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  • So a few days ago I got this message on my wall from a member of Fandom:

    Hey Piierogii! I'm Jamie from FANDOM's Community Development team! Not sure if we never asked you if you are interested in turning on the Discussions feature for this community, and migrating the Threaded Forums across as well.

    In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. Discussions also links with our FANDOM Apps, which this community has and it allows app users to easily take part in Discussions as well. You can read more about Discussions here.

    For more information on migrating forums to Discussions, you can check out this blog over on Community Central that explains everything in detail.

    If you have some concerns, Discussions, and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. However, eventually all Forums will be migrated over to Discussions and Forums will be sunsetted as a feature, so getting ahead of the curve is never a bad idea.

    This leaves me with a decision that will change the format of the wiki. It will be a big change, and I know to do so without consulting you first would be a bad move, since by the sounds of it, it's irreversible. So, once you've read the message above, please can you express your thoughts on the changes. If we do this now, we will no longer have forums in the near future. This will happen anyway, but I still want to hear your thoughts on the matter, since you all use this website as much as me, and it will affect you just as much.

    Once we've discussed it here, I will then discuss it with the staff to decide when we want these changes implemented, so please let your voice be heard now.

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    • Hmm it doesn't seem like too big a deal, however will all of our conversations be moved to Discussions or will they cease to exist? Because we had some pretty funny conversations. Edit: Nevermind I actually clicked the links and we should be fine

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    • i will put this as blunt as possible

      I have seen what this feature does to a wiki's forums and I am NOT impressed. This one wiki has moved over to discussions and to see a mention of the show is a rarity.

      The discussion board for this wiki has become an almost social media like setting. There have been issues of underaged users now accessing the wiki through the FANDOM app and sharing personal details (pictures of themselves, their schools, etc...) because they don't understand the risks of having an online presence.

      I have heard that it also hinders a moderators ability to delete any posts, instead make them private. I see no reason for our wiki to adopt this feature, the influx of off-topic posts, violations of the under 13 rule. I believe the connection through the FANDOM app brings off-wiki editors into the wiki, Steven Universe is a big show with a large underaged following, this would cause chaos for the administration of this wiki to control the influx of off-wiki commenters, which I have clearly seen to be an issue on other wikis.

      I strongly oppose this change and hope that FANDOM never phases out the forums.

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    • True, and there's no real way to tell when people reply to posts with the discussion thing since I'm pretty sure it doesn't appear in recent wiki activity. Maybe first Fandom should fix how discussions work.

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    • CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      i will put this as blunt as possible

      I have seen what this feature does to a wiki's forums and I am NOT impressed. This one wiki has moved over to discussions and to see a mention of the show is a rarity.

      The discussion board for this wiki has become an almost social media like setting. There have been issues of underaged users now accessing the wiki through the FANDOM app and sharing personal details (pictures of themselves, their schools, etc...) because they don't understand the risks of having an online presence.

      I have heard that it also hinders a moderators ability to delete any posts, instead make them private. I see no reason for our wiki to adopt this feature, the influx of off-topic posts, violations of the under 13 rule. I believe the connection through the FANDOM app brings off-wiki editors into the wiki, Steven Universe is a big show with a large underaged following, this would cause chaos for the administration of this wiki to control the influx of off-wiki commenters, which I have clearly seen to be an issue on other wikis.

      I strongly oppose this change and hope that FANDOM never phases out the forums.

      I wasn't sure what to think about the Discussions feature, but I personally certainly don't want this Wiki to end up with social media in it, and I am massively against the idea of a huge group of underaged users (and vandals)  being allowed on the Wiki and causing massive trouble for the administration (and everyone else), so, until I see evidence to oppose this, I am also against this feature.

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    • Oh, and the whole 'sharing personal details' thing sounds extremely dangerous, I didn't see that at first, I'm now even more against this feature. It doesn't sound like it would benefit the Wiki in the slightest, what good would it do?

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    • Yeah and some of the wikis I see with discussions don't really have a lot of content on their pages like the DC comics Wiki. not sure if that's related but still

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    • If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Yeah and some of the wikis I see with discussions don't really have a lot of content on their pages like the DC comics Wiki. not sure if that's related but still

      I feel that discussions overtakes the actual content of the wiki and it is turned more into a social media platform rather than an information platform

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    • I've never been a fan of Discussions in the first place. I say keep the forums and don't add discussions until FANDOM improves upon it.

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    • Piierogii wrote:

      Steven Bomb 17 wrote: Yeah and some of the wikis I see with discussions don't really have a lot of content on their pages like the DC comics Wiki. not sure if that's related but still

      I feel that discussions overtakes the actual content of the wiki and it is turned more into a social media platform rather than an information platform

      Exactly, I mean I know editing is hard but there's DC comic pages that haven't even been made or filled with content. Let's keep discussions out.

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    • Yeah, on the Miraculous Ladybug wiki it's really just young user chatting with each other and posting fanart or illegal links to episodes. It isn't really used for anything at all. Forum is much better and I prefer it. Don't use discussions.

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    • So it's settled, we politely tell the staff why discussions aren't any good

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    • So we keep the forums. 

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    • SpaceWonder4 wrote:
      So we keep the forums. 

      Not quite Space, first we have to convice Fandom to fix discussions. Like the post says they're getting rid of forums anyways so we have to somehow convince them that discussions is not a good idea.

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    • Apollo C Vermouth wrote:
      If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

      Agreed.

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    • I say we keep the forums. I have experience with using discussion in Villains wiki and it was pretty bad. Hopefully we always use forums to discuss anything.

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    • We can all agree to keep forums, but unfortunately, they plan to eventually remove all forums and introduce discussions.

      something no one's looking forward to.

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    • CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      We can all agree to keep forums, but unfortunately, they plan to eventually remove all forums and introduce discussions.

      something no one's looking forward to.

      We need to somehow convince them that that's a bad idea

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    • I'd also like to take the time to point out that discussions doesn't not support things such as:

      • Links other than a full link ([[Pearl]], for example, doesn't work)
      • Templates
      • Quoting/Replying/Mentions/Pings
      • Basic formatting (such as bold, strikeout, etc)
      • Highlighting (that thing where we make everyone get a notification for a thread)
      • You can't see discussions in RecentChanges/WikiActivity
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    • Exactly and just watching random comments and edits is boring.

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    • Discussions is highly impractical and forum is great. I highly doubt we can convince FANDOM to get rid of Discussions, but hopefully they will let us keep forum (foreverrrrr). 

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      • returns from the abyss*

      “Discussion vs Forums”

      ........Clearly one is better than the other, so why even start this?

      (Forums is better.)

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    • I prefer fourms because discussions don't allow fandom users. I know many great fandom users with reasons they cannot make accounts. 

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    • Radioactivity1659 wrote: I prefer fourms because discussions don't allow fandom users. I know many great fandom users with reasons they cannot make accounts. 

      Uh, we have anon editing disabled here, so anon users can't use fourms either...

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    • Until the feature improves I'd rather not see it here.

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    • I'm on the overwatch wiki and they have discussions and I have to say, it's pretty uhhh, how do I say it? Lame(sorry any1 who likes discussions)? So yeah forums are way better (for me and probably for most of the users on this wiki).

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    • I'm also certain this feature will remove commenting on pages.

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    • Oh no! 

      Please don't change it and keep the forums. 

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    • WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!?!

      OH MY HOMEWORLD

      I can imagine AJCW freaking out already. This is gonna be the worst for them

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    • CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      I'm also certain this feature will remove commenting on pages.


      I know a few wikis with only discussions and still have comments. So you're probably wrong there.

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    • MeowGatoLover wrote:

      CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      I'm also certain this feature will remove commenting on pages.


      I know a few wikis with only discussions and still have comments. So you're probably wrong there.

      They intend to fully replace everything with discussions eventually.

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    • Sophiedp wrote:

      MeowGatoLover wrote:

      CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      I'm also certain this feature will remove commenting on pages.

      I know a few wikis with only discussions and still have comments. So you're probably wrong there.
      They intend to fully replace everything with discussions eventually.

      But then Wikia will just be another social media site, this is as close as I ever want to get to social media

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Sophiedp wrote:

      MeowGatoLover wrote:


      CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      I'm also certain this feature will remove commenting on pages.

      I know a few wikis with only discussions and still have comments. So you're probably wrong there.
      They intend to fully replace everything with discussions eventually.
      But then Wikia will just be another social media site, this is as close as I ever want to get to social media

      I've personally seen a lot of wikis that have seldom information and I don't want this wiki to become one. I want this to be a wiki with good merits as far as information is concerned and not another cheap knockoff that is more concerned with social media then real info (that is what we have Facebook, Snapchat, and Instagram for). Based on my personal experience with wikis with discussions instead of forums, I strongly oppose replacing forums with discussions and urge the FANDOM team not to do it.

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    • eh,idk discusion was such a big part of this wiki and most wikis,it probably should stay

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    • Hito7187199 wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Sophiedp wrote:

      MeowGatoLover wrote:


      CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      I'm also certain this feature will remove commenting on pages.

      I know a few wikis with only discussions and still have comments. So you're probably wrong there.
      They intend to fully replace everything with discussions eventually.
      But then Wikia will just be another social media site, this is as close as I ever want to get to social media
      I've personally seen a lot of wikis that have seldom information and I don't want this wiki to become one. I want this to be a wiki with good merits as far information is concerned and not another cheap knockoff that is more concerned with social media then real info (that is what he have Facebook, Snapchat, and Instagram are for). Based on my personal experience with wikis with discussions instead of forums, I strongly oppose replacing forums with discussions and urge the FANDOM team not to do it.

      Agreed, we need to somehow convince Fandom not to do this. It'll do more harm than good.

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    • SomnoticAgama wrote:
      CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      i will put this as blunt as possible

      I have seen what this feature does to a wiki's forums and I am NOT impressed. This one wiki has moved over to discussions and to see a mention of the show is a rarity.

      The discussion board for this wiki has become an almost social media like setting. There have been issues of underaged users now accessing the wiki through the FANDOM app and sharing personal details (pictures of themselves, their schools, etc...) because they don't understand the risks of having an online presence.

      I have heard that it also hinders a moderators ability to delete any posts, instead make them private. I see no reason for our wiki to adopt this feature, the influx of off-topic posts, violations of the under 13 rule. I believe the connection through the FANDOM app brings off-wiki editors into the wiki, Steven Universe is a big show with a large underaged following, this would cause chaos for the administration of this wiki to control the influx of off-wiki commenters, which I have clearly seen to be an issue on other wikis.

      I strongly oppose this change and hope that FANDOM never phases out the forums.

      I wasn't sure what to think about the Discussions feature, but I personally certainly don't want this Wiki to end up with social media in it, and I am massively against the idea of a huge group of underaged users (and vandals)  being allowed on the Wiki and causing massive trouble for the administration (and everyone else), so, until I see evidence to oppose this, I am also against this feature.

      I 100% agree with you.

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    • As an admin from the Miraculous Ladybug Wiki, a wiki that somehow ended up with Discussions while still thankfully having the forums intact, I strongly agree with CrystalMomSquad's complaints and concerns (although I haven't heard of any issues with the comment sections being removed). Discussions feels like a different entity from the wiki, and it feels harder to manage. The wiki I'm on has much less staff, but even as one person checking on there, it's frustrating keeping an eye on it. Underage users, real-life photos, links to illegal sources...  Yeah, it's all common problems. What frustrates me the most is I'm not even sure how many people realize there is a message section of their walls on the actual wiki whenever I send out warnings because most users never edit or interact wtih the actual wiki.

      Don't get me wrong, the forums have their own flaws and need for improvements. However, I don't see Discussions being the right replacement for the issues of the forums, and I recommend avoiding this transition as long as possible, something I wish the wiki I'm on had been able to.

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    • Just going to leave this here Help:Discussions_FAQ#Connections_to_the_wiki_portion_of_a_community

      Also when wikia says you can "delete" something, they actually mean that it's hidden from regular users, but admins and forum mods can still see it.

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    • CrystalMomSquad wrote:
      I'm also certain this feature will remove commenting on pages.

      No, please NOOOO

      R.I.P FORUM

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    • Greetings,

      My wiki has only 26 users and 73 pages, and has had discussions enabled since it was created just shy of a year ago, and to be honest, I am not impressed with it and fail to see what it has to offer to any community, especially an established one like this.

      Upon clicking "discuss" in the navbar, I see a very brightly lit loading screen, which loads for about three seconds, which is slow for a program whose information is stored entirely in the cloud, and once it finally loads, the design transforms back into the main wiki's, which for novice computer users, might be a disorienting experience.

      Being a software consultant, I am not so much burdened by this awkward behavior, but I am more shocked by how a ton of traffic on my wiki, including a few instances of flame wars, got completely unnoticed by our current staff of about three users.

      Updates in discussions are not synced with my email, they do not appear on recent activity, and I feel as though it might present a challenge for the types of admins and moderators who routinely check on wiki activity, rather than opening what appears to be a completely different program, totally severed from the community.

      This reminded me of the old maps feature, which was removed from a separate wiki I worked with because vandals would upload porn and go unnoticed for months.

      To compensate for the lack of attentiveness, you'd have to recruit moderators who not only know how to use the discussions, but use the discussions, which is hard to do as instead of contributions like almost every promotional system on Wikia... ahem, FANDOM... is, you would have to use some sort of "reputation" system like you would see on Reddit, which can possibly be spoofed by alternate accounts or user popularity.

      It could turn promotions into a popularity decision, which as we know, is not always the best means of deciding who a community needs to moderate them. Additionally, when trying to find someone in the discussions to help moderate for us, my team and I noticed most people using discussions where underaged, which I can say for certain would be the case for this wiki too.

      Nothing can stop what FANDOM will do, but that doesn't mean we can't be prepared.

      P.S. page comments won't be removed by discussions, my wiki still has them.

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    • Maybe if we all get together we can get a mass protest going. Nothing dramatic just a list of all problems with discussions.

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Maybe if we all get together we can get a mass protest going. Nothing dramatic just a list of all problems with discussions.

      Somehow, I feel like they'll just say they're aware of all these problems or they're going to add better versions. :(

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    • Filip of Mount Honora wrote:
      Steven Bomb 17 wrote:
      Maybe if we all get together we can get a mass protest going. Nothing dramatic just a list of all problems with discussions.
      Somehow, I feel like they'll just say they're aware of all these problems or they're going to add better versions. :(

      If they're gonna make better versions that why not make them now before forcing them onto us?

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    • Their pushiness to get it working with SU wiki shows they're looking to improve it before making their decision final. I don't think protests will stop its perpetuation, but they will definitely enjoy the feedback.

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    • NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOO I DO NOT WANT DISCUSSIONS THEY SUCK AND R BAD WITH LAYOUT AND ARE LAGGY AND I HATE THEM JUST USE FORUMS PLZ
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    • Hey, I'm just coming in from another wiki that uses both Discussion and Forums. I'd advise against it, simply because Forums can do so much more than Discussions. You can bold, italicize, and underline here... none of which are available with Discussions. 

      All in all, I'm not too sure why Fandom implemented the changes, but they aren't too good. If they changed Forums to be able to do a couple of the things Discussions could do, it'd be much better. 

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    • A FANDOM user
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