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  • That would have been cool!

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    • Maybe.. She's gone, for real?

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    • Internetwork wrote:
      Maybe.. She's gone, for real?

      How? Its her gemstone!

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    • she became part of steven

      she regenerated as steven


      she is steven, but also ISNT steven

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    • Phoebe Fennekin wrote:
      she became part of steven

      she regenerated as steven


      she is steven, but also ISNT steven

      But what about her memories?

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    • Yeah, especially since Pink/Rose was stated to be in a limbo-like state and not actually "dead".

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    • Yeah, the gemstone is literally half of Steven now. That's why he could see from both parts.

      Or maybe the gemstone itself decided to stop being Pink forever, characterized by when he/it screams "Pink's gooone!"

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    • It’s because Steven is Steven not pink or rose.

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    • The simple answer is that Pink Diamond is Steven now. The old Pink doesn't exist anymore. She's just a part of him now.

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    • I feel like this was Pink's plan all along. She sacrificed herself.

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    • So, she's gone until the day Steven dies?

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    • Probobly even after that, I'd say.

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    • Think of it like avatar the last air bender where one avatar dies it doesn't mean the whole person dies the spirit of the old avatar still exist within the current and the memories of the past avatar can still be used if under the right events like going to a place the past avatars been or meet a person they knew in their past lives.

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    • The significance of Pink Steven is suppose to be the final nail on the coffin: Pink Diamond is gone, and the gem is Steven's and only his; there is nothing left of Pink Diamond but her memories and legacy.

      Think of it like the gem is Pink Diamond's DNA. DNA is passed down to the offspring, which becomes the offspring's DNA. From Pink Diamond was her gem, which has been passed down and integrated into Steven's being. This gem has become part of Steven and no one else, just like how a mother's DNA is now part of her child and not neccessarily vice versa.

      If you want to extend it further, Pink Steven contains all of Steven's latent gem powers, but lacks any semblence of emotion (or humanity) unless it is reunited with Human Steven, who has all of Steven's humanity but severly lacks all of his gem powers. Once the two halves reunite, together they become whole as the Steven we all know. If you REALLY want to go in deeper, you can make parallels to getting shattered; parts of the gem are scattered but need to be reunited to become whole again. This is also why Steven's reunion with his gem is treated like a fusion; they want to become whole again and cry tears of joy once they reunite. It's also a representation that Steven loves himself and is glad to see that he isn't anyone else but himself deep down.

      This is no longer Pink Diamond's gem; it's Steven's gem.

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    • Agreed. Steven is Steven. Two halves of one whole. Half human, half gem, all Steven

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    • On top of that, Steven's gem can be considered a vital organ. When seperated, the human part of Steven looked like he was ready to die if he were to stay seperated.

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    • We did see her. So I do think she choice not to come back. That since this is her gemstone she also wanted to save her son. We knoe she is still in the Gem but decieded to let Steven be Steven.

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    • This is the very question I'm asking myself now. I have always wondered why are the Gems biocompatible, he has the ability to use the Gem and on top of that he can fuse with any human or Gem he chooses; irrelevant of whether or not the Gem is "him" or not.

      One of my theories for this show has been that the Gem Homeworld was at one point populated by organic life, but they either went through the singularity or the Terminator scenario, but since Gems are biocompatible to me it says more that Gems are the result of the singularity, but it doesn't really explain the hierarchical society that Gemkind has/had. This also means that Gems are some sort of computer and hence reprogrammable, in someways similar to what White Diamond did to the other Gems and possible the most likely answer as to what happened to Pink Diamond's Gem when she "gave birth" to Steven.

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    • Angelgreat wrote:
      Internetwork wrote:
      Maybe.. She's gone, for real?
      How? Its her gemstone!

      Maybe it's similar to overriding a save file in a videogame?

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    • Gems are like hyper advanced computers, it's possible that Pink for a change did realize that Steven would be having problems trying to figure out who he is so she manipulated her own data so that he could have her memories and emotions but simply deleted herself so that her Gemstone would always return to Steven if it got removed.

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    • sorry, she dead

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    • Saying that Gems are like computers apropos of nothing is kind of a stretch though, I think. This seems more like one of those "just roll with it" moments. You also have to consider the fact that gems are just "MAGIC!" so there's a strong chance there just isn't a logical reason why birthing an organic creature would wipe the slate clean, kind of like how there's no logical reason Steven could fuse with a human.

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    • You know, I half-expected there'd be a gaping hole where the gemstone used to be when it got pulled out.

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    • X-OvrLuvr wrote: You know, I half-expected there'd be a gaping hole where the gemstone used to be when it got pulled out.

      Well, it’s a kids show, so yeah. Although I agree that that is a bit odd.

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    • Pink diamond/Rose Quartz didn't reform because she is dead. There are various points across the series, but especially this episode that makes it clear this is the case.

      The biggest answer lies when stevens gem reformed. Instead of reforming into Pink Diamond/rose quartz, it formed into steven. And the gem was an emotionless husk, which only acted to return to Steven's core body, as it knew Steven was dying. When grilled about where pink diamond was; it literally booms "SHE'S GONE", which means what it means.

      So, it would be evident that Pink Diamond's conciousness no longer exists in stevens gem. Rose Quartz DID say that "The two of us can't both exist" in the episode 'lion straight to video'. In my opinion, it looks like when she brought steven into being his conciousness overwrote hers and she just ceased to be.

      A spiritual death.

      But not a physical one.

      Her body is was what 'Pink Steven' was. Her body still exists(after all, her gem is her body), but it's no longer driven by her own conciousness. It was just driven by steven's own surrvival instincts. This would also be why steven can see her memories; her body and her memories still exist- but her soul is gone.

      When Steven embraced Pink Steven, it bursts into emotion- I really believe thats because Steven was accepting the part of himself that he had been internally rejecting(her). He was deeply ashamed of what his gem represented, and at times, hated it. So that was why the gem had absolutely no emotions at all. But when he embraced it, the gem truly felt and became 'himself' for what had probably been the first time.

      White diamond pointed out that steven had been suspicious this entire time that he might not really be 'Steven' but Pink Diamond his whole life. But at the end of the episode; Steven reiterates with relief that he was 'himself the whole time', which means that he is now fully aware and accepts that his mother's conciousness is completely gone and was never there to begin with.

      She remains with him only in body, and the promise she made to him that every moment he loves being himself, that it is her and her love for him. And this episode seemingly revealed to us that she really only meant that promise in a metaphorical sense, not a literal one.

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    • Miyon0 wrote:
      Pink diamond/Rose Quartz didn't reform because she is dead. There are various points across the series, but especially this episode that makes it clear this is the case.

      The biggest answer lies when stevens gem reformed. Instead of reforming into Pink Diamond/rose quartz, it formed into steven. And the gem was an emotionless husk, which only acted to return to Steven's core body, as it knew Steven was dying. When grilled about where pink diamond was; it literally booms "SHE'S GONE", which means what it means.

      So, it would be evident that Pink Diamond's conciousness no longer exists in stevens gem. Rose Quartz DID say that "The two of us can't both exist" in the episode 'lion straight to video'. In my opinion, it looks like when she brought steven into being his conciousness overwrote hers and she just ceased to be.

      A spiritual death.

      But not a physical one.

      Her body is was what 'Pink Steven' was. Her body still exists(after all, her gem is her body), but it's no longer driven by her own conciousness. It was just driven by steven's own surrvival instincts. This would also be why steven can see her memories; her body and her memories still exist- but her soul is gone.

      When Steven embraced Pink Steven, it bursts into emotion- I really believe thats because Steven was accepting the part of himself that he had been internally rejecting(her). He was deeply ashamed of what his gem represented, and at times, hated it. So that was why the gem had absolutely no emotions at all. But when he embraced it, the gem truly felt and became 'himself' for what had probably been the first time.

      White diamond pointed out that steven had been suspicious this entire time that he might not really be 'Steven' but Pink Diamond his whole life. But at the end of the episode; Steven reiterates with relief that he was 'himself the whole time', which means that he is now fully aware and accepts that his mother's conciousness is completely gone and was never there to begin with.

      She remains with him in body, and the promise she made to him that every moment he loves being himself, that it is her and her love for him.

      Ok, but When Steven dies, will rose's/pink's soul return as Steven's ascends to heaven?

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    • Anonymous1229 wrote: Saying that Gems are like computers apropos of nothing is kind of a stretch though, I think. This seems more like one of those "just roll with it" moments. You also have to consider the fact that gems are just "MAGIC!" so there's a strong chance there just isn't a logical reason why birthing an organic creature would wipe the slate clean, kind of like how there's no logical reason Steven could fuse with a human.

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke

      You are talking about a show that has explained everything with some technobabble. I'm pretty sure they'll never truly answer what Gems "are", but I don't think they are purely mystical, there is some science is just so out there that they couldn't really explain it to be fully grounded in our reality.

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    • Angelgreat wrote:

      Ok, but When Steven dies, will rose's/pink's soul return as Steven's ascends to heaven?

      I'm pretty sure this episode difinitively stated that it's not going to happen already. The gem DID seperate from his entire body, away from his own conciousness. If she still existed in any capacity, she would have reformed then and there. But she didn't.

      All that was there was her body and the draw to return to it's other half.

      If steven were to die; I think the implication would be that either the gem would reform into Pink Steven again with no emotions or movement whatsoever(like a doll)- or the gem wouldn't reform at all. It would just be dead because there isn't anything in it. So it would be a regular gemstone.

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    • Miyon0 wrote:
      Angelgreat wrote:

      Ok, but When Steven dies, will rose's/pink's soul return as Steven's ascends to heaven?

      I'm pretty sure this episode difinitively stated that it's not going to happen already. The gem DID seperate from his entire body, away from his own conciousness. If she still existed in any capacity, she would have reformed then and there. But she didn't.

      All that was there was her body and the draw to return to it's other half.

      If steven were to die; I think the implication would be that either the gem would reform into Pink Steven again with no emotions or movement whatsoever(like a doll)- or the gem wouldn't reform at all. It would just be dead because there isn't anything in it. So it would be a regular gemstone.

      So, if Steven somehow died, the gemstone would be 'wiped' as neither Steven or rose's soul will be left. But didn't Rose/Pink copy her memories to her room before releasing her form? Steven could possibly copy his memories before he dies, that way if the gem is removed after his death, the Crystal Gems can enter Roses room and restore either Rose or Steven, and the memories would restore Rose, but also include her son's memories.

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    • Angelgreat wrote:

      So, if Steven somehow died, the gemstone would be 'wiped' as neither Steven or rose's soul will be left. But didn't Rose/Pink copy her memories to her room before releasing her form? Steven could possibly copy his memories before he dies, that way if the gem is removed after his death, the Crystal Gems can enter Roses room and restore either Rose or Steven, and the memories would restore Rose, but also include her son's memories.

      I don't know about her copying her memories to her room. Steven attempted to revive her himself with his projection of Rose Quartz in her room. She wasn't actually there, and it wasn't the same thing. She was just a really good copy based on things Steven already knew about her and heard about her from the others. He admitted that the copy of her he made wasn't real, and it was incapeable of saying no to him.

      And even if they could, I feel like the *REAL* rose and steven would still be dead. Bringing them back through their memories would essentially be playing pretend with dead people. Especially when they would learn their memories were planted, they would definitely reject that they were the same person as the deceased.

      So I don't think so. If steven dies, they would just be dead. And I suppose either his gem would become an heirloom, or it would be sold for a very large fortune since it's the biggest cut Pink Diamond that ever existed. Or it could be donated to a museum to immortalize them both.

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    • Oh, ok. I do know that Steven can manipulate his age to whatever he wants, so he can live forever if he stays young.

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    • Yeah, and it's true that many memories are stored in the gemstone, but I doubt it has a mind of its own now, really.

      I imagine that is Steven died, the gemstone would be able to serve as a storehouse for all of Pink's memories, and people might be able to play them at will, but it would never reform.

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    • I guess it depends on how you interpret the scene, some might say Pink erased herself to save Steven, others might say it was Pink rejecting her old life in exchange for her son's survival. Honestly I think Pink erased the living part of herself during the shuffling process, just leaving memories, power, and Steven's data so that the Gemstone would be magnetically attracted to Steven with human Steven being the part with all emotion and empathy but no strength and Gem Steven being the part with all power but no emotion or empathy.

      All in all, no matter the interpretation, Pink still chose to reject coming back and the two halves were still magnetically connected.

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    • Whats interesting to note; is that Pink Diamond is the first and only gem known to actually die.

      Even when a gem is shattered, their conciousness is still spread across all the shards- so they can in theory be put back together, healed and be fine. But Pink Diamond is likely the first gem to actually be dead since she was stated to be completely gone.

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    • Her memories are still there. Why else would Steven be able to connect her memories? Maybe not physically but in some way.

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    • My take is that it is because, like how Pink would choose her default form to be Rose Quartz after being poofed, she reformed permanently as half of Steven after she gave birth to him. She said so herself in the video and that they cannot both exist (as separate individuals). It is not like she is no longer alive, and may still be somewhat conscious, as she said that whenever Steven loved being himself that would be her "loving [him] and... being [him]". So the Pink Steven that formed after White Diamond removed his gem was probably her wanting to reunite with her other half and make her son whole again.

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    • I agree. I hope that in someway Pink can tell Steven in person. But in a way she did with not picking to come back. She could have.

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    • Miyon0 wrote:

      If steven were to die; I think the implication would be that either the gem would reform into Pink Steven again with no emotions or movement whatsoever(like a doll)- or the gem wouldn't reform at all. It would just be dead because there isn't anything in it. So it would be a regular gemstone.

      I personally believe that Pink Steven would reform if Steven's organic body died, and could then continue to exist and develop it's own seperate identity.

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    • It's a metaphor for being trans. Pink chose to be Rose, and Rose chose to be Steven. There is no Pink. There is no Rose. There is Steven. Everything before that is his deadname. She's gone. And now he's who he chooses to be.

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    • He still has memories. Since we did see pink and rose. I do feel pink will still be there. Steven is steven.

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote:
      I agree. I hope that in someway Pink can tell Steven in person. But in a way she did with not picking to come back. She could have.

      I had this theory that perhaps someday Steven could learn to project an holographic projection of Rose/Pink through his gem and he could talk to her.

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    • I was hoping the same thing!

      Though I was also hoping that he really was talking to his mom in "Storm in the Room" and that room, since it is activated and possibly controlled by her gem she would be able to project herself in there when Steven asked.

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    • basically garnet was right in the beginning. they are a fusion. but pearl was also right i guess? saying that pink was encased in a human? amethyst probably was off unless you count pink shapeshifting as she reformed into pink steven

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    • I wonder with Pink deciding to reform as a quartz her fusions are quartzes. However, what would change if Steven got to get a diamond form?

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote: I wonder with Pink deciding to reform as a quartz her fusions are quartzes. However, what would change if Steven got to get a diamond form?

      Ever since we found out the Rose and Pink are one and the same it felt really odd that all their fusions were some kind of quartz.

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    • I think it's because she is a Diamond. She is more powerful that so she can fusion and have her fusions be a quartz

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote: I think it's because she is a Diamond. She is more powerful that so she can fusion and have her fusions be a quartz

      So in your theory Steven could fuse with Pearl and become some other type of Gem if he believe himself to be a 'diamond'? Not sure how, but then again we haven't seen Pearl fuse with Pink before she became Rose.

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    • It's as Rose said in Lion the movie straight to video.  She became half of Steven, and continued to be that half even with the gem removed.

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    • Jey8000 wrote:

      DianaofParadiseIsland wrote: I think it's because she is a Diamond. She is more powerful that so she can fusion and have her fusions be a quartz

      So in your theory Steven could fuse with Pearl and become some other type of Gem if he believe himself to be a 'diamond'? Not sure how, but then again we haven't seen Pearl fuse with Pink before she became Rose.

      No. That since Pink reformed as Rose Quartz all jer fusions become that.  I don't think her and pink fusioned

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote: No. That since Pink reformed as Rose Quartz all jer fusions become that.  I don't think her and pink fusioned

      I mean if Rose was willing once, I'm sure Pink would be as well. However, since I think Garnet was probably the first time Pink/Rose saw two different types of Gems fuse I don't think Pink ever fused before that point and I believe that was Pink decided to fully become Rose Quartz instead of just morphing to look like one.

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    • Here's some food for all y'all. Joe Johnston has answered some questions pertaining to that scene.


      When asked "There's just this theory going around that the interaction Steven had with Pink Steven is connected with the message that Rose left on the VHS tape, where Rose said that she'd become half of him and that every time he'd love himself it'd be her, loving being a part of him. So a lot of people theorize that Pink Steven was the one chance that Rose/Pink got to see Steven with her own eyes, (in my opinion before letting herself go and just let Steven be himself)"

      Joe: What Rose was saying to Steven in the vhs was a metaphor. Not meant to be interpreted literally. The confusion around this line has lead to a bunch of theories revolving around Lion being part of pink diamond and I’m here to say today that all those theories are debunked. Rose/Pink knew she would disappear and she was explaining to Steven that she would always be a part of him, in his heart, and that he should know how much she already loved him.


      When asked "Is Pink Steven actually Rose/PD?"

      Joe: Pink Steven is Steven’s gem half. As pink Steven says so loudly in the episode, pink diamond/rose is gone.


      When asked "If gems can't fuse with humans how did Steven's gem fuse back with him?"

      Joe: Think of the split Stevens like they’re two halves of a whole. The two Stevens are each only half of a being, they can’t not fuse back into a full Steven. If you kept them apart they would only ever be focused on becoming whole again, seeking their other half. A little like two magnets that get close to one another and then snap together.


      When asked "Anonymous asked: So Rose/PD is gone for good, even if Steven does die for real Rose/PD will never come back?"

      Joe: Correct


      tl;dr Rose/Pink is straight up gone.

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    • Iudexkoo wrote:
      Here's some food for all y'all. Joe Johnston has answered some questions pertaining to that scene.

      When asked "There's just this theory going around that the interaction Steven had with Pink Steven is connected with the message that Rose left on the VHS tape, where Rose said that she'd become half of him and that every time he'd love himself it'd be her, loving being a part of him. So a lot of people theorize that Pink Steven was the one chance that Rose/Pink got to see Steven with her own eyes, (in my opinion before letting herself go and just let Steven be himself)"

      Joe: What Rose was saying to Steven in the vhs was a metaphor. Not meant to be interpreted literally. The confusion around this line has lead to a bunch of theories revolving around Lion being part of pink diamond and I’m here to say today that all those theories are debunked. Rose/Pink knew she would disappear and she was explaining to Steven that she would always be a part of him, in his heart, and that he should know how much she already loved him.


      When asked "Is Pink Steven actually Rose/PD?"

      Joe: Pink Steven is Steven’s gem half. As pink Steven says so loudly in the episode, pink diamond/rose is gone.


      When asked "If gems can't fuse with humans how did Steven's gem fuse back with him?"

      Joe: Think of the split Stevens like they’re two halves of a whole. The two Stevens are each only half of a being, they can’t not fuse back into a full Steven. If you kept them apart they would only ever be focused on becoming whole again, seeking their other half. A little like two magnets that get close to one another and then snap together.


      When asked "Anonymous asked: So Rose/PD is gone for good, even if Steven does die for real Rose/PD will never come back?"

      Joe: Correct


      tl;dr Rose/Pink is straight up gone.

      RIP Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz.

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    • BUt her data still lives on in Steven. There would be no reason for him to keep her memories.PD/Rose Quartz  RIP.

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    • I'm actually really happy about this. Now no one will keep bringing up thoughts about pulling out Steven's gem again, since we already know that Pink will never come back.

      This is good for the plot, too, since Steven will presumably die eventually and it would be stupid for Pink to just reform and go back to the way things were before.

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    • Maybe she did come back, but used telepathy stuff to manipulate everyone into think she was gone for good.

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    • PD is part of Steven he has her stone. Her memories are also in the gem. So she is gone but a part of her will always live in Steven

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    • Lilystormcrow wrote:
      It's a metaphor for being trans. Pink chose to be Rose, and Rose chose to be Steven. There is no Pink. There is no Rose. There is Steven. Everything before that is his deadname. She's gone. And now he's who he chooses to be.

      I have to disagree personally. It seems more of a metaphor for self worth, self love, and stepping out of a family members shadow, seeing as 1. steven is roses son biologically he is half of her (honestly the pink diamond become rose quartz is more of a metaphor for being trans) and it this is a very imporant part of his character because he constantly compared to rose as a younger family member is compared to someone who as passed, and is trying to get out of her shadow and 2. the whole point is that steven is his own person nothing like his mother as he is everything his mother aspired to be where she failed, he was nautrally like that due to his human half and being raised by greg. 



      Also I don't want you to think that i am hating cause honestly different inturpatations are great, but this is my personal thoughts on it

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    • Lilystormcrow wrote: It's a metaphor for being trans. Pink chose to be Rose, and Rose chose to be Steven. There is no Pink. There is no Rose. There is Steven. Everything before that is his deadname. She's gone. And now he's who he chooses to be.

      Different interpretations are just that. This is an interesting take on the scene, personally to me it seems the ambiguity of what and who the Pink Steven actually is was intentional to leave it up to the audience to draw their own conclusions and interpretations. It can be taken as a metaphor for self love, self worth, and self acceptance. It can also be inferred as a form of changing who you are and leaving your old self behind, yet still being accepting of who you were and who you have chosen to be. Overall I think the way they have conducted this conclusion to the "where is Pink, when will Rose return, will Pink return at all" questions was very effective, and until further information is give on it, apart from the fact that the Pink Steven is not Rose or Pink, then its up to the audiences to find their own comfort and solace in what happened.

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    • ... I'm not super clear on why it is you both are singling out my response to say these things.

      Especially as neither of them are in fact contradicting what I was saying, aside from the fact that you don't think being trans occurred to the writing staff. 

      Changing who you are, leaving your old self behind, accepting who you were and accepting who you choose to be are integral to the trans experience, guys. Not to mention that whole ending song? About "I want you to know you could know me if you change your mind"? And the entire concept that if White digs deep enough, Pink has to Still Be In There, Being What She's Supposed To Be? That's not an uncommon theme in the lives of trans people.

      It's a little hard to accept that this isn't about "hating" when your only problem with my interpretation is the word "trans" in it.

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    • Lilystormcrow wrote: ... I'm not super clear on why it is you both are singling out my response to say these things.

      Especially as neither of them are in fact contradicting what I was saying, aside from the fact that you don't think being trans occurred to the writing staff. 

      Changing who you are, leaving your old self behind, accepting who you were and accepting who you choose to be are integral to the trans experience, guys. Not to mention that whole ending song? About "I want you to know you could know me if you change your mind"? And the entire concept that if White digs deep enough, Pink has to Still Be In There, Being What She's Supposed To Be? That's not an uncommon theme in the lives of trans people.

      It's a little hard to accept that this isn't about "hating" when your only problem with my interpretation is the word "trans" in it.

      Can we get back to the actual discussion before this argument escalates further?

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    • I wasn't disagreeing, I was using your reply as support for my point.

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    • she's gone, like pink steven said

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    • I would, personally, have a listen to what Rose said in the tape she left him. i always think that it expalins it pretty well.

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    • I wonder how did white figure out he was half human? What if she just became a part of pink Steven? She is gone but some of her is still here. She isn’t a separated thing anymore but a fusion in a sense. She is gone completely becoming something new

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote: I wonder how did white figure out he was half human? What if she just became a part of pink Steven? She is gone but some of her is still here. She isn’t a separated thing anymore but a fusion in a sense. She is gone completely becoming something new

      Actually, how did white figure out that Steven is half human. Does she have some kind of future vision to? Or did she constantly keep an eye on pink with a secret source or something. How did she know?

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    • Nathaniel.swindell wrote:

      DianaofParadiseIsland wrote: I wonder how did white figure out he was half human? What if she just became a part of pink Steven? She is gone but some of her is still here. She isn’t a separated thing anymore but a fusion in a sense. She is gone completely becoming something new

      Actually, how did white figure out that Steven is half human. Does she have some kind of future vision to? Or did she constantly keep an eye on pink with a secret source or something. How did she

      know?

      He fused with a human(connie).

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    • Angelgreat wrote: He fused with a human(connie).

      I don't think that's it, W. Diamond understood Steven to be a human child and the Diamonds in general didn't seem to care much if at all about organic life even if Pink had a zoo that any of the diamonds could visit at any time to conduct research on humanity, but I doubt any of them really did. I'm sure the staff of the zoo are the only ones that have any idea what humans are in the Gem Empire.

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    • Piierogii wrote:
      I wasn't disagreeing, I was using your reply as support for my point.

      Apologies! I don't see how I misread it that badly. Totally on me!

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    • Lilystormcrow wrote:

      Piierogii wrote:
      I wasn't disagreeing, I was using your reply as support for my point.

      Apologies! I don't see how I misread it that badly. Totally on me!

      Its all good dw dw

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    • She's gone. That's why she didn't come back. Steven's gem even stated "SHE'S... GONE!!" to White Diamond.

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    • I get that Pink's coding was probably wiped (other than her powers and memories) so that Steven can be his own person, but does that mean that she has ceased to exist altogether? Her soul/spirit/any form of consciousness is gone? That is probably what confuses me the most; I'd like to think that maybe she is still in there somewhere, somehow, but just that she let the Steven coding dominate so that he could be himself? So mindpounding...

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    • Whether or not a part of her consciousness is still in the Gem, she's never coming back.

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    • MissFitt wrote: I get that Pink's coding was probably wiped (other than her powers and memories) so that Steven can be his own person, but does that mean that she has ceased to exist altogether? Her soul/spirit/any form of consciousness is gone? That is probably what confuses me the most; I'd like to think that maybe she is still in there somewhere, somehow, but just that she let the Steven coding dominate so that he could be himself? So mindpounding...

      Even if P. Diamond is in there somewhere, I very much doubt she is ever coming back so it could be argued that P. Steven was her keeping her promise that she'll be part of her son and that she and he can't both exist at the same time. Frankly if Gems are some sort of machine or whatever I think to make sure she can keep that promise, Pink/Rose more than likely erased their data in order to not be tempted into coming back once Steven was born. In computer terms she didn't delete the operating system (which is probably the reason Steven can use her powers), but she did delete her profile, but I guess she made sure to backed up her memories? Conjecture I know.

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    • That's a really nice analogy!

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    • The computer analogy makes sense. Pink wouldn't want to come back however she would want to leave something to help guide Steven if he needed her experience. Either that or White somehow activated the memories within him? I mean she did know that Steven was experiencing these memories and somehow knew what a child was

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    • Steven Bomb 17 wrote: The computer analogy makes sense. Pink wouldn't want to come back however she would want to leave something to help guide Steven if he needed her experience. Either that or White somehow activated the memories within him? I mean she did know that Steven was experiencing these memories and somehow knew what a child was

      Man, that was so creepy when she said that! But, yes how did she know about that? Was it probably using that weird mind dimension that Steven accessed during the fight with Y. and B. Diamond?

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    • It's possible that Pink has shown her humans to White in the past, so she has some experience with children.

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    • I think it's supposed to be symbolic of Steven being completely done with trying to be like his mother, and to just be him instead.

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    • Solstice the Icewing wrote: It's possible that Pink has shown her humans to White in the past, so she has some experience with children.

      Like I have said before I don't think the Diamonds (hence the Gems in general) are interested in organic life and so they wouldn't be so interested in humans, the Human Zoo not withstanding.

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    • I do think Pink data is still somewhere in Steven. So what could happen. Maybe we get to see Pink born or rather created. I mean could Steven be able to use his dreams to get to his mom?

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    • DianaofParadiseIsland wrote: I do think Pink data is still somewhere in Steven. So what could happen. Maybe we get to see Pink born or rather created. I mean could Steven be able to use his dreams to get to his mom?

      That could be a possibility if he were to learn how to use that power better. However, who knows!

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    • You mean like how you delete the browser history but can still find the data on the hard drive?

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    • MissFitt wrote:
      You mean like how you delete the browser history but can still find the data on the hard drive?

      Yes. There are some things that will be left behind. I mean despite deleting a text you can with a bit of work find the text messages,

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    • So do you think that any form of Pink's consciousness is present, only that she is no longer in control? I'd like to think, as do a number of other users here, that Steven would somehow learn how to project her from his gemstone like Pearl can (unless that is limited to her).

      Alternatively, as I suggested before, that he really was talking to his mother in "Storm in the Room" and that she was initially acting the way he wanted to see her (or the way she wanted him to see her) before he confronted her about her past. And since that room is controlled by his gem, it is the only place that he can bring her out. What really sticks out to me is how the way the clouds in that room got togeher with a light that formed her while everything else (like the video games or the fake Peridot) just poofed in out of nowhere. Everything in that room is like a dream, and just because something is a dream it doesn't mean it is not real. And when Steven pulled out his phone and saw that there was nothing in the camera, it reminded him that she couldn't be with him in the real world.

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    • I think in some ways due to him going into her memories that;s her consciousness. That in a way she is warning him or showing him both her immature behavior. Why he needs to be carefully around the Diamonds. When it comes to Homeworld dreams since it seems that White Diamond was the one to look into steven's dreams I do think Pink's consciousness was also there. Now in terms of Pink Steven Pink is gone but some parts of her exist in different ways.

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