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  • CrystalMomSquad
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    23:51, April 6, 2018

    Just wondering why the info I added to Martha and Dante's Trivia sections were removed.

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    • Because it had little relevance to the actual article itself

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    • Except for the fact that Lars died and was brought back to life... and Martha and Dante are Lars' parents...

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    • No, just because of coincidences does not mean it's intended. Sorry.

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    • Lars' death was planned since 2013, and his name (according to his own Trivia section) means "tears of love". 

      By your logic, the fact that Barriga means "belly" has no relavence to either Lars or his parents and should be removed.

      The fact that Lars' parents' names are so fitting is basically proof enough that they were named intentionally after Martha of Bethany and Dante Alighieri. If you still disagree, may we bring this issue up with another Admin or someone else?

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    • That's not proof. There's proof their last name is belly in other languages, it's called translation, therefore a relevant piece of trivia that can be proved.

      Sorry, it's a no still.

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    • Then, again, I'd like to request that this issue be brought up with another Admin, because Martha and Dante's first names are much more relavent than their last name meaning "belly". Why are their first names less credible than Lars' first name meaning "tears of love", when as far as I know, there hasn't been confirmation from the Crew that that was intentional either?

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    • CrystalMomSquad wrote: That's not proof. There's proof their last name is belly in other languages, it's called translation, therefore a relevant piece of trivia that can be proved.

      I support CrystalMomSquad's argument here. I'm sorry about any upset this issue has caused.

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    • Shrug
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    • So I'd like to ask why Barriga's name meaning is more "relavent" and "credible", and why Lars' first name is more "relavent" and "credible" when, again, I see no proof that it was intentional either.

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    • Because it's trivia, and it's trivia with proof.

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    • 1. Trivia, exactly. Coincidence or not, it's Trivia information.

      2. I'm sorry, what proof exists that Laramie was an intentional naming choice? If you'll look at the section of Lars' Trivia section that discusses his first name, I see no citation leading to a tweet or an interview where a Crew member has explicitly stated that they gave Lars that name on purpose. If you cannot provide it, then there is no difference between his first name and those of his parents.

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    • He was called Laramie in the show?

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    • Y'all really wildin' out here for these bible trivias

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    • Garr9988 wrote: 2. I'm sorry, what proof exists that Laramie was an intentional naming choice? If you'll look at the section of Lars' Trivia section that discusses his first name, I see no citation leading to a tweet or an interview where a Crew member has explicitly stated that they gave Lars that name on purpose. If you cannot provide it, then there is no difference between his first name and those of his parents.


      its funny, parents usually intend to name their children

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    • I mean, has it been stated anywhere that Lars was given his name with that very specific and appropriate etymology by the Crew? If not, why is his name Trivia given more precedence than those of his parents, despite having the same amount of "proof" (aka, none at all from the Crew)? I don't appreciate the attitude, Piierogii.

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    • We're not adding your hardly related trivia. Suck it up and move on.

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    • Hardly related? Martha was the sister of a Biblical character that was resurrected when Jesus, literally, wept. Lars (which also sounds similar to Lazarus) was brought back to life when Steven cried onto him. And my question regarding Lars' first name and its proof hasn't been answered, which comes off as immensely rude and strange considering you're both wiki officials.

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    • Martha isn't the one that died, Lars was called by his full name on the show

      Please it's two sentences at the bottom of a page it's not that big of a deal

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    • It's a coincidence, unless you can get a crewniverse member to confirm it, it's a no.

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    • Accepting Your Death
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    • 1. I never said Martha died, and yes, I full well know that Lars was called Laramie in an episode. Martha was also called by her first name, along with her husband, at some point. Martha of Bethany wasn't the one who died either, but she was related to Lazarus, the one that did.

      2. It does seem a bit of a big deal when equivalent information (Lars' first name and the Barriga family name) are given more "credence" despite having no Crew proof of their own either. 

      3. If Laramie meaning "tears of death" is considered good enough to be worth keeping on Lars' page, a name given to Lars by the Crew when creating his character, but has no citation to an interview with or a tweet by the Crew, why is that considered more credible and considered to have more "proof" if, again, there is no official proof? I keep asking this question because I'm honestly confused, but nobody seems to be giving an actual answer.

      4. I Tweeted Raven Molissee, the writer for The New Lars, about Martha and Dante's names. I don't expect to get a reply, but it's better than nothing.

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    • Sharayna wrote:

      Please it's two sentences at the bottom of a page it's not that big of a deal

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    • And forgive me for treating this as a "big deal" when, for some strange reason, information with the same caliber as information already on this wiki is immediately removed. It makes no sense from a logical standpoint because there's no legitimate reasoning behind it.

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    • wow, I've never seen such rude admins before....

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    • You should check out the Lucky 2003 wikia

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    • Affectos wrote: wow, I've never seen such rude admins before....

      We only respond in this tone if it is suited to the situation. If the person is refusing to co-operate, then we must be more blunt and forceful in how we speak. Chasing a matter as trivial as this (no pun intended) in circles is not seen as a priority for the staff team at this time, and we want to solve the matter quickly and efficiently.

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    • That doesn't exactly excuse the rudeness towards Garr here, considering he appears to have been calm about this while the admins are behaving rude and childish with the use of memes and gifs.

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    • My thoughts exactly - I just didn't think I should risk calling them out on it without the risk of getting unjustly banned.

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    • I mean the thread should have ended after the first to third reply, but they continued to push it after two administrators said no. I don't think anything else is really going to convince them so I don't see a point why this thread should be taken seriously anymore.

      Hope this helps and hope you have a wonderful day!

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    • I think I just fail to understand why something as simple as their name origins is something that is quickly removed.  It's not hurting anyone, it's not false (if Garr's research holds up), and could provide a small piece of insight if anything.  Is it worth dragging this out when the trivia isn't harming anyone?

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    • Garr9988 wrote: And my question regarding Lars' first name and its proof hasn't been answered, which comes off as immensely rude and strange considering you're both wiki officials.

      http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/The_New_Lars/Transcript

      This episode was written by the crew, they consciously added this in as part of the scripting. The trivia point also states could meaning that it is not confirmed, but we are speaking from a hypothetical point of view. The name 'Laramie' translated bears a direct link to Lars a character. If you can successfully prove that his parent's names hold a similar significant link to his character, the edit will be re-reviewed.

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    • As for the use of gifs and memes, I have never encountered such unprofessional behavior from any other wiki staff, ever. It is extremely disappointing to see.

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    • Affectos wrote: I think I just fail to understand why something as simple as their name origins is something that is quickly removed.  It's not hurting anyone, it's not false (if Garr's research holds up), and could provide a small piece of insight if anything.  Is it worth dragging this out when the trivia isn't harming anyone?

      We have given the editors liberty to edit trivia freely in the past and it has resulted in many pointless points being added to articles. We have hence decided to crack down on the content put into these articles, and moderate them carefully.

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    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante_Alighieri

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy

      Those are the Wikipedia articles relating to Martha and Dante's first names. If I use these as citations (which themselves have their own citations and sources, such as the Bible and Divine Comedy themselves), and rewrite the information as more speculative than outright confirmed (such as the use of "could", for example), would that be allowed?

      Once again, Martha of Bethany was the sister of Lazarus , a Biblical figure who was resurrected by Jesus (the section of the Bible dealing with his resurrection includes the now-famous phrase, "Jesus wept."). Martha Barriga is the mother of Laramie Barriga, who was resurrected by Steven (by his tears), who (coincidentally or not) has some minor parallels to Jesus himself.

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    • I see, well, I hope you keep the re-evaluation oppritunity for Garr avalible.

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    • I would also like to clarify that I myself am an Admin on two other wikis, and have had to deal with trolls, actual misinformation, profanity, and bullying before. Before I make any sort of edit to a page on any wiki, I always make sure to do my research and double check that research before I make my edit, specifically to make sure I'm not also spreading misinformation or making a mistake.

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    • Affectos wrote: wow, I've never seen such rude admins before....

      Garr9988 wrote: As for the use of gifs and memes, I have never encountered such unprofessional behavior from any other wiki staff, ever. It is extremely disappointing to see.

      Sorry if you feel offended by the responses in this thread. But you must understand that once an administrator has given an ultimate decision and someone refuses to stop arguing with them if you don't have respect for the administrator's decision then any entitlement the other party has to respect goes too.

      We have tried our utmost best to handle this situation with a professional standard you may expect.

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    • Look, what you're adding is not something confirmed by the crew - it could just be a coincidence in the same way that it could not be - so we cannot add it to an article trying to be as accurate to what the show presents as possible. It's as simple as that, regardless of our differing opinions.

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    • I'm sorry, even though I kept pressing the issue, I still made sure I was speaking to you respectfully and calmly. I refused to resort to screaming, insults, or even gifs and memes. If I had been openly disrespectful or hostile, then maybe I would understand, but Admins must be the better person in all other circumstances.

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    • From Bismuth's page:

      "When Bismuth was asking about other Crystal Gems, she lists a few, one of which is named "Crazy Lace". This might be a reference to the character Aduba plays in the show above. At the same time, Crazy Lace is also a variety of agate."

      From Garnet's page:

      "Garnet may be based on the Hindu deity, Ardhanarishvara:

      • Like the deity, Garnet is first depicted, chronologically as half-blue and half-red. They also share the third eye, which is located at the same place: the center of the forehead.
      • The feminine half is to the left while the right is masculine, this is shown through the locations of Ruby and Sapphire's gemstones.
      • Like Garnet, Ardhanarishvara was made through the love of two beings (Shiva & Parvati). They were so in love that they never wanted to be two separate beings ever again.
      • They are also depicted as the union between opposites. In Garnet's case, she balances Ruby's active and fiery behavior with Sapphire's cold and passive attitude."

      Forgive me if I'm wrong, but none of this information was "confirmed" by the Crew, a VA, or anyone really - it's just as much "speculation" as the name information of Lars and his parents.

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    • Garr9988 wrote: I'm sorry, even though I kept pressing the issue, I still made sure I was speaking to you respectfully and calmly. I refused to resort to screaming, insults, or even gifs and memes. If I had been openly disrespectful or hostile, then maybe I would understand, but Admins must be the better person in all other circumstances.

      I am not obligated by any contract or terms of condition in my adminship to have to always keep a 'the customer is always right policy'. If I have given you my decision and other members of staff agree with it then that is that. If you continue to pester it will become an annoyance.

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    • Do understand that admins are in fact human beings. You cannot expect someone to not react the way they have when someone is choosing to not truly listen to opposing reasoning. Either way, you just need to let it go and accept that the addition will not be accepted and added to the article.

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    • Piierogii wrote:

      Affectos wrote: I think I just fail to understand why something as simple as their name origins is something that is quickly removed.  It's not hurting anyone, it's not false (if Garr's research holds up), and could provide a small piece of insight if anything.  Is it worth dragging this out when the trivia isn't harming anyone?

      We have given the editors liberty to edit trivia freely in the past and it has resulted in many pointless points being added to articles. We have hence decided to crack down on the content put into these articles, and moderate them carefully.

      I did provide links and ask about rewording the information to better conform to wiki precedence.

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    • Piierogii wrote:

      Garr9988 wrote: And my question regarding Lars' first name and its proof hasn't been answered, which comes off as immensely rude and strange considering you're both wiki officials.

      http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/The_New_Lars/Transcript

      This episode was written by the crew, they consciously added this in as part of the scripting. The trivia point also states could meaning that it is not confirmed, but we are speaking from a hypothetical point of view. The name 'Laramie' translated bears a direct link to Lars a character. If you can successfully prove that his parent's names hold a similar significant link to his character, the edit will be re-reviewed.

      Apologies, I meant to reply with a quote to THIS message.

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    • Garr9988 wrote:
      From Bismuth's page:

      "When Bismuth was asking about other Crystal Gems, she lists a few, one of which is named "Crazy Lace". This might be a reference to the character Aduba plays in the show above. At the same time, Crazy Lace is also a variety of agate."

      From Garnet's page:

      "Garnet may be based on the Hindu deity, Ardhanarishvara:

      • Like the deity, Garnet is first depicted, chronologically as half-blue and half-red. They also share the third eye, which is located at the same place: the center of the forehead.
      • The feminine half is to the left while the right is masculine, this is shown through the locations of Ruby and Sapphire's gemstones.
      • Like Garnet, Ardhanarishvara was made through the love of two beings (Shiva & Parvati). They were so in love that they never wanted to be two separate beings ever again.
      • They are also depicted as the union between opposites. In Garnet's case, she balances Ruby's active and fiery behavior with Sapphire's cold and passive attitude."

      Forgive me if I'm wrong, but none of this information was "confirmed" by the Crew, a VA, or anyone really - it's just as much "speculation" as the name information of Lars and his parents.

      I would also like to know if any of this kind of information will be getting removed like that of Martha and Dante's name significance, because they seem pretty equally "speculatory" to me.

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