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  • This is not a rant. I know there have been some really great episodes like "Last One Out of Beach City", "Mindful Education",  the episodes from the last Steven bomb and many more.

    But there are also some episodes that are kinda meh, where the plot has major errors and leads to weird conlusions that are just false, like "Rocknaldo" and "Onion Gang". And sometimes they are just boring like "Future Boy Zoltron"

    In Rocknaldo they allow Ranaldo to join them and then make him stay in the house for days without training him or anything, allow him to not sleep and then wonder why he gets cranky. You either allow someone to join your team you send him home. And the lesson is supposed to be that Steven is too nice and must learn to stand up for himself. Steven can stand up for himself, he fought monsters, yelled at the CGs without apologising and defided Garnets orders in "Steven's Dream"

    And Onion Gang is just Onion and his friends doing weird stuff and then Steven realizes that he is the one who has no friends. Steven has friends, every third episode is about him making a new friend.

    I sometimes feel that these episodes were writen for a different season and they recycled the script. That would explain a lot. There was a time when Steven didn't had a lot of friends and couldn't stand up for himself.

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    • IIRC Lauren Zuke confirmed that the SU writers don't really talk to each other to keep things consistent in a Tumblr post. Only heard that from a retired staff member without some source to verify it, so if anyone has it, that is cool.

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    • I think at the start of the show the episodes were much more selfcontained and independed, so it wouldn't have been a problem if they writers hadn't talked to each other.

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    • I thought it was Adventure Time that had Lemon centered episodes?

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    • Ronaldo Smith wrote:
      I thought it was Adventure Time that had Lemon centered episodes?

      ACCEPTABLE

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      Y'know, Ronaldo, I didn't think it possible (as I'm already quite fond of you indeed) but I find myself liking you more and more for each post of yours I read.

      Love ya, man.

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    • Back at you, Strong.

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    • I'm not sure I agree about everything your saying, Steven has friends, yes, but he can't always see them because he doesn't have to go to school, unlike Connie. And most of his other friends seem old enough to have other pressing matters like jobs.

      Also I'm curious why you felt that way about 'Future Boy Zoltron' and 'Onion Gang'. I though those episodes developed Mr Smiley and Onion's character's well respectively.

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    • I personally can't stand Mr. Smiley nowadays since they ruined him for me by changing the voice actor. Every new appearance is just a bittersweet reminder of how great the character used to be.

      I still find myself singing "Do or Donut" in the shower and stuff. Aww... now I made myself sad.

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    • Well I'm sure there's an important reason why they did that, can't really fault the voice actors for it, its just their jobs.

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    • DeDelivers wrote:
      Well I'm sure there's an important reason why they did that, can't really fault the voice actors for it, its just their jobs.


      Nah, I don't blame them. Sinbad is a comedian primarily and not a voice actor so he probably didn't have time to reprise his role. Still, doesn't change how I feel about the end result. Sinbad was simply perfect in the role. Sinbad-Smiley is just a joy to behold whenever he is on the screen.

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    • Is it bad that I never really noticed that change?

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    • DeDelivers wrote:
      Is it bad that I never really noticed that change?

      Well, go back and watch those early Mr. Smiley episodes. Particularly the one in which he sings the Do-or-Donut song. Then watch the later ones.

      Sinbad brought such a perfect voice, as well as a very positive vibe to the character that the new guy just can't match.

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    • Meh, in a show like this there tends to be some episodes that aren't as exciting. At least they try and make each episdoe about something.

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    • "Fusion Cusine" was a "lemon" episode as well. The amout of plot-holes in it...

      1) Why didn't Connie just tell her mom Rose was dead? If she asks why, she could just say she died in childbirth.

      2) Connies mom already heard Garnes voicet on the phone, so shouldn't she be the most logical choice for pretending to be Stevens mom?

      3) They get the gems to fuse?Yeah because everyones mom is a 50 foot tall, six armed monster with two mouths.

      4} WHAT THE HELL STEVEN! You were realy going to run away from home and never return!? I know you love Connie, but shouldn't your FAMILY be highter on you list of priorities! No wonder they grounded you from T.V. for 1000 years! (which is my next piont)

      5) 1000 years? Seriously? The gems I can understand since they don't have a sence of human lifespan. But Why did Greg agree to this? Steven my be half Gem, but that dosn't garentee a long lifespan. Greg might as well of said "You can never watch T.V. again even long after I'm dead and until you die of old age.... assuming you will".

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    • Because Steven and the Gems are all extremely inept when it comes to social interactions like that. Steven may be human, but he is pretty damn isolated from the rest of humanity - especially when it comes to adult-on-adult interactions. You have to remember that the entire episode is based on his idea and concept of adult interactions. The Gems, well, they are Gems - they didn't have a clue either. Steven did what in his mind made the most sense (and yes, that would involve having a gigantic monster be his mother, lol) and the Gems simply went along with it to humour him as they had no idea either.

      Really, the only one you can put blame on is Greg. He's the only one of the bunch who should've had the sense to go "Ok, guys just stop with this fusion idea - it is crazy. I'll just explain everything to Connie's parents and it will be fine. Trust me." As a relatively normal human adult, he should've know how insane Steven's idea was.

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    • LapisLazuliisthebest wrote: "Fusion Cusine" was a "lemon" episode as well. The amout of plot-holes in it...

      1) Why didn't Connie just tell her mom Rose was dead? If she asks why, she could just say she died in childbirth.

      2) Connies mom already heard Garnes voicet on the phone, so shouldn't she be the most logical choice for pretending to be Stevens mom?

      3) They get the gems to fuse?Yeah because everyones mom is a 50 foot tall, six armed monster with two mouths.

      4} WHAT THE HELL STEVEN! You were realy going to run away from home and never return!? I know you love Connie, but shouldn't your FAMILY be highter on you list of priorities! No wonder they grounded you from T.V. for 1000 years! (which is my next piont)

      5) 1000 years? Seriously? The gems I can understand since they don't have a sence of human lifespan. But Why did Greg agree to this? Steven my be half Gem, but that dosn't garentee a long lifespan. Greg might as well of said "You can never watch T.V. again even long after I'm dead and until you die of old age.... assuming you will".

      1) She was likely nervous of what they'd say since Steven is growing up in a blended family, not a typical nuclear one. And with her parents she probably isn't the liar type. Rose wasn't married to Greg and Greg lives in his van so she'd probably have to explain it and it'd make them look worse. Personally a smarter option would've been having garnet go with amethyst and Pearl as Opal and they could very easily explain that one is the mom and the other is his aunt. Her parents are very strict. She's never had a friend before and she's worried they wouldn't let her see Steven again but in nightmare hospital we do learn that her mother doesn't really care what Connie does so long as she is honest and stays safe. If Connie just explained that rose was gone and Steven was living with her extended family they might be a little judgmental but so long as Steven wasn't in a gang or anything like that they likely wouldn't mind.

      2) Steven doesn't think it'd be fair to bring only garnet. It was established in the beginning that he views each of the gems as his mother in a sense (in a sense though it's more, mom, aunt/big cousin you look up to, big sister) and saw it as unfair to bring only one, especially since each one could mess up the night. Garnet was terrible at conversation with people she didn't know personally, amethyst is a slob that'd likely offend them, and Pearl doesn't like food so she couldn't attend the dinner. Yeah garnet would probably be the best but not at conversation and/or lying since the entire dinner would likely be just one big lie.

      3) The parents not caring about alexandrite to me is probably a joke on how the people of earth are so accepting and caring that nothing fazes them so a Godzilla/Bigfoot monster can stand outside your porch and ask for a cup of sugar and they'd just smile and nod. When the ocean disappeared nobody was really shocked as to why it happened or how it would affect them only upset that it'd ruin tourist season. Or a bunch of cluster gems lying on the side of the road to them are car accident victims even if they lack faces. It's rule of funny; like stewie on family guy drawing a picture of him hurting Lois and the only actual concern somebody would have would be that Peter wasn't in it.

      4) at this point of the series Steven is pretty naive and innocent, and keep in mind he's only a kid and a teenager at that. They're prone to mistakes. Indeed Steven's major flaw is that he sees the earth in black and white i.e. he sees Jasper (who is more or less a gem who's suffering because she's trying to do her job) as an evil monster but sees lapis (who tried to steal the ocean, drown him and the cg and Connie and feel little remorse for it and break his father's leg) as a good person. He didn't think it through and again it was probably intended for humor.

      5) gems don't really have a concept of age the same way they don't have a concept of down time, individuality, etc. and gems can't die from aging. Remember that pearl acted like taking Steven away for 50 years to space is the same as taking him to Disney world for a week or being only a few thousand years old when she joined rose is the same as being a teenager. So to Pearl 1000 years isn't that long a time and she does have a penchant for being dramatic. To garnet she likely just meant Steven couldn't watch tv until he proved he could behave, and greg just assumed they were joking.

      Yeah the episode doesn't make much sense but remember it's an emotional funny episode and one of my favorites. It's rule of funny, meaning that you can kinda take logic away for the plot sake. On victorious, jade stealing Tori's blood would get her sent to prison but in the show they just pass it off as her being a bully because of rule of funny or in spongebob plankton selling chum likely would've gotten him closed a long time ago but rule of funny keeps him open.

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    • As for the number of lemon episodes i think the roundtable perfectly explained why. The show itself is a plot heavy slice of life show kinda like teen Titans or avatar where there's a plot each season but downtime like the Titans try to find a way to stop the joker but at the same time decide which kind of pizza to order. So of course half the season is going to be plot heavy while the other half is steven running around beach city.

      And in writing when you do something extreme you usually have to keep the audience by adding something light. After Duncan dies in Macbeth the next scene is a comical one. We got 5 heavy extreme episodes so the only option is a few slice of life episodes.

      Also, this season wasn't supposed to be season 4 it was meant to be 3A. In season 1A, the plot was more filler and in season 1B it was more plot heavy. Next season will likely be more plot heavy as a result since season 2 was pretty filler with some plot and season 3 was mostly plot.

      And remembers we are getting it aired weekly, where there's buildup and thinking. You might think the kindergarten kid will teach us more about the beta kindergarten or a new gem but it turns out just to be a funny episode about peri. Of course you'd get annoyed at it because you thought it'd be so good. But if you were to binge watch it on Hulu it wouldn't have the same effect because there was no buildup to it or hype since it already aired. The pacing in the arcs are sporadic because we might wait half a season for the gems to get rid of the cluster and it's gone in one episode, which you might find a little forced or contrived but if you binge watch it, where you can watch probably a hundred episodes a day, you don't get the same effect. With a show like this it's hard but you gotta pull through.

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