seem to handle her character very well, imo. Why is it that every time she's with Peridot, her characterization seems reduced to me...? That particular trait was less present in this episode, but I still don't think the writing for her was very good at the end.)

      I agree so much! It's like you read my mind, but I didn't bother to write a constructive criticism comment about how i feel on the ep. cuz i was lazy lol.

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    • Guys...Homeworld will now hear that the CGs are alive...

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Guys...Homeworld will now hear that the CGs are alive...

      Your right! This can only mean that pretty soon we'll see some giant arms in the sky.

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    • Even though I made her from the beginning...damn, she mean. Steven was right, she could've easily just stolen it in a hot minute.

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    • And will come here quicker. The Crystal Gems can't fight by homeworld.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Guys...Homeworld will now hear that the CGs are alive...

      The Homeworld know that the CGs are still alive because Agate told the diamonds.  

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:

      The Homeworld know that the CGs are still alive because Agate told the diamonds.  

      Nnnnnnnnnno, the Amethysts are blackmailing her because it would show her incompetence. 

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    • This is one of those times when the heroes suffer a setback, and they deserved it. This is what you get for playing around with your enemies and not taking them seriously, Steven named them for pete's sake, they are not pets, so good for Navy, maybe Steven, Garnet, and the others learned a lesson. I am not mad at Navy, I am mad at our heroes especially Garnet for letting it come to this, this is not a game, and this is what you get.

      On the bright side, Lapis you are awesome, you are the only character that wasn't a complete idiot in this episode. Lapis just being jealous, it reminds me of Katara in that waterbending scroll episode. And while everyone don't seem to care they lost the ship, Lapis is actually happy.

      But the big news, it is pretty much the Lapidot, and I know the real reason Lapis did not another roommate, she did not want a third wheel.

      Anyway good episode, at least if our heroes learn something from this. And Garnet you need to work on that future vision.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:

      The Homeworld know that the CGs are still alive because Agate told the diamonds.  

      Nnnnnnnnnno, the Amethysts are blackmailing her because it would show her incompetence. 

      The Amethysts have nothing on Holly. If the Diamonds ever found out what happened, they'd be in far worse trouble than Holly since they much pretty abbetted the rebels' escape. Holly could very easily, and righfully so, pin the blame all on them.

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    • Episodes has still not appeared online, please someone upload it for the good of humanity, I've been waiting an hour already.

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    • We do not support illegal streaming, so please stop asking.

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    • Hhggtg3279 wrote:
      Episodes has still not appeared online, please someone upload it for the good of humanity, I've been waiting an hour already.

      It has for the site I go to.

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    • Now do ya understand, not all naval Gems are gonna be nice. It was so obvious with how Navy was talking but...she was so sweet earlier...

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    • They rescheduled the episode... smh 
      Keystone Motel 265
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    • I still think Steven was acting out of character and like a psychopath in Back to the Moon.
      Back to the Moon 250
      He and Sardonyx are the bad guys in this story. Ruby is the heroine.
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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Now do ya understand, not all naval Gems are gonna be nice. It was so obvious with how Navy was talking but...she was so sweet earlier...

      1) Navy was pretend to be nice.

      2) Navy is a LIAR! 

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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      I still think Steven was acting out of character and like a psychopath in Back to the Moon.
      Back to the Moon 250
      He and Sardonyx are the bad guys in this story. Ruby is the heroine.

      No. 

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    • At least in future episodes Navy, and the other Rubies, might be given, by the Crewniverse(4th wall break), redemption arcs. Still, does this episode's end credits include a new update on the new ending theme that's been going on since Mindful Education, Gem Harvest and That Will Be All?

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    • IN retrospect she was a great double agent and...Steven/Garnet should've seen this coming. Stop trying to make friends with everyone and REMEMBER YOU'RE AT WAR!

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    • Turn of events
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    • I knew it! IIIIIIIII knew it! I knew there was going to be a betrayal in this episode somewhere! HA! 

      (Geez, I almost sounded like Lapis in the end there.)

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    • Legognocchi101 wrote:
      I knew it! IIIIIIIII knew it! I knew there was going to be a betrayal in this episode somewhere! HA! 

      (Geez, I almost sounded like Lapis in the end there.)

      YEAH-so did I, saaaaaaaaaw it coming.

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      • As indicated by her "Welcome to the Party" balloon, Garnet saw at least one future where Navy stayed on Earth.

      Oh boy she was wrong.

      Her future vision is away wrong now for some reason. 

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    • This episode was pretty decent, I Kind of knew from the beginning Navy was planning something, but now Navy has the ship back presumably she will find a retrieve the rest of her squad and head back to Homeworld, which is not good news as know Homeworld are going to know about the crystal gems still being active and all the stuff that's happened, I can see a Homeworld invasion with the diamonds involved imminent.

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    • WELP.


      THAT WAS SOMETHING.

      I knew it was too good to be true. Loved Lapis in this episode though. We got to see how she really felt. I also still feel like Lapis actually declares herself as a Crystal Gem now. I mean, it may be far-fetched, but...

      "The Crystal Gems finally have a pilot!"

      She didn't exactly disagree.

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    • I mean a body don't get stranded in space Jojo style without formulating a revenge plan on your enemies.

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    • Well she's no longer a cinnamon bun... she's a SINnamon bun.




      I'll let myself out...

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    • I told you guys...I told you something would happen...now I need to go get some chloroform, a leash, and a Roaming Eye. I'll be back in a few days with a new power source for my heat lamp.

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    • I am beginning to wonder if Navy is at least as old as Eyeball and was around for the rebellion.  She knew all the right attitudes to take and things to say from the very start, like she already knew what the CGs are all about.  Of course she could have learned about the rebellion and the from a veteran like Eyeball or some other gem.  Either way, she knew exactly what to do and was quite clever.  It also adds an extra layer to Garnet's line at the end of Hit the Diamond, perhaps the writers gave us a clue we were overlooking.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      I told you guys...I told you something would happen...now I need to go get some chloroform, a leash, and a Roaming Eye. I'll be back in a few days with a new power source for my heat lamp.

      You just cracked me up! HA HA HAAAA!!!!

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    • Very Easily Predictable Episode. (V.E.P.E)

      Also steven needs to know every villain is lemons..

      quite a few mediocre episodes lately IMO. This episode had some potential but just from the fact that the ruby fell from the sky immediately started asking to stay with barely understandable context, and that the next episode is called lion 4, it was a dead giveaway that whichever ruby would be in this episode, would be trouble, and if trying to stay, leave immediately >_>

      Steven's level of gullibility and friendless is too high he should get checked out lol. He totes deserved that at the end.

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    • Emerald916 wrote:
      Well she's no longer a cinnamon bun... she's a SINnamon bun.




      I'll let myself out...

      Good one.

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    • Hhggtg3279 wrote:
      This episode was pretty decent, I Kind of knew from the beginning Navy was planning something, but now Navy has the ship back presumably she will find a retrieve the rest of her squad and head back to Homeworld, which is not good news as know Homeworld are going to know about the crystal gems still being active and all the stuff that's happened, I can see a Homeworld invasion with the diamonds involved imminent.

      That seems likely. But what about Jasper?

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    • Garnet could've warned Steven about the possible outcome of Navy betraying him..

      I mean, Garnet does have future vision.

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    • Ok have we all calmed down after witnessing Navy's nightmare face? ...wait oh no Steven's gonna get kidnapped and taken to the Zoo because that's the only way we can get there now!

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    • Another one of those fans wrote:
      Garnet could've warned Steven about the possible outcome of Navy betraying him..

      I mean, Garnet does have future vision.

      Nah, that'd go against the first rule of Future Vision:


      "Only say or see something that contributes to the plot"

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    • Hhggtg3279 wrote:
      This episode was pretty decent, I Kind of knew from the beginning Navy was planning something, but now Navy has the ship back presumably she will find a retrieve the rest of her squad and head back to Homeworld, which is not good news as know Homeworld are going to know about the crystal gems still being active and all the stuff that's happened, I can see a Homeworld invasion with the diamonds involved imminent.

      That will be true because Peridot and Lapis teach Navy more about Earth. 

      Navy will tell them about Earth.

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    • They should have poof Navy when they had the chance like the old saying goes better safe  tha
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      n sorry. 
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    • Y'know despite everything I still like Navy, sure she scares me but I still like her. Especially because of how she betrayed the team, one little accident has unraveled all those years of hiding.

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    • Turn of events

      ;_;

      Its hard to -sniff- accept but- -Cries- I DONT WANT NAVY TO BE A VILLAN!
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    • Well, The lesson here is NEVER TRUSTS THE RUBIES SQUAD! I don't care if they cute! They will backstab them NO matters what.

      Antagonists sure love to manipulate Steven's kindness! Steven boy! You need to stop trusted them!

      Anyway, Lapis was right about Navy. Why would a Homeworld Gem be so use of earth? Crystal Gems didn't social with Humans until Steven help them.

      I knew this episode would be going to more storyline driven since Navy betrayed Steven and others and likely to rescue other Rubies Squad. This episode was 20th episode and next episode, Lion 4: Alternate Ending will be 21st episode of this season. 4 more episode to go until we get to Season 5

      I will see you in next 2 weeks for Lion 4: Alternate Ending! Will Lion'a Origin be revealed?

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    • DylanheBuilder wrote:
      Turn of events

      ;_;

      Its hard to -sniff- accept but- -Cries- I DONT WANT NAVY TO BE A VILLAN!

      Yeah but she's gonna get the entire famethyst to us in a roundabout way once she reports to the Diamonds

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    • Is it too soon to share this?

      Perfection in one image
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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Is it too soon to share this?
      Perfection in one image

      This new meme is very good 10/10

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    • i think i might change my name and pic to be a navy... roleplayer..?

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      DylanheBuilder wrote:
      Turn of events

      ;_;

      Its hard to -sniff- accept but- -Cries- I DONT WANT NAVY TO BE A VILLAN!
      Yeah but she's gonna get the entire famethyst to us in a roundabout way once she reports to the Diamonds

      Luckily the famethyst are redeemable since they find the lost Amethyst and they were happy about it. 

      I know they will switch side and ignore Navy. 

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      DylanheBuilder wrote:
      Turn of events

      ;_;

      Its hard to -sniff- accept but- -Cries- I DONT WANT NAVY TO BE A VILLAN!
      Yeah but she's gonna get the entire famethyst to us in a roundabout way once she reports to the Diamonds
      Luckily the famethyst are redeemable since they find the lost Amethyst and they were happy about it. 

      I know they will switch side and ignore Navy. 

      Of course they'll ignore Navy, her only role in this is telling the Diamonds. Besides pretty sure most if not all of the famethyst switched sides the moment Amethyst appeared.

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    • DylanheBuilder wrote:
      i think i might change my name and pic to be a navy... roleplayer..?

      Or should i be a gemsona? idk its getting off topic im gonna decide later. you can reply lets just try to get not off topic.

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    • Since Navy is a little psychopath does that mean Leggy is gonna turn out to secretly be a genius?

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    • Malachite diamond wrote:
      Since Navy is a little psychopath does that mean Leggy is gonna turn out to secretly be a genius?

      No, she'll be dumb psychopath

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    • Malachite diamond wrote:
      Since Navy is a little psychopath does that mean Leggy is gonna turn out to secretly be a genius?

      I hope not, at least not a psycho

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    • On one hand, Navy was the most cheerful and nicest of the Ruby Squad, and if any of them would join the Crystal Gems, it'd be her.

      Though when I heard she was coming back I had to wonder if it was just an act, especially after what happened with Eyeball.

      Looks like my suspicions were too true :(

      The real kicker is her line about tricking them so she could see the looks on their faces. Underneath that sugary sweet exterior is a sadistic mind! O_O

      Still, at least we got some bonus Lapis focus and the development. Plus, she kind of had a point. Navy seemed waaaayyyy to happy and eager for it to be true, even her previous appearances kind of supported it.

      It's a given she'll use the Roaming Eye ship to pick up the rest of the Ruby Sqaud. Now the question is if they'll come back to pester the CGs for a while, or go straight to the Diamonds... 

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    • Eyeball is a psychopath.

      Navy is a liar. 

      So what Leggy, Army and Doc going to be like? 

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    • This is a meme
      This will happen!
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    • DylanheBuilder wrote:
      This is a meme
      This will happen!

      That won't happened because YD won't believe her that easy. 

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    • I wonder how that conversation is gonna go

      Navy: My Diamond, I have a report for you. I have confirmed that the Crystal Gems are alive. Also, Rose Quartz seemed...different, she was a really small human.

      Yellow Diamond: You're off schedule but at least I know where to start taking humans. That will be all!

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    • It seems like all Gems with navel gemstone are all sweet and innocent, but they have a dark side. Rose murdered Pink Diamond and it seems like she used Steven just to run away. Navy maniacally laughed as she betrayed everyone.

      And indeed, while Navy can get her squad to tell YD, she still won't belive them that easy. She will wan't proof, which will cause the Rubies to come back.

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    • Maybe the Diamonds are the only ones who know how smart Rubies are, of course there's only one way to find out

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    • I hate to admit it but the episode actually revolves around the "Jerkass Has a Point" trope, because let's face it, why on the actual hell would you be friends with the same rebels who not only steal your ship but also send you to float around in space separated from your friends for just god knows how long, despite being sad it you see it from Navy's POV this was obviously going to happen, to only good thing about this is that at the end is the Ruby Squad returns to Homeworld no one is going to believe because just like the show has teach us, Rubies are the lowest caste known and for Yellow Diamond it will be for her another dumb excuse from a bunch of incompetent Rubies. 

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    • Let's start with the good things.

      The things I like
      • Lapis' character seemed more focused in this episode which made sense since there was some actual focus on her. Sort of sad, but it's good if it stays more consistent like this.
      • I like how the group was so gullible to what Steven said. If they think about the possible consequences of letting Navy go (like reporting to the Diamonds maybe), maybe they might be a little doubtful in their trust even with Steven's convincing. It might spark some interesting conflict if it is played well. I'm yet to think of some ideas myself.
      • The animation is infinitely better than in Tiger Philanthropist.
      The things I don't like.
      • Navy's voice. Nuff said.
      • lapis' laugh at the end. Is it actually hard to make a laugh without it sounding forced and even when it sounds forced, as weak as this? It shouldn't be considering laughs like this and this (my personal fav evil laugh) exist.
      • When Navy spoke for the first time, I had already guessed correctly that she was actually tricking the Crystal Gems and guessed correctly what the message of the episode was likely to be (in dotpoint 2 in my "good things" above). The only form of execution worth note would be Navy's disturbing look. Otherwise, I was just staring at Navy acting like a paraphilic for eight minutes.
      • The gullibility of the group if there is no conflict in the future about it. Just because the show downplays its villains to get the protagonist to achieve unlikely possibilities, it does not mean there has to be a switcharoo to compensate for the antagonists as well. There needs to be some form of realism here. This is almost as bad as the beginning of Soundtrack Attack.

      That's it from me.

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    • Cheeseskates wrote:
      Let's start with the good things.
      The things I like
      • Lapis' character seemed more focused in this episode which made sense since there was some actual focus on her. Sort of sad, but it's good if it stays more consistent like this.
      • I like how the group was so gullible to what Steven said. If they think about the possible consequences of letting Navy go (like reporting to the Diamonds maybe), maybe they might be a little doubtful in their trust even with Steven's convincing. It might spark some interesting conflict if it is played well. I'm yet to think of some ideas myself.
      • The animation is infinitely better than in Tiger Philanthropist.
      The things I don't like.
      • Navy's voice. Nuff said.
      • lapis' laugh at the end. Is it actually hard to make a laugh without it sounding forced and even when it sounds forced, as weak as this? It shouldn't be considering laughs like this and this (my personal fav evil laugh) exist.
      • When Navy spoke for the first time, I had already guessed correctly that she was actually tricking the Crystal Gems and guessed correctly what the message of the episode was likely to be (in dotpoint 2 in my "good things" above). The only form of execution worth note would be Navy's disturbing look. Otherwise, I was just staring at Navy acting like a paraphilic for eight minutes.
      • The gullibility of the group if there is no conflict in the future about it. Just because the show downplays its villains to get the protagonist to achieve unlikely possibilities, it does not mean there has to be a switcharoo to compensate for the antagonists as well. There needs to be some form of realism here. This is almost as bad as the beginning of Soundtrack Attack.

      That's it from me.

      They should have poof Navy when they had the chance like the old saying goes better safe than sorry.

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    • I knew she couldn't be trusted, no Gem wants to betray their own kind that easily. But the worst part is that the Rubies now have their ship back. Once Navy grabs the rest of her team, they'll go back to Homeworld and tell Yellow Diamond everything. Especially the fact that Rose Quartz is "alive".

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      It seems like all Gems with navel gemstone are all sweet and innocent, but they have a dark side. Rose murdered Pink Diamond and it seems like she used Steven just to run away. Navy maniacally laughed as she betrayed everyone.

      And indeed, while Navy can get her squad to tell YD, she still won't belive them that easy. She will wan't proof, which will cause the Rubies to come back.

      The darkside could be because quartzes and rubies are war-gems. A navel peridot might not have the dark side to her.

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    • Plasmapunch101 wrote

      They should have poof Navy when they had the chance like the old saying goes better safe than sorry.

      Not really a great option. Could've done the Peridot method.

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    • And this is why stereotypes should not exist. A Navy could easily take advantage of them and royally mess you up.

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    • So is this the prelude to or beginning of another Homeworld arc?

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    • Without a doubt...

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    • Cheeseskates wrote:
      Plasmapunch101 wrote

      They should have poof Navy when they had the chance like the old saying goes better safe than sorry.

      Not really a great option. Could've done the Peridot method.

      But still tho  

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    • Hated this episode, I expected Navy's betrayal, but the Roaming Eye now feels like a deus ex machina for the Out of this World arc and not an asset for the crystal gems like it should have in my opinion, now it's gone.

      I'll only be satisfied if...

      1. She picks up the other rubies and returns to earth to attack the crystal gems, resulting in them being poofed and bubbled (with the exception of maybe Leggy, she's still a young gem and maybe they can convince her to join the crystal gems) and the crystal gems reclaim the roaming eye.

      2. She abandons her teammates in space and becomes a rouge entity, a villain for another episode.

      I will not accept her going back to Homeworld and getting the diamonds involved, the show is not ready for that arc, but I also don't want the ruby squad dissapearing for a million episodes either!

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    • Son of Nemesis34 wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      It seems like all Gems with navel gemstone are all sweet and innocent, but they have a dark side. Rose murdered Pink Diamond and it seems like she used Steven just to run away. Navy maniacally laughed as she betrayed everyone.

      And indeed, while Navy can get her squad to tell YD, she still won't belive them that easy. She will wan't proof, which will cause the Rubies to come back.

      The darkside could be because quartzes and rubies are war-gems. A navel peridot might not have the dark side to her.

      Peridots work a lot with technollogy. Its very possible that most of the machines Homeworld make can end up with terrible failures. A Navel Peridot could have the dark side of purposely killing someone and putting as "accident" or something.

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    • I don't get it, was Navy actually angry deep inside this whole time when she couldn't able to do an angry face?

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    • This shows Rubies can be intelligent but this probably can be more of their one track minds and if they want to get something they will get it.

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    • Nachida Raache wrote:
      I don't get it, was Navy actually angry deep inside this whole time when she couldn't able to do an angry face?

      She kind of launched at Steven on the beggining of the ep, but quickly washed it off.

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    • Kirbymon wrote: Hated this episode, I expected Navy's betrayal, but the Roaming Eye now feels like a deus ex machina for the Out of this World arc and not an asset for the crystal gems like it should have in my opinion, now it's gone.

      I'll only be satisfied if...

      1. She picks up the other rubies and returns to earth to attack the crystal gems, resulting in them being poofed and bubbled (with the exception of maybe Leggy, she's still a young gem and maybe they can convince her to join the crystal gems) and the crystal gems reclaim the roaming eye.

      2. She abandons her teammates in space and becomes a rouge entity, a villain for another episode.

      I will not accept her going back to Homeworld and getting the diamonds involved, the show is not ready for that arc, but I also don't want the ruby squad dissapearing for a million episodes either!

      Same. Only six episodes of this season left. We might see the Rubies in a two part finale or two part intro. Obviously at this point, the Diamonds won't appear again until Season 5.

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    • That is awesome episode! It's nice seeing Navy again. Wow, her and the other Ruby Squad members got into a fight? I think it's just Eyeball, Doc, and Army who fought with her because Leggy doesn't seem like the type to get into a fight, also, she's a brand new gem, she's like a baby, she doesn't know any better yet, she wouldn't get into a fight. Also, I think this further proves my theory about Eyeball Doc, Army, and Navy having a sisterly bond and being like sisters. Siblings fight sometimes. And I like how they taught her about Earth! And Lapis likes to sleep just like Amethyst, I bet her and Ame bonded off screen in Gem Harvest. Also, sleeping Navy is cute! I want to draw sleeping gems now! Then, it's later revealed that Navy just wanted the Roaming Eye. Who knew Navy can pilot! I didn't know think Navy can pilot, I thought Doc was the only Ruby Squad member who can do so, I mean, she like most pilot gems, like Peridot, have a visor.

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      I think the visor signifies these gems' positions as a Pilot Gem because they need it to protect their eyes from light, dust, and space particles while they're piloting the gem ship (they've shown in Back to the Moon that like humans, bright light can hurt a gem's eyes, so, the visor protects the Pilot Gems from that and other things so they won't hurt their eyes while piloting a gem ship). So, I think Doc's visor tells us that she's an offical Pilot Gem (almost like getting a license or something but she has proof she can't pull out of her pockets, if she has some, it's on her face, her visor) and it lead me to believe she's the only pilot in the Ruby Squad but after seeing Navy pilot the Roaming Eye looks like I was wrong. I'm guessing either Navy got special training and didn't get her visor like Doc or Doc taught her or something, like how siblings can teach each other things they are interested in and what they learned. Maybe, Doc did it as a little bonding exercise with Navy when they were young gems or something, like "Ooo, I'm learning how to fly gem ships, Ruby might like that!" or something like that and taught her on their leisure time.

      It also makes me wonder if Doc and Navy swap to give the latter a break, Doc probably gets exhausted at some point and needs rest so Navy takes over while Doc rests or have one tend to Leggy when Eyeball can't, Leggy's like a baby, I bet she can't fully take care of herself so, she needs help with some things. But, they're flying the ship and Eyeball's busy or something, maybe Navy temporarily pilots for Doc while she tends to Leggy's needs. They probably do that every now and then. That's very interesting!

      Now, back to Room for Ruby, then, Navy kicks them out of the ship. And flies off. It's nice seeing Lapis happy again even though she knew Navy was tricking them this whole time. Lol at Garnet's "Welcome to the Party" and "Sorry for your Loss" balloons.

      Also, Navy is like pre-redemption Peridot at the end of Room for Ruby, she did a cute evil laugh and tricked them just how pre-redemption Peridot would do it, minus the violence.

      Kind of similar!

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      She is just like pre-redemption Peridot! Also, Navy is the smartest of the Ruby Squad, she was crafting this plan the whole time!

      And I love how she said "Your favorite little Ruby!" (I sometimes call the Ruby Squad "Little Rubies"), that is cute!

      I also think Navy had good intentions all along, she wants to save the rest of Ruby Squad, her "family". The Ruby Squad is like Navy's family, Eyeball, Doc, and Army are like her big sisters and Leggy's like her little baby niece. Also, if your family was in great danger you would want to save them, especially if you have an infant family member, whether if it's your sibling, cousin, niece, nephew, grandson, or granddaugher. An infant is vulnerable, it won't handle the situation as well as a child, teen, and adult, so, you would be worried for the baby and wonder if it will survive the situation. Even though Navy didn't express it, I think she felt that way deep down inside, she knows her "big sisters" and "baby niece" are in danger and she is the one to save them. Guys, even though Navy did that, she's sweet and caring, she has a heart and loves her "family" just like how we love our families.

      I think Navy will save the rest of the Ruby Squad and bring them back to Earth with her and they'll get redeemed. Even though Navy did what she did, I still think she's redeemable, she's no worse than Peridot, she did something similar to what pre-redemption Peridot would've done. I also think all the Ruby Squad is redeemable, Doc, Army, and Navy I'd say are on the same level as Peridot redemption-wise while Eyeball would be a little harder ane Leggy would be easy since she's a brand new gem and is like a baby and babies are easy to influence because they're still learning about life and the world around them. Also, Leggy's mind is still developing like a baby's. I think Navy will come back with the Ruby Squad either in an episode close to the season finale or in the season finale and they'll get redeemed, with their redeemed lasting 8-12 episodes long with it starting either at the end of season 4 or at the beginning of season 5. After their redemption, they'll live at the barn with Lapis and Peridot.

      Overall, I really enjoyed this episode and it is nice seeing Navy again even though she's evil and a wolf in sheep's clothing. I also think she'll come back to Earth once she saves the rest of the Ruby Squad and they'll get redeemed.

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    • This is the best episode ever.

      I like Navy even more because I like creepy characters.

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    • I wonder if there is going to be any consequence or  repercussion for letting go navy

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    • Hopefully this will teach Steven to be more on his guard when meeting a Gem who wants to stay on Earth. Not because he literally has a shield, but just to be more on the ball when a Gem suddenly wants to live on Earth and forget Homeworld. I don't want Steven to be an edgelord, but just to be more aware. Garnet kind of told him this in Message Recieved, how not everybody deserves his patience. I kind of agree with what Garnet said in that episode, but only when they immediately meet a new Gem. So yes, Steven still should be kind, but just more on the ball. I do wonder if the Navy or even the others if she finds them, will tell Homeworld of the Crystal Gems...

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    • I honestly don't know how I feel about the ending. Navy was so cute and so lovable and had me smiling throughout the whole episode, and wanted her to be a crystal gem so much, and then that happens.

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    • I knew she was gonna betray them.

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    • Lol they got Ruby-Rolled 0^:

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    • Any news on the ending theme?

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    • As I commented: Rightful payback, good job, Navy.

      Steven rattled off what they did to the squad, so of course the CMs would get their comeuppance.

      Navy and Leggy are (of course) the favs due to their 'seeming' naivety. Navy has moved up as my favs for the squad; she's sweet but she gets things done.

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    • Can't bring myself to finish watching the episode. This troop infuriates me and I hate when it's pulled in shows.

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    • Goldensunsheba wrote:
      Can't bring myself to finish watching the episode. This troop infuriates me and I hate when it's pulled in shows.


      What trope are you talking about?

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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      Goldensunsheba wrote:
      Can't bring myself to finish watching the episode. This troop infuriates me and I hate when it's pulled in shows.

      What trope are you talking about?


      Lair revealed Trope.

      It's so common in media now. I was super excited to see that they didn't do this with Peridot. I was shaking watching that episode as I had not seen anything on it and was thrilled to see Peridot wasn't going to rat out the CG but try and convince her Diamond to spare the planet... That's what I was hoping for all along.

      At this point now...We just have Naive Steven and a prentending Ruby. The whole first part made me angry since Lapis was getting upset as well. This episode was bad...and frustrating to the point were I had to turn it off before the end. I'm so tired of good vs evil, I was hoping that Steven Universe was a new take but what was the point of showing homeworld's suffering, just let them all be shattered and don't think about how the evil people feel who cares.

      I just got super depressed after watching this episode. That's my take...I think I need a break...

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    • I think that the last episode of the 4th season will be a fight between Homeworld Gems and The Crystal Gems, because the diamonds will find out from Ruby (Navy) that The Crystal Gems are alive. … Sorry for the mistakes from this comment …

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    • Goldensunsheba wrote:

      I just got super depressed after watching this episode. That's my take...I think I need a break...

      Well, maybe consider my take: Ruby is the smart heroine infiltrating the ennemy base to take back her ship and save her team. The Crystal Gems did horrible things to them and they are the vilains in this story. I feel good after this episode because she's doing the right thing, even against our (usually) good guys ;)

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    • Grabbergirl wrote:
      That is awesome episode! It's nice seeing Navy again. Wow, her and the other Ruby Squad members got into a fight? I think it's just Eyeball, Doc, and Army who fought with her because Leggy doesn't seem like the type to get into a fight, also, she's a brand new gem, she's like a baby, she doesn't know any better yet, she wouldn't get into a fight. Also, I think this further proves my theory about Eyeball Doc, Army, and Navy having a sisterly bond and being like sisters. Siblings fight sometimes. And I like how they taught her about Earth! And Lapis likes to sleep just like Amethyst, I bet her and Ame bonded off screen in Gem Harvest. Also, sleeping Navy is cute! I want to draw sleeping gems now! Then, it's later revealed that Navy just wanted the Roaming Eye. Who knew Navy can pilot! I didn't know think Navy can pilot, I thought Doc was the only Ruby Squad member who can do so, I mean, she like most pilot gems, like Peridot, have a visor.
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      I think the visor signifies these gems' positions as a Pilot Gem because they need it to protect their eyes from light, dust, and space particles while they're piloting the gem ship (they've shown in Back to the Moon that like humans, bright light can hurt a gem's eyes, so, the visor protects the Pilot Gems from that and other things so they won't hurt their eyes while piloting a gem ship). So, I think Doc's visor tells us that she's an offical Pilot Gem (almost like getting a license or something but she has proof she can't pull out of her pockets, if she has some, it's on her face, her visor) and it lead me to believe she's the only pilot in the Ruby Squad but after seeing Navy pilot the Roaming Eye looks like I was wrong. I'm guessing either Navy got special training and didn't get her visor like Doc or Doc taught her or something, like how siblings can teach each other things they are interested in and what they learned. Maybe, Doc did it as a little bonding exercise with Navy when they were young gems or something, like "Ooo, I'm learning how to fly gem ships, Ruby might like that!" or something like that and taught her on their leisure time.

      It also makes me wonder if Doc and Navy swap to give the latter a break, Doc probably gets exhausted at some point and needs rest so Navy takes over while Doc rests or have one tend to Leggy when Eyeball can't, Leggy's like a baby, I bet she can't fully take care of herself so, she needs help with some things. But, they're flying the ship and Eyeball's busy or something, maybe Navy temporarily pilots for Doc while she tends to Leggy's needs. They probably do that every now and then. That's very interesting!

      Now, back to Room for Ruby, then, Navy kicks them out of the ship. And flies off. It's nice seeing Lapis happy again even though she knew Navy was tricking them this whole time. Lol at Garnet's "Welcome to the Party" and "Sorry for your Loss" balloons.

      Also, Navy is like pre-redemption Peridot at the end of Room for Ruby, she did a cute evil laugh and tricked them just how pre-redemption Peridot would do it, minus the violence.

      Kind of similar!

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      She is just like pre-redemption Peridot! Also, Navy is the smartest of the Ruby Squad, she was crafting this plan the whole time!

      And I love how she said "Your favorite little Ruby!" (I sometimes call the Ruby Squad "Little Rubies"), that is cute!

      I also think Navy had good intentions all along, she wants to save the rest of Ruby Squad, her "family". The Ruby Squad is like Navy's family, Eyeball, Doc, and Army are like her big sisters and Leggy's like her little baby niece. Also, if your family was in great danger you would want to save them, especially if you have an infant family member, whether if it's your sibling, cousin, niece, nephew, grandson, or granddaugher. An infant is vulnerable, it won't handle the situation as well as a child, teen, and adult, so, you would be worried for the baby and wonder if it will survive the situation. Even though Navy didn't express it, I think she felt that way deep down inside, she knows her "big sisters" and "baby niece" are in danger and she is the one to save them. Guys, even though Navy did that, she's sweet and caring, she has a heart and loves her "family" just like how we love our families.

      I think Navy will save the rest of the Ruby Squad and bring them back to Earth with her and they'll get redeemed. Even though Navy did what she did, I still think she's redeemable, she's no worse than Peridot, she did something similar to what pre-redemption Peridot would've done. I also think all the Ruby Squad is redeemable, Doc, Army, and Navy I'd say are on the same level as Peridot redemption-wise while Eyeball would be a little harder ane Leggy would be easy since she's a brand new gem and is like a baby and babies are easy to influence because they're still learning about life and the world around them. Also, Leggy's mind is still developing like a baby's. I think Navy will come back with the Ruby Squad either in an episode close to the season finale or in the season finale and they'll get redeemed, with their redeemed lasting 8-12 episodes long with it starting either at the end of season 4 or at the beginning of season 5. After their redemption, they'll live at the barn with Lapis and Peridot.

      Overall, I really enjoyed this episode and it is nice seeing Navy again even though she's evil and a wolf in sheep's clothing. I also think she'll come back to Earth once she saves the rest of the Ruby Squad and they'll get redeemed.

      Interesting theory. I am definitely going to be investing a bit into this one. It is very plausible.

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    • Did Steven learn nothing? Lapis went back to home world after Steven healed her. Eye Ball tried to kill him. Peridot tried to kill him when she first saw himn and later betrayed the CG by calling YD. I really though Steven would know by now not to trust other people blindly. Isn't this show about Steven growing up?

      And Navy has always been this naive and friendly, even before she was ploting something.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      Did Steven learn nothing? Lapis went back to home world after Steven healed her. Eye Ball tried to kill him. Peridot tried to kill him when she first saw himn and later betrayed the CG by calling YD. I really though Steven would know by now not to trust other people blindly. Isn't this show about Steven growing up?

      And Navy has always been this naive and friendly, even before she was ploting something.

      Haven't you ever heard of redemption arcs? Everyone could hope for Jasper to not be the ONLY one to get an arc like that, but the Ruby Squad could as well.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Is it too soon to share this?
      Perfection in one image
      Turn of events

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    • Hmm, I found it kind of boring. It felt predictable from the very start that Navy would just steal the ship and fly off. However, there are a few options now. The two most noticable being:

      1. Navy goes back to earth with the ruby squad and either gets redeemed / or tries to fight the crystal gems and something else happens.

      2. Navy goes directly to the diamonds with the rest of the squad. While I don't know if the diamonds would listen to something as small as a ruby. If they do, something big is going to go down.

      We'll just have to wait and see.

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    • I really wanted Navy to be redeemed and a main character. Before I watched the episode, my sister watched a clip of it and said one of the rubies were going to be redeemed and I hoped it was Eyeball. I'm guessing every ruby have their own episode. Although, I wish they'd be redeemed, especially Eyeball!

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    • 818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      Did Steven learn nothing? Lapis went back to home world after Steven healed her. Eye Ball tried to kill him. Peridot tried to kill him when she first saw himn and later betrayed the CG by calling YD. I really though Steven would know by now not to trust other people blindly. Isn't this show about Steven growing up?

      And Navy has always been this naive and friendly, even before she was ploting something.

      Haven't you ever heard of redemption arcs? Everyone could hope for Jasper to not be the ONLY one to get an arc like that, but the Ruby Squad could as well.

      There is trusting people and then there is allowing someone who just switched to your team to to stear his space ship, which is the only working space ship you have. And most redemption arcs include Steven almost getting killed.

      Navy might be the most evil Gem in the entire series. YD belives in something and Eye ball had a pretty good reason to hate Steven and space probaly made him go mad. Navy deprives pleasure from hurting other people and is a total sociopath. I don't think giving Navy a redemption arc makes any sense, but I gues they will do it anyway.

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      1. JasperRedemptionArc
      1. NavyRedemptionArc
      1. EyeballRedemptionArc
      1. FrogThatAteButterflyInTheAnswerRedemptionArc

      Lets be real guys. Not all villains are getting redempted.

      Some people were made to be evil.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      Did Steven learn nothing? Lapis went back to home world after Steven healed her. Eye Ball tried to kill him. Peridot tried to kill him when she first saw himn and later betrayed the CG by calling YD. I really though Steven would know by now not to trust other people blindly. Isn't this show about Steven growing up?

      And Navy has always been this naive and friendly, even before she was ploting something.

      Haven't you ever heard of redemption arcs? Everyone could hope for Jasper to not be the ONLY one to get an arc like that, but the Ruby Squad could as well.
      There is trusting people and then there is allowing someone who just switched to your team to to stear his space ship, which is the only working space ship you have. And most redemption arcs include Steven almost getting killed.

      Navy might be the most evil Gem in the entire series. YD belives in something and Eye ball had a pretty good reason to hate Steven and space probaly made him go mad. Navy deprives pleasure from hurting other people and is a total sociopath. I don't think giving Navy a redemption arc makes any sense, but I gues they will do it anyway.

      Why everyone forgot about Agate.

      Agate said she going to tell the diamonds about the CG. 

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      Did Steven learn nothing? Lapis went back to home world after Steven healed her. Eye Ball tried to kill him. Peridot tried to kill him when she first saw himn and later betrayed the CG by calling YD. I really though Steven would know by now not to trust other people blindly. Isn't this show about Steven growing up?

      And Navy has always been this naive and friendly, even before she was ploting something.

      Haven't you ever heard of redemption arcs? Everyone could hope for Jasper to not be the ONLY one to get an arc like that, but the Ruby Squad could as well.
      There is trusting people and then there is allowing someone who just switched to your team to to stear his space ship, which is the only working space ship you have. And most redemption arcs include Steven almost getting killed.

      Navy might be the most evil Gem in the entire series. YD belives in something and Eye ball had a pretty good reason to hate Steven and space probaly made him go mad. Navy deprives pleasure from hurting other people and is a total sociopath. I don't think giving Navy a redemption arc makes any sense, but I gues they will do it anyway.

      Well, as for the last thing you wrote. What would you do if you were first tricked into playing a game, then have someone impose your commander tricking you thinking it's her, then kick you into space, then stealing your stuff, leaving you there. Imagine you, as an immortal being, floating endlessly in an empty void, with no hope on ever getting your stuff back. The thieves don't come resque you. Would you be mad? I'd be mad. I'd totally get revenge on these guys. Tricking them into them thinking you want to stay on earth, like they tricked you into believing they were just humans. I don't see the whole "sociopath" thing in there.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      #JasperRedemptionArc
      1. NavyRedemptionArc
      1. EyeballRedemptionArc
      1. FrogThatAteButterflyInTheAnswerRedemptionArc

      Lets be real guys. Not all villains are getting redempted.

      Some people were made to be evil.

      They CAN be altered by the heroes. Gain a new perspective.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:

      #FrogThatAteButterflyInTheAnswerRedemptionArc


      Ah, yes, my favorite Cartoon villain

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    • 818260 wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      #JasperRedemptionArc
      1. NavyRedemptionArc
      1. EyeballRedemptionArc
      1. FrogThatAteButterflyInTheAnswerRedemptionArc

      Lets be real guys. Not all villains are getting redempted.

      Some people were made to be evil.

      They CAN be altered by the heroes. Gain a new perspective.

      Leggy  can indeed by redempted as she can be influenced easily since she's a baby.

      But Jasper and the rest of the Ruby Squad just can't. They are too loyal to the Diamonds and if they know that the Cluster exists, they are never going to stay on Earth.

      Plus, if all villains get redempted, SU will turn into MLP.

      I actually already had the above sentence in my head but I waited for a fitting moment to write it.

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    • One difference would be that they'd have more development then coughDiscord,Starlight,Trixiecough

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    • how could you navy? (╥﹏╥)

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    • I was kinda hopinh for a new Crystal Gem, but I guess it'd be indeed too rushed if Navy was fine with everything so fast. Also, this way allows her to collect all the other Rubies and maybe even inform the Diamonds about Crystal Gems. So this way is a potential for way more action in the future.

      Peridot and Lapis were great as always.

      But I can't help but wonder how convenient is that Navy landed right at the Beach City. Did she see Steven from space and knew where to fall or what?

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    • I wonder where this puts the rest of The Ruby Squad. Especially Leggy. We know she was made one day before Hit The Diamond, so I guess she could be good. I don't know about Doc or Army.

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    • I wonder if the two shooting starts on the start of the episode were actually Doc and Army...

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    • TheMysteryFanboy wrote:
      how could you navy? (╥﹏╥)

      She learned from the bests

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    • Well things never get better at the most doesn't it. Though even though she's betrayed us, I don't think it was on purpose. Because remeber she said "[She'll] be better if {she} left, if only I can find the ship" or something like that and got the idea to betray them.

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    • Alanoliva wrote:
      Well things never get better at the most doesn't it. Though even though she's betrayed us, I don't think it was on purpose. Because remeber she said "[She'll] be better if {she} left, if only I can find the ship" or something like that and got the idea to betray them.

      She was lying the whole time, remember how she said the other Rubies were mean to her? In all of her appearences the Rubies had been nice to her

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Alanoliva wrote:
      Well things never get better at the most doesn't it. Though even though she's betrayed us, I don't think it was on purpose. Because remeber she said "[She'll] be better if {she} left, if only I can find the ship" or something like that and got the idea to betray them.
      She was lying the whole time, remember how she said the other Rubies were mean to her? In all of her appearences the Rubies had been nice to her

      Yet, Steven was too stupid to believe her. 

      Also Navy hates Earth.

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    • I think this was one of the worst episodes by far. They could've easily avoided everything that had happened. I knew Navy was gonna betray them because it was so obvious yet Garnet, Steven, Peridot and Lapis did nothing to prevent it.

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    • It's pretty sad when I have to force myself to put episodes like this on par which such crap like Rocknaldo and Future Boy Zoltron, but I honestly didn't like this episode and as soon as it was over I instantly wanted the previous 11 minutes of my life back.

      Truthfully, this probably is my own fault since I had to see the episode on YouTube and right before it went up I accidently saw the title for a video called "Navy's Betrayal". So knowing the twist made the episode feel tedious on top of all suspense and shock being gone. That said, had I liked the episode it probably would've been a case of it only succeeding once and not again in repeat viewings making it unlikely that I'd revisit it.

      On top of that, Navy refusing redemption feels like a rehash of when Eyeball (and to a lesser extent, Jasper) did it. The fact that it was Navy as the one who betrays them this time around also came across as forced on top of being rehashed. Had they done this exact same plot with either Doc or Army, I would've bought it more even if it'd still be a complete rehash.

      The ending also further sullied my already sour mood towards the episode. They simply gloss over what happened for the sake of a cheap joke of Lapis gloating similar to the ending of the SVTFOE episode Trickstar...

      The biggest shame with this episode is that it actually could've been better. I would have the episode be roughly 95% the same except that it ends with Navy being Reformed, but Rejected (which I don't believe has happened on this show yet). That way, you can still have her stealing back her squad's ship but just that the motive and build-up to her stealing it are different now.

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    • Was i just troll by a Rubie."I want to see your face".

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    • Whenever someone says "This is the worst episode by far" I am reminded of "rising tides crashing skies" and "historical friction". No there have been far worse episodes. I think this was a more like a lesson to Steven that he should not automatically trust any gem that comes over as nice or friendly at first and seemingly loves everything. So it was more of a character development episode. As soon as the naval ruby mentioned the ship I automatically knew what was going to happen. However I have to say I am just waiting for the next actual threat to appear.

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    • Well the next actual threat should come let's see...any episode now!

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well the next actual threat should come let's see...any episode now!

      Hopefully. Its been a while since the Gems have actually been in a fight.

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    • Steven Schwarz wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well the next actual threat should come let's see...any episode now!
      Hopefully. Its been a while since the Gems have actually been in a fight.

      Well there must be a reason for the one week break, I think they might be getting ready for another Steven Bomb. I know we just had one but when you consider how close the other bombs were to each other...

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Steven Schwarz wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well the next actual threat should come let's see...any episode now!
      Hopefully. Its been a while since the Gems have actually been in a fight.
      Well there must be a reason for the one week break, I think they might be getting ready for another Steven Bomb. I know we just had one but when you consider how close the other bombs were to each other...

      Nah, SU just change airdate again. 

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      I don't get it, was Navy actually angry deep inside this whole time when she couldn't able to do an angry face?
      She kind of launched at Steven on the beggining of the ep, but quickly washed it off.

      I don't get what you're saying?

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    • Nachida Raache wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      I don't get it, was Navy actually angry deep inside this whole time when she couldn't able to do an angry face?
      She kind of launched at Steven on the beggining of the ep, but quickly washed it off.
      I don't get what you're saying?

      Just because someone can't do an angry face doesn't mean they aren't angry. Some are scary good at hiding their emotions.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      I don't get it, was Navy actually angry deep inside this whole time when she couldn't able to do an angry face?
      She kind of launched at Steven on the beggining of the ep, but quickly washed it off.
      I don't get what you're saying?
      Just because someone can't do an angry face doesn't mean they aren't angry. Some are scary good at hiding their emotions.

      So Navy was angry this whole time? I guess she learned how to trick them from Steven huh!

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    • Nachida Raache wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      I don't get it, was Navy actually angry deep inside this whole time when she couldn't able to do an angry face?
      She kind of launched at Steven on the beggining of the ep, but quickly washed it off.
      I don't get what you're saying?
      Just because someone can't do an angry face doesn't mean they aren't angry. Some are scary good at hiding their emotions.
      So Navy was angry this whole time? I guess she learned how to trick them from Steven huh!

      Yes she was angry. I think she always knew how to lie though.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      I don't get it, was Navy actually angry deep inside this whole time when she couldn't able to do an angry face?
      She kind of launched at Steven on the beggining of the ep, but quickly washed it off.
      I don't get what you're saying?
      Just because someone can't do an angry face doesn't mean they aren't angry. Some are scary good at hiding their emotions.
      So Navy was angry this whole time? I guess she learned how to trick them from Steven huh!
      Yes she was angry. I think she always knew how to lie though.

      Didn't know on the whole lying part since she seemed dumb to begin with!

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Nachida Raache wrote:
      I don't get it, was Navy actually angry deep inside this whole time when she couldn't able to do an angry face?
      She kind of launched at Steven on the beggining of the ep, but quickly washed it off.
      I don't get what you're saying?
      Just because someone can't do an angry face doesn't mean they aren't angry. Some are scary good at hiding their emotions.
      So Navy was angry this whole time? I guess she learned how to trick them from Steven huh!
      Yes she was angry. I think she always knew how to lie though.

      Navy is a very good liar. 

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Alanoliva wrote:
      Well things never get better at the most doesn't it. Though even though she's betrayed us, I don't think it was on purpose. Because remeber she said "[She'll] be better if {she} left, if only I can find the ship" or something like that and got the idea to betray them.
      She was lying the whole time, remember how she said the other Rubies were mean to her? In all of her appearences the Rubies had been nice to her
      Yet, Steven was too stupid to believe her. 

      Also Navy hates Earth.

      She called it lovely when she first visited. Remember "Hit the Diamond"? There might be Rebecca Sugar interviews going on right now.

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    • 818260 wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Alanoliva wrote:
      Well things never get better at the most doesn't it. Though even though she's betrayed us, I don't think it was on purpose. Because remeber she said "[She'll] be better if {she} left, if only I can find the ship" or something like that and got the idea to betray them.
      She was lying the whole time, remember how she said the other Rubies were mean to her? In all of her appearences the Rubies had been nice to her
      Yet, Steven was too stupid to believe her. 

      Also Navy hates Earth.

      She called it lovely when she first visited. Remember "Hit the Diamond"? There might be Rebecca Sugar interviews going on right now.

      And then she cursed it along with the other Rubies in Back to the Moon.

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    • ShadowGenerations101 wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Alanoliva wrote:
      Well things never get better at the most doesn't it. Though even though she's betrayed us, I don't think it was on purpose. Because remeber she said "[She'll] be better if {she} left, if only I can find the ship" or something like that and got the idea to betray them.
      She was lying the whole time, remember how she said the other Rubies were mean to her? In all of her appearences the Rubies had been nice to her
      Yet, Steven was too stupid to believe her. 

      Also Navy hates Earth.

      She called it lovely when she first visited. Remember "Hit the Diamond"? There might be Rebecca Sugar interviews going on right now.
      And then she cursed it along with the other Rubies in Back to the Moon.

      They're going to crashland in different places, either outside of North America. Like Latin America, Russia, Asia, Oceania, Africa, Europe, the Middle East, you get the idea. All in a different location than Beach City, or each in different places. They might learn about the different ideologies of the different humans of the different regions. Ideologies like communism or fascism existing in SU is a story for another time.

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    • They pulled a bismuth in this episode

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    • Like what's the point of giving Rose Quartzes plant powers if Pink Diamond didn't think those powers would be useful thousands of years in the future? Once you colonize a planet and hollow it out, it's been said that all life dies, that's why the crystal gems EXIST in the first place, to protect life on Earth. Why give your gems plant powers if you didn't mean for them to be on a planet with plant life, in other words, a non-colonized planet? Or at least non-colonized by homeworld standards? That kind of supports the theory that pink diamond supported the rebellion.

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    • And in addition, we've observed that Earth-made gems tend to be more human and possess more human-like qualities, but like...... What if that was on purpose? What if Pink Diamond intended all along for her gems to live on Earth and coexist with the natural life? What if the Zoo is even just a ruse to make the other diamonds believe that Pink was on their side all along????

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    • Plasmapunch101 wrote:
      Like what's the point of giving Rose Quartzes plant powers if Pink Diamond didn't think those powers would be useful thousands of years in the future? Once you colonize a planet and hollow it out, it's been said that all life dies, that's why the crystal gems EXIST in the first place, to protect life on Earth. Why give your gems plant powers if you didn't mean for them to be on a planet with plant life, in other words, a non-colonized planet? Or at least non-colonized by homeworld standards? That kind of supports the theory that pink diamond supported the rebellion.

      Plenty of Gems have unusual abilities that don't make a lot of sense given their roles and probably were never even intended to have. A Sapphire's role, for example, is to see into the future to provide advice and guidance. What's the point in them having ice powers?

      Also, the earth belonged to Pink Diamond, so it stands to reason that she had complete authority to colonize the planet in any way she saw fit. If she chose to colonize it in way that supported Rose's views, then the rebellion would've had no reason to exist.

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    • Plasmapunch101 wrote:
      Like what's the point of giving Rose Quartzes plant powers if Pink Diamond didn't think those powers would be useful thousands of years in the future? Once you colonize a planet and hollow it out, it's been said that all life dies, that's why the crystal gems EXIST in the first place, to protect life on Earth. Why give your gems plant powers if you didn't mean for them to be on a planet with plant life, in other words, a non-colonized planet? Or at least non-colonized by homeworld standards? That kind of supports the theory that pink diamond supported the rebellion.

      Whats the point of making Lapises if only a few planets have water?

      We will never know. The Diamonds problably get boring when making Gems.

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    • I feel like I'm the only one who felt absolute GLEE at Navy betraying the CGs. 

      Like, the Rubies were left in space to float and the CGs didn't go back for them for AT LEAST a week and just let Navy fall to Earth (when Amethyst got cracked from falling off a cliff). I feel like this was well deserved! I also love that Navy was revealed to be SMART, she took the oppertunity and rolled with it. And man, I'm glad Steven learned a lesson, not to trust every cute little face he sees. Also, she most likely will save the other rubies, and I love that she took initative! It just felt great to see that.

      Sad to see so many people disliked the episode just because "cute lil baby Navy betrayed theeemmm waaaa'. I, for one am glad Navy didn't get redeemed, and she is now my favorite Ruby!

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    • Peridotrobot wrote:
      I feel like I'm the only one who felt absolute GLEE at Navy betraying the CGs.

      You are not alone ♥

      Sarasvato wrote:

      Ruby is the smart heroine infiltrating the enemy base to take back her ship and save her team. The Crystal Gems did horrible things to them and they are the vilains in this story. I feel good after this episode because she's doing the right thing, even against our (usually) good guys ;)

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    • Peridotrobot wrote:

      Like, the Rubies were left in space to float and the CGs didn't go back for them for AT LEAST a week

      Actually, in Rocknaldo itself 3 weeks passed in one episode.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:

      818260 wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      #JasperRedemptionArc
      1. NavyRedemptionArc
      1. EyeballRedemptionArc
      1. FrogThatAteButterflyInTheAnswerRedemptionArc

      Lets be real guys. Not all villains are getting redempted.

      Some people were made to be evil.

      They CAN be altered by the heroes. Gain a new perspective.

      Leggy  can indeed by redempted as she can be influenced easily since she's a baby.

      But Jasper and the rest of the Ruby Squad just can't. They are too loyal to the Diamonds and if they know that the Cluster exists, they are never going to stay on Earth.

      Plus, if all villains get redempted, SU will turn into MLP.

      I actually already had the above sentence in my head but I waited for a fitting moment to write it.

      Idk about Jasper. I know she hates the CG's but I heard that she might have not been respected in YD's court and I'm not sure if Jasper is considered a villain.

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    • Yotsu8a wrote: Navy had always been the friendliest out of the Rubies, so I feel like her turning out to be such a bad person was treated like way more of a joke than it should have been

      I'd argue that Leggy was probably friendlier than her; but yeah, putting Navy in this position came across as forced on top of being rehash of Eyeball. Would've believed it more had it been either Doc or Army even if it'd still be a retread.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Lapis: I trusted you! We trusted you! We gave you everything and you treated us like dirt!

      Nice Raven quote :3 Kudos

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    • Flash of Memory wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Lapis: I trusted you! We trusted you! We gave you everything and you treated us like dirt!

      Nice Raven quote :3 Kudos

      Good someone remembers the quote

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    • Especially fitting considering she asked Navy if she loved the dirt.

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    • ThomasVeggieDramaFan wrote:

      Yotsu8a wrote: Navy had always been the friendliest out of the Rubies, so I feel like her turning out to be such a bad person was treated like way more of a joke than it should have been

      I'd argue that Leggy was probably friendlier than her; but yeah, putting Navy in this position came across as forced on top of being rehash of Eyeball. Would've believed it more had it been either Doc or Army even if it'd still be a retread.

      Yeah, Leggy would probably be friendlier than her and the only Ruby Squad member who is truly harmless and innocent (until the Ruby Squad get redeemed that is) because the simplist logic, Leggy's a brand new gem, she's like a baby and a baby can never do anything to hurt you even if it comes from a dangerous and violent family. Even though Leggy can walk and talk, she has the same exprience as a human baby does and probably can't make big and complicated decisions and can't fully take care of herself. So, Leggy's basically a baby gem and she would never even try to hurt anyone because she wouldn't know to do that and may not know about it and what she does can be excused because she doesn't know any better yet, like how babies cry in quiet places like the library, they don't know you're supposed to be quiet in the library and small children run around screaming out in public, they don't know you're not supposed to do that. So, what Leggy does is something she doesn't know she's not supposed to do. And one of those things won't be an act of violence or a trick to do something bad because she doesn't know to do that and it's beyond what she knows, as she's only existed for a short period of time.

      Also, Leggy smilied and waved at Lapis in Hit the Diamond.

      Hit the Diamond HD 193








      Yes, she's sociallizing with Lapis not just because she's a gem just like her but also, she's too young to know she is, what the Homeworld gems see as a traitor. She was one day old in Hit the Diamond so, she kind of just emerged and knows what she learned within her first day of life and in Hit the Diamond and part of it's not the rebels. So, right now, Leggy sees gems as just gems, there's no difference, it's kind of the same way with babies, little babies know their mothers but can't distinguish other people yet. Also, if that were Eyeball or Doc or Army or possibly Navy, they wouldn't do what Leggy was doing, they would see a traitor while Leggy just sees another gem.

      So, once the Ruby Squad comes back, Leggy would be friendly to them and wouldn't do anything to hurt them while Eyeball, Navy, and possibly Doc and Army are/turn out to be dangerous.

      I even made a post on it on Tumblr!

      So, for now, Leggy may be the only truly harmless and innocent Ruby Squad member.

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    • I think Navy is angry about how she got seperated from Army.
      The rubies gets hit by Roaming Eye

      "Sorry, Rubies... "

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:

      Like, the Rubies were left in space to float and the CGs didn't go back for them for AT LEAST a week

      Actually, in Rocknaldo itself 3 weeks passed in one episode.

      Oh my lord, this just makes me more proud of Navy ... and more angry at Stevo who basically said "we'll go back for them!" .

      When did ya plan to do that, Stets?

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    • Peridotrobot wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:

      Like, the Rubies were left in space to float and the CGs didn't go back for them for AT LEAST a week

      Actually, in Rocknaldo itself 3 weeks passed in one episode.
      Oh my lord, this just makes me more proud of Navy ... and more angry at Stevo who basically said "we'll go back for them!" .

      When did ya plan to do that, Stets?

      Okay, I have to ask, why does everyone keep putting this on Steven? Garnet was the one who brought it up in the first place and said they needed to do something. All Steven basically said was "do it later, Dad first. The whole thing was Garnet's idea, so it should've been her responsibility.

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    • Navyequalsevil
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    • Why exactly did she need the Roaming Eye again?

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    • Smashtag wrote:
      Why exactly did she need the Roaming Eye again?

      Because she needed to get to space

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Smashtag wrote:
      Why exactly did she need the Roaming Eye again?
      Because she needed to get to space

      That was pretty obvious

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    • I finally get the Rubies roles/personalities.

      Navy= The crazy one

      Eyeball=The Killer

      Leggy=The Newbie

      Army=The aggressive one

      Doc= The Leader

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    • ShadowGenerations101 wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:

      Like, the Rubies were left in space to float and the CGs didn't go back for them for AT LEAST a week

      Actually, in Rocknaldo itself 3 weeks passed in one episode.
      Oh my lord, this just makes me more proud of Navy ... and more angry at Stevo who basically said "we'll go back for them!" .

      When did ya plan to do that, Stets?

      Okay, I have to ask, why does everyone keep putting this on Steven? Garnet was the one who brought it up in the first place and said they needed to do something. All Steven basically said was "do it later, Dad first. The whole thing was Garnet's idea, so it should've been her responsibility.

      Let's just agree that it's all of their faults and just move on.

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    • Benjamin DiVittorio wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Smashtag wrote:
      Why exactly did she need the Roaming Eye again?
      Because she needed to get to space
      That was pretty obvious

      And also, for something for more depth, to save the rest of the Ruby Squad, the Ruby Squad is like Navy's "family" and Navy wants to save them so they won't be suffering in space forever. She knows that they're in danger and they're depending on her to save them so, she's doing that. If you knew your family was in danger and are depending on you to save them, you would do what Navy did or something similar.

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    • Quartz1 wrote:
      ShadowGenerations101 wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:

      Like, the Rubies were left in space to float and the CGs didn't go back for them for AT LEAST a week

      Actually, in Rocknaldo itself 3 weeks passed in one episode.
      Oh my lord, this just makes me more proud of Navy ... and more angry at Stevo who basically said "we'll go back for them!" .

      When did ya plan to do that, Stets?

      Okay, I have to ask, why does everyone keep putting this on Steven? Garnet was the one who brought it up in the first place and said they needed to do something. All Steven basically said was "do it later, Dad first. The whole thing was Garnet's idea, so it should've been her responsibility.
      Let's just agree that it's all of their faults and just move on.

      Someone could've just told Garnet what her components are, in the case of fusion.

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    • 818260 wrote:
      Quartz1 wrote:
      ShadowGenerations101 wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:

      Like, the Rubies were left in space to float and the CGs didn't go back for them for AT LEAST a week

      Actually, in Rocknaldo itself 3 weeks passed in one episode.
      Oh my lord, this just makes me more proud of Navy ... and more angry at Stevo who basically said "we'll go back for them!" .

      When did ya plan to do that, Stets?

      Okay, I have to ask, why does everyone keep putting this on Steven? Garnet was the one who brought it up in the first place and said they needed to do something. All Steven basically said was "do it later, Dad first. The whole thing was Garnet's idea, so it should've been her responsibility.
      Let's just agree that it's all of their faults and just move on.
      Someone could've just told Garnet what her components are, in the case of fusion.

      No to mention her future vision is not 100% right all the time  

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    • Plasmapunch101 wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Quartz1 wrote:
      ShadowGenerations101 wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:
      AquaticPanic wrote:
      Peridotrobot wrote:

      Like, the Rubies were left in space to float and the CGs didn't go back for them for AT LEAST a week

      Actually, in Rocknaldo itself 3 weeks passed in one episode.
      Oh my lord, this just makes me more proud of Navy ... and more angry at Stevo who basically said "we'll go back for them!" .

      When did ya plan to do that, Stets?

      Okay, I have to ask, why does everyone keep putting this on Steven? Garnet was the one who brought it up in the first place and said they needed to do something. All Steven basically said was "do it later, Dad first. The whole thing was Garnet's idea, so it should've been her responsibility.
      Let's just agree that it's all of their faults and just move on.
      Someone could've just told Garnet what her components are, in the case of fusion.
      No to mention her future vision is not 100% right all the time  

      Or maybe they just forgot to pick up the Rubies on their way back from the zoo. Nothing says they bumped into them again on the way back. That would've helped them remember about the plan Steven had. Still, I wonder IF the Rubies are still going to be back. We could start a campaign called #savetherubysquad. You know, from themselves. Save them from their current selves and make them good. That should be the new goal for #savejasper.

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    • Am I the only person who laughed harder when I should when Peridot said, "Hey! I can't hear what's happening! Is Navy showing us the ocean? Oh 'cause this is a heck of a way to do it!"?

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    • KappaDash wrote:
      Am I the only person who laughed harder when I should when Peridot said, "Hey! I can't hear what's happening! Is Navy showing us the ocean? Oh 'cause this is a heck of a way to do it!"?

      I laughed to

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    • InnocentNavy
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    • KappaDash wrote:
      Am I the only person who laughed harder when I should when Peridot said, "Hey! I can't hear what's happening! Is Navy showing us the ocean? Oh 'cause this is a heck of a way to do it!"?


      Tbh it's about time Cartoons understand when characters can't hear eachother

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    • ?AquaticPanic wrote:
      KappaDash wrote:
      Am I the only person who laughed harder when I should when Peridot said, "Hey! I can't hear what's happening! Is Navy showing us the ocean? Oh 'cause this is a heck of a way to do it!"?

      Tbh it's about time Cartoons understand when characters can't hear eachother

      ???

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      KappaDash wrote:
      Am I the only person who laughed harder when I should when Peridot said, "Hey! I can't hear what's happening! Is Navy showing us the ocean? Oh 'cause this is a heck of a way to do it!"?

      Tbh it's about time Cartoons understand when characters can't hear eachother

      Peridot was so funny this episode. Who else agrees with me?

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    • 818260 wrote:
      ?AquaticPanic wrote:
      KappaDash wrote:
      Am I the only person who laughed harder when I should when Peridot said, "Hey! I can't hear what's happening! Is Navy showing us the ocean? Oh 'cause this is a heck of a way to do it!"?

      Tbh it's about time Cartoons understand when characters can't hear eachother
      ???

      Lots of cartoons have momentswhere the characters hear eachother when it's not possible at all.

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    • Navy seems to have a half evil mind...

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    • i do think leggy is gonna join the crystal gems, since she called newbie by the other rubies

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    • Why are people so thirsty for redemption.

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    • OnyxSpected wrote:
      Why are people so thirsty for redemption.

      Maybe they're civil rights activists and whatnot.

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    • Honestly the only redption chance I could see is if the "Alternate Ending" from the next episode's title has something to do with the other Baloon Garnet had at the end of this ep, but even then it's very stretched and would basically make this episode pointless, and it'd be another ep with Lion's name that has little to do with him

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    • Maybe Steven or Lion will gets time traveling powers and erase that Back to the Moon nonsense?

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    • That would be pretty dumb, but then again it will make episodes like The New CG, Rocknaldo and Storm in the Room not be canon, so yeah.

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    • edit: man why did steven destroy the time hourglass

      I agree with Onyx. Jasper is NOT getting redempted.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Steven and Lion most likely won't be able to time travel, but do you know what else can time travel?
      Glass of TimePng


      Ah, yes, the thingy from the Butt Lobster episode. But it was destroyed, no?


      I can see Lion being ale to time-travel tbh, but it'd make this ep pointless.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Steven and Lion most likely won't be able to time travel, but do you know what else can time travel?
      Glass of TimePng

      Ah, yes, the thingy from the Butt Lobster episode. But it was destroyed, no?


      I can see Lion being ale to time-travel tbh, but it'd make this ep pointless.

      Butt Lobster survived but the magical hourglass didn't

      praise

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    • OnyxSpected wrote:
      Why are people so thirsty for redemption.

      For some of us it became a big craze after the Zuko-demption arc

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      OnyxSpected wrote:
      Why are people so thirsty for redemption.
      For some of us it became a big craze after the Zuko-demption arc

      What is the Zuko-demption arc? 

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    • The redemption arc Zuko (from Avatar TLAB) went through.

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      OnyxSpected wrote:
      Why are people so thirsty for redemption.
      For some of us it became a big craze after the Zuko-demption arc
      What is the Zuko-demption arc? 

      Like Onyx said, Zuko's redemption arc. Basically Avatar the Last Airbender had two main stories, Aang finding teachers to teach him fire water and earth bending and Zuko becoming the fire teacher. It was a long event that took the entire series, everyone was excited for it. That's why we say Peridot pulled a Zuko.

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    • Except Zuko had a purpose after being redeemed.

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    • Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!

      What is Peridot's purpose as a Crystal gem?

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!
      What is Peridot's purpose as a Crystal gem?

      She's the tech, the Gem who probably helped build Homeworld weapons thus knows their weaknesses, she likely knows about Gems and their weaknesses

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!
      What is Peridot's purpose as a Crystal gem?

      Comedy Relief, obviously

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!
      What is Peridot's purpose as a Crystal gem?
      She's the tech, the Gem who probably helped build Homeworld weapons thus knows their weaknesses, she likely knows about Gems and their weaknesses

      Peridot did became a bit more...

      dumb. After turning into a Crystal Gem.

      She's way more childish and a bit more dependent now. Pre-demption Peridot would't be obsessed with being Lapis' friend on Barn Mates.

      Im not saying Peridot should be a killing monster, but I really wan't to see more of serious, good version of Old Peridot back.

      I guess her new behavior comes from her new appearence, too. I really wan't to see her with her limb enchancers again.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!
      What is Peridot's purpose as a Crystal gem?
      She's the tech, the Gem who probably helped build Homeworld weapons thus knows their weaknesses, she likely knows about Gems and their weaknesses
      Peridot did became a bit more...

      dumb. After turning into a Crystal Gem.

      She's way more childish and a bit more dependent now. Pre-demption Peridot would't be obsessed with being Lapis' friend on Barn Mates.

      Im not saying Peridot should be a killing monster, but I really wan't to see more of serious, good version of Old Peridot back.

      I guess her new behavior comes from her new appearence, too. I really wan't to see her with her limb enchancers again.

      Peridot could make weapons and gagets for the gems but nope instead she is a farmer 

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    • Watch as the corn becomes the ultimate weapon to defeat Homeworld

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!
      What is Peridot's purpose as a Crystal gem?
      She's the tech, the Gem who probably helped build Homeworld weapons thus knows their weaknesses, she likely knows about Gems and their weaknesses
      Peridot did became a bit more...

      dumb. After turning into a Crystal Gem.

      She's way more childish and a bit more dependent now. Pre-demption Peridot would't be obsessed with being Lapis' friend on Barn Mates.

      Im not saying Peridot should be a killing monster, but I really wan't to see more of serious, good version of Old Peridot back.

      I guess her new behavior comes from her new appearence, too. I really wan't to see her with her limb enchancers again.

      Peridot could make weapons and gagets for the gems but nope instead she is a farmer 

      Maybe agriculturalism and industrialism could mingle and canoodle for her.

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    • Peridot post-redemption purpose was to deal with the Cluster. And she was always childish.
      Friend Ship 074
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    • My question will still remain the same: when will Peri get her limbs back.

      She is already a Crystal Gem, and there is no reason for Lapis not to lift up the ocean around Warp Galaxy and find it for her.

      By the way, Amber Cragg did a piece of art about it: http://70f186a60af817fe0731-09dac41207c435675bfd529a14211b5c.r92.cf1.rackcdn.com/assets/attachments_p/000/054/310/size500_CNH_AmberRogers_Peridot_detail1_500.jpg

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      #JasperRedemptionArc
      1. NavyRedemptionArc
      1. EyeballRedemptionArc
      1. FrogThatAteButterflyInTheAnswerRedemptionArc

      Lets be real guys. Not all villains are getting redempted.

      Some people were made to be evil.

      Be evil and do evil are different things. Also evil can be subjective. In Navy's eyes she was simply paying the crystal gems back for repeatedly tricking her, so it was just revenge to her. It might've even been possible that (as Jasper believed too) she thought that they were just setting her up for another trick, so she had to 'outfox' the 'outfoxers'.

      Also, most notably, she did NOT try to kill them. She just wanted to trick them back for once.

      As far as Eyeball goes, she doesn't have the same pacifist morality that the crystal gems have. Eyeball is a soldier and soldiers are meant to kill the enemy. In fact that's her entire reason for being allowed to exist. Do you really think she'd just give that up because the enemy made one nice gesture? The CGs obviously have a history of tricking the rubies, and the rubies don't have the same benefit of knowing the CGs like we do.

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    • TigersEye Quartz wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      #JasperRedemptionArc
      1. NavyRedemptionArc
      1. EyeballRedemptionArc
      1. FrogThatAteButterflyInTheAnswerRedemptionArc

      Lets be real guys. Not all villains are getting redempted.

      Some people were made to be evil.

      Be evil and do evil are different things. Also evil can be subjective. In Navy's eyes she was simply paying the crystal gems back for repeatedly tricking her, so it was just revenge to her. It might've even been possible that (as Jasper believed too) she thought that they were just setting her up for another trick, so she had to 'outfox' the 'outfoxers'.

      Also, most notably, she did NOT try to kill them. She just wanted to trick them back for once.

      As far as Eyeball goes, she doesn't have the same pacifist morality that the crystal gems have. Eyeball is a soldier and soldiers are meant to kill the enemy. In fact that's her entire reason for being allowed to exist. Do you really think she'd just give that up because the enemy made one nice gesture? The CGs obviously have a history of tricking the rubies, and the rubies don't have the same benefit of knowing the CGs like we do.

      Yes, being evil and doing evil are different things. And yes, Navy was just paying back the ones who tricked her and her "family", the Ruby Squad and put them in danger. But, I think Navy had good intentions, she wants her "family" and wants to save them.

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      The Ruby Squad's like her family, Eyeball, Doc, and Army are like her big sisters (I headcannon that Navy's like the "baby of the family" and is like Eyeball, Doc, and Army's little sister) and Leggy's like her baby niece (Leggy's a brand new gem, she was confirmed to be one day old in Hit the Diamond and is probably a few or several months old in the show's current time, so, she's basically a baby gem and I think Eyeball's her caregiver and is like her "mother" even though she doesn't act motherly towards her, Leggy felt safe and secure with her just like how a little baby feels with it's mother. So, this leads me to believe that Eyeball is Leggy's caregiver and she's like a "mother" to Leggy. And Doc, Army, and Navy are like Leggy's aunts and they help her caregiver or "mother", Eyeball take care of her), so, yeah, they're like her "family". And they're in danger!

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      They're floating through space with the potiential of being hit by meteors and asteriods. You've seen what happened to Eyeball! Her gem got cracked by getting hit in the face with a meteor! So, they're in danger! Since Navy crashed down, it's up to her to save the rest of the Ruby Squad, her "family".

      You would do the same or something similar if your family was in danger, Navy wants to save them as she's their only hope. Also, even though Navy didn't express it, I think she was worried about them, especially Leggy, she doesn't understand space probably too complicated for the poor thing to understand, except for she's in the dark and alone. Even though Leggy has the body she'll have forever, it amplified for her since she's a brand new gem, she wouldn't know what to think of it, she's probably crying out there since it's the only way she knows how to react to it. Navy is probably worried for them and is going to save them.

      Yes, Eyeball was made to be a soldier even though Navy is more of a pacifist, Leggy is known at this point because she's like a baby, she's still learning, even though Leggy does seem to run away from her problems ("I'll just go stand over here then" she walks over to the fence afterwards) but we've never seen Leggy actually fight or hurt anyone and probably we'll never see her do that because she's a brand new gem and is like a baby and a baby can't hurt you. A baby wouldn't know to hurt you, as they're too young to know, and so is Leggy. And yes, the Crystal Gems did trick the Ruby Squad multiple times and you're right, Eyeball won't give all that up for just one good deed from them, if they're going to get redeemed, it will take more. I think they're going to get redeemed and they'll have a little redemption arc that last us until like the 4th-8th episode and season 5 (it won't take that much to redeem to redeem some of them, Eyeball will be a little harder than Peridot but the others will either be on the same level as Peridot or a little easier). I think their redemption arc will take some time but it will happen and will pay off.

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    • Hasn't anyone ever seen that redemption video by The Roundtable about Jasper and the Ruby Squad?

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    • 818260 wrote:
      Hasn't anyone ever seen that redemption video by The Roundtable about Jasper and the Ruby Squad?

      So much imagination put into some of his theory vids tho, lol. The show is unpredictable so we dunno what to expect from it but I feel as if Jasper is pretty much forever gone and the Ruby Squad might have a tiddly bit of a chance but again dunno what to expect.

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    • DapperPearl wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Hasn't anyone ever seen that redemption video by The Roundtable about Jasper and the Ruby Squad?
      So much imagination put into some of his theory vids tho, lol. The show is unpredictable so we dunno what to expect from it but I feel as if Jasper is pretty much forever gone and the Ruby Squad might have a tiddly bit of a chance but again dunno what to expect.

      Baseball would save the day.

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    • Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      DapperPearl wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Hasn't anyone ever seen that redemption video by The Roundtable about Jasper and the Ruby Squad?
      So much imagination put into some of his theory vids tho, lol. The show is unpredictable so we dunno what to expect from it but I feel as if Jasper is pretty much forever gone and the Ruby Squad might have a tiddly bit of a chance but again dunno what to expect.
      Baseball would save the day.

      Again. NO WAIT! Remove that last part. Still though, should we ask the Crewniverse themselves?

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    • Yeah they'll totally give away an important plot point

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    • Ik it from the start..When Navy first crashed the first thing she did? Attack Steven. She seemed to change her mind realzing she couldnt take on him AND Garnet..

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!
      What is Peridot's purpose as a Crystal gem?
      She's the tech, the Gem who probably helped build Homeworld weapons thus knows their weaknesses, she likely knows about Gems and their weaknesses
      Peridot did became a bit more...

      dumb. After turning into a Crystal Gem.

      She's way more childish and a bit more dependent now. Pre-demption Peridot would't be obsessed with being Lapis' friend on Barn Mates.

      Im not saying Peridot should be a killing monster, but I really wan't to see more of serious, good version of Old Peridot back.

      I guess her new behavior comes from her new appearence, too. I really wan't to see her with her limb enchancers again.

      No offense but what you said is the dumbest thing I've ever heard....Your saying Peridot is too silly we can't have serious her all the time remember this is a KIDS show as its on a CARTOON NETWORK Kids like Big Goofy Charathers..Steven Universe is at a risk with the LGBT Support....It can't afford to lose Little kids cause the chars are too serious ..

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    • LapisLazu102 wrote:
      No offense but what you said is the dumbest thing I've ever heard....Your saying Peridot is too silly we can't have serious her all the time remember this is a KIDS show as its on a CARTOON NETWORK Kids like Big Goofy Charathers..Steven Universe is at a risk with the LGBT Support....It can't afford to lose Little kids cause the chars are too serious ..

      The show hasn't really shied away from dealing with more mature issues. I'm sure Rebecca Sugar doesn't ask Cartoon Network what they think is best to appeal to a child audience every time she writes up an episode. No. If she did that, Steven Universe wouldn't be what it is. Lapis Lazuli's arc would have been simplified and watered down and her suffering would have been written out of the story or would have been minimized in order to make way for a 'villain of the day' format that many children's cartoons choose to follow.

      Animations/cartoons are just a medium for video, just like oil or pastel is a medium for paintings. And not all cartoons are made exclusively for a child audience.

      Heck, my parent love Avatar: The Last Airbender and they're in their late 40s and don't normally watch cartoons. But it's not because the slapstick humor of Avatar is a cut above Ren & Stimpy. It's because the writing and character development is so good that it can appeal to a wide audience.

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    • LapisLazu102 wrote:
      No offense but what you said is the dumbest thing I've ever heard....Your saying Peridot is too silly we can't have serious her all the time remember this is a KIDS show as its on a CARTOON NETWORK Kids like Big Goofy Charathers..Steven Universe is at a risk with the LGBT Support....It can't afford to lose Little kids cause the chars are too serious ..

      ...what? Peridot was like that when she had her Limbs.

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      LapisLazu102 wrote:
      No offense but what you said is the dumbest thing I've ever heard....Your saying Peridot is too silly we can't have serious her all the time remember this is a KIDS show as its on a CARTOON NETWORK Kids like Big Goofy Charathers..Steven Universe is at a risk with the LGBT Support....It can't afford to lose Little kids cause the chars are too serious ..
      ...what? Peridot was like that when she had her Limbs.

      Peridot used to be serious until her redeemption was done. 

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    • StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Peridot used to be serious until her redeemption was done. 
      No, you're thinking of Garnet. Peridot is the green one.
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    • Sarasvato wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Peridot used to be serious until her redeemption was done. 
      No, you're thinking of Garnet. Peridot is the green one.
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      There was her debut actually but that's just character development, being stranded tends to do that to people

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    • LapisLazu102 wrote:
      CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      StrikeGaming7 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Well we need an army and I know just where we're going to get it. Peri build a ship we're going to The Zoo to pick up the Famethyst and Zoomans because why not!
      What is Peridot's purpose as a Crystal gem?
      She's the tech, the Gem who probably helped build Homeworld weapons thus knows their weaknesses, she likely knows about Gems and their weaknesses
      Peridot did became a bit more...

      dumb. After turning into a Crystal Gem.

      She's way more childish and a bit more dependent now. Pre-demption Peridot would't be obsessed with being Lapis' friend on Barn Mates.

      Im not saying Peridot should be a killing monster, but I really wan't to see more of serious, good version of Old Peridot back.

      I guess her new behavior comes from her new appearence, too. I really wan't to see her with her limb enchancers again.

      No offense but what you said is the dumbest thing I've ever heard....Your saying Peridot is too silly we can't have serious her all the time remember this is a KIDS show as its on a CARTOON NETWORK Kids like Big Goofy Charathers..Steven Universe is at a risk with the LGBT Support....It can't afford to lose Little kids cause the chars are too serious ..

      "is at a risk with LGBT Support"

      Well, Im the dumb one.

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    • Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      DapperPearl wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Hasn't anyone ever seen that redemption video by The Roundtable about Jasper and the Ruby Squad?
      So much imagination put into some of his theory vids tho, lol. The show is unpredictable so we dunno what to expect from it but I feel as if Jasper is pretty much forever gone and the Ruby Squad might have a tiddly bit of a chance but again dunno what to expect.
      Baseball would save the day.

      Baseball wouldn't save the day for the Ruby Squad. They (except Leggy, who most likely doesn't remember it) probably have bad memories about baseball now since the Crystal Gems used it as a trick. Especially Doc, who clearly doesn't like it.

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      "Where's Jasper? Last time we came, you tricked us into playing that stuuupid game!"

      She doesn't flatout say she doesn't like it or hates it, she just says it's a "stupid game", "stupid" is a word we would use for something we don't like. So, yeah, she doesn't like baseball even though she looked like she was having a lot of fun while playing it in Hit the Diamond.

      She was smiling in a few scenes.

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      I don't think that's a serious smile, I think it's "I'm a having fun!" smile.

      She even acted like a coach or a mother of a child who plays sports trying to get their players or her own children to do a good job in the game.

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      She was yelling at the Ruby who makes up Garnet and slapping her knees and tapping her foot (obviously to get her attention, it makes me wonder if she uses this method for the other Ruby Squad members, probably) once she hits the ball, Doc happily puts her fist on her back, like "Good job!".

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      And she even Ruby glomped the ball with Army and Eyeball.

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      I'm calling it Ruby glomp because it feels right and the best word for this action. (okay the Ruby Squad would be just cute resting, they might get into the Ruby glomp again)

      Don't tell me she looked like she wasn't having fun, she was having fun! She clearly looked like it!

      But, if Doc doesn't like it, could she be faking it this whole time? Showing she could be just as smart as Navy, despite being bad at counting ("1..2...3...4...5... Nevermind") or Doc made up her mind afterwards, like "Okay, I don't like it".

      So, baseball probably left a bad taste in Doc's mouth and it might bring back bad memories for her, she might be the most effected out of the Ruby Squad.

      Baseball won't save the day for the Ruby Squad, it will probably just plague them (except Leggy) with bad memories. It would take a whole lot more for their redemption, like have them be saved in a life threatening situation or have them experience things over and over again to see that Steven and the Crystal Gems are serious. They're probably hurt from all the tricks and think that the Crystal Gems are just crying wolf now.

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    • Why did you write a wall of text for something that was clearly a joke?

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    • Why is everyone so thirsty for redemption?

      Jasper is not getting redemeed.

      Doc is not getting redemeed.

      Eyeball is not getting redemeed.

      Nobody cares about Army.

      Navy is not getting redemeed.

      Leggy is the only one who could be redemeed, but thats because she is easily manipulative.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:

      Nobody cares about Army.

      That's true tho

      Rip Army, you could go and fight a war

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    • AquaticPanic wrote:
      Why did you write a wall of text for something that was clearly a joke?

      Sorry, I thought they were being serious, I don't know why, but, I sometimes take jokes literally. And when it's in text, I sometimes can't tell if it's a joke so I take it literally like they're being serious. So, I thought the baseball saving the day thing was the person posted it being serious.

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    • CalimTheCrystalGem wrote:
      Why is everyone so thirsty for redemption?

      Jasper is not getting redemeed.

      Doc is not getting redemeed.

      Eyeball is not getting redemeed.

      Nobody cares about Army.

      Navy is not getting redemeed.

      Leggy is the only one who could be redemeed, but thats because she is easily manipulative.

      I think people started wishing for redemption after seeing Peridot getting successfully redeemed in Message Recieved. After Peridot get redeemed, people started wishing it for other characters too, and I'm one of them, I want Jasper, the Ruby Squad, Holly Blue Agate, and the Zoo Quartzes to get redeemed.

      Rebecca Sugar said there's no real villian on Steven Universe so, they're redeemable. So, they all have some good in them, they're just following the rules and going by the Diamonds' and Homeworld's ways. Just keep in mind that Jasper and the Ruby Squad are no different than Lapis and Peridot, they're all Homeworld gems who follow the Diamonds' ways but Lapis and Peridot got redeemed despite the fact they did some pretty bad things in the past. Also, what Eyeball and Navy did was nothing compared to what Lapis, Peridot, and Jasper did.

      I think Jasper will get redeemed, yes, she did some pretty bad things but, so did Lapis and Peridot and they got redeemed and Jasper can get redeemed too. Jasper deserves love, do you know that she hates herself? Rebecca Sugar confirmed it one of her recent interviews. That doesn't make Jasper irredeemable, it's a sad thing about her character and it adds to more reasons as to why Jasper should get redeemed. Also, I think Jasper just wants her "family" (she rounded up corrupted Jaspers, I think that's her way of saying she misses her "family") and to be loved (that's probably why she was seeking fusion). Maybe after Jasper gets the love she deserves and sees herself and Earth in a different way, she'll get redeemed. But, her redemption will be longer and harder but I think it will still pay off.

      We don't know much about Doc to determain whether or not she's getting redeemed, Doc is just the leader of the Ruby Squad and she never really tried to hurt anyone yet. She seems completely harmless but seeing how Eyeball and Navy turned out (Navy seemed completely harmless at first, but it turns out she's not), that could change, Doc may actually turn out to be pretty dangerous but I can't imagine what kind of harm Doc can cause (yes, she set a baseball on fire but will she be able to set a whole structure on fire? Maybe, she's a little Ruby and a little Ruby may not be able to cause as much damage as a huge Quartz like Jasper. She may not be able to set a whole a structure on fire and also, if she's not angry, she may not able to cause much damage, I think the Rubies can control their thermokinesis and heat their bodies whenever they want, I mean, Ruby warmed up Sapphire when she was freezing up in That Will Be All and she didn't look angry so, they have control over that. But, it appears to be weaker than when they are angry, Ruby didn't leave any burned footprints on the floor after this scene so, if Doc tried to do when she's not angry, she may only be able to pull off a small flame), she may not be able to burn down a whole structure and we don't know if she has a summonable weapon, she may also not be able to trick them as well as Navy did. So, I bet if Doc tried to do any harm, she'd fail immediately, she'll be kind of like pre-redemption Peridot except without the violence, she might make us laugh as she tries to be dangerous. She may have to rely on sticks or non-summonable weapons and corrupted gems to attack them. But, I think Doc is redeemable, I think she'll be harmless overall and will probably fail while she's trying to be dangerous. She might get redeemed after some time, I also think she'll turn out to be a little like Andy except without the prejudice thing, she just wants her whole team and "family" together. So, I think she'll get redeemed.

      As for Eyeball, yes, she did try to kill Steven but just to let you know, she was doing this to seek happiness, she thinks fame, wealth, and power will make her happy even though it will probably not. She wants love, it's enough to make her cry! She was crying in Back to the Moon because she wants love. If she's crying, she really needs it! Redemption may benefit Eyeball in so many ways, help her learn she doesn't need a Pearl, fame, power, and wealth to be happy (in real life, items doesn't give you true happiness, also, many shows over the years mirrored that, I've seen lots of shows where they have an episode where a character is happy with what they got then when they suddenly become rich, they're not very happy then when the character gets back to their old life, they're happy again. I think it will be the same for Eyeball, where it will only plague her with sadness and her wishing she had her old life again). With redemption, she'll have lots of friends and family as well as a better life and it will make her happy and give her a new realization. She probably won't get to the point where she's crying again. So, I think she'll get redeemed too.

      Yes, nobody cares about Army, doesn't get much love. Also, Army might actually be pretty dangerous. She is all rough and tough, she acts like it and is buff and is probably the strongest Ruby on the show. But, I think Army has a little soft side deep down inside, she does actually, she's playful with Navy and they two act like sisters who are really close. But, I don't think she cares about Leggy that much, they don't seem to hang around each other at all so I don't think they care about each other. I think once they start showing Army more, she'll be prominant people. She might have a likable trait we're still yet to see. I think redemption is possible for her.

      As for Navy, she did some bad thing but they're nothing compared to what Lapis, Peridot, and Jasper did. Even though Navy did what she did, I think she has some good intentions, she just wants her "family", the Ruby Squad back. She knows they're in danger and she's the only one who can save them. Also, I think once Navy saves them, she'll bring them back to Earth so they won't have to go through what she went through. Also, if your family was in danger, you might do the same or something similar to save them, even if it's the only way you can do it. I think Navy loves her "family", the Ruby Squad just like how we love our families. She loves them very much and wants them to be safe and is probably really worried about them, you would worry about your family if they were in danger, especially if you have an infant family member (Leggy is a brand new gem and is like a baby and is like Eyeball's little baby and Doc, Army, and Navy's baby niece). The infant may not be able to handle the situation as well as you can so, you would for the infant family more whether if it's your infant sibling, cousin, niece/nephew, or granddaughter/grandson. Leggy may not be able to handle space mentally and emotionally as well as the others so Navy is probably worried for her the most. I think once Navy saves them, her redemption will happen. I think she'll get redeemed too, I think she has potiential. I think she'll get redeemed.

      Yeah, Leggy may be the only who will get redeemed, but, I think she'll be the easiest to redeemed, because, yes, she is easily manipulative. She's easily manipulative because she's like a brand new gem and is like a baby and a baby is manipulative, she can get a baby to do anything you want them to do, you can pick them up and say "Let's do this". She's the easiest to redeem because she's like a baby and can be easily influenced like one. But, once she sees that her caregiver, Eyeball isn't redeemed, she may not be redeeemd because I think brand new gems have the same desire as babies, they want to be with their mother and I think brand new gems have the desire to with their caregivers. Leggy might have the desire to with Eyeball and go with what she wants. But, she's easily manipulative and can easily love Earth once they show her. I think she'll get redeemd but I think it'll be unfair if she got redeemed but the other Ruby Squad members didn't. So, I think Leggy and the Ruby Squad will get redeemed together.

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    • That was lots of read.Why do all characters has to be redeemed the work for the Diamonds do not make them bad guy and the no need to change the think like rose quartz.If the happy to work for the Diamonds why do the need to change.

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    • I really have to give kudos to Rebecca Sugar. I really didn't see how Jasper could be redeemed, but after seing her melt down after Smoky Quarz beat them and seeing the other Jasper and Amethysts, I can see it happen. The same is probably true for the Rubbies. I can even see the Diamonds getting redeemed.

      The main reason why I though that they wouldn't be redeemed or that is would be unrealitc is that I don't like this notion that all evil stems from misunderstanding. Home world seems to be like a Kafkaesk system of rules and hierarchy that leads all Gems including the Diamonds to be evil. The Diamonds are trapped in, it reminds me Kafka's story "Poseidon". To me it's seems like Homeworld is expanding for the sake of expanding and because they just think that that is their purpose. They don't know what else to do. As YD said: "An army has a use. They can go and fight a war. A Sapphire has a use. She can tell you what it's for. An Agate terrifies. A Lapis terraforms. Where's their Diamond when they need her, Blue? You've got to be a leader, Blue! ♪ Yes, of course, we still love her, and we're always thinking of her. But now, there's nothing we can do, so tell me! " The Diamonds are not really free, they are expected to give orders.

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      I really have to give kudos to Rebecca Sugar. I really didn't see how Jasper could be redeemed, but after seing her melt down after Smoky Quarz beat them and seeing the other Jasper and Amethysts, I can see it happen. The same is probably true for the Rubbies. I can even see the Diamonds getting redeemed.

      The main reason why I though that they wouldn't be redeemed or that is would be unrealitc is that I don't like this notion that all evil stems from misunderstanding. Home world seems to be like a Kafkaesk system of rules and hierarchy that leads all Gems including the Diamonds to be evil. The Diamonds are trapped in, it reminds me Kafka's story "Poseidon". To me it's seems like Homeworld is expanding for the sake of expanding and because they just think that that is their purpose. They don't know what else to do. As YD said: "An army has a use. They can go and fight a war. A Sapphire has a use. She can tell you what it's for. An Agate terrifies. A Lapis terraforms. Where's their Diamond when they need her, Blue? You've got to be a leader, Blue! ♪ Yes, of course, we still love her, and we're always thinking of her. But now, there's nothing we can do, so tell me! " The Diamonds are not really free, they are expected to give orders.

      Yeah, exactly, everyone is on SU is redeemable. Yeah, Jasper's meltdown is very understandable, her reaction is comparable to that of someone's reaction when they lose a loved one (Jasper was talking about PD's shattering like how someone would when their mother or someone close to them died, which why I headcannon that PD was like Jasper's "mother" and old caregiver when she was just a brand new and young gem) and the other Jaspers and Amehysts are just giant sweethearts and are just like huge puppies and teddy bears. So, I think it's deep down inside Jasper, it just has to get unlocked, she's just so hurt from PD's shattering it changed her, some people change after someone dies. So, I bet once she gets redeemed, we might get a glimpse of how the "old" Jasper will be, back when she was just a young gem during the Rebellion and was happy as can be and was like a huge puppy, and she (going by my "gems age mentally" theory) had the natural instinct to play (she probably like a child back then, even though she had to fight, she probably still wanted to play and would play with the other gems or certain objects on her free-time). Then, I bet after PD got shattered things changed, young Jasper (who probably didn't understand shattering back then, I have a theory that like how small children don't understand death and the outcome of certain actions, brand new and young gems don't understand poofing and shattering) threw a huge temper tantrum and didn't know what happened but they tried to tell her about shattering she didn't understand then afterwards, she understood. Young Jasper was then not the happy young gem she was, she was a whole different gem, she was now a savage, she had different view of Earth, and developed a deep hatred for Rose Quartz and herself (basically how she is like today).

      Anyway, I bet once Jasper gets redeemed, I bet we'll see a glimpse of my depiction of how she was like when she was just a young gem, without the tendency to play since she's an older, fully matured gem now. She will probably be a giant sweetheart and like a huge puppy, like the Zoo Quartzes except she will kind of be same except she's be happier, she'll love herself, and she'll probably be a giant sweetheart and a huge puppy.

      Yeah, the Rubies are redeemable too, just keep in mind, they're like a family, Eyeball, Doc, Army, and Navy are like sisters and Leggy is like Eyeball's little baby (I still think she's a brand new gem) and Doc, Army, and Navy are like her aunts.

      I mean, even though they're a team, you can see those subtle family values, like Eyeball, Doc, Army, and Navy acting like sisters and Leggy being like Eyeball's little baby and like Doc, Army, and Navy's baby niece.

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      Look, Army and Navy can be playful at times and actually acting like how siblings act, Navy got so excited, she jumped on top of Army's head. Siblings display similar behaviors when excited or something.









      Also, Navy did say that her and the other Rubies got in a fight in space in Room for Ruby.

      "Well, we were fighting so it's understandable."

      I think she was telling the truth here, because it sounds believable, assuming that Eyeball, Doc, Army, and her were the ones fighting, Leggy wouldn't get into a fight, she was probably watching with a blank or scared expression on her face or even crying (she's like a baby, and stuff like that could make babies cry). It's believable because Eyeball, Doc, Army, and Navy are like sisters and siblings sometimes fight (if you have siblings, you guys probably got into fights from time to time, I have fought with my brother and little sister sometimes). So, like siblings, Eyeball, Doc, Army, and Navy still would have the natural tendency to fight at times, then, afterwards, like siblings they forgive each other and everything's cool again because they still love each other (that's beauty of having siblings, after a fight, it always ends well because you guys love each other). Also, Navy wanted to save them for the most obvious reason, she loves them and cares about them, just as you love your family. Once we see them again, we might see more of them acting like a family, we might get Doc and Eyeball a little playful too and Eyeball probably acting like Leggy's mother, I know it's unlikely, but it has to come eventually and Doc, Army, and Navy acting like Leggy's aunts.

      Also, the Ruby Squad is harmless compared to Lapis, Jasper, and Peridot, what Eyeball and Navy did was nothing compared to what they did. Also, yes, Doc and Army will probably turn out to be as bad as Eyeball and Navy but what they will do will be nothing compared to what Lapis, Jasper, and Peridot did (also, I think Leggy will be only harmless one). So, that also makes them redeemable, they can easily be changed, they're just loyal to the Diamonds like any other Homeworld gem. So, they're redeemable.

      As for the Diamonds, yes, they're redeemable but I don't think they'll ever be redeemed, they're just leaders of Homeworld and many other planets.

      The Diamonds aren't free they just lead, as that's all they know to do. I also don't think all the gems on Homeworld will get redeemed but a small percentage. Only bringing up the total of redeemed gems, if you were to count the corrupted gems if they were to be healed and freed imprisoned gems (I think there's more hidden gems on Earth that inactivated and I think all the gems bubbled inside the Big Bird are imprisoned gems who are inside another gem's body as their prison, I know that sounds gross and probably impossible, I think that's the case. I bet if those gems were to get unbubbled, they will come out uncorrupted and will just be angry as heck for being imprisoned and being imprisoned in the most disgusting way, in another gem's body, the Big Bird and I think the gem that Garnet had bubbled in Garnet's Universe is an uncorrupted gem and I bet there's more hidden gems on Earth that are still yet to uncovered) as well as the Crystal Gems and Lapis and Peridot and possibly Jasper and the Ruby Squad, if they were to get redeemed that is (and I think Holly Blue and the Zoo Quartzes will get redeemed too, because, knowing how the Crewniverse work, they will probably have the Crystal Gems free the Zoomans at some point and afterwards they would have no job so they will have no choice but to go Earth or go back to Homeworld, so, I think redemption will come for them when that happens), it will bring the total up to hundreds or even thousands. There will probably a little gem population on Earth but the gems won't overcrowd the humans.

      So, in short, even though all the gems are redeemable, I think Jasper, the Ruby Squad, possibly Holly Blue and the Zoo Quartz, and a small percentage of Homeworld gems will get redeemed while the rest of Homeworld gems and the Diamonds won't get redeemed.

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    • Grabbergirl wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      I really have to give kudos to Rebecca Sugar. I really didn't see how Jasper could be redeemed, but after seing her melt down after Smoky Quarz beat them and seeing the other Jasper and Amethysts, I can see it happen. The same is probably true for the Rubbies. I can even see the Diamonds getting redeemed.

      The main reason why I though that they wouldn't be redeemed or that is would be unrealitc is that I don't like this notion that all evil stems from misunderstanding. Home world seems to be like a Kafkaesk system of rules and hierarchy that leads all Gems including the Diamonds to be evil. The Diamonds are trapped in, it reminds me Kafka's story "Poseidon". To me it's seems like Homeworld is expanding for the sake of expanding and because they just think that that is their purpose. They don't know what else to do. As YD said: "An army has a use. They can go and fight a war. A Sapphire has a use. She can tell you what it's for. An Agate terrifies. A Lapis terraforms. Where's their Diamond when they need her, Blue? You've got to be a leader, Blue! ♪ Yes, of course, we still love her, and we're always thinking of her. But now, there's nothing we can do, so tell me! " The Diamonds are not really free, they are expected to give orders.

      Yeah, exactly, everyone is on SU is redeemable. Yeah, Jasper's meltdown is very understandable, her reaction is comparable to that of someone's reaction when they lose a loved one (Jasper was talking about PD's shattering like how someone would when their mother or someone close to them died, which why I headcannon that PD was like Jasper's "mother" and old caregiver when she was just a brand new and young gem) and the other Jaspers and Amehysts are just giant sweethearts and are just like huge puppies and teddy bears. So, I think it's deep down inside Jasper, it just has to get unlocked, she's just so hurt from PD's shattering it changed her, some people change after someone dies. So, I bet once she gets redeemed, we might get a glimpse of how the "old" Jasper will be, back when she was just a young gem during the Rebellion and was happy as can be and was like a huge puppy, and she (going by my "gems age mentally" theory) had the natural instinct to play (she probably like a child back then, even though she had to fight, she probably still wanted to play and would play with the other gems or certain objects on her free-time). Then, I bet after PD got shattered things changed, young Jasper (who probably didn't understand shattering back then, I have a theory that like how small children don't understand death and the outcome of certain actions, brand new and young gems don't understand poofing and shattering) threw a huge temper tantrum and didn't know what happened but they tried to tell her about shattering she didn't understand then afterwards, she understood. Young Jasper was then not the happy young gem she was, she was a whole different gem, she was now a savage, she had different view of Earth, and developed a deep hatred for Rose Quartz and herself (basically how she is like today).

      Anyway, I bet once Jasper gets redeemed, I bet we'll see a glimpse of my depiction of how she was like when she was just a young gem, without the tendency to play since she's an older, fully matured gem now. She will probably be a giant sweetheart and like a huge puppy, like the Zoo Quartzes except she will kind of be same except she's be happier, she'll love herself, and she'll probably be a giant sweetheart and a huge puppy.

      Yeah, the Rubies are redeemable too, just keep in mind, they're like a family, Eyeball, Doc, Army, and Navy are like sisters and Leggy is like Eyeball's little baby (I still think she's a brand new gem) and Doc, Army, and Navy are like her aunts.

      I mean, even though they're a team, you can see those subtle family values, like Eyeball, Doc, Army, and Navy acting like sisters and Leggy being like Eyeball's little baby and like Doc, Army, and Navy's baby niece.

      Back to the Moon 056

      Look, Army and Navy can be playful at times and actually acting like how siblings act, Navy got so excited, she jumped on top of Army's head. Siblings display similar behaviors when excited or something.









      Also, Navy did say that her and the other Rubies got in a fight in space in Room for Ruby.

      "Well, we were fighting so it's understandable."

      I think she was telling the truth here, because it sounds believable, assuming that Eyeball, Doc, Army, and her were the ones fighting, Leggy wouldn't get into a fight, she was probably watching with a blank or scared expression on her face or even crying (she's like a baby, and stuff like that could make babies cry). It's believable because Eyeball, Doc, Army, and Navy are like sisters and siblings sometimes fight (if you have siblings, you guys probably got into fights from time to time, I have fought with my brother and little sister sometimes). So, like siblings, Eyeball, Doc, Army, and Navy still would have the natural tendency to fight at times, then, afterwards, like siblings they forgive each other and everything's cool again because they still love each other (that's beauty of having siblings, after a fight, it always ends well because you guys love each other). Also, Navy wanted to save them for the most obvious reason, she loves them and cares about them, just as you love your family. Once we see them again, we might see more of them acting like a family, we might get Doc and Eyeball a little playful too and Eyeball probably acting like Leggy's mother, I know it's unlikely, but it has to come eventually and Doc, Army, and Navy acting like Leggy's aunts.

      Also, the Ruby Squad is harmless compared to Lapis, Jasper, and Peridot, what Eyeball and Navy did was nothing compared to what they did. Also, yes, Doc and Army will probably turn out to be as bad as Eyeball and Navy but what they will do will be nothing compared to what Lapis, Jasper, and Peridot did (also, I think Leggy will be only harmless one). So, that also makes them redeemable, they can easily be changed, they're just loyal to the Diamonds like any other Homeworld gem. So, they're redeemable.

      As for the Diamonds, yes, they're redeemable but I don't think they'll ever be redeemed, they're just leaders of Homeworld and many other planets.

      The Diamonds aren't free they just lead, as that's all they know to do. I also don't think all the gems on Homeworld will get redeemed but a small percentage. Only bringing up the total of redeemed gems, if you were to count the corrupted gems if they were to be healed and freed imprisoned gems (I think there's more hidden gems on Earth that inactivated and I think all the gems bubbled inside the Big Bird are imprisoned gems who are inside another gem's body as their prison, I know that sounds gross and probably impossible, I think that's the case. I bet if those gems were to get unbubbled, they will come out uncorrupted and will just be angry as heck for being imprisoned and being imprisoned in the most disgusting way, in another gem's body, the Big Bird and I think the gem that Garnet had bubbled in Garnet's Universe is an uncorrupted gem and I bet there's more hidden gems on Earth that are still yet to uncovered) as well as the Crystal Gems and Lapis and Peridot and possibly Jasper and the Ruby Squad, if they were to get redeemed that is (and I think Holly Blue and the Zoo Quartzes will get redeemed too, because, knowing how the Crewniverse work, they will probably have the Crystal Gems free the Zoomans at some point and afterwards they would have no job so they will have no choice but to go Earth or go back to Homeworld, so, I think redemption will come for them when that happens), it will bring the total up to hundreds or even thousands. There will probably a little gem population on Earth but the gems won't overcrowd the humans.

      So, in short, even though all the gems are redeemable, I think Jasper, the Ruby Squad, possibly Holly Blue and the Zoo Quartz, and a small percentage of Homeworld gems will get redeemed while the rest of Homeworld gems and the Diamonds won't get redeemed.

      Unknown which ones, uless it can be hypothesized by Cartoon Universe, Fictional Crystals, SkywardWing, Rose's Universe, SliceofOtaku, The Roundtable, etc.

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    • Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.

      How could Garnet help?

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    • 818260 wrote:
       
      How could Garnet help?

      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol

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    • Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol

      I'm not sure if that's going to help.

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    • Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.

      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.

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    • 818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.

      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.
      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.

      Unless it's Steven, who could reason with her, introduce her to new ideas, and probably offer himself as a sacrifice to save his friends, and with good reasons for why the sacrifice should happen.

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    • 818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.
      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.
      Unless it's Steven, who could reason with her, introduce her to new ideas, and probably offer himself as a sacrifice to save his friends, and with good reasons for why the sacrifice should happen.

      BD could just take Garnet AND Steven AND send an armanda to destroy what is left of the CG. You can't reason with someone if the facts are against you and you can't negotiate if the person you are negotiating with can just take whatever you have to offer and leave.

      And remember how it worked out for Steven when he told Eyeball that he has Rose's Gemstone?

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    • Blue problably would't do anything about the CGs since she still thinks the Cluster will emerge and shes too busy crying.

      On the other hand, if Blue discovers Steven has Rose's gemstone, she will obviously kill him.

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    • Garnet could use PD as way to talk to BD and explained that what she was doing to her with ruby is the same.But Garnet has so much hate that she can not see it.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.
      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.
      Unless it's Steven, who could reason with her, introduce her to new ideas, and probably offer himself as a sacrifice to save his friends, and with good reasons for why the sacrifice should happen.
      BD could just take Garnet AND Steven AND send an armanda to destroy what is left of the CG. You can't reason with someone if the facts are against you and you can't negotiate if the person you are negotiating with can just take whatever you have to offer and leave.

      And remember how it worked out for Steven when he told Eyeball that he has Rose's Gemstone?

      You could use trauma to reason with them. Do you expect me to get the Crewniverse to come up with ideas based on Martin Scorsese's adaptation of Shusaku Endo's Silence?

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    • 818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.
      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.
      Unless it's Steven, who could reason with her, introduce her to new ideas, and probably offer himself as a sacrifice to save his friends, and with good reasons for why the sacrifice should happen.
      BD could just take Garnet AND Steven AND send an armanda to destroy what is left of the CG. You can't reason with someone if the facts are against you and you can't negotiate if the person you are negotiating with can just take whatever you have to offer and leave.

      And remember how it worked out for Steven when he told Eyeball that he has Rose's Gemstone?

      You could use trauma to reason with them. Do you expect me to get the Crewniverse to come up with ideas based on Martin Scorsese's adaptation of Shusaku Endo's Silence?

      This is my alternate account to 818260, and I might get some ideas like this. The Japanese shogun shattering gems and executing CG idea believers with them to convince people to severe their ties with that idea, the same ways that they convinced Christians into apostatizing.

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    • Kaden Vanciel wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.
      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.
      Unless it's Steven, who could reason with her, introduce her to new ideas, and probably offer himself as a sacrifice to save his friends, and with good reasons for why the sacrifice should happen.
      BD could just take Garnet AND Steven AND send an armanda to destroy what is left of the CG. You can't reason with someone if the facts are against you and you can't negotiate if the person you are negotiating with can just take whatever you have to offer and leave.
      And remember how it worked out for Steven when he told Eyeball that he has Rose's Gemstone?
      You could use trauma to reason with them. Do you expect me to get the Crewniverse to come up with ideas based on Martin Scorsese's adaptation of Shusaku Endo's Silence?
      This is my alternate account to 818260, and I might get some ideas like this. The Japanese shogun shattering gems and executing CG idea believers with them to convince people to severe their ties with that idea, the same ways that they convinced Christians into apostatizing.

      What the hell is going on here?

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      Kaden Vanciel wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.
      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.
      Unless it's Steven, who could reason with her, introduce her to new ideas, and probably offer himself as a sacrifice to save his friends, and with good reasons for why the sacrifice should happen.
      BD could just take Garnet AND Steven AND send an armanda to destroy what is left of the CG. You can't reason with someone if the facts are against you and you can't negotiate if the person you are negotiating with can just take whatever you have to offer and leave.
      And remember how it worked out for Steven when he told Eyeball that he has Rose's Gemstone?
      You could use trauma to reason with them. Do you expect me to get the Crewniverse to come up with ideas based on Martin Scorsese's adaptation of Shusaku Endo's Silence?
      This is my alternate account to 818260, and I might get some ideas like this. The Japanese shogun shattering gems and executing CG idea believers with them to convince people to severe their ties with that idea, the same ways that they convinced Christians into apostatizing.
      What the hell is going on here?

      Rebecca Sugar based her ideas off of Japanese anime, so I guess I'm gifting the Crewniverse with Scorsese's film that I'm hoping, without getting my hopes too high, would give them ideas to introduce children to the darker tones of the media, kind of like Schindler's List. Also, try looking at a new discussion I created for the ending theme page of this wiki.

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    • Kaden Vanciel wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      Kaden Vanciel wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.
      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.
      Unless it's Steven, who could reason with her, introduce her to new ideas, and probably offer himself as a sacrifice to save his friends, and with good reasons for why the sacrifice should happen.
      BD could just take Garnet AND Steven AND send an armanda to destroy what is left of the CG. You can't reason with someone if the facts are against you and you can't negotiate if the person you are negotiating with can just take whatever you have to offer and leave.
      And remember how it worked out for Steven when he told Eyeball that he has Rose's Gemstone?
      You could use trauma to reason with them. Do you expect me to get the Crewniverse to come up with ideas based on Martin Scorsese's adaptation of Shusaku Endo's Silence?
      This is my alternate account to 818260, and I might get some ideas like this. The Japanese shogun shattering gems and executing CG idea believers with them to convince people to severe their ties with that idea, the same ways that they convinced Christians into apostatizing.
      What the hell is going on here?
      Rebecca Sugar based her ideas off of Japanese anime, so I guess I'm gifting the Crewniverse with Scorsese's film that I'm hoping, without getting my hopes too high, would give them ideas to introduce children to the darker tones of the media, kind of like Schindler's List. Also, try looking at a new discussion I created for the ending theme page of this wiki.

      As I said earlier one of the core philosophies this show is based on is that all is this rather childish notion that all conflicts stem from people having misunderstandings and that all conflicts can be resolved by talking it out, that's why I think that it won't get dark.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      Kaden Vanciel wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      Kaden Vanciel wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Legognocchi101 wrote:
      Sir-Mr-Programmer wrote:
      818260 wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: Jasper will propably be grumpy, because she needs to heal and stuff. Look at how much time Pearl needs to get her feelings figured out.
      How could Garnet help?
      By talk how much she hate blue diamond as  blue diamond cry over about PD shattering .lol
      I'm not sure if that's going to help.
      They might make amends. I wish for Cartoon Universe to challenge AwestruckVox's Garnet v. BD theory, as BD is not as brutal as she seemed, seeing the Out Of This World Stevenbomb.
      I am pretty sure BD would have been very angry if she had meet one of the CG.
      Unless it's Steven, who could reason with her, introduce her to new ideas, and probably offer himself as a sacrifice to save his friends, and with good reasons for why the sacrifice should happen.
      BD could just take Garnet AND Steven AND send an armanda to destroy what is left of the CG. You can't reason with someone if the facts are against you and you can't negotiate if the person you are negotiating with can just take whatever you have to offer and leave.
      And remember how it worked out for Steven when he told Eyeball that he has Rose's Gemstone?
      You could use trauma to reason with them. Do you expect me to get the Crewniverse to come up with ideas based on Martin Scorsese's adaptation of Shusaku Endo's Silence?
      This is my alternate account to 818260, and I might get some ideas like this. The Japanese shogun shattering gems and executing CG idea believers with them to convince people to severe their ties with that idea, the same ways that they convinced Christians into apostatizing.
      What the hell is going on here?
      Rebecca Sugar based her ideas off of Japanese anime, so I guess I'm gifting the Crewniverse with Scorsese's film that I'm hoping, without getting my hopes too high, would give them ideas to introduce children to the darker tones of the media, kind of like Schindler's List. Also, try looking at a new discussion I created for the ending theme page of this wiki.
      As I said earlier one of the core philosophies this show is based on is that all is this rather childish notion that all conflicts stem from people having misunderstandings and that all conflicts can be resolved by talking it out, that's why I think that it won't get dark.

      Just like MLP:FiM.

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    • Snowball where are my wrote: ...I don't like this notion that all evil stems from misunderstanding. Home world seems to be like a Kafkaesk system of rules and hierarchy that leads all Gems including the Diamonds to be evil. The Diamonds are trapped in, it reminds me Kafka's story "Poseidon". To me it's seems like Homeworld is expanding for the sake of expanding and because they just think that that is their purpose. They don't know what else to do. As YD said: "An army has a use. They can go and fight a war. A Sapphire has a use. She can tell you what it's for. An Agate terrifies. A Lapis terraforms. Where's their Diamond when they need her, Blue? You've got to be a leader, Blue! ♪ Yes, of course, we still love her, and we're always thinking of her. But now, there's nothing we can do, so tell me! " The Diamonds are not really free, they are expected to give orders.


      I agree with the first statement. There are a few reasons why some people are seen as irredeemable 1) They are sociopathic, which is a mental disorder. 2) They have been raised to be evil all their lives and are approaching middle age and their neuroplasticity is gone, they are hard to redeem because old habits die hard. 3) They are caught in a situation where the only choice they have is to play a zero-sum or negative-sum game where they HAVE to play to survive or at least possess a modicum of personal happiness or freedom. (they are redeemable if they are removed from the situation, and can learn to adapt, such as Peridot has. Bismuth is not redeemable at this point, on the other hand. But may become so if the situation changes.) 4) Their beliefs are unchangeable (such as some religious beliefs) because nobody who interacts with them knows how to make them take a 'redeemable' perspective.

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    • TigersEye Quartz wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: ...I don't like this notion that all evil stems from misunderstanding. Home world seems to be like a Kafkaesk system of rules and hierarchy that leads all Gems including the Diamonds to be evil. The Diamonds are trapped in, it reminds me Kafka's story "Poseidon". To me it's seems like Homeworld is expanding for the sake of expanding and because they just think that that is their purpose. They don't know what else to do. As YD said: "An army has a use. They can go and fight a war. A Sapphire has a use. She can tell you what it's for. An Agate terrifies. A Lapis terraforms. Where's their Diamond when they need her, Blue? You've got to be a leader, Blue! ♪ Yes, of course, we still love her, and we're always thinking of her. But now, there's nothing we can do, so tell me! " The Diamonds are not really free, they are expected to give orders.

      I agree with the first statement. There are a few reasons why some people are seen as irredeemable 1) They are sociopathic, which is a mental disorder. 2) They have been raised to be evil all their lives and are approaching middle age and their neuroplasticity is gone, they are hard to redeem because old habits die hard. 3) They are caught in a situation where the only choice they have is to play a zero-sum or negative-sum game where they HAVE to play to survive or at least possess a modicum of personal happiness or freedom. (they are redeemable if they are removed from the situation, and can learn to adapt, such as Peridot has. Bismuth is not redeemable at this point, on the other hand. But may become so if the situation changes.) 4) Their beliefs are unchangeable (such as some religious beliefs) because nobody who interacts with them knows how to make them take a 'redeemable' perspective.

      Is it wise for Cartoon Universe, Fictional Crystals, The Roundtable and whatnot to include mental disorders in their SU theory videos? You all should persuade them to. Rebecca Sugar should include mental disorders in her interviews. It might make sense.

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    • Kaden Vanciel wrote:
      TigersEye Quartz wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: ...I don't like this notion that all evil stems from misunderstanding. Home world seems to be like a Kafkaesk system of rules and hierarchy that leads all Gems including the Diamonds to be evil. The Diamonds are trapped in, it reminds me Kafka's story "Poseidon". To me it's seems like Homeworld is expanding for the sake of expanding and because they just think that that is their purpose. They don't know what else to do. As YD said: "An army has a use. They can go and fight a war. A Sapphire has a use. She can tell you what it's for. An Agate terrifies. A Lapis terraforms. Where's their Diamond when they need her, Blue? You've got to be a leader, Blue! ♪ Yes, of course, we still love her, and we're always thinking of her. But now, there's nothing we can do, so tell me! " The Diamonds are not really free, they are expected to give orders.

      I agree with the first statement. There are a few reasons why some people are seen as irredeemable 1) They are sociopathic, which is a mental disorder. 2) They have been raised to be evil all their lives and are approaching middle age and their neuroplasticity is gone, they are hard to redeem because old habits die hard. 3) They are caught in a situation where the only choice they have is to play a zero-sum or negative-sum game where they HAVE to play to survive or at least possess a modicum of personal happiness or freedom. (they are redeemable if they are removed from the situation, and can learn to adapt, such as Peridot has. Bismuth is not redeemable at this point, on the other hand. But may become so if the situation changes.) 4) Their beliefs are unchangeable (such as some religious beliefs) because nobody who interacts with them knows how to make them take a 'redeemable' perspective.
      Is it wise for Cartoon Universe, Fictional Crystals, The Roundtable and whatnot to include mental disorders in their SU theory videos? You all should persuade them to. Rebecca Sugar should include mental disorders in her interviews. It might make sense.

      4. is the only reason that really conflicts with the idea that all evil stems from misunderstanding. A lot of people do evil, because they have different values and don't considered these things evil. Peridot didn't consdiered destroying all organic live on earth and killing all humans evil. She didn't change her mind because someone reasoned with her but because she lived on earth and changed her values. Peridot was lost and impressionable, but if someone is really determined and thing that killing people is a good thing it's not feasible to change his values.

      The important questions here are: What are homeworld values and how hardened are these values?

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    • Snowball where are my wrote:
      Kaden Vanciel wrote:
      TigersEye Quartz wrote:
      Snowball where are my wrote: ...I don't like this notion that all evil stems from misunderstanding. Home world seems to be like a Kafkaesk system of rules and hierarchy that leads all Gems including the Diamonds to be evil. The Diamonds are trapped in, it reminds me Kafka's story "Poseidon". To me it's seems like Homeworld is expanding for the sake of expanding and because they just think that that is their purpose. They don't know what else to do. As YD said: "An army has a use. They can go and fight a war. A Sapphire has a use. She can tell you what it's for. An Agate terrifies. A Lapis terraforms. Where's their Diamond when they need her, Blue? You've got to be a leader, Blue! ♪ Yes, of course, we still love her, and we're always thinking of her. But now, there's nothing we can do, so tell me! " The Diamonds are not really free, they are expected to give orders.

      I agree with the first statement. There are a few reasons why some people are seen as irredeemable 1) They are sociopathic, which is a mental disorder. 2) They have been raised to be evil all their lives and are approaching middle age and their neuroplasticity is gone, they are hard to redeem because old habits die hard. 3) They are caught in a situation where the only choice they have is to play a zero-sum or negative-sum game where they HAVE to play to survive or at least possess a modicum of personal happiness or freedom. (they are redeemable if they are removed from the situation, and can learn to adapt, such as Peridot has. Bismuth is not redeemable at this point, on the other hand. But may become so if the situation changes.) 4) Their beliefs are unchangeable (such as some religious beliefs) because nobody who interacts with them knows how to make them take a 'redeemable' perspective.
      Is it wise for Cartoon Universe, Fictional Crystals, The Roundtable and whatnot to include mental disorders in their SU theory videos? You all should persuade them to. Rebecca Sugar should include mental disorders in her interviews. It might make sense.
      4. is the only reason that really conflicts with the idea that all evil stems from misunderstanding. A lot of people do evil, because they have different values and don't considered these things evil. Peridot didn't consdiered destroying all organic live on earth and killing all humans evil. She didn't change her mind because someone reasoned with her but because she lived on earth and changed her values. Peridot was lost and impressionable, but if someone is really determined and thing that killing people is a good thing it's not feasible to change his values.

      The important questions here are: What are homeworld values and how hardened are these values?

      How do we know that last part?